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>> No.52526953

CASH BASTARDS WILL REAP THE SPOILS
A
S
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2023-2025

>> No.52526968

Yknow... I think jerome is going to continue the rape hikes, fr fr. Gonna hedge my long portfolio with some TMV at the start of December.

>> No.52526983

>>52526968
He is but 50 bps will be bullish for some reason

>> No.52526986

vtsax and relax

>> No.52526989
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Sup sluts

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>>52526915
Long gas:
-europe 100% doesnt have enough storage
-any fuck up to the supply chain due to sabotage/sanctions/global insecurity in general will instantly slam the price higher

Short oil companies
-We are bound to see a correction after the 3 straight years of giga pump. -Plenty of geopolitics at play from Biden pressuring SA to courting venezuela to reform and allow exxon to produce
-debt is more expensive due to rate hikes and capex will be limited
-government subsidies for hydrogen and other clean energy skyrocketing

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Trump is reinstated by Elon

IS this bullish?????

>> No.52526995

>>52526983
priced in
75bps would heem

>> No.52527010
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I just wish I could daytrade for a living.

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>>52527010
>I just wish I could daytrade for a living

>> No.52527029
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We are getting a Santa Rally. I am a bear. And I am still bearish for next year. Once the Fed pivots it will crash even harder... next year... but this year we end the year with the MUMU BULLS.

>> No.52527044

>>52527029
did you make money off of ying you were shilling or did you sell early?

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>>52527010
To daytrade for a living you must understand yourself and the markets. You must have no emotions. otherwise you will not last long trying to fight and beat the market. It's about riding the markets like the a surfer rides the waves. If you try to fight the market like a boxer you will get eaten alive and your health will deteriorate.

>> No.52527064

>>52526995
yeah but cpi is probaby going to be lower for November

>> No.52527066

>>52527044
I sold my Yang way before it crashed. I missed the top at $38 though. I knew it was going to crash so I went long instead of short. I was one and 1/2 week early. I'll buy back in later this year.

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I'm not going to lie to you guys. The crabbing in the market lately has been making me acutely horny

>> No.52527087
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Long:
>VIX futures
>UUP
>Gold futures

Short:
>E-mini S&P 500 futures
>QQQ (shares)
>XOM (via puts)
>XLE (via puts)

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>>52526992
>Exxon Mobil Says On December 8, 2022, Co Intends To Release Additional Details About Its Corporate Plans Including Capital Plans To 2027
This is five days before CPI. Maybe they're trying to get ahead of it (and the Fed speech the next day) to say what they're doing to tackle inflation. Biden admin has Exxon in their crosshairs. Maybe they'll say something regarding
>Muh Venezuela
but oo boy whole lotta speculatin goin on

>> No.52527110

>>52527066
I went long and it immediately tanked another 15%, I almost went in for double the position but halved it at the last second. Since it recovered I ended up a small ~4%. Long term hold broad chinese index.

Xi needs to show he is willing to work with hong kong bankers for me to put more money in, but right now it's near consensus they're going to be jobless soon. Apparently he is not fond of the financial industry

>> No.52527111

>>52527029
You, my neighbor, CNBC, zerohedge, my grandma and my grandma’s dog thinks we get a Santa Claus rally. Max pain is we just nuke straight from here to 3300 by EOY.

>> No.52527115

Is CSRQ real?

>> No.52527121

>>52527087
Long:
CTRA
LNG
EQT
CNX
SWN
MOS
COIN
FNKO

Short:
CVX
MRO
AAPL
SBUX
TAN

>> No.52527122

>>52527010
me too but i suck ass at daytrading

>> No.52527159

>>52527087
Explain your gold thesis

>> No.52527190

>>52527159
>central banks buying
>bond yields topped
>hedge for DXY/UUP long

>> No.52527205

>>52527190
Is there anything else to buy besides Gold Futures? I don't wanna mess with that. Stocks?

>> No.52527214

>>52527083
i like it cuz it gave me more time to put my bonus cash in

>> No.52527216

>>52527122
I'm okay at it but I'm starting from practically nothing, i can only afford to put in 100 dollars a month so i won't be to where i can make a living off gains for at least another year even if i make 30 or 40% average monthly gains

>> No.52527222

>>52527216
i'm fucking terrible at it i've lost 80 grand this year

>> No.52527225

>>52527205
GLD or miners: GDX GDXJ

I think gold is the next big macro rotation. It will be more clear after the next Fed meeting.

>> No.52527230

>>52526968
Stock market doesnt bottom out until a couple months after rape.

>> No.52527231

>>52527222
So that's $80k realized losses?

>> No.52527238

>>52527231
hell yeah

>> No.52527243
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>>52527010
"Daytrading" is a meme. My average trade is like 1-2 week hold. Most of the price action is after hours or premarket. Daytraders are retarded.

>>52527051
Ngmi/post your bags/everything you say is always dumb as fuck. I use pure unadulterated autism and rage to fight the market and it just makes my dick harder every morning

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>>52527111
Check the Puts to call Ratio. We are near all time highs. The general consensus is the market is going to crash. Not rally.

Corporations are doing buy backs. 401ks ETF's. ETF buys fangs. CPI is almost guaranteed to come in lower next month. The bulls will be motivated to push this market back up. There is no other catalyst to crash this market. Powell's Speech on November 30th and dec 14th fed meeting may crash markets, but it will retrace pretty quickly.

>> No.52527248

guys I have been thinking about accumulating lab grown meat stocks for the next 5 years on a monthly basis.

I know no self respecting person would want to eat those but since we are run by sjw faggots I think it is safe to assume at some point in the future, real meat will be banned (or at least regulated to a quota) and we will be dependant on meat grown from animal stem cells

any thoughts

>> No.52527253

>>52527020
>you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like

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>>52527238

>> No.52527260

>>52527245
CPI will come in between .4-.6%.

>> No.52527274

>>52526992
there are 30+ ships just sitting there waiting to unload their LNG, due to the surplus, and due to the bottleneck at unloading backlog
they cannot store any more gas - maximum storage plus a fuck ton of ships just sitting waiting til the price goes higher
US gas expected freeport to come online early November - priced in that this would move US flows to deficit if freeport was drawing 2bcf
that's not happening anymore, so US gas will have surplus in supply with shipping already at limits
so I disagree with your points and basis for being long natural gas
with that said, it's possible natural gas moves higher. but that is only / would only be because of increased heating days in forecasts, especially if the heating days are in the US
it won't matter as much if there are increased heating days in europe / asia now if freeport is delayed to full restart until march - they'll still move prices don't get me wrong, but we're already at maximum export capacity, and market expected freeport to be flowing weeks ago
if natural gas falls, I'm buying, to play the rally(s)
but I don't think it's a buy and hold trade

>> No.52527276

>>52527216
>100 dollars a month
>make a living off gains for at least another year

BUDDY you got a lot longer than another year if you can only put $1200 per year in. holy shit. you gotta be 18 to post here

>> No.52527277

This week marked my 1 year anniversary as a proud member of cash gang

>> No.52527282

>>52527248
if it tastes the same why would you want an animal to suffer instead

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>>52527243
I'm going to go long during the next dip. I hold commodities.

>> No.52527290

>>52527245
I actually make money/post my trades and I am 100% short and cash.. gook poster is the worst investor on smg and is bullish. Pick your teams niggas...

