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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shutdown/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>AlphaBay
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market #
>Cloud Market #
>Dark Matter #
>Darkmoon #
>FilthyFellas
>Mellow Market #
>Retro Market #
Onion links: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/fs7ax


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Kilos
>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8cunb


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


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>XMR Poker
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>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

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>The irrational exuberance of cryptocurrency investors

Irrational exuberance is characterized as a hype-fueled mania that causes investors to massively overestimate an asset's real-world value. In this delusional state, investors tend to become so smitten with expectations of greater profits that they disregard the assets’ potentially weak fundamentals and drink the proverbial Kool-Aid.

This then leads to them recklessly and repeatedly buying into whatever asset is currently rising in the charts, thereby triggering and/or sustaining an asset bubble. This bubble is kept inflated solely by the mass delusion that the market price is justified and will only keep going up in future, effectively becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Note that bubbles can last for years, especially in an age of easy investor on-boarding. However, when history inevitably repeats and the bubble bursts that optimism invariably turns into panic as the asset crashes back down to its real-world value.

In finance, the "greater fool theory" suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.

In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

This effect is often further exacerbated by herd mentality, whereby people hear stories of others who bought in early and made big profits, causing those who did not buy to feel a fear of missing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

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peach skin velvet, 2wt, tribute silk or short plush?
50cm by 160?

If monero would have the same quantity of transactions that visa has rn, how much would the blockchain grow every month? Is it even posible to scalate to such levels of adoption?

>>53071366
Off the top of my head each transaction is around 2kb and Visa averages 1800 TPS which adds up to about 8TB per month.

What happened to Haveno?

>>53071580
their algoritmic stablecoin got cheated/exploited 3 times but they aren't giving up on the idea and want to try again. the entire project actually sucks at this point. only idiots make the same mistake twice. haveno is making it 4 times. also the have a mining component and then to make their algo stablecoin bullshit work there is a minting and burning process too. its just a clusterfuck and will get cheated/exploited again. also the entire vault is centralized. they just don't get that you can't create an unexploitable algo stable coin

>>53071591
Wait what? I thought it was a bisq fork? Why is there an algorithmic stablecoin at all?

>>53071591
Vik from Cake Wallet took the spot of project leader from ErCiccione(who is an sjw), so maybe the project won't be quite so incompetently managed in the future.

>>53071633
It is as far as I know. Since the beginning the idea was to make it bisq with monero as the main coin, all the fees etc. all in xmr.
I think he >>53071591 is talking about xhaven. All stable coins are retarded scam anyway.

>>53071511
Holy shit! We are still very far away from achieving the tech to abandon fiat currencygasnpy

>>53071633
because they are fucking retarded that's why.

>>53071810
We really aren't. This is the metric Monero is worst at relative to other crypto.

I want to debtmax to get 50 monero

I feel like we won't stay at 150 for much longer, not even 3 months in my opinion

what's the best option for a poorfag to debtmax if I won't have steady income until march, is there a way to delay loan repayment or not have to pay it back for like 12 months or something

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>>53071870
I know about Nielsen's Law and Moore's law to not be too worried about bandwidth and processing power, but what about actual storage? Is there any kind of guiding rule for whether monero's growth rate will outpace the growth in harddrive size/cost effectiveness?

>>53071914
I don't know id your a troll or some low tier bate, but those are some baeic bich question. Any phone with a ssd card can hold the monero + btc blockchain at the same time. What if the whole world started using monero today ? What if your gay and there is no point to life for you any more? If monero grows in adoption over night, that so will there be incentives to for further exponnetial development, plus tech keeps getting better and cheeper

MONEROMARKET.IO

>>53071914
>>53072095

A more nuanced response would be something like
>Drives keep getting larger for cheaper, we're betting faster than the chain grows
>incremental upgrades lower the size of transactions
>Monero does not need to ape the global financial system and handle hundreds to thousands of TPS for little to no fees/space to be a resoundingly successful network/technology.

Armor is heavy because of its function.

>>53071738
>>53071591

Nah, thank god the haven devs keep grinding. If it works (anonymous algo stable), it’s literally gold. They shouldn’t give up lol. Good things take time to blossom.

The new VBS-system that will be implemented with the 9th of Jan hard fork, should mitigate a LUNA-like death spiral. The mechanics are actually quite interesting.

The only option to have some kind of financial freedom after the CBDCs are XMR and XHV at this point

>>53073119
>If it works (anonymous algo stable)
This can't ever work but whatever, keep supporting stupid ideas.

>>53073943
Care to elaborate why this would never work faggot? Have you read about the VBS system?

>>53073943
> “By 2005, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s”

imagine being almost as retarded as this nigger

(Pic somewhat unrelated)

>>53074125
>algostable
stable against what? Used by who? Why is this better than the alternatives?

It's redundant at best.

>>53074125
>Care to elaborate why this would never work
Every other one ever has failed. You are adding an additional layer of complexity in the form of privacy.

