/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>52618626
The day of the rope.

remove jews from any position of power

>>52618626
Gassing the jews.

>>52618649
What positions?

>>52618626
Get rid of military spending which I've been endlessly told makes up more than half of both mandatory and discretionary spending combined.

>>52618626
raise taxes

>>52618626
-Move old age socialism back to age 72, look how much is income security, social security, Medicare.
-Make a 5% consumption tax
-No longer elect populists like Obama and Trump.

>>52618690
From one point I understand that entire american history the main goal was to cut corporate taxes and make american companies look good on paper through bigger profit, but from another point the "Corporate income taxes" paragraph on this graph is ridiculously small

>>52618725
estate and gift taxes is ridiculously small
raising taxes could solve half of the problem and making cutbacks across the board could solve the other half.

>>52618751
>In 2021, corporations in the U.S. made profits of around 2.77 trillion U.S. dollars
I'm pretty sure the wealthy don't have/make enough to make up $2.77 trillion in excess spending every year from taxes.
And who's going to agree to cutback on spending from where?

>>52618664
Media, politics, journalism, finance, education, medicine
>inb4 source
Lurk more and/or kill yourself nigger faggot YWNBAW

>>52618751
I have an accountant buddy, a 100% estate tax would really benefit society but I hear it’s one of the hardest things to tax with way to many work around for the wealthy.

>>52618801
1.3 trillion in new taxes
1.3 trillion in cutbacks
the real problem is interest expense

>>52618626
stop making income

>>52618626
lose job and stocks go down. = less tax revnue = more deficit = print more money

hyperinflation either way. buy bitcoin

>>52618626
step 1:
remove all income security, social security, 'health,' national defence, medicare, commerce and houseing credit, education, general government, veterans benefits, transportation, administration justice, agriculture, international affairs, community and regional development, natural resources, something something something and something, and energy.
step 2:
remove individual income taxes, social security and medicare taxes, corporate income taxes, miscellaneous revenue, custom duties, excise taxes, unemployment insurance, estate and gift taxes, and all other revenues

step 3:
default on debt and a abolish all laws

>>52618893
now that's sone freedom

>>52618626
Start making our own good and have our own industries again.
Stop giving aid to countries who don't need it
Start up major tariffs again

>>52618626
this doesnt look good. Lower the fed wages.

>>52618626
There isn't a fix, it's too late

>>52619012
This. Though they may be able to stretch the pain out for a very long time. The US will start sacrificing adjacent vassal economies first to prop the body up, which some may argue is already starting to happen.

>>52619012
Impose bigger taxes on corporations, lower income security and social security, increase taxes for ultrarich people - it'll be fixed

>>52618626
Nothing to fix.

>>52618644
Been saying that for years memer

>>52618626
How do I take money from the government?
Government owes me money

Bioengineer a virus which mostly kills old people.

Do it in a lab in China, so nobody suspects USA did it.

>>52618626
Download costs for programs to the lowest possible levels of government. Municipalities are idea since they are so financially constricted and the most responsive to voter sentiment.
>Almost all of your entitlement programs will be cut in half as soon as locals need to pay for them directly. It is easy to ignore welfare cheats when you feel like it is meaningless. It is much more difficult when you are looking at a ten percent per year property tax increase.
>All politics is local. Make the funding local as well.

>>52618626
As long as inflation is higher than the total added to the deficit, then technically it is shrinking.

>>52619348
Thanks Keynes, don't you have a world war to dodge?

>>52619389
Keynes is based, seethe more

>>52619393
No, he was an illiterate, bankrupt, recalcitrant, proto-hippy, who lost every penny he had during the twenties when everything was going up. He lost before the crash.
>Inflation is theft from the time values accrued by others. It is the single most dangerous, pernicious, and seductive force in economics. The only time it should ever be considered is during periods of national contraction from a world war. None of this changes the fact that Keynes was/is an illiterate, slack jawed, faggot.

>>52618664
basically every cabinet position in Biden's cabinet?

>>52618626
Eliminate foreign aid

>>52619183
Just like climate change. But that’s real, fight?

>>52619348
This, no problem at all, just let the Fed keep "flooding the system with money".

Eventually the USD will collapse as hyperinflation sets in. At this point they will issue emergency powers to seize the gold and crypto coins you have unfairly hoarded so that they may use them to back a new currency. And there you have it, sound finance.

>>52618649
>>52618652
Nazi Germany's government did this but still had a giant budget deficit even before the war.

>>52618626
too much security
divide everything by 2 and remove all military spending
Nationalize the CIA to recover trillions of stolen funds and taxes.

>>52618626
>How do we fix this, bros?
>Pikabu.ru

>>52618626
Create wealth through government owned crown corps that control resource trade within the country and make all citizens shareholders that receive monthly dividend instead of welfare and social assistance. Similar to what the Saudis are doing.

>>52618626
Increase taxes and open up state run industry and programs. Force people to be employed.

Cut social security and Medicare. Raise taxes and provide universal healthcare and UBI

>>52618626
>How do we fix this, bros?
Uhh...print more money ?

>>52618626
HENRY GEORGE
ALSO RON PAUL
ALSO DOWNLOAD EXPENDITURES

>>52619348
>>52620043
based weimaraners

>>52618626
>fix
You're funny anon

>>52618626
>352B net interest
lol lmao

>>52620990
It gets even better knowing that deficit won't decrease by any meaningful degree while the FED is increasing rates to slow inflation.

>>52620038
Lol.whos gonna fight out wars for us eurofag?

>>52619670
Umm Germany would be fine if kikes didn't charge them for defending themselves for decades after the event.

>money to pissrael and jewkraine
>national defense

>>52618626
wtf is income security
t. absolute retard

>>52618687
this

>>52618626
Eliminate all Jews

>>52619393
>Keynes is based, seethe more
ok groomer

>>52619468
he was also a child rapist

>>52618626

reduce SS payments by making high wealth people/earners "roll over" their SS money to their kids, such that they don't get payments and their contribution is rolled over. If they don't have kids, tough shit.

Drastically cut foreign aid and military spending. Introduce and pass an act that requires any foreign aid, or military spending, to be passed by an act of congress and require that all foreign aid/military spending must have a sunset clause of 2 years.

Change the social safety nets to one income security payment - reduce government bloat and therefore cost.

eliminate all student loan funding

Raise medicare eligibiltiy to 72 years old. Cap the benefits after 15 years.

Reduce size of miliary.

eliminate all "buyer programs" which do nothing but inflate the value of homes and prevent people from buying legitimately

Add taxes on the following groups:
Home flippers now taxed as income earners, not capital gains
Home sales taxed as income, not capital gains
Landlord tax
Litigation tax (attorney's fees) for federal cases which result in a verdict

Introduce a federal luxury sales tax on
Homes with more than 2 bathrooms
Cars with a weight of more than XXX (also serves climate change agenda)
Electronics, not including a cell phone or small toy device
Anything with gold and jewelry
Anything with silver and jewelry
Anything with diamonds

>>52621235
>Landlord tax
Good idea. We need to reduce the amount of housing being built and we need rent rates to go up.

>>52618626
>income security
>social security
>healthcare
This is the top fucking 3.
Stop giving away money to freeloaders.

Also, imagine how much more money would disappear into the black hole every year if healthcare were truly socialized.

>>52621235
>Too many bathrooms bros I gonna get taxed
>Better buy up all these single senpai starter homes to make up for this one property I don't want to pay for minors transcope studies
I don't think it would be productive to incentivise a bankrun on labor markets future reproduction.

>>52621267

no... less landlords means less of these creatures buying up homes and inflating the value of property

>>52618626

End all Federal welfare.
End all Federal taxation.
Dissolve the Federal Government.

>>52618649
spbp

>>52621337
>no... less landlords means less of these creatures buying up homes and inflating the value of property
lmao why are there still retards that think this way?
We had around the same amount of landlords per capita in 1970, same home ownership rate etc and rents were a lot cheaper.
Landlords don't magically make rents skyrocket, they are competing with other landlords on price.
Housing/rents are going up because central banks print money to create a massive housing bubble, this along with zoning and building regulations make rents skyrocket.
I mean Japan and South Korea don't have zoning, rent control etc etc and their rents haven't gone up in 20 years.

Leftists are braindead.

Health Expenditure more than Defense?? Yet you still have to pay and go bankrupt for simple medical operations... Fuck me

>>52618876
This

>>52621375

I am not a leftist, why are you resorting to ad hominems? Did I strike a nerve?

