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Jesus fucking christ please be true

>>5204964
btc is about to crash mate. buy bcash

>>5205005
You're just saying that.

RED LIPS STANDING BY!

Last pump of the Bitcoin. Enjoy it.

>>5204964
I have waited for you signal, oldfag. I'm instantly selling all my alts.

>>5205054
>last

How do you mean?

>>5204964

Sold my alts last night. Sad i didn't get to catch all of today's green but better safe than sorry. All in on BTC now, lets do this.

Price predictions?

>>5205079
He means that this pump will not end, hence there is no pump after this one. A little bit optimistic for my taste but to each his own.

it would be nice to see btc moon, but im not holding my breath, we have been getting fucked since that last god-like bull run weeks ago

Oldfag what's the deal with mana?

>>5204964
Just like you said mana was going to hit 1500 sats right.

nice photo of Stellar taking off, lad

>>5205029
you better believe him, anon. only warning.

BTC has serious scaling problems right now.

>>5205071
At your service Mr. Nichaulson.

>>5204964
So no POL?

>>5205181
It will.

>>5205208
Nobody who really matters, i.e. flooding the system with money, gives a shit about that.

>SOY

How high are we going with BTC based oldfag?

>>5204964

See you goys in BTCland

>>5204964
not a chance. hodl until alts have plateaud

>XLM literally mooning as we speak

lmao

>>5205208

That's actually the point, it literally forces to be a store of value.

>>5205326
should I trade my golem for xlm?

>>5205163
Mana still on track. Still have a stash there. We are discussing BTC here, however. I have dumped all of my other Alts for Mana tonight. Had a really nice run in BTB from $240 to $325, dumped, bought back at $306. ran it up tonight, and dumped again at $330. Just put all those gains back in BTC for the night.

>>5205318
If you hold until that phase, then you have to chase the dump down, and suffer huge losses in the process. If you dump (like now) just minutes before the top, you sell in to buys. You may miss out on a couple of percent gains, but the reality is, you are not losing 10 % chasing it down after someone else dumps. Crypto 101.

>>5204964
If you check bithumb. BTC is suddenly going Vertical.

>>5204964
Vast amounts of fresh normie money is flowing into the alts, as they see daily 30% gains across the board while BTC is experiencing a measly 3% weekly gain.

The rules have changed. The normies are in now. Logic no longer applies.

>>5205528
quite sad that we are slaves to the Korean BTC machine

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>5205005
Normies probably don't know when they buy B - Cash, they are supporting a Felon who was convicted of mailing explosives.

>>5204964
tfw sold 1 day early and lost 20% potential profits

BTC please moon and make me feel a bit better

>>5205585
Thier money is green... or is it?lol

>>5205644
>implying there's room for mooning after 19k

BUY ALTS RETARDS

>>5205644
iktf. Sold OMG at $17 and ARK at $6.50. If BTC can just fuck shit up this week it will make me feel better about myself.

>>5205661
>>5205300

pls respond. EOY prediction?

Synchronicity.

>>5205468
>doubting 2018 year of the alts climb up will last days if not weeks into new years.

>>5204964
Sell wall just fell back where we can easily do a 1K pump. Lets see if we can get a minimum 2K bump.

>>5205661
Is Mana gonna moon in this phase? Should i hodl?

>>5205693
>thinking anything other than this
>buying BTC at 18k expecting growth

>>5205667
>implying the 20k break won't create a huge parabolic green dildo

>>5204964
you are so wrong, alts will go up forever

>>5205729
wont happen

screencap this

Alts mooning this much... wew BTC is going dominate big leauge very, VERY soon

>>5205750
oh yes alts will just keep going up 50% daily for ever you're right my bad

>>5204964
btc on the death spiral, this is only the the beginning, all the tether in the world can't save you now.

>>5205693
Alts will come back in a night or two. BTC just needs a bump is all. Just bailed out of Alts close to ATH on all of them, looked around at all the rest at ATH, said "Bullshit , I ain't Fomoin' in to any of that. Looked at BTC, saw it has lain fallow and is ripe for the Harvest. It's a no brainer, really. I'm no psychic. Just know when things smell right is all. Pardon the improper English and slang this evening. just a bit giddy from my Alt gains.