>>53074423
Stable, just like our ever depreciating fiat currencies (xUSD, xEUR but also xGold).

XMR is a godsend, but the fact that it’s volatile against the currencies that people use most in their daily lives, is somewhat of a problem.

Imagine (darknet) markets being able to use anonymous stables, no more volatility risks for merchants and buyers.

It’s better than the alternatives (USDT/USDC), because freeze funds and are 100% transparent. If you cannot comprehend just necc

>>53074611
I don't think you understand why most of us are here.

>>53074630
You don’t understand kek.

The native XHV token is used to mint the stables, so the more demand for stables = XHV number go up

>>53074656
So make an XHV thread. This is /XMR/.

>>53074656
You are the worst shill I have ever seen in my fucking life. They're just hiring anyone with enough fingers to work a keyboard now, huh?

>>53074656
XHV complete model of algoritmic private stable coins minted/burned from originally mined assets is fucking retarded. and they already failed 3 times. it would be better if they just removed the whole stable private algoritmic idea. its fucking stupid.

>>53074704
Lmao I was just explaining the mechanics to you, you weakly gifted cuck

>>53074656
>so the more demand for stables = XHV number go up
scam bullshit that will get exploited eventually

>>53074742
Imagine how many tries it took before a functioning wheel was invented.

You’d still be eating mud in your fucking cave if your ancestors stopped trying

>>53074757
You sound like your father talking about Bitcoin boomerfag

>>53074746
yeah but that's not even what we were talking about, was it?

I said it's redundant and instead of explaining why it's not redundant, you launched into telling me about how it works. Nobody here cares, it's mud to us. Go make a haven thread and stop trying to ride moneros coattails.

>>53074843
It’s not redundant but comprehensive reading might not be your strong point. Blame the lead in the pipes…

>>53074843
>try one more time faggot and read this
>>53074611

>>53074914
no, I don't think I will.

What’s preventing the CIA or whomever to just capture and jail all the XMR developers if they wanted to?

>>53074920
Good for you. Have fun with your bag of linkies

>>53074923
I use a VPN.

>>53074923
Been through this one already.
>you would effectively martyr every doxed dev a-la snowden/Assange
>you would draw tons of attention to monero
>there are anonymous devs who don't even directly submit code
>their positions would be filled in hours, days at most.

Remember, glow agencies might have lots of funding, but they're not omnipotent. They're still staffed by human beings.

>>53074923
At come point they have to convert into fiat currencies if they want to buy anything. This is where the tax man will catch them.

>>53074814
yeah uh. they rolled a stone down a hill and saw that the concept worked. then they improved it until a wheel came out. with private stable algos its the complete oposite, they rolled out an algo it failed miserably, adjusted it, failed again, many people saw the entire concept is flawed but they keep trying to build it. because they are fucking retarded.

>>53074814
this is the dumbest post on all of 4chan. there is almost nothing easier than to come up with the wheel. its just plain obvious that the best solution is a disk where all points are equaly distanced from the center. it probably literally took two tries. the first one rolling a stone down the hill. and then the first and last improvement of grinding that stone to a circle.
literally btfo my board

Monerotopia 2023

Yes or no?

Crab coin for midwits

>>53075220
>Have someone with more than a pea-sized brain read this to you:

Imagine a person trying to climb a mountain. The path to the top is never straight, and there will always be obstacles and challenges along the way. Some people may turn back at the first sign of difficulty, while others may be deterred by setbacks or failures further up the mountain. However, the most successful climbers are those who persevere and keep moving forward, even when they face obstacles or setbacks. They understand that the path to the top is never easy, and that failures and setbacks are just part of the journey. In the same way, the path to success in innovation and invention is often winding and full of challenges, but those who are able to persevere and learn from their failures are more likely to eventually reach their goals.

>>53074991
>what is Cake Pay
monumental newfag detected, keep up
>At come point
oh, I misread - drink up and enjoy.

>>53076021
do you think some girls have retard genes and it's possible to avoid breeding with them

I've never seen sam hyde mention monero, should we clue him in, or is it possible he already knows and has a huge stack

it would be a shame if he was forced into a self defense situation and couldn't obtain a darknet firearm to do what he has to do

he said he had all his net worth in bitcoin from a recent podcast

>>53075966
all algoritmic stable coins in the entire market failed. XHV failed 3 times but they went again at it. the entire concept of algoritmic stable coins based on outside chain currencies is flawed. but still they think it is a smart idea to build it into their coin. if they just kept a minable privae coin. that would be awesome. but no they had to add fucking burn and mint and stable b.s algoritms. the whole xAssets vault is centralized too. they can stop and start it. they can shut it down and restart it. its afucking scam and the devs are tards

>>53076979
Sam Hyde, like a delicate ecosystem, would be best assisted by people like us staying the fuck away

>>53077013
we're his severe beast army

>>53076979
I'm sure he knows about monero, but I think he sees bitcoin more as an investment vehicle than "peer-to-peer cash". So for maxis like him, if you're ONLY in this game to get rich or protect your wealth (and you don't mind waiting until the end of the decade), going all in on bitcoin is the safest option in the most chaotic volatile market that could 10x or 100x your investment. Obviously monero has proven to be a reliable asset in this bear market, but if we're talking moonshot potential I really don't think that monero will ever surpass bitcoin in market cap. Monero may be worth $17,000 one day but by then bitcoin will be worth over $1 million.

