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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shutdown/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. When P2Pool reaches 51% of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL DIRECTLY FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET!

If you have a PC or laptop:

1. Download Monero GUI
https://i.imgur.com/ZGefPef.png

2. Pick 'Advanced' mode
https://i.imgur.com/4c0uSE4.png

3. Set up your wallet
https://i.imgur.com/4lMKh00.png

4. Keep the default Daemon settings "Start a node automatically in the background"
https://i.imgur.com/maACmmT.png

5. Once sync'd, go to Advanced->Mining and pick 'P2Pool'. If you have a laptop or low-end PC (~50 kH/s) pick "Mini" pool, else pick "Main"
https://i.imgur.com/E60JeMG.png


>YOU CAN USE P2POOL-COMPATIBLE REMOTE NODES IF YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUR OWN LOCAL COPY OF THE BLOCKCHAIN
https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html


OTHERWISE SWITCH TO A SMALLER POOL, IT TAKES YOU 30 SECONDS AND YOU CAN JUST SOURCE A DIFFERENT CONFIG FILE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FUCK UP YOUR EXISTING ONE.

Many inexperienced miners think that big pools give better profits which is not the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>AlphaBay
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market #
>Cloud Market #
>Dark Matter #
>Darkmoon #
>FilthyFellas
>Mellow Market #
>Retro Market #
Onion links: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/fs7ax


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Kilos
>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8cunb


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


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http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion

>XMR Poker
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>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

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>The irrational exuberance of cryptocurrency investors

Irrational exuberance is characterized as a hype-fueled mania that causes investors to massively overestimate an asset's real-world value. In this delusional state, investors tend to become so smitten with expectations of greater profits that they disregard the assets’ potentially weak fundamentals and drink the proverbial Kool-Aid.

This then leads to them recklessly and repeatedly buying into whatever asset is currently rising in the charts, thereby triggering and/or sustaining an asset bubble. This bubble is kept inflated solely by the mass delusion that the market price is justified and will only keep going up in future, effectively becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Note that bubbles can last for years, especially in an age of easy investor on-boarding. However, when history inevitably repeats and the bubble bursts that optimism invariably turns into panic as the asset crashes back down to its real-world value.

In finance, the "greater fool theory" suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.

In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

This effect is often further exacerbated by herd mentality, whereby people hear stories of others who bought in early and made big profits, causing those who did not buy to feel a fear of missing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>>52942053
>pic
Sauce of the original?

Reporting in
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IRC- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/tzm4s
Aliases- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/bjbx3
Extras- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/daxte
Nodes- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/ke2k8
Mining- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/c7na4

>>52943134

Get monerobull on this pronto.

WEN MON?

>>52942053
fuck pigs

>>52943196
I'm saying April 2023.

>>52943134
Oh my!!!

>>52941095
Here you are, anon. High stakes poker game should a little closer to its 3 XMR goal. It should update from 0.5 XMR to 1 XMR in a few minutes. monerochan.art

>>52944528
Current balance.

>>52943134
boota

>>52943134
boota

Every scam is being exposed, soon majority consensus will be that monero is the most valuable resource on earth

>>52943134
reminds me of this: https://www.etsy.com/listing/1071212214/nier-automata-2b-booty-mousepad-wrist

THE MONERO MOON NEWSLETTER IS BACK!

Grab a coffee or a beer and kick back for a read of Issue 58.

Like, share, subscribe, and spread the word about Monero as it continues to grow and offers unmatched financial privacy.

https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-58

>>52942053
How does a NEET get into crypto mining? Asking for myself.

>>52946595
Install the official GUI Monero wallet, it has mining software built-in. You don't need special hardware to mine. Although profits are low currently because bear market prices.

>>52946652
Thank you, Anon.

>>52946835
Use gupax program to mine on the p2pool mini. Gupax makes it really as easy as clicking a few buttons to do all of that, while you will be mining on a DECENTRALIZED mining pool:

https://gupax.io/

I'm solo mining WoWnero on my laptop.

>>52946852
Thank you too

>>52946470
Thank you, that was a nice read.

>>52943134
>>52943163
you know, I've actually already looked into chinglingdao factories for this exact kind of stuff weeks ago and bookmarked some. concluded that I'll start working on a run once I've made back the money I've spent on the fumos.

I notice the XMR supply for borrowing on kucoin suddenly tanked and interest 10x'd to 30%.
Seems like people that were lending are now withdrawing their XMR. Why is this?

>>52948798
Probably the huge amount of FUD caused by the FTX debacle. Tons of people are taking their stuff off exchanges just in case.

FFFUUUUUUUUU

>>52942053
Give me dinero and I'll create a monero account.

>>52948798
Because of this>>52949080
You will not withdraw your coins.
You will sell your xmr to us for something else you won't ever see your coins.
It has been almost impossible to get xmr out of binance for the past 2 months which coincidentally keeps the price low so CZ can cover paper xmr for cheap.

>>52942129
Can't you put all this in a pastebin? Also, is it possible to make money without GPU exploitation?

When did you realize Monero was the real bitcoin?

>>52949141
Ahh what the fuck. But I still need to accoomulate more XMR before it's worth sending it to my wallet.

>>52949458
Use kraken or some non kyc p2p way.

>>52942053
>be me
>have monero [or dont have??? go way feds!]
>be neet
>want to share monero address for donos
>my fear though!
>what if me gets irl linked to monero address?
>then irs feddy donos me a bunch of money
>and I forget to include this income on my next tax return
>and I gets arrested forever!?
Can this happen?
How to stop?
What do?

>>52950123
>What do?
If anyone asks you can just tell them that you don't actually control that address and it belongs to an orphanage in Africa or something.

How are they going to prove that you're lying?

>>52950272
>an orphanage in africa
bruh, I need something better than that. No one is ever going to believe that I send money to africa. And then they would try to confirm with that orphanage, and they'd either not exist meaning Im fucked, or they would take a computer of mine, and find the address inside one of my mining config files.

>>52950123
>want to share monero address for donos
So you make new stealth address
>what if me gets irl linked to monero address?
How?
>>52950337
Bruh read up on how monero works.
Tell them you went on a boating trip and lost your keys, who gives a shit?
They can't prove anything.