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>>52527083

>> No.52527297

>>52527282
uhh because the more it hurts for them the better it feels for me
also it's funny

>> No.52527303

>>52527276
100 a month is a lot for some countries burger

>> No.52527307

Lottery anon, can you advance sex-robot-waifu tech with your winnings?

>> No.52527310

>>52527282
idk why do i prefer sex to jerking off
life is a mystery

>> No.52527319

>>52527248
>I know no self respecting person would want to eat those
>real meat
Do you even know what lab-grown meat is? They could be good picks though, it's nutritionally superior and far more economical than normal meat. That's not accounting for the nitrogen quotas, carbon quotas, and runoff quotas .gov is going to shove down every farmers throat in the coming years.

>>52527282
>suffer
No domesticated animal is even self-aware, let alone suffering.

>> No.52527328

>>52527245
Put call ratio stopped mattering after the introduction of 0DTE options. Put/call can swing from max bearish to max bullish in a day, so what signal is there?

>> No.52527331

>>52527319
But anon, you’re a domesticated animal.

>> No.52527332

>>52527319
all animals are self aware fucking retard or else they would be incapable of not killing themselves on a dily basis

>> No.52527341

>>52527248
>lab meat stocks
I’m all ears. Let’s hear some names

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>>52527331
>>52527332
>>52527319
>>52527282

ok can we fucking stop with the morality of lab grown meat and focus on the intrinsic/monetary value

>> No.52527348

>>52527331
>He thinks he's posting with humans

>>52527332
We had this conversation a week ago. Your anthropomorphization is delusional.

>> No.52527356

>>52527341
this is an article I found the other day

https://investorjunkie.com/investing/how-to-invest-in-lab-grown-meat/

>> No.52527362

>>52527348
watch a horse move through a forest
if they weren't self aware they wouldn't be able navigate the physical world
simple as

>> No.52527363

>>52527348
Computers are just domesticated rocks

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>>52527328
Stopped mattering? Ok. bud. It's just one indicator I look at.

There is no catalyst that will set this market making new lows until next earnings season where company after company will hit them with bad news. It'll take a lot of pounding for these bulls to back off.

If you are a real seasoned trader you would know this period is the WORST time to short the market.

>> No.52527378

>>52527347
Humans domesticate other humans. The ethicality of eating cow meat is in line with the ethics of eating humans. I for one am pro cannibalism

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>>52527243
On your average trade, what are you looking at the moment you decide to make it, what are you expecting to happen over that 1-2 week span, how are you arriving at that expectation?

>> No.52527389

>>52526929
I'm probably not gonna get a raise coming up. I need to really talk to my boss about it because they keep reorganizing my company and I don't have a fucking clue how to get one anymore. My old boss just automatically put in requests for my team, new boss probably would want me to have one too but (((corporate))) needs me to take it up the ass an extra year. Which would suck since I have a comfy WFH gig and I'm not gonna be able to find a new one anytime soon.

I'm also chucking an extra 80-100 bucks evey twoo weeks at the new benefits, mainly because I'm gonna max my FSA next year. And then I have an extra ~250/mo about to go to student loans. I'm gonna get fucking grilled in the new year because of this inflation shit kek

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>>52527381
>>52527243
Shit, wrong picrel, like I said, I save some of your postings to study. This is what I intended.

>> No.52527401

>>52527389
get some girls addicted to meth and pimp them out as camwhores it's the only way to get ahead in the world today. Bonus points if they have kids you can take their welfare bennies

>> No.52527402

>>52527366
You faggots already pumped the markets 17% trying to front run a fed pivot and with fraudulently manipulated earnings reports (guide down 50%, wow it's a beat!) Just so faggot hedges could get their bonuses for the end of the year. There is absolutely no bullish thesis left anymore and the whole pump was horseshit to begin with. The charts even look like a fucking Bart.. I dunno man you are the fucking worst poster on /smg/ by far

>>52527356

Why the fuck would you invest in that shit instead of literally fucking anything else?

>> No.52527419

>>52527401
kek i do have an addy script, but frankly I'm sloppy, feds would be on me in a heartbeat and I'd rather not lose my happy pills, so don't worry about me glowies, I just wanna be happy while waging

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11 minutes to movie night! Spookmonth is over for now unfortunate, but tonite's feature is Den of Thieves (2018), starring Gerard Butler and Curtis "50" James "Fiddy" Jackson "Cent" III

>> No.52527449

>>52527419
Pimp kids on tiktok
Safe & legal

>> No.52527454

>>52527402
are you dense anon, obviously animal slaughtering will face serious regulations in the next 10 years. lab grown meat is how you profit from this

>> No.52527458

>>52527402
I agree. I'm expecting a dump until the CPI print, then we'll get a bump, Jerome will be hawkish but he won't slam the market like he did last time so we'll get a nice bounce off those two days which will be the santa rally and then we're going to resume crashing like a lead balloon after the new year. The faster we dump now the better as it will give space for a nice CPI/Fed day bounce. I'm expecting this week to be very red.

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>>52527402
>why would you invest in something that is guaranteed to be a huge seller once shit gets right

>> No.52527470

>>52527454
Delusional

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>>52527399
Way too much time following certain tickers/catalysts/macro/news.

The debt market is fucked. Consumers are literally just debt maxed on credit cards and pay day advances (with increasing interest). Q4 earnings will be ass and then starts the "oh shit I got laid off and can't pay my variable rate mortgage on $500,000 house"

7.7% inflation isn't bullish

December we will have a rate hike and even if it's 50bps (priced in) it isn't bullish and is just going to fuck normies on the brink even more

My thesis is lows aren't until 2023 I just play momentum on the way down and short every retail retard "pivot, hekkin it's the peak inflation" rally and go bullish whenever good poster starts shilling puts at 350 SPY again like a fucking retard

>> No.52527498

>>52527470
how out of touch with the world you need to be to say this
look at the vax regulations retard, if someone told you 5 years ago that you needed a specific vaccination to travel, you might have uttered the same words
>Delusional

>> No.52527501

>>52527402
Getting mad at the market because its not trading how you want it to makes you look stupid.

>> No.52527514

>>52527485
Inflation month/month is still extremely elevated.

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Movie night movie night, get in here! Tonite's feature is Den of Thieves (2018)!

>> No.52527523

>>52527498
People didn't resist the vax because they could switch jobs or just get a test and they're allowed to travel. It effectively had little impact on anyone's life.
if you try telling people they're not allowed to eat meat or eggs again you're going to be hung from a lamppost before you can finish the sentence. A civil war would start and that wouldn't be good for stocks.

>> No.52527530

>>52527402
>You faggots already pumped the markets 17% trying to front run a fed pivot and with fraudulently manipulated earnings reports
This is impressive, you sure you don't have us confused with /pmg/?

>>52527454
It's not about slaughtering, the pushback is on the agricultural nitrogen footprints and other environmental 'concerns'

>>52527362
>if they weren't self aware they wouldn't be able navigate the physical world
Literally no (zero) psychologist or zoologist identifies animal locomotion with self-awareness. Even if that is what you are pretending to mean by self-awareness, (it's not) you have not associated it with suffering.

I reiterate: no animal used in agriculture if self-aware, sapient, or capable of suffering.

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>>52527501
I fucking love this market. I'm mad at the stupid fucking gook poster.

I literally exactly played the 400 top and 390 bottom last week like a fucking psychic for a conservative 27% realized gains in 5 days

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uh boomer bros?