A lot of landlords use algorithms such as Story to keep prices inflated by not renting out below "market rate" because they have a bunch of leverage and property it is in their interest to keep it inflated

Taxation would reduce the incentive to do so. It would also reduce the incentive to be a landlord. Almost every single landlord I know, including family members, own multiple properties and have enough $$$ that they would never sell below a certain price. This is a problem. We need to eliminate that problem and taxation helps.

>>52621395
>I am not a leftist,
On this issue you certainly are. I actually agree with the other stuff you said about cutting government spending etc.

>A lot of landlords use algorithms such as Story to keep prices inflated by not renting out below "market rate" because they have a bunch of leverage and property it is in their interest to keep it inflated
This is literally just a cope. All landlords are competing against each other. If this was a free market, rental rates would be coming down, by a LOT. The main cause of rents increasing is the government creating a housing bubble through money printing, also by restricting building of new units.
These policies you support would actually increase rents.

> It would also reduce the incentive to be a landlord.
That's a RETARDED thing. Then less housing units will be built and prices will increase.

>Almost every single landlord I know, including family members, own multiple properties
Good?
>have enough $$$ that they would never sell below a certain price.
It's almost as if supply and demand allows this or something.

>>52621375
Don't forget the demand side of renting. If the US had actually stopped the tide of brownoids flooding into the country, rents would be quite a bit cheaper aswell.

So we are back to this:
>>52618649

>>52619492
Basically every cabinet position in any cabinet. Lurk more faggot, I won't suck Zion cock. Even the Chinese are compromised.

We have to many nooticers itt

>>52618626
1776 AGAIN.

>>52618626
>more money goes to "national defense" than education

>>52621505
All of these should be cut completely.

>>52618664
the money printer. the rest will fix itself eventually once this is done.

>>52618626
Why would it be better with no deficit? Just asking.

>>52618691
>age 72
>tfw no jobs because the boomers won’t retire

>>52618626
I don’t really understand the spending. What is “health” and “income security”. Is the graphic parsing out Medicare and SS so it looks smaller?

Real talk to fix:
Remove income cap for taxing SS and Medicare
Cap spending increases to 0 for five years. Gooberment will call these “cuts”
Go back in time to lock in 30 year treasury’s at 2% as much as possible.
Corporate minimum tax of 10-15% would be good even if profits are overseas.
Unironically abolish the department of education. Education should and mostly is on a state and local level.

>>52618626
110

>>52618687
retard

>medicare and social security does not equal medicare and social security
wtf

>>52621789
>Corporate minimum tax of 10-15% would be good even if profits are overseas.
Kill yourself stagnation supporting retard

>>52618626
by increasing the number of irs agents

>>52621144
>germany defending itself
>invading other countries

>>52618626
>Income Security
SSI payments. Usually people too fat to work.

>>52618626
Abolish all federal programs which are not within the few and defined powers granted to the federal government by the constitution.

>>52622024
Stimulus programs are most of it in that time period

>>52621198
it's the social safety net. those programs are:
food stamps, supplemental security income, temporary assistance for needy families, various low income housing assistance, earned income tax credit.

20% of americans benefit from those programs.

Reminder that a country without welfare can't function
https://evonomics.com/whats-the-secret-to-joining-the-rich-country-club/

>>52622142
whats the vatican?

>>52618687
Wrong, retarded, and incorrect. Defense is a drop in the bucket compared to nigger welfare.

>>52621441
>>52621375
Collapse of burger economy while rising welfare gibs in mexico means many mexicans will simply end up returning to secure the bag under obrigado. Pajeets also losing their jobs I guess they won't be deported but they'll probably starve, also a lot of jobs in tech are being sourced straight to india now so it kind of incentivizes the retards to stay there.

Probably rents stop climbing, for a little while.

>>52622222
checked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tscfH9EAIkU

>>52621395
>>52621428
You miss on something fundamental. A lot of this is happening because boomers want someone to "pay their retirement". The Romans banned retirees from voting and politics exactly because stupid shit like this happens and society gets worse. Boomers will always support business policies which pump their assets even if it means their gen x son blows his brains out and his millennial little brother and zoomer nephew never own fucking anything in their lives of value.

The story of Ouranos and Kronos and Zeus and the unnamed son of Zeus is itself a tale about the nature of fathers attempting to destroy/leech off their sons in order to preserve/protect themselves in the belief they will never age.

Like an elderly male lion that can still fight off young males but can't impregnate females, the 70 year old who hoards resources while talking about how he has "7 years to live" based on life expectancy so he's going to SPEND IT ALL before he dies is cancer to a functional society handed from father to son to grandson to great grandson etc. In particular boomers consider their kids and grandkids to be strangers, something nice to have is all, so there is no family aspect there. Just "make your own money, kid" and then you're 45 and still have no money because there is a recession every few years that absolutely wipes out everything.

>>52622207
vatican is a meme state of a few hundred christcucks not even worth of mentioning

>>52619670
>Nazi Germany's government did this
Lol. Lmao.

>>52618626
reduce spending, increase corp tax. its simple to solve but thats not what they want.

>>52622276
Based and truthpilled

>>52621746
It wouldn’t. People trying to manage the governments balance book like their household budget are retards.

>>52622437
This is only in the environment of the past where debt printing->3x gdp growth. Eventually you hit a ceiling, whether that is the result of inflation destroying wages to the point where people are demotivated to work, gibstrain becoming more lucrative than working, businesses sucking up PPP while downsizing so boomie can buy another yacht or the population becoming so poor that 30yos would rather live in a rundown shack in the ghetto/boonies or with their parents than find a spouse (which is what is happening in places like South Korea) than have kids which results in the longterm collapse of the population to gdp growth scheme is irrelevant.

Running a deficit is unsustainable and attempts to speed economic growth by the delusion you can pass it off to the next generation. But this strategy worked in WWII and the 1980s cold war reagan debt blast because the next generation was larger than the last, the WWII GIs could pay it down and the boomers could down what the GIs spent to defeat the USSR.

But the boomers had fewer kids and substituted this with immigrants but the immigrants, being adults, only competed with the boomers (or gen xers) for work, which destabilized the system- not one of growth, but of cannibalization. Career growth was slower for people born after 1970, many of whom were simply slower to reach that point of making money hand over fist. Entry level became contracts, temp jobs or internships, crazy HR whores responded by putting "NO INTERNSHIPS" when regarding experience, fucking the system up more.

The reality is that central banking and its adherents are cancer, debt printing only works within short bursts and 30 years of post-Cold War debt printing has destroyed the economy. Wanna debt print? Should have forced the boomers to have more kids in the 80s and 90s.

>>52618626
What the fuck is income security and stop giving it to spics.

>>52622276
>A lot of this is happening because boomers want someone to "pay their retirement"
They're only able to do this due to the policies I mentioned.
Why not target the actual underlying problem?

>>52622396
No retard.
Reduce spending and abolish corporate tax.
Business is the last thing you want to tax if you want to grow your economy.

>>52622222
found the welfare queen

>>52621957
>oy vey if trillion dollar companies have to pay a tax there will be no jobs!
>too underaged to remember the overseas tax amnesty a few years ago merely went to share but backs or bonuses to employees and fueled zero fucking tangible investment growth
>he thinks small and medium sized businesses pay the same % tax as large monopolistic entities
>raising any taxes ever is just goomunism

>>52622641
Because boomers in the USA are worse than boomers in Japan. American boomers embraced mass immigration (from 1990 onwards, legal immigration went from 300k a year to 1.2 million a year under Obama, being reduced to 500k under Trump and there was a brief period where it fell to 0 but that can be attributed to covid immigration shutdowns by the Trump administration). Restrictive zoning laws are also pushed by boomers to 'secure their assets'.

Japanese boomers got burned by the 1980s property bubble and it was never re-inflated unlike the USA. In Japan the boomers had fewer kids than their parents (arguably there is space but it's a small country) as did boomers in america, boomers in america supplemented this with immigrants.

Not only are the boomers in the USA opposed to changing these cancer policies for financial/selfish reasons, the problem goes back to 1990 or 1984 and you would need a time machine or extremely aggressive deportations to even begin fixing the population aspect. They will fight you every step of the way if you try to change it- the bulk of anti-immigration politicians are people like Senator Hawley, Cruz, Vance etc. Gen x or gen y wants to reduce immigration and bring costs down so millennials can afford to start businesses and xers can afford to move upwards to upper management and eventually retire in 15 years, boomer politicians oppose this.