>>52950123
Make a new subaddress every time you hand out an address. It's that easy.

>>52950337
This guy is a retard >>52950485

If you ever get in trouble with the law please dont "tell them" anything, use your 5th ammendment right when dealing with the law and let your lawyer say everything

Zcash is trash but... that waifu though...

It's Manuro.

when’re we getting rich lads

>>52951884
>Zcash is trash but... that waifu though...

No.

>>52952024
next tuesday

>>52950485
>How?
0. Website is paid for through credit card. If I leave an address on the website, they link it to me.
1. They could send cash to that address, just to see if I report it in my income taxes.
2. If I buy monero with anything but cash, kyc will come back to me.

>>52950815
>new subaddress
What? How does this work? Is this a feature of monero, or do I just have to constantly make new accounts and transfer monies to it?

>WFM0MY

>>52953089
>What? How does this work? Is this a feature of monero, or do I just have to constantly make new accounts and transfer monies to it?

You don't have to create a new subaddress each time, rule of thumb is a new subaddress per UNIQUE identity. So you can reuses addresses without worry.

>>52949141
>>52949458
>>52949560
If chinky boy won't let you withdraw, sell then transfer to bitshit and then transfer to tradeogre, then monero, never had any issues with this

>>52949264
When I first learned about it in 2020 after a long hiatus from crypto after being a 2015 hedonistic druggie chad

>>52953413
Why are people still using binance? They've been regularly blocking XMR withdrawals for over a year now. Kraken's a good on ramp, and Bitfinex has plenty liquidity without ever asking me to KYC.

>>52953572
I believe it's a psyop to talk about binance like they matter, or driving the paper monero fud narrative

Our enemies aren't as clever as they think they are

Also no kyc on tradeogre lol

xmr could crab for the rest of my life and never cease being my favorite

>>52942093
Realistically, how much Moneros can you mine with that monthly? I have an older i7 PC thats usually running.

>>52953089
> Is this a feature of monero, or do I just have to constantly make new accounts and transfer monies to it?
It's a feature of Monero, yes.

>>52953918
Check the hash rates for your cpu, then put them into a profit calculator. But you'll not break even on an i7. E.g., a i7 4930k gets 2900 H/s, .188 XMR/year before electricity
https://xmrig.com/benchmark

Anything that isn't PoW is a scam.
Anything that isn't ASIC resistant is a scam.

Can someone redpill me on illegal monero tax evasion?

If a hypothetical criminal wanted to do it, how would it even work? You can't just convert it back to fiat because the bank will freeze your account if a lump sum of money suddenly appears?

>>52942093
>>52953918
I have a very decent mid-high range PC build from 2018 (so not great now but can still run all games 1080p60fps anyway) i3-8350k 4ghz CPU since GPU is irrelevant for monero

I literally mined this junk coin for 3 days straight and my wallet at the end of it was 0.0000000 XMR. Then I went on to Mini instead of Main for a bit and had the same result.

P2Pool is mainly for "helping" XMR be decentralized. It is not profitable in the slightest if at all.

>>52954069
https://xmrig.com/benchmark?cpu=Intel%28R%29+Core%28TM%29+i3-8350K+CPU+%40+4.00GHz

How come it doesn't pay out, and there's nothing on google/plebbit to describe how P2Pool works.

Do you eventually solve a block and get a payout after say, a month on a slow CPU? OR is it only on an "as is" basis, meaning if you don't solve the algorithm you don't get shit.

As stated I gave it a go on the CPU related and got no payout over 3 days mining directly on Main P2Pool local DB wallet.

I was gonna come here and ask but just said fk it and went back to mining VTC.

>>52954406
As someone who owns a few dozen XMR and doesn't have too much of a stake in it, I think it comes from the fact that you would forfeit fiat fullstop, and trade only with XMR and vice versa. That's the vision that XMR followers have.

Unless you were to rent a shell company in the bahamas/panama and pay out into dollars, but no idea how you'd get that back into a US bank.

Shitcoin market melts slowly in 2023 and XMR stays around 130-150 range. Link falls below XMR forever by 2024. Anyone think the same?

>>52954406

Acquire/get paid in XMR. Never declare income. Live off the plethora of available giftcards/virtual debit cards, off-ramp when necessary by buying high-demand electronics or bullion and then selling for cash.

Basically, don't appear to be anything other than a normie wageslave and you won't attract the taxman's attention.

GOD MODE: become a digital nomad and travel the world.

>>52954447
>>P2Pool is mainly for "helping" XMR be decentralized. It is not profitable in the slightest if at all.

Pretty much, if you don't have essentially free electricity. And yet P2Pool hashrate keeps increasing. Its almost like most Monero miners are happy to mine at an acceptable loss for the good of the network.

Behold the advantages of having an ideologically-driven community and userbase, THIS is why we strive to keep the moonfags out.

>>52942449
melbourne australia protests

>>52954577
Def but we could ascend much faster

>>52954577
I believe the market as a whole is about to shit the bed and lay in a coma for several years.

Just remember that one of the most notorious economist in history, Milton Friedman, predicted Monero and the effect it will have in society.
Some delusional folks will say that he predicted btc but the description that Friedman gives does not match with btc or any other crypto available today except for monero.

https://youtu.be/j2mdYX1nF_Y?t=197

>>52955613
That's what everyone thinks though. And if it didn't during last years huge crypto bubble, or the stock market crash from COVID or Russia, why the fuck would it now?

Because Big Jew is telling you there will be a recession? You are ngmi

>>52949080
fixed yet?

>>52955753
>fixed yet?
hahaha man, it was never broken, this is not a technical issue. those fuckers ran out of monero and they are trying to hide it.

>>52955656
Based boomer

>>52954406
Do business in monero

Only sell monero for cash under false id

>>52955664
That's quite the leap in logic, there.

>>52956044
Listen to Kramer then

>>52956053
stop being a spaz.

>>52956075
You're in the wrong thread, also you don't see the apocalyptic route society is heading down, but many people do

>>52956044
It is true though. Big Jew is currently telling you everywhere that the stock market is going to crash and that there will be a "95% chance of a recession!@111!".

Zoom out on the graph and you see that it's about time for another bull run in reality, especially now that there is more money in the economy globally due to money printers going brrr from covid.