>> No.52527558
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>put high dividend REITs in roth IRA
>reinvest dividends into REITs
>tax advantaged for rest of life
>infinite money loop with little risk, hospitals will never stop getting patients, cucksheds will never stop finding paypigs, shopping centers will never stop getting customers
>literal be my own blackrock and have computers play landlord for you

what is the downside risk here? I feel like this is cheat codes.

>> No.52527562

>>52527485
So essentially you are looking for retardation indicators and you've gotten a feel for how long it takes them to play out, and you wait on the other side of their humps with your bets against them?

>> No.52527579

>>52526929
is 34y10m too old for a woman? I met this girl who is beautiful but her age scares me. I am not ready for kids yet. Plus I have regular sex w/a 22 yo half japanese. I creampie her anytime I want. She loves sex more than me.

Should I keep trying to make it and may within the next 3 to 5y I'll find someone I really love and want?

This 34yo would be perfect had she been at least 5y younger.

>> No.52527605

>>52527562
Anon there's no decent retail trader who can teach you to trade because a lot of it is just gut feeling after you read enough news headlines and stare at enough charts. You can be taught general rules of thumb but that's as far as it goes.

I've seen traders take people under their wing and put them next to them at their trading desk for weeks, only to have them blow up their accounts as soon as they're on their own. I've seen them do this multiple times with several different students. You just can't teach it.

>> No.52527608

MPW is such a shitty company. It hasnt beat EPS share for a year and it was 4 quarters ago that they beat on revenue. Its still went up 20% from its low

>> No.52527616

>>52527562
I made $1000 on meta in one day the other week while all if smg was bearish.. I shilled hood calls after reading their earnings report while all of smg was so bearish on them they were literally panic closing their 4 fig accounts and then it mooned 25% in two days. I've made over 10,000 shorting oil alone since September while all of /smg/ just posts "oil chads durr" every day and brags about their 2% divvy or whatever

Most traders are absolutely fucking retarded.. if you are just moderately less retarded you can see opportunities all the time. Shorting arkk after it pumps 20% in 3 weeks or shorting soxl after it pumps 100% is so fucking obvious.. I don't know what to say other than most people here are retards and bagholders

>> No.52527626

>>52527579
anything over 20 is too old
anything over 25 is still too old
anything over 30 is definitely too old

>> No.52527635

>>52527558
>what is the downside risk here?
I imagine underperformance of the REITs.

>>52527579
>is 34y10m too old for a woman?
I have never been satisfied with a woman older than me. If you're reporting her age in months, neither will you.

>> No.52527649

>>52527579
>I have regular sex w/a 22 yo half japanese. I creampie her anytime I want. She loves sex more than me.
and you want to stop this why?

>> No.52527661

>>52527523
it is all about the narrative

>the world will end in 7 years if we do not lower the carbon footprint of animal husbandry
or some shit, engineered to make the population buy it

do not tell me it can't be done
jews can make anyone believe anything

not (((You))) of course anon, I mean the genpop

>> No.52527686

>>52527616
Yeah, I was wishing I had an account when I saw Meta at 83 (it never closed that low I don't think, but I saw it at 83 during one day). I am not too far from having someone let me set up an account in their name so I can make some small trades to get started. I am in a shitty situation that started with Great Recession while I was married and had my own business and can't do it in my name without getting heemed by creditors and other ill effects. I really hated having to watch that one go by and had no power to do anything about it. I would have pumped everything I could into it, rode it up for a bit, and used those gains to expand my trading capacity some.

I have noticed while reading the Learning materials on Robinhood that they do not allow shorting, what do you do about that?

>> No.52527730

If I was a to buy a house today my mortgage rate would from 5.5% to 6%. If I wanted to do "risk free investing" wouldn't it be wise to just throw all my money into the house instead of purchasing bonds or stocks? I'm hoping that these continously raising interest rates will squeeze people out of homes and the prices will drop while rates are very high, ideally I'd have enough for a large down payment and then just shovel money into the mortgage. I will own a house and I will be happy. It would already yield me more than buying RIETS.

>> No.52527747

>>52527649
The 34yo is a 7.5 who becomes 8+ with makeup. The Japanese is maybe a 6.5 who becomes a 7.5 with makeup. (I'm talking about faces only) Tbh she never wears makeup so she maybe would surprise me.

Also, the racist in me wants a blue eyed blonde for the mother of my kids which the 34yo is lol

>> No.52527754

>>52527730
Land is always the best investment aside from well timed leveraged derivatives
https://youtu.be/npjr_pqxO9E

>> No.52527767

>>52527686
Buy puts or bear etf shares work fine

>> No.52527791

>>52527767
Seems simple enough, I'll try it with the paper some and see how I do. Very much appreciated.

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>>52527754
Then I might hang my hat on a portfolio loss of about 16% and just go GIC until I have enough for a good down payment on a house (1-3 years depending on market conditions). Might still keep 10%-15% in BRK.B. I think that would also save me the stress of worrying about my portfolio all the time. I'll still come here and pretend to be a unbelievably confident and arrogant bull/bear of course. This is what the FED wants isn't it, and you arnt supposed to fight the fed... they want us out of investments and to stop spending money. OK JPOW. I'll play ball.

>> No.52527835

I think that one anon is onto something with GLD being a solid investment.

>> No.52527875

>>52527826
Note I said land is the best investment, not property (i.e. not buildings). If you want to buy the best pure play investment vehicle you should buy undeveloped land and sit on it, ideally in a city (empty lots). However if you also want a house then getting a mortgage is a way to get some exposure to the land market while also getting a roof over your head.

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>>52527835
gold already made it's move. trend says to short

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Fresh update
https://youtu.be/_wVE4VAyK5Y
https://youtu.be/_wVE4VAyK5Y
https://youtu.be/_wVE4VAyK5Y

>> No.52527982

>>52527875
There are undeveloped plots in my city that have been listed for nearly a year (less than 20k people but growing quickly). I don't need a house anytime soon as I live with family that I have a good relationship with. What do you do once you buy land... Wait tell the cost of building a house is cheaper and then build on it? Wait and sell it to someone else once the surrounding area POTENTIALLY gets developed and makes it more desirable? It's all in little duplex zones. Yknow I'm gonna look into this a bit, thanks for the idea anon.

>> No.52527989
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Clown town

>> No.52527998

>>52527835
>>52527940

you don't hold it you don't own it. GLD is bullshit fake paper trading.

>> No.52528016

>>52527245
Look at IVOL vs RVOL. Market is extremely complacent right now.

>> No.52528038
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>watch caddyshack
>tfw you will never live during the american golden age

>> No.52528050

>>52527558
I hope you’re not invested in MPW, anon. MPW is one of the biggest scams in the market and will go to $0 within the next 12-18 months (sooner if Steward declares BK).

>> No.52528054

>>52528038
invest in meta so you can

>> No.52528058

>>52528038
So what?

so lets dance!

>> No.52528060

>>52527940
What are you buying?

>> No.52528068

>>52527982
You want to buy the most intrinsically valuable land and sit on it until the community has made it as extrinsically valuable as you are willing to wait for. Then you sell to a developer, ideally just before the bust period of the boom bust market cycle (which tends to be every 18 years).

Otherwise you can put a parking lot on it with parking meters (this is ideal but a small town won't work) as most city metered parking lots pay for their entire tax burden in a single day's revenue, have virtually no capital costs (no maintenance, no debt, very little property tax).