>>52622654
>>oy vey
Kill yourself you subhuman /pol/ trash communist

>if trillion dollar companies have to pay a tax there will be no jobs!
Strawman. What does this have to do with you wanting to tax away production? Also, it's not just about jobs, it's about the supply of goods and services.

> went to share but backs or bonuses to employees and fueled zero fucking tangible investment growth
lmao are you pretending the economy went full free market years ago?
The share buy backs happened because the fed was printing money to boost stock prices

>>raising any taxes ever is just goomunism
It is, taxation is theft and communists deserve death.

>>52618626
reset it.

WW3

>Taxation is theft
Unironically, how do you expect a government to function? Or are you just an anarchist

Castrate every single nigger and spic and kike and throw them all out. One way or another.
Yes even the ones overseas like the jeetniggers, chinkniggers, and niggers in africa.

>>52622719
Jew.

>>52622788
>Unironically, how do you expect a government to function?
In the late 1800s, there was no corporate tax, income tax or sales tax yet we had double digit growth numbers yearly.
Almost all of what government spends money on can be privatized.
Donations will make up the rest.

>>52622813
>no argument
>call the guy a jew
Jews really do live in your head rent free, don't they /pol/turd?

>>52622041
something something interstate commerce

>>52622041
>>52622977
oh and something something general welfare too

limit social security to food, water, and other basic essentials so retards don't piss it away on stupid shit

>>52622862
Jew was my argument. No rebuttal? I accept your concession.

>>52622862
>During the industrial revolution we had high growth!!!
lol no shit, find a better example

Also if you want to see how a country turns out when everything gets privatized just look at Russia. Instead of a bunch of retards in the government controlling everything it just becomes a bunch of retards in the public controlling everything. Six one half dozen the other; it doesn't work how you think it works.

>>52623190
Jew isn't an argument and you can do nothing but cry lmao

>>52623231
>find a better example
It's the best example. It's almost as if economic freedom leads to growth or something.

>Also if you want to see how a country turns out when everything gets privatized just look at Russia.
LMFAO
One of the least economically free/non-privatized countries on earth.
Compare them to Taiwan, Ireland, Switzerland, New Zealand etc.
Cope and cry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom

>Instead of a bunch of retards in the government controlling everything it just becomes a bunch of retards in the public controlling everything.
The government giving away state owned firms to their buddies isn't privatization.

>>52623264
You have not reached, and may never reach, galaxy brain status on your understanding of how all this works. Good luck anon.

>>52623296
>no argument

>>52618626
Stop giving gibs to niggers. Stop giving Medicaid & Medicare to fatties, smokers and boozers. Problem solved.

>>52618626
What it would take
>a main party that actually wants to address the issue
>that party controls all branches of government including courts
>that party retains power long enough to be effective (idk, perhaps 8 years)
>economic factors make cutting spending/raising revenue more possible
>the plan is actually competent and successful
Basically, it's impossible. No one wants to be the party of raising taxes and cutting spending. Even if they did, they would never win an election. Remember the meltdowns that ensue every time a politician entertains the idea of cutting funding to PBS or NPR? The sacrifice needed would be political suicide. And in the end, there's no guarantee that they would be successful or wouldn't cause an economic crisis in the process.
As with many other issues, it's a serious problem unfit to be solved by a democracy comprised of people as unserious as modern americans have become. Our only hope is a benevolent dictator.

>>52618626
Kill anyone who pays taxes. Stop the problem at it's source.

>>52618649
this.
if it wasn't for jews and their goyim exploiting ways every single person in the us could easily own a giant house on a piece of fertile land. they ruined the country with greed, inflation and immigration because they hate (You)r guts.

>>52618649

>>52618626
>Corps freeload and take bailouts whenever possible
>Corps bitch and moan for tax cuts whenever possible
>Corps control politicials like muppets now
>Corps pay ~15% what individuals pay even though American corps make up 25% of global GDP
Americans are ok with this though because none of that money was ever sent to our education systems

>>52624072
corporations/wealth individuals pay the vast majority of taxes
Many european nations have LOWER corporate taxes than USA
the vast majority of tax money goes to social spending you fucking retard

>>52618626
Day of the nursing home. Throw boomers out of power and force economic austerity, getting rid of everything that isn’t infrastructure and cutting down on defense by half

>>52622719
>>52622654
this is me but now i'm on my laptop
>deserve death but i have to go back to pol
>strawman
>doesn't know small and medium sized businesses pay well in excess oof 10-15% but megacorps do not.
>says taxes at this level reduce production
>thinks mega corps with offshore operations and offshore tax havens, employing people off shore and keeping profits off shore is inherently good for the US/improves productivity/innovation
>doesn't think production is related to jobs
>confirmed underage and doesn't remember the onshoring of profits circa 2018 - thinking i'm talking about 2020 scamdemic market boost
>all those tax savings will surely be used to improve production and not enrich mr. shekelberg.


>taxation is theft.
show me your private highway system and military. surely the private sector can compete in these areas since government only misallocates resources. you're not implying you or any private companies derive benefits from these collective goods, are you anon?
if you'd like to add to the discussion of how to reduce the federal deficit, i'll still be here - waiting for more shitposts.

>>52624072
>implying the education system would educate more with more money

>>52619670
>Nazi Germany's government did this but still had a giant budget deficit even before the war.
wut

>>52618626
make that corporate tax a lot higher. start taxing unrealized capital gains after 1 billion dollars.

>>52618829
taxing away people's entire inheritance is brain damaged
richniggers will write loopholes that let them keep their shit
just look at the UK, they have very high estate taxes and richniggers still manage to give billions to their kids
a super high corporate tax is the only way

>>52624277
so it's a problem of corruption, not taxes. a cbdc would prevent any big corp or uhnw to hide money

>>52618626
remove "income security"
double healthcare spending
cut social security by half
cut national defense by 1/3 (china and russia are paper tigers)
triple education
quadruple veteran's benefits
10x transportation

>>52618626
Not sure what's wrong with that picture

>>52618649
nooo u cant just like, do that and solve all the problems that way

>>52618626
It's not so bad. It's going to create the perfect opportunity for the government to come to the rescue.

>>52624195
>>doesn't know small and medium sized businesses pay well in excess oof 10-15% but megacorps do not.
This isn't even true. But all businesses should pay 0% tax.

>>says taxes at this level reduce production
Taxes at any level reduce production. If there is more money left in the private sector, there will be more production/consumption.

>employing people off shore and keeping profits off shore is inherently good for the US/improves productivity/innovation
Absolutely, it pushes down prices.

>>all those tax savings will surely be used to improve production and not enrich mr. shekelberg.
Listen nigger, we've tried your policies and tried mine. Countries with the lowest taxes on businesses end up thriving with high production rates. You're just coping.

>show me your private highway system and military.
This doesn't refute the immortal fact that taxation is theft.

>surely the private sector can compete in these areas since government only misallocates resources.
Not when there is a government monopoly on these things.

>if you'd like to add to the discussion of how to reduce the federal deficit
Cut fucking spending. End the fed.

>>52624556
>End the fed.
Now you sound like a mass shooter.

>>52624660
>Now you sound like a mass shooter.
This is how brainwashed the american public is now.

>>52624556
>all businesses should pay 0% tax
look at that innovative powerhouse called the cayman islands. the 0% tax rate surely is driving innovation and not just a corporate mailbox
>taxes at any level reduce production/consumption
simply not true. what about companies like google that hoard cash. no improved production, consumption or innovation.
>pushes down prices
yes having ranjesh in bangladesh sew jeans or chang make refrigerators is surely driving innovation and not just commodity products with never ending pressures to control costs /s
>listen nigger
back to...pol?
>countries with the lowest taxes on businesses
true but 10-15% is well below many countries. nothing says 0% drives high production. look at ireland. companies just park an HQ there and employ people to reduce tax burden. hardly a good allocation of resources.
>taxation is still theft but i don't have any moral qualms from benefitting from that theft.
who will pay for any form of government then? private citizens? why not cuck yourself more then faggot
>not when there's a government monopoly
maybe you should ask yourself why that monopoly exists in the first place
>cut spending
woa, a platitude. such insight. not like that wasn't in my op. care to muse from where?
>end the fed
i'm on board with this.

>>52624660
jidf, you're not welcome here.

>>52624824
>look at that innovative powerhouse called the cayman islands.
Actually yes, tax haven countries have higher productivity and living standards. See Switzerland and Lichtenstein for examples.
>what about companies like google that hoard cash.
I wish people wouldn't fall for this economic fallacy
"hoarding" cash is good. Saved money pushes down prices for capital and consumer goods, leading to more production.
This idea that savings leads to stagnation is beyond retarded.