Does anyone have the link where I can put my services other than cryptwerk? I need a site and full professional contact info for that and I can’t afford a site now

>>52953710
>xmr could crab for the rest of my life and never cease being my favorite
Based. I'm guessing we're going to be in a mostly crabby 2023 anyway, so embracing the crab is healthy.

>>52955138
>off-ramp when necessary by buying high-demand electronics or bullion and then selling for cash.
this works until the IRS audits you and counts up your assets vs your wage.

>>52956198
>in the wrong thread
Why? Because I believe the line's going to go down a bit more before it goes back up? Because I don't share your enthusiasm for *price action*?

I see the road we're headed down, I just don't think we're staring down the barrel of a bull run right now, nor do I want a bullrun.

>>52953572
I don't ever let my XMR touch anything more CEX like than ChangeNow.io.

>>52942053
AYO ORDER FOR MCNIGGER?

In all seriousness, did I get a virus from installing the most recent monero GUI update? My windows defender alerted me to two trojans and says they are severe. Pic related is one trojan, will post the other one.

Is Monero a fucking scam? I didn't go googling for new updates. My GUI wallet alerted me to download and install the new version. When I did so, this happened. What the absolute fuck. Legit freaking out right now. I may use xmr for some transactions, but if the Monero company is legit putting trojans in their own wallet, well, I probably won't really try to accumulate. Seriously wtf is this shit

>>52957366

>>52957366
Probably but in all seriousness stop using fuckin windows defender

>>52957387
Is there anything wrong with Windows Defender? I have malwarebytes on one laptop but they jewed me out of my protection. The fee I used to pay covered both of my devices now they say it just covers one. What the absolute fuck

>>52957366
>>52957372
Very likely it's a false positive but in the future you should verify the binary files before running the executable
https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-windows-beginner.html

>>52957433
I just searched for the file in explorer and could not find it. Windows Defender says the file is in the monero gui installation file, but that doesn't make any sense to me. How can I double check this without downloading malwarebytes and paying them money?

>>52957366
>>52957372
>>52957387
>>52957411
>>52957433
>>52957602
HOLY SHIT I GOT A FREE TRIAL OF MALWAREBYTES WHAT THE FUCK IS MONERO LITERALLY A VIRUS?

>>52957802
Calm the fuck down. The official Monero releases contain a built-in miner (just like most other cryptos) so that you can opt-in to mining crypto on your PC if you want to make some side cash. Assuming you downloaded from an official source, I can fucking promise you that's what's being "detected" because malware creators like to hide miners in their malware.

>tl;dr
Monero is fine, it triggers your antivirus because malware creators like to try and capitalize on it.

>>52957802
That's what they call us.

>>52957802
>it triggers your antivirus because malware creators like to try and capitalize on it.

well I ran a full scan and it only pulled up the xmr mining files so I think I'm good. As to the two trojans, malwarebytes didn't pick them up. One of them I was able to "remove" through windows defender. But it says it quarantined the other one, and yet I can't seem to find where it is quarantined so I can delete it. Maybe it was a false positive? wat do?

>>52957802
Monero wallet comes with Monero miner and a bunch of Monero stuff.

Anti-Virus: Wtf Wtf Heeelp haxxor cryptojacker Software.

>>52957912
Meant to reply to you here>>52957943

>>52957964
yeah I mean I've had it alert for random stuff before with the wallet but this was the first time I ever saw an antivirus list a specific trojan name rather than just the generic wallet software like in the malwarebytes screenshot

>>52957802
If you need more proof, you can read the following links
>https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/
Find the section that says "Antivirus"
>https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/10798/my-antivirus-av-software-blocks-quarantines-the-monero-gui-wallet-is-there
Read the accepted response
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/r0rprf/problem_with_gui_anti_virus/
Redditor with the same problem

>>52957943
You're overreacting. If you downloaded from an official source, you don't need to "remove" or quarantine anything, and doing either of those two actions will possibly fuck up your Monero download. The correct choice of action is to have a folder that you download the Monero software into and mark that folder as an exception for virus scans and such so your AV doesn't spaz out.

>>52957977
The names that AV software gives to something is normally something weird and differs wildly depending on what AV you're using.

>>52958041

Might be a concern troll, there was some faggot earlier claiming Feather is compromised.

https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/52945444/

FUD harder, maxipads.

>>52958041
thank you, yeah I usually don't have issues. Just freaked me out I guess. It was from the official source, came from the gui itself, I did DL to my monero folder, not sure if marked as exception though

>>52958387
that thread was actually the first thing I thought of when this happened to me. Might something be going on?

Is 2k a reasonable target for next year?

>>52959895
No

>>52959895
In 4 years yes, next year 400 is a reasonable expectation

>>52956705
Like this?
https://moneromarket.io/

>>52959901
>>52960083
Why not?

>>52960824

Quit moonfagging.

>>52957912
>>52958041
if they're aware of the false flag, why dont they fix it?

other miners/wallets dont have this

>>52960842
Monero can't pull off another 2017?

>>52960862
>Monero can't pull off another 2017?

Nope, it's dropping back to $3.50 again, sell ASAP!

>>52954447
Works on my machine. Ryzen 3600 and I get paid a little every 2-3 days.
>3 days straight
You say like that's a lot but that's nothing. When I'm not using my PC I restart it and it boots into a Linux I installed on a USB and starts mining automatically. Sometimes runs for weeks. Every night it definitely runs. Mining is something you set up and forget for a long time.
>Then I went on to Mini instead of Main
Doesn't matter in the long term. I stick to default pool.
>P2Pool is mainly for "helping" XMR be decentralized. It is not profitable in the slightest if at all.
Nothing to do with pool. Entirely dependent on electricity price and how efficient your CPU is.

>>52954474
You get a payout when you find a share on P2Pool and then P2Pool finds a Monero block in the next 6 hours. Depending on your luck and how shit the CPU is it could take longer than 3 days yes. You can calculate the average share time for your hashrate here:
https://p2pool.observer/calculate-share-time
>I was gonna come here and ask but just said fk it and went back to mining VTC.
Frankly I'm happy with that. If every random pleb with high western electricity prices could get a sizable profit with their old gaming PC from mining Monero, the total miner pay would have to increase and eventually as that gets saturated too, keep increasing until Monero turns into a high inflation miner dump coin. The money has to come from somewhere. Monero already has a large mining demand. If you only care about mining for mining sake (I don't know how that's viable with the current market), stick to miner dump coins.