Think of beachfront property in Florida in the 80's. Highly intrinsically valuable land that became extrinsically valuable as population flows moved in. Same in California.

Land value is primarily a function of proximity to population, and this function is logarithmic, so a medium sized city becoming a large city nets much greater profit for land owners than does a small city becoming medium sized.

We're due for a market bust in circa 2026 so you may want to wait for the market to crash and scoop up land at that time.

>> No.52528089

>>52527558
>what is the downside risk here?

Not actually knowing what you own inside them. Did you read each REIT document from cover to cover?

>we MAY also reserve the right to invest in cryptocurrencies should it be deemed advisable ... etc
>in addition to real estate

>> No.52528099

>>52527558
Many REITs go under in recessions

>> No.52528108

>>52527243
You are so god damn annoying, you jerk yourself off every thread with this dumbass cherry-picked image. Holding overnight can just as easily swing the wrong way for you, it’s almost never worth it over taking profits already in the green. Your cockiness is pathetic and reeks of a new investor. Shut the fuck up once in awhile and have some humility you retarded cunt

>> No.52528118

I have to learn this because I'm tired of being poor.

>> No.52528125

>>52527608
It’s not just a shitty company, it’s an outright scam. They have 3 private jets and trophy NYC office space despite having only 112 employees. Ed Aldag has sold 95% of his comp shares in recent years. Steve Hamner I think has sold 75%. They literally gave Steward’s ownership group 335mm only so RDLT could cash out 100mm and buy himself a yacht. Dozens of public records point to Steward being insolvent, which is a problem when they are 20% of rent and MPW has lent them hundreds of millions plus has an equity investment in Steward.

MPW is dating Dr. Zero.

>> No.52528141

>>52527747
Dumb post, not racist to want kids that look like you, but dating a 34 year old is also retarded unless you’re like 40

>> No.52528144
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How long until the FBI and the SEC go after Musk?

>> No.52528153

>>52527616
Everyone clap for this guy, make sure you give him a cookie too. I’m sure he’s never once made bad calls in those thousands of supposed wins. You are truly the apex trader anon, everyone kneel

>> No.52528165

>>52528068
Do you really think the housing market can continue going up for four more years? Come to think of it, that would be a great crisis to happen in Trump's second year of his second presidency when he inevitably wins again

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>>52527245
The CPC disagrees with you. The crowd is buying calls.

>>52527362
I can program a robot to navigate through a forest, you retard.

>>52527498
5 years ago there were already lots of vaccines required for traveling to certain places, you retard.
>>52527661
This kind of insanity is why minorities are listening to Kanye West.

>> No.52528184

>>52528068
>due for a market bust
our population isnt getting lower and there are a no low income housing options being built in all cities
... def not due for a bust

>> No.52528186

Any picks for a $1k suicide stack?

>> No.52528192

>>52528186
How long is your time frame?
How much money do you have besides the 1k?

These things matter.

>> No.52528200

>>52528186
blackberry

>> No.52528203

>>52528192
1 year.
Rest of my assets doesn't matter, I can tolerate the $1k zeroing.

>> No.52528206

>>52528068
Hmm... I'd need to buy land FAR from where I am for it to be extrinsically valued in the same vain as a beach front property as every direction around me for hundreds of miles is farmland broken up by small towns.
>>52528165
In Canada, yes. Interest rates are going up quickly but the Prime Minister is importing as many people as possible which drives up demand for housing. Where I am properties were up 20% at one point this year and after the recent "cradh" they are only up 9% this year.

ALSO NOTE that majority of these houses in were locked in at a 1.5%-3% mortgage rate, in Canada this will be renegotiated in 5 years but in burgerland you lock in your mortgages for 30 years... AKA only new home buyers are fucked. Once mortgages start rolling over at higher interest rates I think that's when the cookie would start crumbling.

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>I can program a robot to navigate through a forest, you retard

>> No.52528223

>>52528108
just give it time he'll lose all his money and stop posting like the bears that got btfo in october

>> No.52528234

>>52528203
I have nothing that will go to the moon this year, kek.

>> No.52528235

>>52528165
Of the few economists who understand the boom bust cycle all seem to agree that 2026 is still the date to expect the crash, although policies can make that date come slightly sooner or later. I expect most Western economies to be under CBDCs by then (digital currencies) so it's possible that this has some effect on the timing of the bust, but I'm still personally targeting 2026 in my own planning. I actually think CBDCs will be (falsely) blamed for the crash and hence reverted not long after, maybe by 2028 or 2030, but that's just a little prediction I'm toying with.

I doubt Trump will be president, but the crash may boost his 2028 chances if he's still mentally fit by then.

>> No.52528268

>>52528235
>CBDC
>causing anything
literally just cash that is online and irreversible

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NO ONE HAS REPLIED TO A SINGLE ONE OF MY POSTS THIS THREAD. PLEASE RESPOND

>> No.52528293

>>52528184
Boomers will downsize and millennials already bought in 2020 - 2022. Following the millennials is a demographic disaster. Housing has reached its secular peak unless we allow in 10s of millions of immigrants.

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>>52528144
>mfw i'm not a burger but still voted in that poll

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>>52528268

>> No.52528307

>>52528304
so what you just have $200,000 stuffed in your mattress? all those things are already true.

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>>52528282
(this is an automated response please hold)

>> No.52528319

>>52527989
>>52528144
>>52528282
Twitter means nothing in the real world as long as it's just a dumb shithole website and not an ultra polarized echo chamber with active censorship. I can't believe people are actually upset or even paying attention to this Twitter story, even my mom said something about it. I think it's just a bunch of salty Tesla/Elon bears pouring shit tons of money and energy into slinging mud at Elon, and ultimately it will blow over and no one will give a shit and we'll have electric cars and crazy rockets and everyone will just shut the fuck up.

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>>52528282

>> No.52528323

>>52528293
>unless we allow in 10s of millions of immigrants

>> No.52528335

>>52528060
VIXY

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52528337

I couldn't resist bought the TSLA dip yesterday.

How fucked am I?

>> No.52528349

>>52528144
He's DARPA funded and CIA backed, he'll be fine.

>> No.52528355

>>52528307
They're not true unless you want them to be or are a prole that doesn't give a shit. Stop sucking boots like cocks.

>> No.52528370

>>52528355
if you knew anything about banking you would know it's true. your bank account can get frozen at any time and they track every single large transaction

keep being schizo though im sure it's working out well for you

>> No.52528375

>>52528349
I was talking with someone the other day and they said "Elon is just like a supervillain, he could have secret bad things on those satellites and just park them over a country and hold them for ransom!" I didn't want to get into how the US government already hurls all kinds of insane shit into space 24/7 and they also give billions to SpaceX

>> No.52528384

my portfolio is 100% 300% semiconductors
i would like to purchase a 10% hedge
what do i buy

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>>52528375
Not to mention that any space assets launched from US airspace is going to be de-facto government property. Doesn't matter if it's a private company, they're going to put whatever they want on it and they'll get all the data routed through some kind of US ground station. Rogue billionaires simply do not exist, especially in the kind of industries Musk deals with.

>> No.52528414

>>52528304
>>52528307
I have several lb bricks of gold in my safe.

>> No.52528446

>>52528384
Be like me, don't hedge and still be 100% 300% semis

>>52528406
The reach of the anti-Elon machine always impresses me, like aren't we all supposed to want free speech and electric cars and space ships, in theory? Why the fuck even care about the CEO

>> No.52528488

>>52528414
just buy ammo instead, but if society collapses im not that interested in survival honestly

>> No.52528513

>>52528488
I have guns and ammo too. Picking up a new 357 tomorrow

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>>52528513
I'm picking up a Colt .45 and 2 zig zags. cause baby that's all I need.