>>5205771
why

whyyyyy

BTC is mooned already. the gains are in alts now for months. BTC is not getting pumped any more, its all alts all the way up from now on. stay sideways

Op you are a fucking idiot. I am making SHIT LOADS OF GAINS BEYOND ANYTHING I HAVE EVER SEEN.

LTC, Steem, EOS, ADA

The only coin I have not fucking going balls out at the moment is XRP. XRP is kinda just chilling.

But I am already about to surpass any potential Bitcoin earnings AND I GOT OUT OF BTC WHEN IT WAS STILL 8200!!! I am fucking going to the moon at the moment and its not stopping.

DUMP BTC ITS A SHITCOIN!!!! DONT LISTON TO THESE FAGGOTS!!!! THEY ARE FULL OF SHIT!!!

>>5205287
yeah, no one gives a shit until they can't send it to an exchange and then the network grinds to a stop and dies overnight.

>>5205846
Are you ok sweetie?

>>5205790
>pump cycling multiple alts for 50%+ gains every day for months
>pumping BTC one more time and crashing the entire crypto market possibly for years

pick one. it's not happening. Alts are where the moneys at now and thats where the money will go.

>>5205719.. Again, this is a BTC thread. I will post when Mana is ready.

>>5205824
See >>5205584

Rules have changed. BTC being stagnant means normie cash is continually being injected into alts for higher gains. They're all in this to get rich quick.

>>5205874
Sorry, i just have to know, i have already lost half of my stack last time

>>5205846
Move along. CON- TINUE!

>>5205863
People have their coins on exchanges already, cute boy. :)

>>5205846

I remember when I was new.

In your head BTC going to 50K is impossible.
In 7mo you'll wonder why you ever doubted this.

>>5205866
Im fucking bitcoin in the ass while smoking a cigar bitch

>>5205926
Lost half your stack, you sold? Anon, I -

>>5205824
dude. bitcoin just surpassed 20k for the first time ever. this propels everything else towards ATHs. bitcoin will not see anymore growth until everything else has fucking mooned. look at the top 100 on coinmarketcap we are not at that point yet

>>5205930
You can varify for yourself by looking at the numbers. I got out of BTC fully at 8200. Look at the time line for each of the coins I mentioned.

I have thousands of each coin. Thousands.

HAHA

>>5205693
>>5205724
>mfw when the new crypto aristocracy is going to be the fine layer between basement-dwelling NEETs addicted to BTC and the clueless normies who're gonna get pumped and dumped into bankruptcy being hypnotized by 100-500$ range alts

Let's help those once we're billionaires please

>>5205943
not enough to save your shitty coin sweetie. you got problems and you need to fix them or else ETH is going to crush bitcoin. you can keep the number 1 spot if you want, but I doubt your dev teams will be able to work together to make it happen.

>>5205948

>>5205876
>means normie cash is continually being injected into alts for higher gains.

Are you actually implying the normies even know how to move their BTC to alt exchanges?

kek the muh i tested higher than a major fag is at it again

>>5205949
Thats the family dog, Anon. And that is over share.

>>5206023
Come right in , sit right down. we'll have ourselves a ball.

This is what i was thinking.
Seems like alts are going down and BTC up, is a fucking pattern and has been like that for sometime.

>>5205991
This is bullshit tho
>survey BTC 4chan NEETs
>survey finds that most people will sell bitcoin when its worth a lambo
>$196k is the price of a base huracan

survey is literally representing memes

The last alt season lasted months.

>>5205824
>BTC just needs a bump is all.

Back in BTC as of an hour ago.

>Alts will come back in a night or two.

10am December 20th GMT to me.

>Question

Oldfag I've never had the opportunity to ask you any questions before - I got busy with work and parked a load of alts back in BTC prior to the BCH fork.

Now I have some time off and have been diversifying and getting acquainted with some people.

Given I'm just trying to structure some of my portfolio to hold what medium term trends might you know about which will affect next year / that I should be aware of as I'm doing this?