>yes having ranjesh in bangladesh sew jeans or chang make refrigerators is surely driving innovation
I said pushing down prices, and yes, having these people do this does push down prices and helps everyone.
> look at ireland. companies just park an HQ there
You're proving my point. The low tax, low regulation, low spending environment resulted in massive growth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Tiger
>who will pay for any form of government then? private citizens?
The state, through voluntary donations.
>maybe you should ask yourself why that monopoly exists in the first place
Are you delusional enough to think the state has everyone's best interests in mind? lmao
>i'm on board with this.
Then you should be on board with cutting corporate taxes too so firms have more funds to produce.
If there was no federal reserve artificially boosting stock prices, companies would spend much more of their money actually innovating and producing and not caring what their SP is.

>>52625161
switzerland is not really a tax haven anon
https://taxfoundation.org/corporate-tax-rates-europe-2022/

>>52625234
It's a tax haven for individuals though.

>>52624195
Just as bad money drives out good, government spending drives out private spending.

>>52619670
apparently not having jews in government/power as a 99% non-jewish country is now nazism

Get rid of the parasites.

>>52625329
yes, you are a nazi if you don't want to be occupied and controlled by evil greedy white jews.

>>52618664
Doggy style

>>52624556
>Taxes at any level reduce production. If there is more money left in the private sector, there will be more production/consumption.
We produce so much we already throw away a lot of stuff without ever selling it. More consumerism isn't a good thing.

>>52618626
you literally have to crash the economy and have a great depression and then reset the currency LOL
if you play the long game maybe raise interest rates which also crashes the economy but not as bad as just letting it crash. more like a 10 year recession instead of a big fast depression. all labor will mean nothing for 10 years LOL. once the debt is serviced the best thing to do is get rid of income tax or make it a flat tax, and increase business tax. there's like a billion of the same type of store right next to each other, stop that, make 1 big store. condense america down to its urban areas and restore them. high business tax will contract the rural areas. bring the rural people into the city, it evens everything out. go for a more european model. make college and health free and have payback systems. tax on imports heavily. various things you can do. kill all illegals, make pot legal federally, etc

>>52618626
I keep hearing that the usa has no medical spending and if you have a problem if you're not rich you die
then how the fuck this chart shows so many medical spendings

>>52626240
We Americans spend quite a bit on healthcare. More than most nations actually. Poor and old people qualify for many government healthcare programs like Medicare and Medicaid paid for by tax payers who don’t have access to either program themselves. Kek
I have to use insurance provided by my employer while also paying for a government ponzi system that likely won’t exist by the time I’m 65.

>>52621375
>It's the leftists who want the money printers turned on to flood corporate American with cash
I think you may be braindead

>>52627002
left and right are just two sides of the same (((coin))) so its irrelevant if he's "wrong" or not

The numbers on this graph don't add up to the claimed totals.

Pick unrelated

>>52626240
The US actually has the highest per capita percentage and dollar amount spending among all developed nations. The only thing is, not everyone is covered unlike in other countries with socialized medicine. We have shit health care but it's not because we don't spend - it's because we have so many uninsured.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita#/media/File:OECD_health_expenditure_per_capita_by_country.svg

>>52627166
our healthcare is far better than socialized systems
--for the people that can pay

>>52618626
>individual income taxes are over 5X corporate taxes
There's your answer. 10X the corporate tax since they're the ones offshoring/importing H1B's to take all the jobs and money.
Large firms are literally landless superpowers who siphon all of our actual wealth into a couple thousand people's offshore accounts.
If companies were taxed appropriately for access to the U.S. market (both labor and consumer) We would be in the green year over year and retirement age would still be 55. China would go back to being absolutely destitute, products with a reasonable quality would actually get made here l, and people would actually want to work.

>>52624437
>remove income security
>so that niggers and white trash dopefiends begin pillaging en masse
Retard take.
>cut national defense, one of the few industries that are actually American owned and employ hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans.
Military spending is literally a welfare state tactic. It's what keeps the dollar strong, takes a great deal of retards and puts them in adult day care, and employs actual scientists and engineers.
>triple education
State funded education has and always was a fucking joke. Almost all education nowadays is being transitioned to a contact model for better or worse.
>Quadruple veteran's benefits
Oh that explains your brain-damaged post, you're one of the adult day-care drop outs.

>>52618626
>income security
lmfao

>>52626868
>>52627166
I think you spend so much because the government lets you eat poison and cancer food unlike in europe

>>52618691
Taxing medicare and Social security is basically a doubling of income taxes. Individuals I.e. middle class is paying everything

>>52626037
yes, almost as if our current system (current as in the last 2000 years) is built on mindless and shortsighted exploitation of everything only to sustain a giant herd of ignorant quasi-slaves at the bottom and a few vampiric oligarchs on top.
someday the universal balance will be restored by brave and righteous men and i hope it will be before earth ends up as a desertified abrahamic wasteland.

>>52622641
>reduce corp tax
i would agree with you if wages were higher. but they aren't. and they will never be. but honestly i would abolish corp tax tomorrow too for the same reasons, but unless you can make up the deficit without further taxing the population, you are basically legalising slavery.

>>52627002
Leftists are always the ones who support central banking.
What do you think keynesianism and MMT are you lying sack of shit?

>>52626037
>We produce so much we already throw away a lot of stuff without ever selling it.
This is literally a myth, especially in regards to food and clothing. Stop repeating leftist, anti-growth, pro-poverty propaganda.

>>52618626
Bring the corporate income tax back to pre WW2 levels. Cut the defense budget, also that graph is a lie the military takes over 50% of the budget yearly. Problem solved.

>>52618626
Realistically there is no fixing it. The only solution is violence that would kill tens of millions and completely reset our society. Nobody is going to do that.

>>52618876
This. But silver.

>>52618626
Raise corporate taxes.
Cut income security.
Wait for a communist revolution.

>>52618829
>be average joe
>slave away your whole life so kids can have something for themselves
>die in random car accident
>government takes everything from your kids

Tell your friend to fuck off.

>>52623316
>>52623264
You are a jew though because nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, has any reason, incentive or moral imperative to defend any jew, other than other jews.
You understand this now, correct ?
This is apart of your new catch 22 for this incredible wave of antisemitism.
Indians and Chinese may 'appreciate' your ability to scam but they are not deluded.
Everyone has seen what you have done.
You have helped so few.
It is now suspicious to defend any jew.
And if we could see your dysgenic face and this was not anonymous, you wouldn't even get this good faith response that I am making.
Do you understand now ?

>>52625161
tax haven countries have high living standards
they merely compete for financial services which are very lucrative. the world can't operate like this. answer me this, why is china prospering in a shit tax environment?
>hoarding cash pushes prices down
explain how cash on google' s balance sheet pushes prices down for capital and consumer goods. sounds pretty retarded.
>yes pushing prices down helps everyone
considering no change in the product, a race to the bottom on price only incentivizes commoditization of a product and no real innovation or change. why invent a better machine when you can move from bangladesh to senegal one day? how is that productive or benefical to all? what happens to bangladesh?
>moving an HQ means a society is more productive
cool i sure can eat, live in, wear, and enjoy all that a corporate HQ in a new location has provided me. it's not growth. it's merely moving people from one location to another. nothing is created, nothing is discovered, nothing is produced. it's a waste of time. and again, does apple somehow make a better iphone if they have an office in ireland? doubtful.
>voluntary donations
lol. lmao. yes these donations to an entity you personally despise will surely allow for the state to function. surely amazon would use that 0% tax rate to construct the interstate system to transport goods and for all to enjoy.
>he doesn't understand how a road or a monopoly on a military can be in any way beneficial
what does this have to do with best interest in mind? ever hear of a functional monopoly? unlikely
>if the fed didn't inflate stock prices, companies would innovate more
or just use their corporate tax windfall to support their stock prices because that's how the upper management is compensated. and no just because i want to end the fed, doesn't mean i support 0% minimum corp tax.

again youve provided no specifics on reducing spending to solve the question from the original OP. you're just here to argue platitudes.

>>52625292
that's partially true. but then you have to ask, who will provide a market to those unmarketable? i'm sure you'd love to gas all the boomers, but once you're 70 you'll be on the medicare train like everyone else.
there are some benefits to medicare as well. in order to get the money, hospitals are forced to meet quality standards that don't directly relate to care (pain control, going to the bathroom, allowed to make your own medical decisions). i worked in hospital management and i can guarantee without the regs, these things wouldn't happen - because they sometimes don't even with punitive results...because staff & admins are shit and not always ethical.