>>52957411
>Is there anything wrong with Windows Defender?
yes, stop using windows

Quick question. What would be a good way to gift the gift of Monero this holiday season? I was thinking of gifting 1 XMR to some family and friends who don’t even have a crypto wallet.

One option I had considered was generating wallets, filling them up then giving them a piece of paper with a seed and a pamphlet explaining how XMR works, how to generate that wallet using Cake or Monerujo, how to make a new one for good security practice and a QR code on the pamphlets to Mastering Monero.

What are your thoughts on this?

I want to add to the antivirus discussion

my mom works in IT at a hospital and basically she got me an ssd and put norton on my shit

norton won't even allow you to install or download the official monero wallets, there is no option to override norton and say, hey faggot I want to download this actually, you have to full uninstall

I feel most "antivirus" are just psyops to keep you in the good goy group, don't download anything potentially useful goyim, also upload all your files to our special cloud service so we can see everything you read and your general sentiments, who needs a pesky hard drive goy

>>52960843
Because malware that has mining software embedded in it is almost certainly going to mine for monero

>>52961561
>my mom works in IT at a hospital and basically she got me an ssd and put norton on my shit
and you didn't immediately format the drive?

>>52959895
Yes, and I would like take the chips.

>>52962129
basically I had no space on my cdrive and I wanted to finish downloading the blockchain, so she bought me a new ssd, and then said I should wipe my cdrive, and then she set me up on her goyware plan because she gets like 5 computers to put norton on through her paid plan with norton

>>52961561
definitely. Think of how integral Microsoft is to the U.S. intelligence aparatus - Defender is on every endpoint, you can't disable it, if you try it automatically re-enables itself, hashes every file on your disk (at the very least) and uploads it to NSAsoft along with loads of other telemetry collected by Windows (your activity, which apps you use and for how long, as well as pretty much anything else they want). Anyone who still uses Windows as their daiily-driver, please consider at least trying a user-friendly Linux distro just once, the worst that can happen is you dislike it and you can say you tried. There are good reasons why opposing nations are phasing out their use of Windows.

>>52962395
good point, one of these days I'll try linux

>>52962395
I used linux only for a year.
Piece of shit broke on me twice right before I had important deadline, went back to win 10 and never looked back.
That being said, if Linux finally gets their shit together since valve now uses it in their deck and eventually there is a distro with everything that just works, never breaks and I don't have to Google the special command everytime I want to install the most basic program imaginable... AND win10 support ends(not using that piece of shit win11) I'll give it a try again.

>>52961694
makes sense, but then they should think about separating the miner from the GUI wallet

>>52962479
Try CentOS Stream. It is based off of RHEL which is the leading enterprise-grade Linux distro. Pic unrelated

>>52962666
I was using fedora.
First I didn't like gnome, replaced it with kde which kept on crashing everytime I opened settings.
Replaced it with xfce, which kind of worked but it's so basic I would be surprised if it didn't.
Nvidia drivers were nightmare and caused me great pain.
Honestly the one thing I wish windows had is some sort of i3 equivalent. I really like the concept but oh well.
It's the price you have to pay for things to "just work" I guess.
And no I'm not buying Mac.

>>52961561
Dude wtf, unless you are 8, why didn't you just format the ssd and install templeos or gentoo right away?
If you want to be a cypherpunk you dont have to wait for your moms permition.

>>52962886
I didn't have wifi available so I went to my parents house to download the blockchain, my cdrive ran out of space though, so she offered to buy me an ssd and said I should reformat my drive

windows is easy though, I got rid of the goyware norton shit though immediately

eventually I'll get into that linux shit but it isn't today

>>52954447
>P2Pool is mainly for "helping" XMR be decentralized. It is not profitable in the slightest if at all.
p2pool is equal profitability to any other pool. Arguably more profitable because of 0% fee's, though technically there is the hidden "fee" to miners of having to include multiple of your outputs to spend for larger transactions, since p2pool gives you smaller chunks at a time instead of the regular pool method of giving you your minimum payout.

>>52957366
>My windows defender alerted me to two trojans and says they are severe.
lol
>Is Monero a fucking scam?
I think bitcoin might be more your speed if you think downloading a wallet on windows is reasonable.
>but if the Monero company is legit putting trojans in their own wallet, well, I probably won't really try to accumulate. Seriously wtf is this shit
>>52957802
>HOLY SHIT I GOT A FREE TRIAL OF MALWAREBYTES WHAT THE FUCK IS MONERO LITERALLY A VIRUS?
I think you're just one of us having a fun day of trolling.

>>52961561
>feel most "antivirus" are just psyops
The simple (and obvious) explanation is that they want to sell you this "product" (antivirus) despite it not doing shit to help you against any modern security threat.
>>52962395
>definitely. Think of how integral Microsoft is to the U.S. intelligence aparatus - Defender is on every endpoint, you can't disable it, if you try it automatically re-enables itself, hashes every file on your disk (at the very least) and uploads it to NSAsoft along with loads of other telemetry collected by Windows (your activity, which apps you use and for how long, as well as pretty much anything else they want). Anyone who still uses Windows as their daiily-driver, please consider at least trying a user-friendly Linux distro just once, the worst that can happen is you dislike it and you can say you tried. There are good reasons why opposing nations are phasing out their use of Windows.
I only really use windows when I want to play a game, since those are already closed source and there's no way to know they aren't doing nonsense behind the scenes. Might as well make life easy put it in the already telemetry collecting system instead of potentially infecting my linux system.

>>52963015
>eventually I'll get into that linux shit but it isn't today
you shouldn't have a wallet on windows to begin with. at bare minimum install TailsOS on a flash drive with a trusted computer and put the wallet on that instead of having it on your computer which may get infected by malware through daily use (or might be infected already).

>>52963015
Microsoft is blocking Monero wallets on Windows at the instruction of the US government. You MUST use a Free operating system for sensitive Monero transactions.