>> No.52528595

john rocker you motherfucker

>> No.52528615

>>52528595
>t. virgin poster

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Lmao these people with thousands of followers saying "Surely I would pay for twitter" are so fucking retarded

>> No.52528827

>>52528038
Its weird rodney dangerfield was the funniest one. Chevy chase and bill murray barely had scenes together since they hated each other.

Anyway I might be using money I made from stonks to open up a country club.

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Oh sweet, I made the chad poster list

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Santa rally.

>> No.52529043

>>52528869
yeah its definitely going to be green for the rest of the year, gas prices are falling so that means good CPI for this month.

>> No.52529091

>>52528827
>open up a country club.
Single worst business decision I've heard all day.

>> No.52529116

>>52526992
This is how to spot low IQ posters

>> No.52529117

>>52528309

Thanks fren

>> No.52529231

>>52528869
Next week will probably be a massive pump

https://youtu.be/51r5f5OdIY0

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or maybe not? shit

>> No.52529309

FXE puts or UUP calls?

>> No.52529315

>>52529290
Everyone was so afraid of europe freezing they forgot to keep america warm....
RIP 1776-2022

>> No.52529371

>>52529290
> “Everyone was so afraid”
As I recall everyone on this board was laughing at Europeans freezing to death during winter. What the fuck are you on?

>> No.52529379

Let me get a big move on Monday bros. Up or down, either way is fine.

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>>52527103
>>52526992
Oil isn't going to suffer here. The entire industry can't find people to drill wells. Companies like pioneer said they're losing daily barrel production because they can't find parts and people to drill. Oil is going to thrive for next 2 years at minimum. Longer really even with a gop potus in 2024 imo. Nothing can really be done here. Oil companies can't just ramp up production fast again.

>> No.52529381

>>52526992
>>52527274
B00kmarked

>> No.52529384

>>52526992
XLE hasn't even broken its all time high in 2014. Valuations are still cheap. 40% of S&P500 earnings are from Energy. In 2008, Energy was 16% of the S&500, in 1980 it was 30%, today it's 4%, and the median was 16%. There's still tons of room to grow, just cause XOM hit a new ATH doesn't mean we've peaked. In addition, we have strong energy fundamentals like a lack of investment starving capital, lack of supply, lack of workers, ESG/Political hostility, retail isn't heavily exposed to the sector, wind and solar have increasingly failed to provide us with stable power, and the developing world still needs oil. We are in the midst of a cycle wide rotation where energy will dominate.

>> No.52529390

>>52529371
I wouldn’t blame them for it…

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>>52529384
>XLE hasn't even broken its all time high in 2014. Valuations are still cheap
Good point also fellow energy anon. Goldman sachs big oil guy said oil cycle won't be done until oil companies are richly valued again. And often times like this are part of 12 year super cycles. By the 12th year investment into oil has reached its peak and has begun to be a crowded play.

>> No.52529434

Did your wages go up 4.7% this year? I find it hard to believe the average wage went up that much when I never got more than a 2% raise.

>> No.52529438

>>52529434
people left their jobs and got a better wage most often

>> No.52529443

>>52529384
The only oil stock I'm willing to buy at this point is PBR because of it's big fat massive dividend cock. Everything else is gonna earn as much as grandma stocks like pepsi

>> No.52529449

>>52529434
mine did more than that

>> No.52529463

>>52529434
It's better if you get a new job.

>> No.52529481

You know, I am feeling with ever-growing confidence like the past few weeks have been the calm before a storm of biblical proportions
I just don't know what domino could be biggest one to signal the collapse, tesla? Apple? Amazon?

>> No.52529497

Supposedly oil barons inherit the earth or something

>> No.52529500

Shall I go short EUR? Or long USD?

>> No.52529505

>>52529434
I got 45%.

>> No.52529506

>>52527940
>hurr I can tell the future by looking at a chart
>no, no, I don't need to understand why the price moved, looking at lines is all the information I need
TAfags are retarded

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>>52529500
Wait until 1.05 then short EURUSD. Retard pump isn't over.>>52529497

>> No.52529678

>>52529600
Short EUR, long oil and gas, long treasury yields

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>>52529434
My wage started at $312 a day and now is $705. So 230% ish gain. Just oilfield stuff.

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>>52529722
thank you for your hard work

>> No.52529771

>>52529481
Amazon. They already lost over a trillion in market value over the course of a few months. Then there's the layoffs this year, 100,000 warehouse wagies in the summer and 10,000 workers that actually fucking mattered recently. Even more firings are rumored to happened in 2023.

If a retail titan like AMZN is hurting, then you know the markets are truly fucked.

>> No.52529772

Ok we all have tinkered with screeners on how to find good companies. But what would you do to find bad shitty companies?

Off the top of my head it would have to be -20% in a year minimum, high p/e ratio, negative cashflow, >3:1 debt to equity

>> No.52529780

>>52529771
Amazon is hurting but Tesla is all smoke and mirrors, PLUS there's the whole twitter shitshow to drain it
Anyways 2023 will look extremely ugly

>> No.52529807

>>52529772
>>52529780
And on that note, Tesla has:
>PE ratio of 55
>-50% YTD

>> No.52529837

>>52529443
>PBR
Care to shill it? Not scared of the socialists nationalizing it?

>> No.52529853

>>52529772
market cap $200 B or greater
sort by PE descending
its harder for a behemoth with structural issues to surprise you with a white swan. an already dead shitter like TBLT can go up 30% in a day because they haven't defaulted yet.

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bros i just finished watching Fiddler on the Roof (1971) after i saw johnny fathands referenced it. holy kino, i went into it blind and found myself a new favorite movie. the premise is absolutely delightful, all u need to know is pic related:

>poor old jew has five (5) daughters living in imperial russia
>everyone lives an extremely impoverished but trad life, works hard, but things are stable
>suddenly, his eldest daughter has feelings for a poor jew instead of the rich jew she was arranged to marry
>drama.mp4
>2nd oldest daughter falls for a university pinko literal bolshevik who subverts the traditions of the village by spreading "modern ideas"
>like men and women dancing together or not having to ask the father permission to marry
>this leads to 3rdc eldest daughter racemixing and falling for a non-jew
>meanwhile the tsar (correctly) suspects where all this modernist subversion came from and plots to another literal exodus
>shenanigans ensured

film is a movie about a man getting cucked, his culture and tradition subverted, and then getting ruined. what a ride the whole film has been

>> No.52529874

>>52529866
anyway i forgot to mention at the end, is this film bullish or bearish?

>> No.52529875

>>52529837
The worst they'll do is cut the dividend, and I think brazil is open to businesses they have lithium mines coming through soon. It's a risk, but that's why it's a lucrative stock to own.
>>52529853
>harder for a behemoth to surprise you
yeah this is true, I actually like to buy the already dead companies for those turn arounds, upside can be big.

>> No.52529895

>>52529730
Thank you for paying my checks.

>> No.52529908

Do I bet against LLY? It's on the up and up but its technicals look ugly and the government is pushing against it

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>>52529908
do you know what tirzepatide is?

>> No.52530004

>>52529968
yes, do you know what a recession is, for the average 600 pound burger walking the streets of Dallas, TX?