>>52618626
we need MORE politician to find the answer

>>52623029
please be fake

>>52618626
You don't. Use monero and just wait for it to collapse.

>>52630007
>if you defend a jew for ANY REASON, you are a jew
You're probably just trolling at this point, but I'll bite.
What if a jew says all jews should be killed and that whites should have their own ethnostate.
Did I just short circuit your robot brain?

>>52629282
>This is literally a myth, especially in regards to food
that's absolutely not a myth, provide your source otherwise

>>52630007
>nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, has any reason, incentive or moral imperative
what are evengelical christians retard?

>>52632787
Where is your source?
Almost all of the "food waste" statistics come from food that is thrown away AFTER it's been sold to consumers. ie. not the fault of businesses.
The rest of these statistics from from either:
a) Food that isn't economical to collect and process. ie. grain a grain harvester leaves behind(you'd have to hire people to collect every single grain from the field by hand, which would radically increase the price).
There is always some "waste" in food processing and American businesses are extremely efficient with the food the process because otherwise they would lose profits. America has a much lower processing waste rate than say the USSR did.
b) Food that expires before it can be sold to consumers. Businesses have a pretty low rate of waste in this regard, but it wouldn't be waste at all if the government actually ALLOWED businesses like restaurants and supermarkets to give this food to the homeless. They aren't allowed 90% of the time, and even if they did, they could get sued.

>>52632925
waste food comes from:
>homes 43%
>restaurants, grocery stores, food service companies 40%
>farms 16%
>manufacturers 2%
https://www.rts.com/resources/guides/food-waste-america/
so people throw away perfectly good food because they are misled by the expiration labels. who are putting these expiration labels? i guess food producers and supermarkets who have a financial incentives to make people waste food so they can buy more

>>52630224
1/2
>the world can't operate like this
The world should and could operate like this. In fact most of these "tax havens" like Switzerland and Ireland have large amounts of manufacturing and innovation.
>why is china prospering in a shit tax environment
They've had low taxes for a long time. Also they artificially suppress their currency making labor cheap.
>explain how cash on google' s balance sheet
savings is deflationary, that's why the government discourages savings whenever they can
If money isn't being used to bid up prices, businesses either keep prices the same or lower them. If demand is lower, price will be lower. Econ 101.
ANYTHING is better than if the government took this money and wasted it instead.
>considering no change in the product,
Why would there be no change in the product? Lower prices typically happen due to innovation in mass production.
>why invent a better machine when you can move from bangladesh to senegal one day?
Why not both? Companies have an incentive to do innovation and lower their expenses.

>>52630224
2/2
>what happens to bangladesh?
They get higher wages, we get lower prices? It's mutually beneficial.
>it's not growth.
It is growth though. If the state is taking less resources out of the economy because the business moved to a better tax area, production is made more efficient. It's the equivalent of putting a newer machine into production that results in 10% more output.
>it's a waste of time.
If this was true, we could tax companies 95% and magically have zero loss in production.
>yes these donations to an entity you personally despise
If the government was actually competent and rape us in the ass then yes, I and many more people would donate. If the economy was more productive due to having a free market, people would have more disposable income. Also, the cost of government would be much smaller than it is today. It would be very simple to have a donation based government.
>ever hear of a functional monopoly?
No such thing.
>or just use their corporate tax windfall to support their stock prices
Kek, why would they do that? They've just been buying more stock because the fed was inflating the stock price. Man, you're so delusional. Sometimes companies do the opposite to raise funds, they dilute their shares.
>because that's how the upper management is compensated
Top heavy companies would go bankrupt in a free market. You're seeing something similar in the junior mining market right now with CEOs cutting their own pay to finance operations. Companies that don't do this get fucked.

>>52633037
>waste food comes from:
>>homes 43%
>>restaurants, grocery stores, food service companies 40%
>>farms 16%
>>manufacturers 2%
>https://www.rts.com/resources/guides/food-waste-america/
None of this refutes anything I wrote.
Did you even read my post?

>they are misled by the expiration labels.
Yes, the labels the government forces companies to put on their products.
>i guess food producers and supermarkets who have a financial incentives to make people waste food so they can buy more
LMAO no, it's literally the government.
Leftists during the progressive era forced companies to do this.
Also, lets say this food was actually expiring and people just forgot about the food and didn't eat it on time.
That's their own personal choice and nothing at all to do with businesses. I'm glad we produce enough food to the point we have the option to let it go to waste if we desire.

>>52632864
Golems brainwashed into Judaism. Masons are the same just on another level.

>>52622994
>>52622977
If those clauses give then the power to do whatever they want, why did the founding fathers bother writing in the other specific powers? If providing for the general welfare means providing anything that benefits anybody, why didn't they have to also say establish post offices? Do post offices not promote welfare?

Reeeeee

>>52633237
>LMAO no, it's literally the government.
it's not the FDA at least, maybe other agencies:

"With the exception of infant formula, the laws that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) administers do not preclude the sale of food that is past the expiration date indicated on the label. FDA does not require food firms to place expired by, use by or best before dates on food products. This information is entirely at the discretion of the manufacturer."

>LMAO no, it's literally the government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_safety_in_the_United_States
but as you say, better be safe than sorry. better to throw away good food than becoming potentially ill due to food poisoning, which was frequent before the state intervened.

>>52622862
>rent free
stop

>>52633381
>maybe other agencies:
Some states require it.
Either way, it's not the primary cause of food waste and food waste isn't a big deal. If people want to waste food, they have that right.

>which was frequent before the state intervened.
It literally wasn't.
Food regulation in the USA has been a disaster.
Remember poke and sniff?

>>52624195
>show me your private highway system
Roads existed for horses and buggies for hundreds of years before the government built them.
As automobiles became mass produced and affordable to the working man (also due to free market forces), auto manufacturers and retailers created roads privately and had them open to the public. The Lincoln Highway is an example.

Before you claim they were lower quality, consider it was due to the early nature of them rather than the source of them.

>military
I thought commies took it for granted that private militaries would emerge naturally in the absense of government. There's so many ancap memes about private militaries based on this assumption.

there is no way to poke and sniff processed food or know if a food is dangerous in a restaurant. in general we need regulations to keep corporations and businesses in check and accountable. it's not an easy task because many regs have unintended consequences. rejecting all regs is as bad as being wanting the state to regulate everything imo

>>52633495
forgot (You) >>52633423

>>52618687
Hey that’s antisemitism goy, we need the greatest military on earth so we can die for Israel in an instant

>>52618626
Slash government spending, remove all regulations from all sectors of the economy (they’ll never do a thing) and replace all income taxes with some kind of excise tax I.e. you only get taxed when you make a purchase that will slow down the economy.

>>52618626
Silly question. This is America, baby, we're going to make wars across the globe and sabotage countries' economies. This is how we keep our currency strong and debt in check.

>>52633566
>remove all regulations from all sectors of the economy
that's retarded. regulations exist for a reason. remove them and you'll end up with the same problems they were meant to tackle before they existed.

>>52618626
>1.6 trillion income security
lmao this is wrong

>>52622064
The income security number is way too high.

>>52633495
>in general we need regulations to keep corporations and businesses in check and accountable.
We already have the legal system for that.
All "regulations" do is give large corporations power over competitors who aren't able to abide by the regulations.

>>52633633
>regulations exist for a reason.
Yeah, to benefit corrupt government officials and large corporations.

>you'll end up with the same problems they were meant to tackle before they existed.
What problems? These were all myths.

>>52633633
In United States, regulators are completely captured by the industries they regulate. Big Pharma execs jump to the FDA, BIg FInance execs jump to the SEC. It's a revolving door.

>>52630007
touch grass incel freak

>>52619276
It's so fucking obvious what happened bro, it's destroying me inside that no one sees it

>>52633495
Even if you believe you need regulation, you dont need to believe it must come from the government. Independent ratings agencies could give their seal of approval for food quality and restaurant cleanliness. People who are conscious of those things would be able to look for the certifications publicly displayed at the restaurants which join the organization and meet the requirements.

>>52633677
>Yeah, to benefit corrupt government officials and large corporations.
it can happen and it must be fought, but lets' not throw away the baby with the bathwater. imagine giving corporations the freedom to do what they want, like polluting the environment. in regions of the world where the state is corrupt and nonexistent, corporations dgaf and pollute at will. so how do you prevent a corporation to dump their waste in a river? how do you prevent an american corporatio to dump their waste in a river in a 3rd world country?