>>52963641
>>52963730
that would be ideal, I used to use tails back in 2015 but now I just sit on monero because I understand the real worth now

>>52963730
The gov is hunting and assassinating civilians now that express interest in surviving the machine/AI apocalypse.
Be careful, if you have any monero they will try and throw you in jail forever or just outright kill you if they can.

>>52963788
>I used to use tails back in 2015 but now I just sit on monero because I understand the real worth now
What the fuck does this even mean? You used to keep your monero on Tails but you stopped because.... monero is valuable now? makes no sense.

>>52964620
its a ChatGPT post

>>52960843
>Monero team updates wallet so it isn't recognized as malware
>some guy writes malware using the new wallet's code because it's no longer detected
>now he has malware that isn't detected without using a crypter
>it eventually gets picked up again
>back to square one
There's no reason for them to try and change it, it's an uphill battle for very little gain (AV heuristics would probably end up flagging it anyway, even without someone deciding to use it for malware, simply because it can mine crypto and they treat crypto miners as malware with no regards to the specific miner they're working with)

>tl;dr
There's not much they can do anyway, so it's better for them to focus on more important tasks. Also, other miners/wallets absolutely have that. If you google any miner and "virus" then you'll definitely see someone talking about it being detected. Wallets are less common because a lot of them are lightweight and don't have a built-in miner

>>52961485
If you're dead set on gifting XMR, I'd definitely avoid the paper route. They'll absolutely put it in a drawer, forget about it, then throw it away in the future. I'd manually walk them through the process and add their seed to a password manager or something (KeePass is fantastic, couple it with Syncthing to keep it up to date across all your systems and you can't go wrong)

>>52942053
Link this video OP https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=B7sLnmlZ-kU

Question: can I mine monero with a shitty laptop?

>>52961561
As others have said, ditch Norton entirely. If you need an AV, use Comodo (they have a free option, plus a badass IPS that works great). Comodo let's you override shit like any sane AV would and the IPS monitors changes to important shit like the Registry. It ships with a gay ass web browser called Comodo Dragon, but you can uninstall that immediately after installing Comodo.

>>52965660
You can mine Monero on a smart refrigerator if you want, it's just not really worth your time in most cases because older hardware performs poorly and laptops are prone to overheating. If you have free electricity and an excess of miscellaneous hardware then it might be worth your time

>>52942053
I heard dprk loves monero. Is it true?

>>52965794
Well fuck, I guess my old 2008 MacBook will not do it.

>>52965696
How about Don’t give root privilege to some random pos on your computer
Antivirus not provided by the OS is 100% malware. Windows built in antivirus is 90% malware

>>52965871
I agree with your sentiment on Linux, but I'm talking about Windows AVs since the other anon is using Windows. If you need proof that Comodo is better than the competition, consult the CIA WikiLeaks where they bitched about Comodo specifically being a "pain in the ass"

Here's Comodo's blog post about it, but you can search WikiLeaks for the actual CIA documents
https://blog.comodo.com/comodo-news/latest-wikileaks-document-dump-comodo-pain-hackers/

>>52966103
>6 years ago.

>>52961485
Gifting Monero for Christmas to non-crypto people will just make you look like an asshole.

>>52961485
>>52966263
This. It's like that Seinfeld where George "gives" people donations to The Human Fund in their name. Everyone felt robbed of a gift.

>>52966263
I have literally offered my normie friend $50 of ETH for her birthday when it was under $150, she politely declined, took the cash instead, then gave me the "damn I should've listened to you!" in 2021.

I just offered her Monero this past birthday and even pointed out what happened last time, same story.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

We need your help XMR chads.
>>>/g/90436932

>>52966109
Suggest to me a better option for someone looking for a good quality AV on Windows, then.

>>52966498
Replied. Mods are fussy about crypto on /g/ so I directed them back here.

>>52966583
Install Debian.

>>52966583
But anon, Windows is the virus.

>>52966632
Gentoo is also unironically a great choice for crypto since you can really crank up the security profile on your kernel, libc, etc.

>>52957977
Privacy wallets are based

>>52966583 is me, I was phone posting

>>52966632
I already did, and I use Debian for everything of value. You didn't answer my question

>>52966656
>But anon, Windows is the virus.
I agree, but a lot of people simply cannot into Linux for whatever reason. I'm not defending Windows, merely trying to give people a better option than Norton, McAfee, etc. since they're going to use Windows anyway

>>52965824
>I heard dprk loves monero. Is it true?

Indeed.

>>52966498
so was the 120 was refunded?

every person should have at least 1 type of crypto address imo
found out Bitshute was de-banked a while ago and they have (among others) an XMR address now

>>52957366
OMG I JUST HAD THE SAME THING
WHY WOULD THE MONERO COMPANY DO THIS??? DO YOU KNOW HOW TO ESCALATE THIS TO MANAGEMENT? THEIR WEBSITE IS USELESS, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. MONERO CUSTOMERS NEED TO BE AWARE OF THIS!

>>52962666
bogged

>>52966583
>>52967137
>I agree, but a lot of people simply cannot into Linux for whatever reason. I'm not defending Windows, merely trying to give people a better option than Norton, McAfee, etc. since they're going to use Windows anyway
windows defender and the occasional malwarebytes scan is sufficient for most. that said, worrying about the least-bad windows av for a normie is no different than worrying about the least-bad contraceptive for a $10 whore. sure, you can tell them not to use a coat hanger (e.g., norton, mcafee, etc.), but they're still going to be riddled with STDs and crack dust. you should first educate people about ad blockers, noscript, and common sense, otherwise they're going to continue to act like uninhibited retards with any "informed" av recommendation.

>>52964620
I used to actually do transactions with bitshit on the darkneezio, then I used tails, but since I no longer do that I am not as concerned about a lot of things

call me retarded but that's where I'm at

bring me the data of how many people have monero stolen off windows and maybe I'll switch but for now it seems a bit farfetched

>>52965696
yea I uninstalled as soon as it wouldn't let me download monero gui

extreme levels of goyim suppression

What is do people mine with? When I get my laptop my PC will just be mining with all cores, is there a dedicated mining is?