>>53076979
I'm sure he's familiar with Monero and knows he doesn't really stand to benefit from it currently. Would probably have the opinion that "if it won't make me money right now I'm not interested, and if I ever need it I will buy it"

>>53077402
>>53077385
I believe these analysis are incorrect, I unironically believe monero will overtake bitcoin and will be 1000 dollars by 2024

>>53077567
>I unironically believe monero will overtake bitcoin
In 10 years? Sure. In 2024? The fuck are you smoking?
>1000 dollars by 2024
500 maybe, 1k is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

I just want functional haveno and seraphis. Once those things are solved, we can start finally checking out L2 solutions for when it's needed.

Anything that isn't PoW is a scam.
Anything that isn't ASIC resistant is a scam.

>>53077567
>pricefagging
i'm not making an analysis you faggot

join us for some relaxing xmr poker. we wil be playing texas hold em. buy in is .1 xmr, gets you 1000 chips. no account needed. pokerclub is the number one darkweb gambling site.

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we meet for regular games weekend nights around 6pm. there used to be more pokerclub users but the lack of darkweb forums lately has made it hard to organize. I hope some of you will try it

>first big leg down
>bitcoin trash below monero
>2023 draws near
>linkie stinkie is dropping like a rock and getting closer to dropping below monero
>avax shills went on overtime and still sinking like bomb
>FTX is dead along with solana
>litecoin looking like weakcoin long dead shitcoin
>crapdano less important by the day and charles bitckinson is exit dumping
>literally gaining sats every leg down

2023 is year of XMR

>>53074939
Kek.

>>53077385

Yeah? And what exactly makes BTC worth $1 million.

>>53081363
>And what exactly makes BTC worth $1 million
People used to wonder what made bitcoin worth $1. Yet here we are.

>>53081511
Darknet markets were that thing but now monero has taken that

>>53080210
I mean, it seems pretty obvious right, how do we not steam roll everything and end up on top

Bitshits can't stay deluded forever

it's going to make my day when we surpass chainlink, what a stupid coin to invest in

I have a question, if I sign up for a 0 apr credit card

and I put like 500 bucks into monero every month

can I literally just choose not to make any payments on this until the last day that the apr bonus is up

and then pay it all at once and it will be the exact amount I used to buy monero with

hmmmmmmmmmm

If Monero becomes popular, will still be possible for the average joe to buy things with it?

>>53082972

Yes, that's the entire point of building a circular economy.

>>53082994
I don’t know if I can trust you, the Monero sticker in your picture looks photoshopped.

what kind of credit do you need for a 0 apr card

I always thought credit was stupid in general but the opportunity is too great imo

>>53083037
He's our Guy

>>53074923
I use incognito mode

>>53085210
I kneel

>>53085210
Are you the hacker known as 4chan?

>>53070955
What are you guys doing for new year?

What I do is pretend to "go out", dress up nicely and leave the house and then literally just aimlessly walk around the town for about 5-6 hours and then go home pretending as if I was out there drinking//having fun or whatever with my "friends". All that just so my parents don't feel sad for me.

It's literally how I spent the last 6 New Years Eves straight

>>53086593
Chilling at my house.

It may be better for your mental health, personal development, and self-esteem to stop living with your parents. Doing things out of your comfort zone and habits is the foundation for personal growth IMO.

>>53086593
Pretty pathetic anon.
Grow some balls, say you have nothing to do and play vidya or some thing.
I watch Christmas fairy tales whole day, bake some things and shitpost since I can't drink today.
Happy new year fags. Make Monero-chan proud.
WAGMI.

Happy New Year everyone!

>>53087062
T H I G H S

Another XMR added to the stack

Anons, im glad to be ahead of the curve for once, when the mainstream TV (wo)man starts to blabber about XMR then it's a medium term sell signal for me.

Happy new years everyone !

>>53086593
Anon please go out even if it's a bad time

>>53086593
I don't even pretend to go out. I stay in my room drinking and ignore my family's phone calls, I haven't felt emotionally close to a human in 10 years

>>53086593
That’s a good idea, sadly is too late for me to pretend that I have any friends.

>>53086593
Damn I got memed >>>/fit/69427662

I just started using gupax after previously only mining with the gui wallet. everything seems to be working fine except I'm getting an error "ZMQReader failed to connect to tcp://173.230.133.14:18083". As far as I can see I have everything allowed in firewall.