>> No.52530013

>>52530004
healthcare is recession resistant

>> No.52530027

>>52529908
The faggot algorithms have been pumping up healthcare stocks because "safe". but now their PEs are more bloated than tech, its getting ridiculous.

>> No.52530034

>>52530013
see
>>52530027, who I agree with
algos are expecting ridiculous returns when this looks more like 1940-60 to me going forward, ie bonds > stonks

>> No.52530044

>>52530027
>>52530034
its PE is around 21 still under XLK, but yeah i get that theyve been pumped a ton already, but im not betting against a company that could "cure" obesity for 200$ a month, americans will buy that cause it actually seems to work

>> No.52530068

>>52530044
The latest toxic "obesity cure" fad isn't going to net them another $30 Billion next year.
>Common side effects may include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, constipation, upper abdominal discomfort, and abdominal pain
There will never be a drug that cures obesity its called watch what you eat, JFC

>> No.52530078

>>52530044
>its PE is around 21
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/LLY/eli-lilly/pe-ratio
54+

>> No.52530093

>>52530068
>>52530078
i just meant XLV in general. its a shot, like insulin, but just once a week. it reduces food cravings, it causes those side effects by making you feel too full

>Digging deeper into the data, patients on 5-mg tirzepatide saw average weight reductions of 16%. For patients on the 10-mg dose, that figure climbed to 21.4%—or about 49 pounds—and on 15 mgs, patients hit average weight loss of 22.5%, which equates to about 52 pounds, Lilly said in a release. Further, 89% of patients on the low dose of the Lilly med and 96% on the higher doses achieved at least 5% weight loss versus just 28% of patients in the placebo cohort. Based on the weight loss curves shown, weight loss on the 10-mg and 15-mg doses “had not even completely plateaued at 72 weeks,” which suggests patients could achieve even greater results with longer treatment duration, SVB Securities Research analysts wrote in a recent note to clients.

>> No.52530115

>>52530093
>The only way to make fat fucks eat less is by tricking their bodies into thinking they've already eaten so they don't eat any more
The apocalypse can't come soon enough

>> No.52530150

>>52530068
>never be a drug that cures obesity its called watch what you eat
Long diabetic care stocks. The entire world will be fat and diabetic soon.

>> No.52530241

>>52527051
>It's about riding the markets like the a surfer rides the waves. If you try to fight the market like a boxer you will get eaten alive and your health will deteriorate.

surf the waves instead of trying to fight the whales and sharks in the water. good metaphor.

>> No.52530249

>>52527747
Definitely date your race, whatever you are. I'm white, married a Filipina and have three kids, but not very happy. Kids don't look or act much like me or how my siblings were.

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>weekend future substitutes

>> No.52530786

>>52530249
>Filipina
Ew. So many nerdy white guys dating these ugly things. I'll never understand why. Asians in general are ugly and flips are brown on top of the Asian. Did you actually think brown kids would act like white kids?

>> No.52530800

Next week will be green and 400 resistance will be shattered and there's nothing you can do about it, bobo.

>> No.52530815

>>52530786
Flips are unironically the lowest rung of women. You get a flip wife when you can't get anything else, as a last resort to escape inceldom.

>> No.52530828

>>52529443
>>52529837
oil royalties/streaming companies pay big dividends too just different risks than Lula for PBR, SJT is currently 37%, PVL 17% and PRT 15%
EC pay a decent dividend in Colombia
I'd use the income to then buy the more steady majors and pipelines

>> No.52530864

>>52530815
Exactly. And it's extremely obvious when you see the type of white guy who married them. Like a white guy who works in tax or something and the highlight of his life is going to a conference sponsored by e&y in Florida.

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Anyone here into MP Materials Corp? 90% of rare metal earth production is in China, MP is purely US company. 5bil valuation already, no microcrap. Will explode when China goes down.

>> No.52531107

>>52531039
When china going down?

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>>52529722
Yea I'd take that kind of pay in a heartbeat. Plus it's not sales so even better. No oil fields near me. Too bad I can't work from home in an oil field. Maybe I could control remotely a robot of me working on black sludge pipes

>> No.52531220

>>52531107
the day after your aunt stops buying chinkshit from wal mart and amazon

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do u ever have performane anxiety, decision fatigue, executive dysfunction when it comes to trading?

>> No.52531293

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Getty

>2 billion dollar inheritance
>2.1 billion networth
How can you fail so hard over 50 years.

>>52527579
You're like 40 dude you should have gotten shit together with an 18 year old when you were 25. Just do whatever, it doesn't matter anyway. But holy kek this society is fragmented in a bad way.

>> No.52531315

So, when is the S&P 500 going to break the October low? Will it happen this year or some time next year?

>> No.52531430

>>52531315
either December or early Jan
If it does indeed happen, it's not just "breaking the October low", it's full on depression predictions leading into a shitshow of a year, bad trade to win on (if any such thing exists)

>> No.52531431

>>52531315
Late Jan, early Feb

>> No.52531432

>>52527940
Buy JNUG puts

>>52528108
>>52528153
>>52528223

Stay mad bagholders. Goal is 200% by end of year. It's literally impossible for me to blow up im not yolo trading

>>52530034
LABD or LABU puts. No point in playing specific biopharm tickers/it's too risky.

>> No.52531452

>>52531315
>So, when is the S&P 500 going to break the October low?
It'll happen in an instant once the Fed breaks the market's mass delusion about a pivot. Now that the market is pumping it's reasonable that the Fed will be extra hawkish in December. That could be enough to get the point across that the Fed will not be satisfied until stocks crash.

>> No.52531467

>>52531220
My Aunt is a typical brainwashed leftist, 'I support the current thing' CNN parroting alcoholic wine aunt. I doubt she'll stop consooming anytime soon

>> No.52531468

>>52531452
actually historically speaking, it's when the fed DOES pivot that stonks dump, mostly because the pivot is a sign of panic and everyone at that moment knows that the economy is fucked

>> No.52531472

>>52529853
>surprise you with a white swan
A white swan is by definition not a surprise, faggot. Swans are normally white. A black swan is a rare and unpredictable event.

>> No.52531492

>>52527747
>The 34yo is a 7.5 who becomes 8+ with makeup
Impossible. Her fertility makes her a 5 at best.

>> No.52531505

>>52531452
The whole 50bps or 75bps in December thing is utterly irrelevant. Both are bearish as fuck. One of them will happen and either way it will accelerate the collapse of the max leveraged housing market, max leveraged consumer debt and reduce forward guidance/consumer demand/profitability of all these debt laden zombie companies hiring trannies for 6 figures to send emails

They are going to hike until it's too late to get the soft landing. Half the country has like $100 in their checking account and living off payday advances anyways the whole rate hikes to fix inflation concept is retarded. Manarino is schizo as fuck but he is 100% correct that the fed literally doesn't give a fuck about inflation or the well being of people. The only goal is to attempt to inflate away as much of the ballooned debt balance as possible

>> No.52531514

>>52531468
Yeah but right now bad news is good news for the market because the market thinks the Fed will pivot. Once the market believes the Fed won't pivot then bad news suddenly becomes bad news again. I think stocks will dump when bad news becomes bad news and then stocks will still be dumping when the Fed is eventually forced to pivot.

>> No.52531547
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52531547

I still have to wait another 24 hrs to see if my holding over the weekend gamble that exp Monday pays off.