>>52968326
>processor
A newer AMD CPU is best
>software
XMRig with p2pool (if possible)

>>52968184
It's all about risk management. Windows is fine if you're doing things that are of little consequence (like having a wallet with a small amount of XMR). As you surely know, you don't want to leave your make-it stack on Windows though.

>>52968561
I have a 3900x running XMRig but it's on windows atm. Will a different OS increase the hashrate?

>>52968931
A good Linux setup will help but it's not worth the hassle unless mining is the only thing the machines doing or you enjoy using Linux daily

>>52968959
Linux isn't a problem, and the PC will only be for mining so I'll switch it over when I get my lappy, the laptop will be my daily, full tinfoil laptop to keep my crypto safe.

>>52969007
Then yeah it's way better. You get like 20% better hash rate, and you can run with like "xmrig | tee -a xmrig.log" in tmux with no GUI running for hashmaxing.

>>52969029
Nice. I'll look into that. Cheers.

>>52942053
>>>/b/891158389

oh SHIT

>>52968931
I have a R7 3800X and I pull an extra 1khs on Debian with huge pages enabled.

Is alphabay down for everyone else too? This smells fishy

>>52969253
I was just on there yesterday. Try the i2p link or just wait and reload the page

What's the best way to get into Linux if you're a tech illiterate boomer using Windows? Not just distro recommendations but specifically step-by-step guides on how to do the changeover + using it.

>>52970360
>What's the best way to get into Linux if you're a tech illiterate boomer using Windows?
Terrific question my boomer from another womber - one resource you can start with is:
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/try-ubuntu-before-you-install#1-getting-started


If you have a spare flash drive laying around (or want to buy one on Amazon, they are relatively inexpensive) you can download a distribution like Ubuntu for free and try it out without having to overwrite anything on your computer. I think just trying to use it, stumbling a little bit, and Googling the questions you have will get you familiarized and feeling a lot more comfortable. Usually the hardest part is just making the time to do it and overcoming your fear of the unknown. Also: I'm not shilling Ubuntu, but it is a terrific starting point for many new users due to its emphasis on being user-friendly. Fortune favors the brave, go try something new! As a bonus, you can feel superior to your fellow boomers and you can proudly say that you've used Linux.

>>52970360
My recommendation would be to first learn a bit about computer hardware ( https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/daxte ) then start tinkering with EZPZ setup virtual machines like virtualbox on your windows machine ( https://www.virtualbox.org/ ) When you're confident enough with that, move onto something on hardware. Baby steps, but keep stepping and also understand that you kind of need to fuck up a lot to learn what you're doing.

just set a buy order at $120
please let it fill…

>>52970498
Thank you! I will try this out. Seems lame being a long-time Monero enthusiast and still being dependent on Windows.

>>52970360
Buy a Raspberry Pi 400. It's a complete preinstalled Linux machine in a keyboard. Plug in a mouse, connect a monitor, attach the power cable, and off you go.

https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-400/

>>52970630
whoa did you make that?

>>52970778
I wish I was the guy making that. Great woodworking skills.

>>52961561
Bro just run Debian or Ubuntu on a virtual machine and install your shit there.

>>52970360
Is this Walmart Wojak real?

>>52971222
No

>>52971222
Yep.

>>52971174
You'd still have to worry about the host being infected, making the VM a mostly unnecessary complication. Anybody who's capable of creating a botnet is capable of noticing a VM and getting into it from the host.

>>52942053
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/11/15/privacy-enhancing-crypto-coins-could-be-banned-under-leaked-eu-plans/

oi chud, got a loicense to hold that privacy coin?

>>52942600
staying based

>>52971880
Banning monero would be harmful to black and hispanic criminals

>>52971127
that feeling when I have two TI-99/4As on my desk and I see you reply with that. When I went to repair one of them and asked TI's livechat if they had any TMS9901s for a personal computer they made 40 years ago they were not aware of ever having made a personal computer and asked me if I was referring to one of their calculators

>>52942053
OpenBSD Monero gang? anyone fuck with OpenBSD?

>>52970498
based boomer helper. The God's smile on you :)

>>52972177
Is there a openBSD port of monrod ,xmrig or p2pool?

only viable holds right now
>XMR: real anonymity
>BIT: self governance
>ETH: decentralization

>>52972241
>BIT: self governance
what is BIT?
>>52972215
I dunno but for security I would rather use openbsd than linux. openbsd community always tells ppl to rtfm lol so i dunno

>>52972215
You have to build it yourself. Go to the monero github, there is build instructions for all of the BSDs.

>>52972193
Lol

>>52972177
My home node is running on openbsd

>>52972215
https://github.com/monero-project/monero#on-openbsd

>>52972381
>Monero on Solaris
Nice

OpenBSD support is the sign of a supremely based security project. I'm not surprised Monero users got the node working.

>>52957802
I use malwarebytes, simply whitelist Monero folder where your wallet is contained.

When did piratebay start taking XMR donations?

>>52973098

Quite a while back.

>>52970360
Mint is a really easy intro. You can test it without having to install it. Lots of tutorials on YouTube as well.

MONEROMARKET.IO

>>52957366
>>52957372
>>52957802
jej

Hello, about to join this crypto scam, I have some doubts here. Linux user, I'm installing Monero GUI. Because this is cryptography, I guess there exists some private key that I need to know and will use for login everywhere. Where is that exactly? Is portable mode needed for this? I will go for the advanced mode.

>>52966409
>friend
>her
Anon, I...

>>52974728
Update, I'm stuck at entering my password after creating an account. Is this normal? The GUI is unresponsive. But my CPU is idle.

>>52974269
I like this idea of an anonymous marketplace, Safex was doing something similar, they recently launched Safexmarket, it was founded by Safex CEO Daniel Dabek and a kid with criminal record Aharon Bernal, unfortunately those scammers toke the $500k raised and never deliver anything.
I report them to the FBI and I hope to see arrests very soon.
Safex is a scam.
Daniel Dabek and Aharon Bernal are criminals.

>>52974798
just wait for darkfi, the team is legit. then you can move your monero over to their smart contract chain and use anon dapps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKVVQWiaLFQ

>>52974269
bery nice websight

>>52974772
Alright I'm now using mymonero. Thanks for your help. Question: How do I tune xmrig so it mines in the background without consuming all my CPU juice?