If i already have some Monero how do i get more monero what jobs are consistent

>>53086593
Anon if you have money you need to go out

If you neeting anon well you are kinda fucked i suppose go to among us and troll some girls into submission then tell them to give you your instagram

Fuck normies, stay in the house

>>53087062
>>53087074
>>53087102
to another lonely new year with /biz/

Monero is illegal in most countries. The app I use won't even let you buy the stuff. Don't waste your money on this rug pull.

xmr is a stable coin
not getting rich here

>>53088815
>>53088833
spam

Happy new year

>>53089009
Imagine them being so afraid of moner they spend their new years shitposting against it XD

>>53070955
I'm not into monero, but that's a funny meme
i approve

>>53089106
illiterate

>>53089063
Happy New Year to you as well fren.

>>53089125
Nigger

>>53089277
Go back

>>53089285
Take your own advice, dipshit

>>53089294
>hur dur I don't know what monero is but I've been here forever

Kill yourself

>>53089495
I know what it is, nigger. I just don't care enough to buy it

>>53089495
Also choke to death with your dildo collection, faggot

Why would you "invest" in a coin that's already illegal in many countries with more to follow?

>>53089740

>>53082230
Most credit cards won't let you buy crypto at all.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1672538537509015.webm

>>53089701
>>53089712
>I don't care but I post on a monero general

kys

what are the sui/ make it stacks?

>>53086593
gonna go to the gym and smash a makiwara

>>53090716
Suicide is 18.7, make it is 100.

>>53090716

>>53090945

>>53090982
correct, this version is more appropriate. thanks.

>>53090716
suicide is 21.7

Happy new monero year.
Bump for seraphis/jamtis: https://piped.video/watch?v=xGEBRQU1lzw

>>53087062

Doing God's work Monero-chan AI-maker. Happy New Year!

>>53087062
>>53087074
>>53087102
>>53084167

Doing God's work Monero-chan AI-makers. Happy New Year!

2023 is the Year of the Monero

>>53093183
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXO

>>53093101
the year of monerochan

>>53093183
More please

the year of the WOWnero

>>53094686
based chinese

>>53070955
I’m not a moonfag by any means but anyone notice how good of a week XMR price has had relative to the rest of the market? The adoption is real

>>53095854

It is what it is.

>>53075966
this was actually extremely hopeful for me as my life is currently a mess. but thank you for actual good advice in a demeanor and attitude that isn't degrading or negative.

i'm 24, i feel like i'm getting too old and i have a negative networth.

money isn't my primary goal. but i'm tired of living my life the way i have been lately.

any other anons, please shed advice on how to get my life in order

>>53096070
I'm glad that post helped you but if you couldn't tell it was shilling a stablecoin scam.

Bitcoin Core dev Luke Jr. just had 216 Bitcoin stolen out of his hot wallet and his pgp key compromised.

>>53096742
why don't people use hardware wallets?

>>53096742
I checked the blockchain transaction and it checks out, there were 216 bitcoin sent to that address. Why is this twitter thread so frantic and retarded though? Using the bitcoin hashtag and crying to the FBI, really? I mean I'd probably start puking if this happened to me but being a bitcoin core developer he should know better the way this whole space operates. Also his pgp was compromised too? How the fuck does that happen?

>>53097010
>why don't people use hardware wallets?
Hardware wallets have vulnerabilities too. Most people don't need them though, this guy was a target because he was a bitcoin dev. It's almost like having your bitcoin balance on display for the world to see puts a bounty on you. Who would have guessed?

>>53097510
What vulnerabilities? Why wouldn't they benefit most people? Wouldn't this have prevented his bitcoin being stolen in this way?

>>53097510
His PGP -key- is compromised, which means someone sniffed it from memory/clipboard on his laptop or read it from disk and cracked his password.

happy new year monero chads

>>53095854
Proof?

How many times did I try to tell the arrogant and stupid to buy monero

I'm on the same level as Jesus Christ honestly

Stocks crashing to 0, bitshit from 0.0037 to 0.00895

Look, fuck everyone they deserve to die, and I hope they burn in hell, their souls will be poor forever, may a curse be put upon them and their children, may they get rickets and vaxaids and clot uncontrollably

>>53096070
anon bro, its easy. stop drinking, smoking first. then, start setting goals for yourself, personal and financial. achieve those goals. start lifting, physically and metaphoricaly. cut shit out of your life, thats bad for you. people and things. its easy really. just start living your life the way it should be lived.

These are the people who won the blocksize war.

>>53096070
Be the change you want to see in the world, Anon. Life isn't about waking up and being perfect, it's a step-by-step process. I don't know your story, maybe you were born with a burden that others didn't have or maybe you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, it doesn't matter. What matters is that you strive to improve and put your best foot forward. Some days will be tough and it's ok to cheat a little when you need to as long as you don't make a habit of it. Don't beat yourself up over your mistakes, you matter.