BTC is a shitcoin and its gains are slower compared to cheaper coins where you can buy larger amounts for the same price. This was true for 2017 and its going to be even more true for 2018.

BTC is a loss coin, you are bleeding out money. This was true for 2017 and its going to be true for 2018.

Stop lying to people anons. BTC is not going to out pace alts. It never has before. No reason for it to begin now. BTC is a shitcoin with no future potential.

>>5205994
Normie news, facebook ads, financial magazines, etc have literally begun to shill alts like Ripple and LTC.

Most of them are retards, and their money will continue to hold up BTC. But as new money flows into BTC, some of the ones who bought in a few weeks before decides to figure out how they can buy Ripple for that extra gain.

In the process they're brandished with an entirely green front page showing +30% all over the place. So where do they put their money? Normies FOMO, that's what they do.

>>5205990
Here is your reply.

>>5206062
your hit rate is lower than 20% tho id rather flip a coin

so many altcoin shillers in here. enjoy your drawdowns faggots

"this is a sucker's rally"

>>5206064
Yeah while BTC goes up. But long term most alts beat BTC. Its obviously true. People just get confused at the bigger number and think it means more. LTC is by far a better hold than BTC for example.

Korea is pumping nicely, thank you based gooks!

>>5205968
I'm a retard, what can i say...
MANA just have a minimoon, which help my stack a recover little bit, i don't know if i should just hodl or i should just protect my sats

looks like korea's taking off.. guess im not sleeping tonight

>>5206141
typical bitcoiner avoiding your problems, even when they are about to destroy you. just keep guzzling down everything r/bitcoin tells you and I'm sure everything will be okay. seriously, you guys really, really, need to scale your network or else ethereum is going to replace you.

>>5205636
Oldfag is a corecuck?

>>5206177
just fucking hodl dude, this is your LAST warning

>>5206191
Here is your reply.

>>5206095
My Kilmer. if you would care to, you can email me at reddingtonwetworks@gmail.com. I am about 1.5 weeks behind on emails there, but will try to get caught up on it tomorrow.

btc fags here weeeeeeee goooo

>>5206080
This. We just bounced off bottom

>>5206158
There is no draw downs. Looking over if I had done absolutely nothing and held my BTC I am already gaining faster than BTC right now. ALTs always win long term.

Larger number of cheaper coins equals bigger gains long term. Hell even short term at the moment.

>tfw you're holding a coin that doesn't care if btc pumps or dumps
i'll give you a hint: it starts with R

>>5205584
Yea im one of those mommies you speak of. I have no idea what I'm doing...got lucky and bought 8 litecoin at 100. I've since put in 1000 in xrp, req, and now xlr....moving around that 1000 trying to chase a moon....i keep buying high and selling low...thats the goal right?

>>5206095
Val. Hope your Mum is doing well Out West. Love that town.

oh baby is LTC taking off too

>>5206169

BTC is like the petrodollar - it seems unfair however you can't dismantle it fast or everything shits the bed.

Which is why Russia and China are taking it slow.

Slowly.

>>5206213
I got nothing against bitcoin buddy, but if you die, then all of us are going to take a hit, so you and the btrashers or whatever need to set your differences aside and scale your network for the good of the market. you're the brand normies recognize so it's on your shoulders to maintain that brand.

>>5205729
it will never break 20k. it's over for bitcoin.

>>5206151
Missed a BTG pump one night, faggot. Told you all to bail after 4% loss. Previous night was a 48
5 gain. I said BTC would pump tonight, and within minutes it started pumping. Why don't (you) take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut. I'm batting. 999 People like (you) hate me so bad, because (you) are envious and want to be (me). If (you) are tp much of a Sociopath to be (me), and draw others to oyu, then (you) eill attempt to destroy that which (you) will never be, Sad. Terrible People.

>>5206201
ok hodl then

>>5206329
If BTC doesnt hit 20k + and maintain it I will have both recovered my losses from bad trades and surpassed potential earnings I could have gained had I held BTC only.