>>52974269
I just listed my first item. Thanks for providing an anonymous, open, and free (as in freedom) market place.

>>52972381
how's your hash rate compared to linux?

>>52975066

Just use this: https://gupax.io/

>>52975300
>rust
yikes.

>>52975241
I mine on Linux, my node is just on BSD because it's a box that other people could readily interact with. OpenBSD mining would probably be terrible given some of the security features.

Do the firewall exceptions for the Guiwallet impact speed of syncing?

>>52975923
Shouldn't matter, your number of out peers and your drives speed will determine most of it.

Let me guess, you want to know why it's taking so long to sync?

>>52976125
You're right, it's disk speed

>>52975344
Don't look into to farcaster repo.

>>52975646
ah, my mistake. Yea, I had looked into mining on OpenBSD at one point and ran into that exact issue so I thought you might know something I didn't. Cheers.

>>52974728
The private key is typically backed up as a 24 word "seed phrase" for restoring a wallet from backups. There should be an option in the GUI to expose it.

Also if you're concerned about permissions, there's a Flatpak of the wallet so you can tighten up permissions with Flatseal.

>>52977844
Can second that. I found my seed phrase from my wallet GUI. it was the first wallet I made and didn't know I had to write it down.

6k hashrate. AIGMA?

A reminder that Monero flipped Bitcoin on darknet markets.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1671732683524403.webm

>>52980551
Is that something to be proud? If the best Monero can do is enable criminals, soon no one will want to deal with this coin.

>>52982065
Bitcoin started out as a criminal coin, Darknet Markets have a habit of adopting the next big thing before it gets popular. Monero took the throne because it had important privacy features that other coins lack, there was a power vacuum that only Monero was able to fill.

>>52982388
That's a good point, but there are other coins filling needs that exclude dark matters, and the majority wants that. Even if paradoxically Monero fills perfectly the role that bitcoin was created for, but nowadays most people don't care about privacy. For that reason, "criminals are starting a trend" is not a powerful argument. Not even mining is designed with earning money in mind, which is what makes coins popular.

>>52982705
>For that reason, "criminals are starting a trend" is not a powerful argument
lmao. Its the other way around negro.
Criminals are ALWAYS the first to start with a new tech that works, the common man follows.
Who were the first people to use phones and later cell phones, - criminals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnKrMKo_WlU

>>52982065
>Is that something to be proud? If the best Monero can do is enable criminals, soon no one will want to deal with this coin.
Yes.

>>52982065
you're a criminal

>>52982065
>If the best Monero can do is enable criminals
That's the best any coin can do, because it's the litmus test for whether it's safe for you too.

>>52982065
>Is that something to be proud? If the best Monero can do is enable criminals, soon no one will want to deal with this coin.

>>52957802
How can retards like you actually exist? You can see the type of virus right on the left and understand that it's removed because it's a crypto miner because some people, like Garena for example, used to try and install mining software alongside other programs.

So for normies, removing crypto mining is good. Usually if you actually do want to mine, you should be smart enough to be able to tell that it's a false flag virus.

>should

pleb filter enabled

>>52982065
it's not about being proud, you're missing the point. criminals have a real interest in utilizing the best security mechanisms available to them. it's a powerful endorsement of monero's features in a "battle-tested" capacity

>>52980551
what movie is that from

>>52963539
>I think bitcoin might be more your speed if you think downloading a wallet on windows is reasonable.

what's wrong with having a wallet on windows?

>>52984483
>How can retards like you actually exist? You can see the type of virus right on the left and understand that it's removed because it's a crypto miner because some people, like Garena for example, used to try and install mining software alongside other programs.

yeah that post with the malwarebytes screenshot was a joke/troll on my part. But the two prior posts I made of ms defender screenshots were legit. I don't know why it said I had a trojan from the monero wallet install. Just kinda creeped me out desu

>>52984833
Windows Defender auto flags any kind of crypto mining software. That includes the GUI wallet.

>>52984762
The Quick and the Dead

>>52984874
No it doesn't. I have wallet on two seperate PC's and it doesn't touch them.

I will be happy to report that as a /GME/ holder, I support solely XMR. It is the only crypto that is a useful currency.

>>52985244
Ok, Well I know for sure it flags xmrig. Either way windows sucks ass and is spyware. Unless you're playing games or using it for employment you should stay away.

>>52985244
The anon said crypto MINING software, which not all wallets have.

>>52984791
Read the Windows 10 (and probably 11, haven't checked) EULA, it basically says Microsoft logs keystrokes and sends them back to their own servers. Couple that with NSA_Key and several other issues and you're left with a system that can't be trusted for anything of importance

>>52985540
Monero GUI has mining software and it is not blocked by defender whatsoever on both my PC's. Not sure why but I'm just saying.

I've whitelisted miningsoftware before so maybe Defender has learnt to whitelist. Idk.

>>52985268
Please leave. Your very presence is bearish.

Market research: Please state your favorite version, you may also list them from most liked to least liked :)

>>52986064
5 4 3 6 2 1, from best to worst. The winking it cute.

>>52986064
4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3

>>52986025
That is odd, I'll have to check and see if I whitelisted it in the past since I don't remember it ever detecting the Monero GUI either

>>52986064
4 and 5 are best

>>52986064
4, 1, 3, 6, 5, 2

govts know they also need monero

>>52986044
How so?

in my experience, people FUDDing both XMR and GME generally don't have a clue about the details of the situation.

>>52986064
Cutting this thing short. We're going with the wink at no4 :)

Infinite supply shitcoin that is trending to zero against Bitcoin.

Stay poor.

>>52987172

Post the rest tho!

>>52987303

>DUH WOT R ASYMPTOTE?

>>52987720
it made it almost to 555. maybe if you were couting CAD or AUD

>>52942093
why not moneroocean

>>52986064
4

>>52986064
4>1>2

>>52987303
What’s the problem with infinite supply? And why Monero has it?

>>52989517
see >>52942167
also in op
the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

>>52987303
>Trending to zero
Except it isn't.

JUST FYI I ESCALATED TO MANAGEMENT AND THEY SAID THEY'RE SORRY BUT IT'S REALLY BAD RN MANY REDEMPTIONS WILL HAPPEN AND NOW PRICE IS DUMPING. SELL NOW OR LOSE ALL MONEY.