>>53099142
Also this. But if you have an addiction, don't try and immediately go cold turkey; some people can do it but a lot of people can't. Ween yourself off of your poison because cutting it all out at once will just lead to you relapsing hard.

>>53096070
It may be hard to do in this current day and age, but you need to learn to love yourself, Anon. You're worth it

new years poker games tonight til midnight at pokerclub. .1xmr buy in, no account needed. see you there.

http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion/

>>53099626

Oh, is the glowie attack on Tor finally over?

it glows

>>53102030

>>53099525
anyone not all in on monero is literally a moron

these are the useless eaters schaub talks about, he's unironically right

>>53101538
>Oh, is the glowie attack on Tor finally over?
they will continue to attack Tor until their run out of funding or Tor is gone.

SBF is literally using mixers after running away LOL

>>53103613
i would never give a woman xmr under any circumstances

>>53102030
>>53102052
FML I will never meet Monero-chan. Does anyone have plans to make an AI chatbot based on her? Maybe that could weaken my pain.

>>53102291
Don't you just love you won't ever have the kind of money as these retards?
Fucker will get like 5 years for stealing 10B.

>>53104838
Have you seen the sentencing guidelines around what he's accused of?

To get 5 years he would need serious help from someone and they're not going to help him now because he's fucking radioactive.

...bros?

>>53105164
plenty of vendors use it, he just needs something exceptionally retard-proof.

>>53105164

Crypto will be forced underground once CBDCs are rolled out, may as well start preparing now.

Important message.

>>53105164
>>53105502
He is absolutely right and anyone who says otherwise is shooting the messenger.

>>53105502
absolutely agree with the sentiment but is the part with shopify even true? is it your btc and your wallet or is it just shopify bagging the btc and you get the value in fiat?

>>53103639
y

>>53071892
Dont leverage yourself for such short term gain. Monero isn’t taking off to an unattainable price for quite some time. All markets are going to be stagnant for quite a while still.

>>53105516
No, he just doesn't know what he's doing. A quick Google search provides this
https://usethebitcoin.com/monero-payments/
>inb4 the domain name

>>53105826
Yeah but he asked how to do it through Shopify. Expecting non crypto people to move to a different service to accept a different coin isn't reasonable.

is monero the only proof of work coin worth mining now? GPU mining very unprofitable now, and I would argue monero is valuable to mine as long as you hold and wait for the price to increase

>>53105927
btc is less profitable to mine for the average person, asics and largescale mining are really the only way for the average person to make any money

>>53105927
You can use MoneroOcean to mine shitcoins with your GPU and get paid in XMR. I used to do that with a 2070 Super and got like $2.50 a day, stopped doing it in favor of p2pool to support the network

>>53105963
>stopped doing it in favor of p2pool to support the network

unfathomably based

>>53105147
The point is that these people always get off easy considering the damage they have done.
Look at the enron guy, he got like 8 years or something and is up to his old business again. No problem.
How many bankers got life sentence for 2008?

My cock.li sale has not been going on well rn, when business started, buys were rolling in like raindrops in a storm, now there's hardly one buy per month, might be some kind of end-of-year stagnation
>>53105172
The community is not at fault here. The major "plugins" like Coinbase Commerce need to start accepting Monero but the fed will obviously hate it so they refrain from supporting XMR as a payment option.
>largest ecommerce platform
What is he talking about?

>>53105164
what about globee?
It supports shopify and woocommerce among others

>>53105164 meant for >>53106065

>>53106075
I would much rather refine the current methods than go back to the forgotten parts of Monero history.

>>53105963
I was doing that too but stopped when ETH went to proof of work. Now I just use P2P. I live in a state with very low electricity rates so it's really not all that unprofitable for me to mine. Especially since I'm just holding whatever I mine

>>53105893
After strolling through the thread it seems there's already a few options that plug right into shopify
>globee
>nowpayments
>btcpayserver just needs it enabled, and it seems like they already had one set up

He has a point, but it seems kinda moot when these options already exist. How much simpler do we really need to make it for merchants when they already did most of the work required? Not a merchant, nor have I ever used shopify, so I have no idea how easy/hard this shit actually is

>>53106196
Drooling retards NEED to just have one button that says INSTALL and not have to do anything else. They NEED to be spoonfed 24/7. Monero NEEDS to onboard as many normalfags as possible so they can click on phishing emails, give away their seed phrase, then cry to the government to ban Monero when their "hacked" funds can't be traced.

>>53106539
the funny thing is that he keeps saying that Monero will never grow if we don't make it retard proof, and yet it is extremely obvious Monero has grown significantly. I'd rather keep the retards out honestly.

>>53107129

The people that actually NEED Monero will figure it out, its not rocket science.

The mouth-breathing moonfags are the ones having all the "issues"

>>53105963
>stopped doing it in favor of p2pool to support the network
are you getting any meaningful RandomX hashrate on your GPU to begin with? I would imagine it making the most sense to mine shitcoins with GPU and monero with CPU.