>>52633915
>Independent ratings agencies
like credit agencies during the subprimes crisis? we know they cant be trusted

>>52621441
Add to this Housing Assistance (section 8) rises to meet the demands of landlords. This is why in high income areas, apartments are still "rented" by unemployed and working under the table shitskins.

>>52618626
You don't. Let the system fail and then build it again so it can fail in the next 2-3 centuries.

>>52622276
Now factor in women voting, working, and raising sons as single mothers.

>>52622276
The Romans also had a grain dole. The problem then is not that these programs exist, but that there's no obvious way to stop them from expanding in a democracy, which the Romans never truly had as you implied.

>>52630303
anon, i--

Colonies, Tariffs

>>52634032
>as you implied
I didn't imply that at all, people are elected in a republic as well. The US is also a republic. The USA also has a fucking grain dole, it's called EBT. If the romans can ban old fucks from ruining things in their welfare state with free goyslop and free entertainment (also goyslop) then so can the USA. I'm not even sure what point you think you're making, because it doesn't connect to what I said at all. It's like you made this post solely to acquire a (You) from me.

>>52618644
This.
Also, they could remove the majority of the defense, and stop paying interest to the federal reserve, and get Gov out of Education and International affairs and allow insurance companies to take over for the health portion, which would lower cost, once hospitals realize they can't over charge like they once did with medicare and government intervention.
The real solution is restricting the powers of the Government and its funding. Sadly, we all know that will never happen.

>>52634025
All of that comes back to boomers since they legalized all of that shit. It is never not going to be the boomers and their jewish masters.

>>52618691
>-No longer elect populists like Obama and Trump.
"Just let jews run everything, forever".

Eliminate social security and all boomer entitlements, that would literally be a good start but it will never happen because boomers are still in power and would chimp out like fucking crazy. Also no politician would have the balls to do it.

>>52618829
>>52624277
>>52624415
What if instead of stealing people's money you stopped printing free shit for banks and corporations every ten years by banning bailouts?
>whoa, suddenly inflation is way down and rich people aren't spontaneously getting richer while the poor get poorer
No? Too hard?

>>52632782
>continues to argue disingenuously with whatifs and exceptions
Rumao.

>Close tax loopholes, and simplify tax code in such a way the trillion dollar corporations don’t get to keep getting away with not paying taxes
>federally mandated removal of “right to work” laws and enforce unionization of every single industry below the management level
>remove minimum wage laws, but adopt Swedish practice of legally obligating employer to negotiate with unions
>taxpayer funded higher education for essential career fields (tranny bigger dick worship degrees will be paid for out of pocket)
>Medicare for all it’s already been proven to be cheaper per capita than our Frankenstein system because preventative care is more cost effective than millions of poorfags waiting until the last minute to go to the hospital
>complete fucking ban on goyslop and seriously improve health and fitness education (no you fat fucking retards you aren’t smart enough to take care of yourselves and you do need a nanny state because if you didn’t we wouldn’t have such high obesity rates and the costs associated with it)
>deport all niggers and spices less than 75% white
>exterminate all Jews and Pajeets in minecraft
>ban anymore Asians
>slash defense spending, leave nato, and end all unconstitutional foreign wars, return to the Monroe Doctrine
>cut foreign aid down, do not help any country outside the western hemisphere, only help in times of natural disaster, or with mutually harmful issues (send the US military into Mexico to wipe out the cartels for example)
>transition from fossil fuels to nuclear energy, especially thorium based nuclear energy
>when successful transition is complete THEN start pushing for electric cars
>deport all trannies, and homos to Europe
>invest in a national reserve of Bitcoin, and Monero
There I fixed the country

>>52634158
*also outlaw fractional reserve banking either prove you’ve got the money on a weekly basis to a credibly body of oversight or fuck off

>>52622064
what the fuck I thought Murrica was a nation without gibsmedat? How the fuck can it literally be THE largest money sink of the government's balance sheet? LMAO
Also if "income security" is basically social security, then what the fuck is the social security for??

>>52634239
Income security isn’t “basically social security” and America’s gibs are incredibly inefficient and are basically just abused by the lowest common denominators of society (white trash, niggers, spics) without any positive social spending to actually improve their lot in life long term

>>52634158
Holy based
unfortunately this would probably get you assassinated by the CIA

>>52634325
That reminds me
>execute every single member of any US intelligent agency for treason

>>52618626
Mabey if they stop giving free money to niggers and stop policing the world their would not be a deficit.

>>52619276
COVID-19, also known as the government's latest attempt to fix Social Security.

>>52634158
>Close tax loopholes, and simplify tax code in such a way the trillion dollar corporations don’t get to keep getting away with not paying taxes
loopholes allow us corporations to evade 700B/year of taxes

>>52621375
The lack of zoning also has the bonus effect of making the city layout more walkable and comfy, especially in Tokyo

>>52618626
>.ru

>>52634670
I forgot to add, the deficit is already half way gone thanks to biden reducing government spending. Stop responding to vatnik threads.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/21/us-budget-deficit-cut-in-half-for-biggest-decrease-ever-amid-covid-spending-declines.html

>>52618626
Income tax just barely covers unemployment and social security. God damn.
The only solution is to let the poors die off without support, or even push it into happening quickly with a nice war. I dislike that this is the best option, but we've generated far too much dead weight to survive long term as things are.

>>52621375
>their rents haven't gone up in 20 years.
it's wrong for korea. for japan it's easy to understand why: no population growth since 2000
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/population-growth-rate

>>52618626
just print more money

>>52633948
>like polluting the environment.
Government and lack of property rights is why they can do this. A free market would make polluting rivers and lakes punished extremely harshly.
If everything is privatized, if someone polluted your river, you would sue them into bankruptcy.
>in regions of the world where the state is corrupt and nonexistent, corporations dgaf and pollute at will.
This only proves my point. In these places, the state controls most things and there is no rule of law.
>how do you prevent an american corporatio to dump their waste in a river in a 3rd world country?
Property rights.

>>52634144
Not an argument, schizo.

>>52634158
>>52634325
Holy fuck this is the dumbest post in this thread. You're a retarded communist.
>and simplify tax code in such a way the trillion dollar corporations don’t get to keep getting away with not paying taxes
Why do you want the feds to have even more money. We need to slash corporate taxes across the board, especially for small businesses.
>>federally mandated removal of “right to work” laws and enforce unionization of every single industry below the management level
lmao kill yourself
You're advocating for a completely stagnant economy where businesses have a really hard time producing and everyone has to join a shitty union just to get hired.
>>taxpayer funded higher education for essential career fields
Government funding of higher education is literally the reason it's so worthless and corrupt.
>>Medicare for all
Government involvement in healthcare is the reason it's so expensive. Eat shit.
>>complete fucking ban on goyslop
You want poor people to pay MORE for food. I'm not eating the bugs, kill yourself.
>>transition from fossil fuels to nuclear energy, especially thorium based nuclear energy
Literally the only based thing you've said. But forcing a transition away from fossil fuels is dumb.

>>52634770
>it's wrong for korea
They've gone up slightly. My point about zoning still stands.

>1.6 trillion for income security
Where does this number come from? SSI+SSDI is about 200 billion.

>>52622237
they don't need that many zogbots anymore, they have advanced tech now, could just zap you from the heavens and disintegrate your molecules or fry you with radiation

tldr; zogbots not needed, that's why it's full blown trans and homo agenda in the US military now

>>52618626
Here's a tool that lets you fix the 2022 budget yourself, It has more accurate numbers.
https://us.abalancingact.com/2022-federal-budget

>>52635195
>you’re a communist
Sorry I believe in hierarchy, private property that generates profits, traditional religion, and am a nationalist. Pretty much the antithesis of communism. You do realize there’s more than communism and capitalism right lolsperg? You aren’t a brain dead retard are you? You know you dumb neocons are dying out right? Because you’ve ruined everything

>>52636231
>traditional religion, and am a nationalist.
kill yourself faggot
>You do realize there’s more than communism and capitalism right lolsperg?
Sure, you're still a communist though. National Socialist manchildren are simply massive leftoids economically. You're repeating debunked Bernie Sanders rhetoric and ideas.
There's a reason why Libertarian chads stomp your skulls in, in debates.
>You know you dumb neocons
lol LOL LMFAO
OH NO NO NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This guy is calling a Libertarian a neocon HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>Because you’ve ruined everything
Yes, Libertarians have been in charge the past 50 years. Libertarians created the federal reserve, Libertarians are responsible for the massive levels of government intervention the past 50 years. You are very smart.