Hey guys.
Since the 3d vinyl figure dream is still quite a bit out in the future, I've decided I'm going to make a 2d vinyl figure for now.
Other than the very limited fumos, these ones won't be nearly as limited and won't include anything besides a couple of stickers. Since they aren't intended as a one-run-only collectors item, they will in return be a lot more affordable. Picrel is the first sample, they are already in mass production and if everything goes according to plan, could launch in as little as 3 weeks. I hope you guys like her!

https://imgur.com/a/C97MW7v (imgur bcs i cant get 4chan to accept any format at all)

>>52991442
baste, I need to decorate my miner rack with something.

Talk me into adding to my xmr stack instead of buying eth and staking it

>>52986064
4,6,5,2,1

>>52991475
Do you want to own and have complete control and privacy in your crypto or do you want rely on IOUs while being at the mercy of shady exchanges and government?

>>52991502
Vote is already over but you're in luck, #4 is what was decided on!

>>52991525
I'm thinking more in terms of money being made.
eth staking is passive income for me.
Will xmr ever reach near 1k?

>>52991554
haha, based. Crazy guy. Having this on your desk will tip off the feds when they raid you.

>>52991556
XMR is not for generating income. It's for saving and spending. Like cash. Play the ETH/Stake game if you want to try and get passive income. Move profits to XMR and/or reinvest as you see fit.

Above all, if you decide to hold XMR keep it in a private wallet and off all exchanges. Good luck.

>>52949080
You need to exclude the transaction fee

>>52991705
kek

>>52989810
can someone explain how bitcoin plans to verify block transactions once miners all quit because there is zero rewards?

>>52992012
Butcoin has two options.
Either change or die.
Only history will tell which route they chosed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBsfUtjTbi0

>>52992012
They keep on bitching about fees funding the mining, but currently no, not even small scale PoW chains have operated solely on transaction fees. As of right now, in all major PoW coins transaction fees make up a few percent of the total reward a miner receive after a block. Sure thing the shift won't happen tomorrow, but if Bitcoin won't address it the problem will never just solve itself. Even after the various halvings, the missing revenue was accounted for with an increase of the price of Bitcoin, not an increase in the role of transaction fees funding the network.
In order for the fees to fund the hashrate that Bitcoin has right now, the transaction fees need to go up 50x-100x. However, nobody would want to pay such high fees, so the amount of people that are left paying the increased transaction fees would be less, further driving up the transaction fees. L2s don't help this, because people would still need to open a channel/deposit liquidity/sign a transaction or whatever the L2 might want. The only way L2s like the LN could survive such a shift would be to start charging more routing fees to keep up and open less channels/prioritize large liquidity channels increasing centralization. Two options that are really unwanted for any L2.
But Bitcoin mining in general is fucked for the future. For example, if Bitcoin won't establish a bottom of 40k USD (or more to account for the increasing electricity prices and inflation) after the 2024 halving of the block reward, the already fragile hashrate will have to shrink. And the ones that will survive will likely be the corpo miners mining on cheap electricity and top of the line ASICs.
Alternatively, a not mentioned option is for the network's hashrate to drastically decrease, where probably some government(s) will step in to run their own miners. First blacklisting with OFAC sanctions and such, then whitelisting with only fully KYCd and explained transactions going through. Any dictator's dream system.

>>52991573
He runs MoneroSupplies.com, so I'm sure the feds would already know

Make new thread?

>>52991442
Based idea anon, will probably cop

>>52995743
is this stable diffusion?

>>52992764
well the fee strategy doesnt make sense to me because that defeats the entire purpose of security. whats going to happen is most miners will quit and only the really large scale entities that can afford narrow as fuck margins will remain which will mean most bitcoin tx verification will happen through a tiny handful of miners, if it even happens at all. assuming the fees are enough to even cover the electricity costs. which would also mean people would stop using BTC because it would basically become ETH, just another useless piece of faggotry that takes $400 in fees to send $4 worth of tokens. yeha great form of currency there. store of value LOL. buttcoin is trash and will be back to sub $300/BTC by end of 2023 as all the fed stimulus runs out and the high interest rates lead to capital flight to actual assets

>>52994953
no

>>52991442
Price 2 cop? Will you accept xmr?

>>52984833
>I don't know why it said I had a trojan from the monero wallet install
>>52984874
That's because these kinds of programs are frequently used as malicious payloads snuck in with other programs. In other words, AV software considers the program itself to be the malware, rather than believing there's malware embedded within it.
Beyond that, there's nothing you need to worry about if you're deliberately configuring and running miners intentionally, provided you source them from trusted sites.

Doompa

>>52996279
Not sure, I saved it from a couple threads back
>>52999066
I <3 her so much bros

Which lite wallet is the best?

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>>52943134
damn i really need an ass to slap

>>52970360
install linux mint and learn to use terminal, write shell scripts and maybe learn some automation with python. look up no starch press - they have some good book on the topics i listed. automate the boring stuff with python is the one book i would recommend to absolutely everyone who wants to git gud at making computers do what you want regardless of what operating system you use.

>>52969029
>xmrig | tee -a xmrig.log
At that point run with no GUI. Console only.
I have a Linux USB stick, it boots up and starts mining automatically. On Arch Linux, xmrig comes with systemd service files so I just did:
>/etc/xmrig/p2pool.conf
>systemctl enable xmrig@p2pool
You can see the logs with
>journalctl -f
Set the logs to volatile in /etc/systemd/journald.conf so it doesn't kill the shitty USB by writing on it all the time.

>>52970360
People will recommend some babby distro that will try to make it easy for casuals, and I suppose that's fine as a start, but remember:
1. The terminal and config files are absolutely core to Linux. If you run from them forever you will never make it.
2. Those easy to use distros also add more stuff that can break and stand in your way.

>>52970630
>>52970778
Everything can be arranged for a monero fee.
https://moneromarket.io/listing/c6ecd892-44c3-44d0-b07b-27ee3cd0a557

>>52987336
>>52989517
Even before asymptote, the fact the any coin loss exists at all means that in a certain limited time frame the supply will reach a constant equilibrium, or possibly even go deflationary.