>> No.52531572

>>52529866
This is why the dowry (paid by the males side of the family) is a must. Father of the bride must be compensated. In some cultures it’s the other way around. WTF!

>> No.52531575

>>52531505
The Fed wanted this inflation. Why were they buying MBS when the housing market was already way overvalued? They wanted to create this crisis to give them an opportunity to raise the FFR to 5%+ and crash the economy and then rebuild it in the image of their choosing.
Consumer debt is out of control and the market is in denial about it. Americans are paying for stuff like take away pizza in monthly installments now. Once the Fed triggers the job layoff death spiral it's over

>> No.52531580

>>52531430
>If it does indeed happen, it's not just "breaking the October low"
Why not? There could be a retest, then a big rally for most of 2023. The real recession isn't going to be apparent for a while, and people will be betting when it does hit, the fed will bail everyone out.

>> No.52531592

>>52531514
the market is also retarded, Tesla has a PE of near 60 and is 100% reliant on people buying cars through a recession and a V shaped recovery of said recession so that people buy cars next year too.
And that is if China doesn't randomly invade Taiwan sending all US megacorps to 0
But as far as just fed funds rate goes, we're beyond bad news. The 10Y is actually lower than the overnight reverse repo rate, there's nothing the fed can do to stop it now, they'll just panic pivot by mid-2023, just you watch. That fucking retard Bullard goes on TV and says "7% terminal rates", who the fuck does he expect to take him seriously? This whole show is so retarded I can't believe anyone is following it still
>Once the market believes the Fed won't pivot then bad news suddenly becomes bad news again
I don't think you understand the condition the market is in. Global recession is locked in. Companies unironically are already struggling and that's with record unemployment in the US and creditmaxxing. Even if the fed pivots tomorrow, how do you expect them to save this situation? I seriously don't think you understand how bad things really are, pivot or not. The stock market will crash when people stop buying stuff because they're out of a job

>> No.52531598
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>> No.52531601
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52531601

Yesterday I ate a turkey,ham and cheese w/mayo sandwich for lunch. KHC branded meats and sauce. What? Hey at least I support the companies I invest in..

>> No.52531616

>>52531505
>>52531575
I feel like you both misunderstand why the fed raises rates.
Rates won't bring inflation down, demand destruction will (or production but good luck with that LMAO)
The last time the US faced record inflation and crawled out of it was with record energy production, which is not happening any time soon now.
The fed is crashing the economy on purpose to bring inflation down, and they all know it, they can't be so retarded not to
>>52531580
>the real recession isn't going to be apparent for a while
The real recession will come swiftly because when an Amazon or a Walmart decide to fire factory wagies that have 0 savings left after inflation raped them, you're going to see some apocalyptic housing market bubble popping shit

>> No.52531623
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52531623

im going to short tesla with leverage
cant go wrong, bloated company and he is alienating half of teslas fanbase being techbro libs
anyone bullish on tesla unironically?

>> No.52531625

>>52531575
So many top signals.. goys financing cellphones, pizza and haircuts on installment plans is fucking insanity though. All of the growth in the 2000s was smoke and mirrors tricks to pad the books with more and more goyim debt that they can barely afford minimum payments on. This house of cards will break by q2 2023

>> No.52531640

>>52531616
Yes. 2008 part 2..Good year for me. Bagged my house cheap as hell during that mess.

>> No.52531641

-10% in one week, next week

>> No.52531645

>>52531623
shorting tesla has to be the most obvious play of the decade, so obvious in fact that I'm doubting myself because it would be extremely retarded not to be bearish on tesla yet I don't think I've seen any major shorts on it recently

>> No.52531648
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52531648

>>52531547
what are you holding there fren

>> No.52531653
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52531653

>>52531592
Yeah I agree that it's over but the market doesn't care until bad news becomes bad news again. Bullard's 7% fear porn didn't affect the market at all. The market is just in full on denial mode right now. Anger comes next when the Fed keeps hiking even with doomsday data starting to roll in each week.

>> No.52531668

>>52531623
They recalled another 300,000 cars this weekend. I think they have unironically recalled more cars than they have sold.

>> No.52531670

>>52531653
If you ask me, what will happen is the following
>fed hikes 50 bps, signals 25s
>market breaks regardless because it doesn't matter
>stonks plummet

>> No.52531671

>>52531645
Burry has been short tesla for years.

>> No.52531682

>>52531671
he closed his massive short position like 1-2 years ago, he was too early
Unsure if he opened another one

>> No.52531694

>>52531671
>>52531682
correction, it's not that he was too early, but I doubt he could have predicted the most retarded monetary policy of the century (so far)

>> No.52531695

>>52529866
Lets not forget though that the rich butcher was as much fixated and his own pleasure and vanity as the women were. Had he been thinking long term he could have settled for a less attractive women who was willing to have many babies for him and raise them the traditional way. Peasant girls hit the wall early anyway so why not go ugly early. Like today, too many men are fixated on appearance alone.

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>>52531645
i acknowledge the strength of the clown market
>>52531668
kek

>> No.52531716
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52531716

Aren't inverted yields bullish in this environment?

>market is saying yes, rates will be higher now (1-3 month)
>10 years it will be much lower
Markets are forward looking. I don't see a reason to call inverted yields bad.

>> No.52531720

>>52531572
There are rich and poor. It’s not the same throughout a culture. A rich family with a daughter can afford to leave her unmarried if they can’t get a marriage that benefits the family. It’s natural to expect a dowry to prove someone is worthy of being related to the rich family. A poor family’s daughter is a burden, especially if there are several daughters. Giving a dowry is worth it to get rid of her. From a middle class western perspective it’s normal to think both families should help the couple get a good start by contributing dowries, but somehow American white culture became no dowries at all.

>> No.52531721

>>52531653
People don't realize we are still in denial.
>indexs rally back to only 15% down OK the year
>"we were never I'm a recession and avoided it all time highs in 2023"

We are going to dump and crab for years

>> No.52531733

>>52531716
define bullish
every bubble will pop and things will be bullish after that because you'll be able to buy cheapies, but it may also lead to a decade of stagnancy

>> No.52531764

>>52531733
I'm saying rate hikes in an inflationary environment was always going to invert yields. It's not the harbinger we once knew, it was expected and won't amount to anything.

>> No.52531765

>>52531616
>The real recession will come swiftly
When it does come it will come swiftly, but it probably won't come this year. But stocks might make another low this year, then bounce to approach even the highs of 2022 before some time in 2023 when the recession hits. Or maybe we are in that bounce now and we will even get new ATH before the recession hits.

>> No.52531767
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52531767

Some of you are okay. Don't be in the stock market this week.

>> No.52531785

>>52531764
Tell that to the 70s-80s
>>52531765
I am thinking early Jan personally

>> No.52531820

>>52531765
There is no reason we should even be near 400 in a 3.75-4.00 fed funds rate environment much less 480 at 5.00+ terminal rate.. what a fucking clown show.

220 in 2023 is more likely than all time highs rofl

>> No.52531837

>>52531716
It's only bullish if you believe rates will be lower because of a perfect soft landing and an easy return to 2% inflation.

>> No.52531879

DXY closed at 106.969 (le funny number)
How does that even happen and what does it mean?

>> No.52531903

>>52531879
eddies in the ether

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>>52531767
Remember it doesn't bottom until people think it will never go back up. As long as people call the bottom then it can go lower.