LTC, Steem, EOS, ADA, XRP
Other than LTC and XRP I got in early on those coins. Look at the fucking graphs and you can do the math yourself.

BTC is a loss coin. It cannot compete in the current market at this rate.

>>5206406

>>5206169
>But long term most alts beat BTC.
Yeah...

http://blog.mclain.ca/buy-and-hold-31-cryptocurrencies-for-365-days-week-18/

But I know, the next thing you say is that you have to pick the right alt.

>>5204964
Dumbass

>>5205679
>Sold OMG at $17 and ARK at $6.50.
> He didnt know OMG and ARK are both long term holds.

Ouch.

>>5206494
Hi I.Q. Rebuttal. I will recuse myself from the chair. NOT. Fuck off, Mong.

I'm an August newbie from /k/ here. Who is this dude? What dank tips has he given? Any screen caps? You seem cool as fuck OP and I hope you're right.

>Soy
You can't make this shit up.

>>5206494
have to agree. normally i'd say he's right, but the waters of the market feel a bit different lately, more alt friendly. Last time BTC mooned we kept satoshi value -- and that never happens.

Everything overbought. Went mana. Went to sleep.

Woke up. Saw thread. Speed-opened BTC/KRW. Sold alts and MANA at market. Got in just before koreans started buying up dumps like crazy.

Now watching to buy back mana at the right moment.

>>5206558
Oldfag, ignore the haters. You are almost always right, and I'm happy that you tell us your secrets. Bitcoin is already mooning as we speak, there is no need to talk to the pleb.

>>5206472
>But I know, the next thing you say is that you have to pick the right alt.

Actually no. Even a lot of pure shitcoins out paced btc. Fucking VRC destroyed BTC in 201602017 oddly enough. Nobody even knows what that shitcoin is.

At one point I was able to spend like 0.1 BTC to get like 6k Monacoins....

I was an idiot like the OP. I too was confused about Bitcoin because the number is so big. I am starting to think that any alt in the top 20 is an overall better pick long term over BTC.

>>5206128
How many alts beat BTC in 2017?

LTC is mooning right now

>>5206634
Well, I hope you put your money where your mouth is in the same way as I do. I guess, we can't agree, but it's fine. Words are cheap anyway.

Oldfag, do you actually see BTC staying dominant long-term, or is this all just riding the waves until a real successor shows up?

>>5206691
He literally said "the majority", so over 750 or so, I guess?

20.6k on korea right now.. jeez

>>5205181
This.

>>5206572
Greeting /k/ommando.

>>5206464

>If BTC doesnt hit 20k + and maintain it I will have both recovered my losses from bad trades and surpassed potential earnings I could have gained had I held BTC only.

Everything you need in terms of information is in that statement but don't take my word for it anon eventus stultorum magister.

>>5206691
The main ones to pay attention to is LTC and ETH. The completely fucked BTC so hard in the ass that BTC should not even be considered a valid option anymore.

Look on coin market cap 2017-2018
LTC was 3-4 USD each for example.

I don't know why people are still on BTC like its a good coin. I can understand only from the "safety perspective" BTC is a safer coin.

But honestly that safety is gone now. A lot of alts feel safer to me.

>>5206619
*bow* At your Service.

all in btc now...

>>5206703
I think that alts being a bad choice to hodl is a harmful lie and people are getting fucked because of it. We need to break out the calculators and stop making emotional choices. Alts surpass BTC by large amounts. Its easily observable.

>>5206711
BTC will be King for a very long time. There will be a successor. It will not be B - Cash.

fuck this I'm going to hodl them all

>>5206837
We have Liftoff.

>>5206882

I sincerely asked on a BCH thread why it was better than XRB. They said I was a troll, lol...

>>5206809
Ok so two out of thousands were solid holds. Even though ETH didnt actually beat BTC. Ok now show me your graph and portfolio for 2017 that beat BTC.

>>5206882
LTC and ETH were the kings of 2017 hands down. And you are a fucking liar if you say otherwise.