>>53107129
>>53107161
It is a bullet salesman who tried and gave up to selling bullets for Monero despite not caring about crypto because his customers asked him to support it. If you really think Moonfags are the only people interested in buying bullets with Monero you are hopeless.

>>53107295
I don't use my GPU for p2pool, I think it only gave me an extra 500-1k hashes. I use my CPU exclusively for p2pool and can't be bothered to use my GPU on Monero Ocean simultaneously since it produces a ton of heat and I live in the South

>>53107321
The current guide for adding Monero support to BTCPay is literally just adding a monero node, wallet, & enabling the XMR flag. The guy just doesn't want to edit a text file or upload a wallet file.

>>53107321
learn how to read retard.

>>53070955
Why isn't there a BTC-XMR liquidity pool built directly in to the GUI wallet or on a web dapp?! This literally would send XMR to fucking Alpha Centuri

>>53070955
Xrp sucks

>>53107500
Rude.

>>53106539
I keep telling myself that normies were the ones that shilled limewire to me to pirate movies and music so they can't be THAT inept, and then

>>53107399
Shit like this comes up.
I don't understand how normies got this out of touch

i love monero

>>53107490
That's what Farcaster is essentially going to be. Atomic swaps will make Monero unironically immune to any censorship, because you will be able to anonymously and trustlessly swap Bitcoin to Monero and vice versa.

>>53107490
yeah if we could NOT ship wallets with features that aid in price speculation baked in for the sake of "sending monero to fucking alpha centauri" that would be just peachy.

SeraiDEX just announced CypherStack is auditing their cryptography libraries.

https://twitter.com/SeraiDEX/status/1610020236912115712

hey folks, I am thinking of putting together a static site called "shit bitcoiners say" or "shit etherium users say", and just collect stupid quotes from bitcoin/crypto shills posting blatantly incorrect facts.
So if you know of any good quotes like pic related of notable bitcoiners, eth, (or even shills of other coins like xmr) then please reply (preferably with links or archives attached).
I prefer if they are quotes from notable users, devs (even satoshi) that generally have gone uncriticized or uncontested in the community. So it seems like a criticism of histronic crypto shills in general and not just some takedown of some nobodies whose ideas are not accepted by the community.

I have been playing so much xmr poker pokerclub is the shit. we could probably get a /biz/ table if enough people used it. should host a tournament

3 player xmr poker game going rn

>>53105790
If it goes down to 50 I'm going all in basically

I don't see a scenario in which we do though

I'm a monero extremist

Letting the price go back to 250 and not getting the stack I want would be foolish

We're taking over the market because fundamentals always win

The world needs gun-toting Monerochan.

>>53110811
checked
Please do. It's sad that Bitcoin is now 100% co-opted, it's a melancholy kind of feel. But then destruction breeds creation. God bless Monero.

>>53109611
Is the Frost multisig better than the one xmr has?
Can it be ported once it's audited?

>>53114167
I don't know about better overall, but I do know Serai leans heavily on Rust, so that would not be a trivial dependency change for Monero.

>>53082091
Some jeets have fun bagging linkies, privacy seem like a mirage to subhumans. kek

>>53112299
is it possible to watch? i am not good enough at poker to wager actual money on it but i would watch

>Redditors when drugs are illegal
NOOOOO NOT LE HECKIN CONVICTARINO HOBOS NOOOOOOO YOU CANT ARREST PEOPLE FOR GETTING HIGH NOOOOOOO WE NEED LE NEEDLE SAFE SPACES SO I CAN DO METH SAFELY WAHHHH

>Redditors when a solution to their problem is presented to them

NOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE PRIVATE CURRENCIES THAT ALLOW YOU TO TRANSACT ANONYMOUSLY FROM THE SAFETY OF YOUR HOME HOME YOU HAVE TO LE GO BUY YOUR LEGAL PRODUCTS IN THE GHETTO AND RISK GETTING STABBED WAHHH HOW ARE THE PIGS SUPPOSED TO AFFORD THEIR HAND CUFFS IF EVERYONE IS DODGING TAXES WAHHHHHH

Why the hell are redditors like this?

>>53115427
And are these Redditors... in the room with us right now?

>>53112299
>3 player xmr poker game going rn

Looks like its time to fire up Poker Night again!

Bitcoiners are unironically the dumbest of the dumb. Imagine not being able to setup Tails when a fucking spastic monkey could be trained to do it.

>>53110811
great idea, also
see
>>53115899

>>53113309
bitcoin is literally 100% co-opted and has been for years, it IS the CBDC trial run and no longer represents what it initially stood for.

I'll just leave this here.

>>53115899
a bitcoin dev asking how to download tails and it seems he doesn't even know what it is
there's something wrong
is he really a developer? I don't think bitcoin devs are this retarded

>>53116127
While I agree that Luke is a fucking retard, the tweet is cut off. He is probably worried about downloading Tails while using a compromised PC, because the compromise might affect the Tails image before he puts it on a USB.