>>52636605
Ok boomer that’s nice
>>>/r/libertarian

>>52636616
>advocates for extreme interventionists like his FDR boomer parents did
okay boomer, why don't you move to Greece, Argentina or Spain if you love social democracy so much?

>>52635195
>schizo
THERE HE GOES AGAIN
All he can do is argue disingenuously.

>>52618626
wait wheres expenditure for ukraine? it should be like 4th on the list

>>52618687
Without the ability to obliterate any nation at will the dollar would be worth nothing. The entire global economy and order rest on America's ability to protect Jewish interests by force.

>>52636984
>All he can do is argue disingenuously.
coming from the schizo who wrote this post: >>52630007

Science will find a solution to this in a hundred years.

>>52618626
The only "fix" will be pic related until the currency is destroyed.

>>52633193
1. except switzerland and ireland don't have manufacturing merely because they're tax havens. many places with taxes manufacture a la US
2.cool so the gooberment just has to step in to make their manufacturing base a success despite low taxes. kind of counter to your point
3. savings are not deflationary unless they're in cash which they almost never are. the capital is just allocated to something else. and i thought the whole point was to not tax to improve productivity, not just stick it in US treasurys so the government can borrow at cheaper rates
4. why would you change a product with shit margins and ever shrinking prices? you sound pretty business illiterate.
5 why innovate a new machine when you can just get ranjeesh to take a paycut?
6. bangladesh will not end up with higher wages in that scenario
7. cool so there's zero chance of an owner/manager/shareholder from just pocketing the difference. all extra money goes into production even when the business environment doesn't warrant it. sounds reasonable! /s
8. sure, the bill and melinda gates foundation isn't a fundamentally evil group which killed african children and wanted to essentially do a technoloogy transfer to china regarding nuke reactors. but hey, at least they're a private entity and surely can allocate resources in my best interest. i will give you that gooberments are retarded but they still serve a function. you're arguing for some anarchist scenario which is retarded.
9. >why would they do that
i dunno, ask them, because that's exactly what happened in 2018 you retard. companies invest in productivity when the market warrants it, not from a windfall in tax structure.
10. what is tesla? see elon's compensation and you tell me why tesla isn't brankrupt.

>>52637655
>1
The US manufacturing base has been destroyed the past 50 years due to taxes and government intervention.
Countries with the least taxes and lowest intervention have the highest productivity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Tiger
>cool so the gooberment just has to step in
No. I said the government ALSO does another thing besides having the benefit of low taxes.
>savings are not deflationary unless they're in cash
That's the definition of savings.
>the capital is just allocated to something else
If it's allocated to production and this production results in higher productivity, then it's even more production than regular savings is.
>why would you change a product with shit margins and ever shrinking prices
What do you mean "change"? I have no idea what your point is here.
>5
I already said why not do b_o_th. B0_th of these things are beneficial and good. Why not send production overseas AND add new machines? Companies do this all the time.
>6
Yes they will. Sending production to third world nations always results in higher wages for those people. That's how countries develop in the first place.
>7
They will both lower prices and pocket cash. This is beneficially for everyone.
>even when the business environment doesn't warrant it.
But lmao businesses literally do this all the time. How clueless are you friend?
Businesses can make profit, but if they want more profit, or if a competitor is in the market, they will innovate/invest more.

>>52637655
8) They are evil. What is your point?
>at least they're a private entity and surely can allocate resources in my best interest.
So all private entities are bad and the government should control everything?
>i will give you that gooberments are retarded but they still serve a function.
Yes, to exploit society. The lower amount of funds the state has, the better.
>you're arguing for some anarchist scenario which is retarded.
I literally just want to go back to the laws of the gilded age, which was the most based era in american history.
>because that's exactly what happened in 2018
Literally all of this is due to the fed pumping up stock prices. It normally wouldn't happen as much as it did. The fed made it so investing in stock is more profitable than producing.
Even if they did this sometimes, it's not fundamentally a bad thing, shareholders should be rewarded for investing if it makes financial sense for the company to do so.
This is still FAR more beneficial than if the government took this money and wasted it on consumption. Savings and investment is deflationary.

>companies invest in productivity when the market warrants it, not from a windfall in tax structure.
If there was less taxes, the market would warrant it. Imagine not investing your new found funds when your competitors are planning on investing and will eventually outcompete you.
Bottom line is if you were correct, we could tax companies 95% and magically have zero loss in production.
You're wrong.

>>52618626
Build "welfare" towns in the middle of nowhere that separate the homeless and those living off of the government
Create jobs meant to allow any city to function and the hardest jobs are taught free of charge
This method will allow the insane amount of homeless and welfare money to be properly utilized and give guaranteed jobs to people who would have otherwise abused the system or simply do not have access to achieve higher learning/career options
You don't work you are kicked out but not a single penny of support will be given to those who leave.
The government can secure food contracts to guarantee food sales to farmers who would otherwise have to dump it all before it rots

>>52637993
Do you think you are putting too much faith in the invisible guiding hand of a free market to naturally regulate today's corporations?

>gilded age, which was the most based era in american history
At least you are consistent with your convictions but I am not sure how living in a corporatocracy is much better than what we have now.

Also, I don't think you will ever get anything similar to a gilded age since majority of large, American corporations today are multinational and may not have the interests of Americans in mind.

>>52618626
>raise corporate income taxes, ensure each state has the same rate of corporate tax
>keep income security the same, but lower social security
>increase funding in agriculture to prepare for the collapse of western civilisation
>'transportation' is just bussing basketball americans into white suburban schools to maintain the facade that niggers are capable of living in any form of a cohesive society, so cut it completely
>stop paying interest. that's what "national defense" is for

>>52636643
Because I have blood and soil connections to my people, and I want to work to their betterment stupid nigger. That’s like asking why I don’t renounce my family that gambles and adopt new family members with preferable habits. Stupid nigger brained lolsperg.

>>52618626
Easy, add 2770 billion in revenue to the individual income taxes.

What are you gonna do about it? bust a window open in the capitol?

>>52618626
Public sector deficit is private sector surplus. Study MMT and you'll learn deficits are not and issue. But if this money is going to jew-owned businesses, it may be a good idea to slash it.

>>52637993
>I literally just want to go back to the laws of the gilded age, which was the most based era in american history.
if it was so based, then why was there a growing anticorporation sentiment among the people? you just dont understand that a society which doesnt redistribute wealth can not work. it has been shown time and time again. concentration of power and wealth would lead to a revolution of the plebs

>>52639411
Revolution no longer possible, the technological advantage is finally becoming enough to be insurmountable. They see everything, control the information exchange, and if the plebs somehow get past that the swarms of killdrones will get deployed.

>>52618626
No welfare, minimalist defensive border military; problems solved.

>>52639411
>then why was there a growing anticorporation sentiment among the people?
There wasn't. You've been brainwashed by left wing revisionism. Unions and workers movements were around 5% of the workforce.

>ou just dont understand that a society which doesnt redistribute wealth can not work.
Societies that redistribute wealth end up stagnant and poor.
Societies that do, end up like the gilded age, which was a massive success and had the highest real wages on earth at that point.

>The rapid expansion of industrialization led to real wage growth of 60% between 1860 and 1890, and spread across the ever-increasing labor force. The average annual wage per industrial worker (including men, women, and children) rose from $380 in 1880, to $564 in 1890, a gain of 48%.[1]

>concentration of power and wealth would lead to a revolution of the plebs
I don't want a concentration of power.
Also a free market leads to a less concentration of wealth.

>>52639127
>Study MMT and you'll learn deficits are not and issue.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
How can ANYONE support the absolute fraud that is MMT after the inflation we've experienced?
Kill yourself you bootlicking subhuman manbaby.

>jew-owned
You literally support a jewish ideology.

>>52618626
Funny how seigniorage and world reserve currency status/forex isn’t included in receipts.

>>52640176
Inflation was from the war in Ukraine retard

>>52640176
You're arguing with an 80IQ NPC. These people literally think that the solution to a broken window is to just break more windows, infinitely.

You can't even have a discussion about why it's retarded, because MMT is such a kike cult that they worship and the absolute authority, and the only reason anyone could ever criticize it is if they don't know what they're talking about. They immediately go into circular logic with their own beliefs.