>> No.52531924
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52531924

We were in a bear market in 2015, this is clear now. But it was a 'quiet' bear market because obongo's low interest rates under yellen kept the tech sector growing so bongo could launder money from amazon back into his politicial campaigns, with Ukraine becoming the vehicle they used for that purpose from 2016-2022.

>> No.52531928

The more history I learn about the stock market the more hilariously fucked I realize everything is.

Jerome Kerviel story is fucking wild. Some French banker faggot traded with so much leverage on Martin Luther King day when us markets were closed that US futures limited down and the fed did an emergency 75bps rate reduction. Asian indexs dropped 15% and euro stocks had their worst day since 9/11 because one retard on margin... that's how honked this shit can be

>> No.52531969

>>52529506
stay poor

>> No.52531991
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>>52531969
enjoy shorting gold's golden bullrun

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52531999

REMINDER: Everybody is always wrong, including me.

>> No.52532018

>>52531924
Now we're doing rapid rate hikes from 13 years of being in a low rate environment. The corrections we've seen this year were only from the sugar rush of 2021. It hasn't begun yet.

>> No.52532024
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52532024

I want to start loading up on VIX derivatives

>> No.52532037

>>52531991
Shorting gold sounds spooky. Shorting junior gold minors whenever they pump on a gold rally is free money

JNUG puts are free money.. it's just a conglomerate of leveraged Bay horse silvers that don't produce anything and are going to 0. Whenever gold rallies just short jnug and bag the next dip

>> No.52532055

im a leaf and i unironically dont want to touch us exchange anymore

us equities outperforming based leaf banking/resources/energy was simply an anomaly decade of low interest rates
that said, canadian banks are basically just US shit with their exposure anyways like TD, just more regulated

o canada

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>>52532037

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>>52532018
>mfw all the boomers in my family have been retiring since 2016 in waves as the pre-boomer generation dies off and leaves behind hundreds of thousands in frugally acquired investments so that the boomers can blow it all on worldwide tours, driving up inflation
Fuck this shit I'm going back to college.

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>>52531648
I'm holding 10 slightly bearish SPY crab spreads

>> No.52532078

>>52532037
Interesting play, I'll keep that in mind.

>> No.52532090
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I don't know how to put this delicately, so I'm just going to say it. When the VIX has RSI divergence, it's typically not a good sign. With Thursday/Friday's decline in the VIX, it produced a lower-low whilst the RSI produced a higher low. This could be the beginning of a VIX spike or something else. screencap this, whatever. You won't be enjoying your Thanksigiving, I can guarantee that.

>> No.52532114
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52532114

drawing schizo lines on the charts before making pancakes and watching goyball (both american goyball and world cup goyball). where are we heading tomorrow?

>> No.52532132

>>52531601
You sold you T stock?

>> No.52532134
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52532134

Oil stocks dump at the morning open and then pump into the afternoon every time.

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>>52532058
>>52532078

It's a really easy chart to trade. If gold futures are green it pumps all day. If gold futures are red it dumps all day

>> No.52532149

>>52532114
Still haven't touched 400. Your epic memelines indicate we wick to 406 and then dump.

This lines up neatly with the pre-thanksgiving pump that usually occurs and the black friday dump. In particular since Powell is speaking on the 30th so he'll trash this gay and fake market. SQQQ gonna be eaten good next week.

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>Yahoo!
Wow, I can't believe Jurassic Park predicted the Dot-Com Bubble.

>> No.52532154

>>52532037
That will work whilst the dollar is still in an uptrend, but if it breaks lower you are going to get totally screwed

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>>52532134
I've noticed this as well. I just set sell orders to catch the am scam pump

>> No.52532178

>>52532149
>Still haven't touched 400
you blind?
>we wick to 406 and then dump
maybe but we already touched that upper channel. i think it could go either way, up then down, or down then up, idunno, guess we'll have to see what the narrative is tomorrow

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52532194

>>52532138
Short term it correlates pretty strongly with gold though, right? Longer term it seems like gold but with much worse alpha.

>> No.52532202

>>52532154
Bonds and gold are trying to front run the dollar eating shit but dxy pumped hard into close on Friday. I think it still has room to run

>> No.52532209

What's the best way to commit insider trading and get away with it? Like shorting the stock for your own company when they're making a decision you think is a massive blunder but nobody else will listen to you?

>> No.52532211
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>>52532114
I've received messages from the future, through CERN's Large Hadron Collider that uses quantum tunneling to send messages to the past. Little dump Monday morning, then pooomp, SPY to $401.67 top this week, then blow through $390 next week to the $380's. I can only bribe enough info for a week out unfortunately, and on top of that, the fuckers also take 85% of my fucking gains. Highway robbery I swear

>> No.52532238

>>52532211
digits check out

>> No.52532244

>>52532194
Yeah it definitely just tracks gold futures. It's cheap to trade options on because it's only $20-30/share and it's volatile as fuck so its easy to catch 25-50% gains on even a mild trend reversal and dip out

>> No.52532270

>>52532244
Seems like a good hedge if you want to also long gold. But you'd think the junior miners would eventually stop going down, maybe mostly if gold gains a lasting positive trend.

>> No.52532275

>>52532178
Low volume buying before thanksgiving, higher volume selling after thanksgiving to frontrun the powell event on the 30th. .25 BPS on the 11th or whatever, Santa rally to the end of the year on low volume. Violent resumption of selling in early january on higher volume. Back down to the october lows. Retest. Shoot up again in Feb/March. Retest in April/May. Higher lows. Mass layoffs follow the confirmation of bear market. Market goes up in the summer, dumps back down in september, crabs up again. Market finally looks like it'll recover to previous highs by 2025 if rates come down. Market shifts away from low-tech EGS/fakework jobs to higher tech cloud/data/manufacturing of high end parts as the US attempts to move some semiconductors to America. Possible importation of Taiwanese H1Bs replacing Indian H1Bs as American semiconductor fabs need that TSMC magic to function strategically. If Orange team beats red team in primaries and blue team in general, then reindustrialization using military budget will likely be the outcome. Mexicans returning home, illegal immigration stopped. Labor will be filled by eastern european H2 visa workers in American factories, to shore up countries like Romania, Poland and Ukraine while taking advantage of the UK refusing further migration from eastern europe.

>> No.52532283

>>52532270
I can't imagine increasing interest rates are bullish for unprofitable mining companies or companies that are trying to finance debt for new mines...

>> No.52532300

>>52532283
True, but imagine if gold jumped back to >$1900, even bullshit miners might go up.

>> No.52532319

>>52532300
Just watch gold futures man.. I already watch natural gas and oil that shit is always right beside it lol. I wouldn't yolo play anything but I play JNUG short any time it tard pumps 30% in a week

>> No.52532338

>>52532275
sounds pretty comfy

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so bored

>> No.52532452

>>52531242
>does fuck all the entire day
>gets fired
>marries his bosses wife
king

>> No.52532453

New

>>52532442
>>52532442

>> No.52532489

>>52531293
>>52531293
>You're like 40 dude you should have gotten shit together with an 18 year old when you were 25. Just do whatever, it doesn't matter anyway. But holy kek this society is fragmented in a bad way.

I am 32

>> No.52532524

>>52532024
DO EEET FAGGOT

>> No.52532527

>>52532489
And you don't have to have your shit together by 25. That's usually when it all gets fucked up. Unless you've been lucky and been guided by your parents your whole life. Unironically conservatism is the way. See you in the next thread

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>>52532211
It is so.