>>53115400
I think you need to sit on the table, minimum 0.1 xmr
if you stand up from the table, I think you can only see the chat

>>53116176
I guess he can verify the hash, signature or something about the image
and use other computer
I don't see how this would be a problem for a dev

>>53116127
You would be surprised how many mathematicians/developers are retarded when it comes to setting up their dev machines.
Why do you think Mac is so popular for dev work?

>>53116202
That won't help if the image is modified by whoever controls his PC after he does that. It's unlikely, but possible.

>>53117344
But why can't he buy a new laptop with Windows on it in in the nearest store and use that to download and verify the Tails image? He isn't that broke.

>>53112630

fellow gnutards I implore you to check out Alma Linux, ideally the "minimal" iso.

best graphical installer I've ever seen, home servers and nodes would probably be a fuckin breeze to set up.

>>53118286
It's a RHEL clone. It uses the RHEL installer. If you like it that's cool, but it's not anything Alma Linux did besides add branding.

Where can I swap crypto for xmr with best exchange rate? sideshift rate is too high

>>53118658
I do not remember a LOT of these options being in the RHEL installer. Maybe it's changed in the 18 months since I've ran it? Still using OpenBSD on my hardware, but this could be pretty useful to noobs.

>>53118712
>>53070996

>>53118747
There's been a new major release since then yeah. You were using EL8, now Alma Linux is based on EL9. I love OpenBSD as well, and I think the one good thing the BTC devs have done in the past five years is embrace GNU Guix for reproducible builds.

>>53118712
TradeOgre?

>>53117344
>download Tails
>turn off internet
>verify download
>proceed with installing
I highly doubt whatever attacker has made his malware with the ability to intelligently intercept the Tails ISO while offline unless MAYBE it's a government agency

>>53087102
pls fix the eyes

>>53116053
>>53116053
Can you post the stats from a few months ago or last year? I wanna see the progression.

>>53121613
I'm pretty sure it wasn't even a full year ago we were celebrating monero overtaking bitcoin on coincards, now we're 2/3rds of the liquidity.

>>53121826
I remember. Still, I'd like to see the numbers.

Can anyone tell me how ZCash is traceable if you use a shielded pool, barring cracking the cryptography?
I'll never buy ZCash, I'd just like to understand why that CEO keeps going on about "auditability". Do the holders of the private keys just reveal them to the government on demand or is there some more involved scheme to unmask transactions?

>>53099525
wow what a dumb fuck. i hope he really did lose all his coins. but he probably just "lost" them.

>>53121613

These are the June 2022 stats for USA sales.

>>53116053
https://moneroj.net/coincards/
no clue why the stats are different there though

>>53122043
oh right, it's global not usa

>>53121613
>>53121916
Check out https://moneroj.net/coincards/, thought it only shows numbers for the total usage.
>>53121927
Supposedly in order to ensure that the supply is a set value, all shielded pool must come first from the transparent public chain.
But this is bs still because if z-to-z does not create new coins, all coinbase could be mandated to go into the shielded pool guaranteeing his "auditability" as the total amount of coins would be the sum of all miner rewards (coinbase transactions). But making the shielded pool the default would loose the approval of the venture capitalists and other investors see the likes of
>https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/zcash/company_financials
>http://zerocash-project.org/about_us

>>53122141
I don't quite get it. Is the issue that the shielded pool comes from the non-shield chain, and contains just a sample of transactions, so that, if you have a tx for, say, 50ZEC, then a tx with 50ZEC will show up in the shielded pool, at which point you can use external information to guess who might have sent it based on the timing and amount?
Could the ZEC leadership help the government in any other way if they got a warrant?

>>53122043
>>53122063
>>53122141
>global
>total
coincards is available only in US and Canada

>>53121916
Made an attempt at a graph, grouped a bunch of it under "other" to avoid the spaghetti.

>>53115539
You

>>53071366
Scaling without doing unacceptable compromises is an unsolved problem in crypto. Thankfully, there are some prospects though. I believe we will solve this eventually.
Realistically, Monero will never have Visa tier transaction demand, at least not for a long, long time. That's even if it wildly takes off. We can do internet underground's bank transfers level of transactions though, so it's fine. Let's get real here, normalfags are never going to use Monero, but that's fine.

>>53123358
Conditions will force people to use monero

>>53098121
>asking for proof on easily verifiable claims
>doesn't know how to compare relative performance of coins
lol. lmao, even.

can anyone give me an update on the atomic swap thing, how is it going?

>>53123721
Supposedly live and working, but they should be focusing on remaking the UI right now. Also there are 2 implementations and we might get new ones with research being done and Seraphis being just around the corner, academically speaking.

Happy new year lads

Stay strong monero chads, don't fall for the old fud.

Excuse me what;s the size of the blockchain? I wanna get a just-enough-space ssd. 240gb ok? Thanks.