>>52640220
>Inflation was from the war in Ukraine retard
lmao okay Biden
Nobody is falling for this horseshit.
It was rising like crazy before the war started.

>>52640246
>These people literally think that the solution to a broken window is to just break more windows, infinitely.
Based Bastiat chad.

>>52640246
MMT is how money actually works retard. Do you want to run a surplus until all money is destroyed and the private sector has no way of making payments?

>>52640316
>MMT is how money actually works retard.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Holy shit how do you retards exist?
Your ideology has been debunked by both theory and history. You people should be regarded as flat earthers at this point.
There's a reason why austrian school economists always destroy you in debates.
How do you look at the inflation we are experiencing and think we need to print even MORE money?
>Do you want to run a surplus until all money is destroyed and the private sector has no way of making payments?
I want to radically cut government spending and taxes down to almost nothing.

>>52640316
See what I mean
>Break more infinite windows to stimulate the economy. Just start a new country in 300 years if it fails

>>52618649
Discriminate against them.
Do not do business with them. Once you ascertain that they are Jewish, politely end the meeting and exit all possible communications with them.
This is how they remain so strong. Then they make it "illegal" to have preference for your own sane peoples.
So if you want to get ahead financially. Shut the door on your enemies.

>>52640316
MMT is abusing the global leverage of the US dollar, which is finite, the limits of which no one really knows. You can't keep multiplying the money supply without testing the limits of that resource, yet MMT acts as though those limits do not exist and an infinite amount of dollars in circulation will have no adverse effects.

Even if it isn't being immediately dumped into the consumer economy to affect the things they use to mark inflation, that vast hoard of dollars being ever multiplied still represents a transfer of power, and an enormous existential risk.

>>52618829
You and your buddy are mentally deficient.

>>52640673
MMT says the limit of deficit spending is when the State starts competing with private spending and driving up prices. During 2020 governments destroyed the supply of goods and stimulated demand by deficit spending, causing inflation. And also there were supply chain shocks in 2020 and 2021. You and the other anons don't actually understand MMT, just argue with strawmen.

>>52618626
Stop spending billions on israel, ukraine, and cut ssi bullshit

>>52641325
I don't think you actually read my post. The core idea of MMT is that money supply is irrelevant and spending only needs to be countered with taxes when consumer-price measures of inflation go up. That's not a strawman, that's what they actually believe:
>MMT says that governments create new money by using fiscal policy and that the primary risk once the economy reaches full employment is inflation, which can be addressed by gathering taxes to reduce the spending capacity of the private sector.[8]
This ignores the reality that those dollars are still out there somewhere, even if "inflation" is fine.

>>52641574
It also ignores the fact that the quality of life and purchasing power of the dollar gets weaker and weaker, even without inflation.

>>52640673
>infinite amount of dollars in circulation will have no adverse effects
That's what 1% elites want you to think. They don't really care about future, not even about 5 years from now. They just skimming off the top with every new cirlce of this ponzi scheme, so they goal is not to reduce the debt burden, but amplify it instead. The longer this ponzi scheme is working the more they are well off. And to work this ponzi scheme needs to increase the debt burden with every round of a spiral, otherwise the scheme will not work. So instead of reducing debt and makes the economy healthier they are like a bunch of parasites - plunging american economy deeper and deeper not even into crisis, but rather into state far worse than point of no return. They basically destroying american economy, the future of american economy to be precise, and they're doing it absolutely deliberately, because as many will say "5 minutes of being rich is far better than 100 years of poverty". So, you, younger generation will found yourself empty-handed just in a few years, just on the next round of the spiral. Because spiral is on it's last round and scheme is falling apart. The moment when planet will stop lend america is near. People already grasped the concept and it's already going to the point of breakdown. And without lenders america is dead. You're living on borrowed time and on borrowed money, without ability to borrow you're dead as a country the next day.

>>52635195
>completely stagnant economy
Nigga, do you realize that most of americans are not even white to this point. I'm not talking about boomers who are mostly a burden for budget, but about younger generations. Darkies never produced any significant amount of GDP in any country in history and never will. To make real (not on paper) economy rising you need to make white people to reproduce faster or at least import them. And current governmanet will never do that for simple reason. Because if on long distance this is sane and profitable politics - on short distance it's not. And they care only about next 5 minutes of being rich. Amishes doubled in population past decade, but nevermind. Asian nations are on peak of it's development - it will never be any better so there's no point of imprting them also and to improve your economy you have only one real method - to make young white population rising in numbers. Darkies don't like to work and the more you have them in your country - the more stagnant your economy will be. Not to say that it's already declining economy. If economy can't exist without borrowing - it's not working, it's collapsing economy. And guess what? Amercan economy can't exist without borrowing whatsoever.

>>52641574
You said before that MMTers believe that money supply is irrelevant but now you say they believe it needs to be balanced with taxes. That's true in some cases. When the economy is at full employment further spending would increse inflation. During the Covid quarantines, a lot of people lost their jobs and then the so called "automatic stabilizers" (unemployment benefits) kicked in and deficit went up.

I think that your concern about hoarded dollars is right. If people started spending their saved dollars, prices would rise, but that should also increase tax income and tend to reduce the deficit.

>>52642664
>You said before that MMTers believe that money supply is irrelevant but now you say they believe it needs to be balanced with taxes.
No, because they regard inflation and money supply as separate.
> If people started spending their saved dollars, prices would rise, but that should also increase tax income and tend to reduce the deficit.
I am more concerned about balance of power than the savings of normal people. This trillions of newly created cash is definitely not ending up with the average person, it is going to corporations and the very wealthy and increasing the gulf of wealth inequality. Those entities aren't going to spend it on milk and videogames, but they are going to use it in one way or another to increase their control over society.

>>52618626
Get rid of OASI component of social security, medicare, and medicaid. 50% spending reduction overnight, and clears over a hundred trillion in unfunded obligations.

We mathematically cannot pay for these programs, the idea that we could was rooted in having the ability to incur unpayable amounts of debt, not in any kind of economic reality.

>>52618626

the nation is literally just funding old people's retirement. medicare, medicaid, social security, healthcare, etc. is all utilized by old people

>>52624437
>quadruple veteran's benefits

lmao what. they're already out of control with so much free money flowing around. the VA sucks and more money won't fix it. many service members abuse disability payments. college is already paid for, and there's basically life long benefits of being a service member. sure, you get ptsd, lose an arm or leg, or whatever, but you knew full fucking well you were signing up to be in the military when you did it. we do not have compulsory service

>>52622222
checked
welfare is defense against your own citizens

>>52619546
Foreign aid isn't actually "foreign aid", it's how glowniggers exert soft power. It's basically bribes to promote nigger faggotry all around the world.

>>52618626
Raise the following
>Corporate tax
>Custom duties
>stamp duties
>excise taxes (especially this one. harmful things such as gambling, alcohol, addictive but legal drugs not used for medicinal purposes, tobacco, guns, ammunition etc)
Things to reduce
>spending of every kind, especially the army, only navy and airforce are to be untouched.
>income tax
>income security (to be removed completely and replaced with something else)

Social security is garbage. People should be taxed and a portion of that tax should go into a separate account where it will accumulate and then be used to pay out pensions when the guy hits 65. If the guy never worked, no pensions. The funds can be used by the government to invest and make bank which will be used to increase reserves and not to use for spending.

>>52643151
yeah, baby, human population planning, yeah, baby, family planning... I'm childfree, I'm gonna live all my life happily without any kids. OOOOPS now nobody making kids for decades already and now we have an army of boomers to feed

no, we don't need more than 500 millions on earth... sure, man, now enjoy your society of elders who you need to feed. Nigerian and Indian economy feels better at this point just because nobody cares on population control

same shit all around, elites don't need competition in the fight for resources so they restrict simple people from reproducing

OOOOPS we're out of budget proficit now, because it's young people who really produce GDP shiiiiitt nigga OOOOPS

OOOOPS nigga OOOOPS

>>52629328
>The only solution is violence that would kill tens of millions and completely reset our society. Nobody is going to do that.
Isn't that literally what they are working on right now?

>>52618626
Where the fuck is all the health money going to in burgerland.

>>52619276
It really didn't kill that much people compared to the flu

>>52645843
Hey don't talk about it! We can't extort the "free" healthcare in the future if they know we're spending as much as the UK on healthcare per capita already! Americans need to continue to believe that the government simply hasn't got enough money.

>>52645843
>haas
>health as a subscription

test

>>52618626
Scrap it all and do UBI.