>>53124981
About 160GB iirc, you can prune it to 1/3 of that size though. Make sure you tell monerod to prune it before syncing though, otherwise you're wasting bandwidth and monerod will leave the blockchain at the full size until the pruned size exceeds it

>>53070979
How beneficial would it be to mine on a raspberry pi 4?

>>53125871
not very, but draws less power than a regular pc
use p2pool mini

honestly a great time to short bitcoin

watching the nick rochefort stream

jet neptune checks xrp is shocked that it is going down, they read a superchat asking what the bitcoin bottom is they say 11k, it won't go to 4 figures

even altright actually woke people don't understand that these coins have 0 usecase moving forward

>>53090982
Kek. Nice edit

>>53090869
What dollars are you considering make it and sui stacks? If make it is about 5x larger than the sui doesn’t suck, or your make it is low.

>>53117379
>He isn't that broke
He is now

>>53123358
Normalfags will get to know the relevance of maintaining privacy on the blockchain when it becomes inevitable

>>53126644
not dollars, proportions of moneros issuance at a particular moment in time. (roughly)

18.7XMR was 1/1,000,000th of the circulating supply at the time tail emission began last summer. 100 is just a solid round number that makes monkey brain feel safe.

Welcome back to early November

cannot get monero to compile on openbsd 7.2 for the life of me.

Sleeping before I rip my eyes out.

THE MONERO MOON (ISSUE 60) IS OUT NOW!

Grab a coffee or a beer and kick back for a read.

Like, share, subscribe, and spread the word about Monero as it continues to grow and offers unmatched financial privacy.

https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-60

>>53116127
What OS was he using?

https://moneromarket.io/u/PROXYJAPAN/

We ship worldwide from Japan.

You can also request items you want from Japan even if we don't have them listed, and we will purchase and ship them for you.

>>53127943
>You can also request items you want from Japan even if we don't have them listed, and we will purchase and ship them for you.
kinda based ngl

>>53127957
Thank you :)
our idea is to work as a proxy between japan and other countries, to be able to deliver any item (always complying with international mail regulations) from japan to the world.

>>53127943
How about a virgin Japanese school girl with gigantic boobies? Can you purchase that and ship it to me?

>>53127968
hehe, the closer we can ship are sexdolls.

>>53127979
but I think it would be cheaper to buy those things elsewhere.
Think of us as a way to get collectible items that are hard to get in your country, or even to make reservations of new items that will be released in Japan first.

>>53127943
I'm looking for some out of print JAV DVDs that can probably be bought used, but I don't want physical delivery. Would you be able to buy the disks, rip an ISO for me and maybe make a highres scan of the covers? I don't care what you'd do with the disk afterwards (sell, keep, destroy).

>>53071633
>>53071591
You're confusing. Haven is the stablecoin. Haveno is the DEX. Pretty sure they're separate.

>>5312805
We can do that!
Send us a message through moneromarket with the name of the dvds do you want please.

>>53128058
We can do that!
Send us a message through moneromarket with the name of the dvds do you want please.

What is the make it stack for xmr? I’m considering buying back into crypto, xmr seems like a based coin to accumulate.

>>53128360
21.7 sui
100 make it

I support anything if non scam that supports under 50s.

Fuck the boomers, pic related.

>>53126935
>100 is just a solid round number that makes monkey brain feel safe.

100 is based on the assumption that XMR will eventually hit at least $10K, with $1 million = "making it" for some.

0.01 BTC inc

>>53128310
Haven en Haveno are different indeed.

>do we even need an anonymous and censorship resistant stablecoin??

Should the matrix chat room be reopened? Right now it's closed to anyone from joining (too many pajeets were joining and autospamming)

>>53130135
No. I don't want dollarshit. I want a stable, good monetary base for my currency. "Stable"coins is the equivalent of throwing shit onto a perfect cake. Just makes no sense.

Are there any good ETH-XMR bridges?

>>53116053
what about coinsbee stats?

>>53128359
thats cool af. the monero market ppl need to do an interview with monero talk or monero magazine.

Infinite supply shitcoin.

>>53131999
>Infinite supply shitcoin.

Plz enlighten us.

>>53130618
There's an atomic swap protocol in the works.

>>53131999
Checked

Show me a 19 million XMR transaction plz

>>53130618
https://trocador.app/

it's afraid

>>53132249
based

>>53127435
awake from my rage sleep.
Has ANYONE compiled v0.18.0 or newer on OpenBSD 7.2? Did you need any extra dependencies not listed on https://github.com/monero-project/monero#on-openbsd

All I've installed other than the base system and the default sets is wget, git, cmake, gmake, zeromq, libiconv, boost & linunbound. Compilation originally failed around 5% and complained about not finding libunbound, I reinstalled it and now it fails at 92% also bitching about libunbound.

I feel stupid. This worked like 2 months ago on my 6.9 laptop...

>>53133008
What's the exact error.

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>>53133103
>>53133492