Yeah no thanks mate, i've followed one too many of your calls into oblivion. If you're wrong you lay low until the flak dies down and come back later. I think all the attention is getting to your head.

hey i just signed up for coinbase to buy litecoin my friends keep talking about
whats bitcoin? is that like litecoin? is it popular?

>>5206929
Jesus christ, what a salty cunt you are.

>>5206918
My current holds are for 2018.

2017 I was a Bcore cuck and lost out to bigger gains on most alts... Anyway good luck on your going up 1k tonight. Maybe it will be more than I gain as well. Maybe :D

>>5206929

Yall BTC haters missing the point, because you can't read with comprehension:

> I have dumped all of my other Alts for Mana tonight. Had a really nice run in BTB from $240 to $325, dumped, bought back at $306. ran it up tonight, and dumped again at $330. Just put all those gains back in BTC for the night.

oldfagbiztard trades in alts all the time - including LTC, BTG, MANA, BTB, BCH (riding the waves), and others.

It's not like he's saying: "never buy alts or you'll always lose coz btc is king!".

BTC is king because it won't crash - which is the OPPOSITE of what BCH shills say.

Look at this Bitcoin dominance graph. Do you see something? That's right - it's a fucking HEAD AND SHOULDERS.

Bitcoin dominance is going down down down. The whale's aren't stupid - they know if they keep the price of BTC stable and pump alts they can get more money into the system. It takes billions of dollars to move BTC up one percent - that same amount moves a shitty alt to the moon.

Investing in BTC when its dominance started to fall in 2017 is stupid - the king is dying. Pick some other shit to hold.

>>5206929
Don't get cocky with me. I could pull the plug on your shitcoin any time I wished. I only allow it because I have a wayward Millennial Son fond of it.

>>5206978
Its true though

Just look at the numbers. If BTC was the better coin I would be holding BTC. No fucking way I am making that mistake again. Not in 2018.

Remember boys if we break 20K open shorts on any shit coin you can with max leverage. You'll be gaining BTC and USD value while the king sets sail for 40k.

>>5204964
I don’t trade. I do the the plebbit hodl meme

>>5206934
On the extremely rare occasions when I miss, I just Hodl until it comes back. (you) are impatient, and sold at a loss before it recovered. Not my problem. I did fine. It was your choice.

>>5206882
And how are you so sure it wont be b-cash?

>>5206916
Well Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin that works (for now). There’s a whole lotta infrastructure in Bitcoin

>>5207062
hey oldfag its me your other wayward son. please don't kill bcash, I'm balls deep.

i promise not to flippening we just want to bring big blocks to all the starving kids in africa, etc

>>5207105

>>5207133
I have a question: why the Sorks do all the BTC pumping

>>5206882

>>5204964
Cancer tripfag

>>5207052
>oldfagbiztard trades in alts all the time - including LTC, BTG, MANA, BTB, BCH (riding the waves), and others.
>It's not like he's saying: "never buy alts or you'll always lose coz btc is king!".

Alright you got me on that.

I am coming from the perspective that trading for profit is usually beyond what most can do. From a HODL perspective my point stands. Bug if you know how to catch BTC on an up swing and swap back to alts and gain reliably.

You are practically a god in this sphere. I'll shutup now.

korea at 20.6k

>>5207006
Exactly my point. You didnt beat BTC. You are an autist who thinks he can outdo 2400% gains by being a trader.

>>5207148
Because I have seen The Roadmap. It would flip your shit, and panic all of you. Do not concern yourselves with it. It is many years off. Enjoy your gains.

>>5206882

Oh of course not. BCH is almost just as shitty as BTC

>>5207206
Because they are expend-- uh, it is currently their job to do so.

>>5207293
What about cardano wise sir

>>5207356
every single thing is pumping except for bitcoin lol

when do you realistically expect this pump to occur? Sorry but bitcoin is going to take gods to move it at this rate.

thanks for your wisdom old fag

>>5207310
Hi mEth head. lol. Don't get me wrong, I've traded Eth derivatives, but never ETH. Don't have any use for Communist.

>>5207172

To be honest, BCH is pretty much dead.

- conspiracy theories and "ati-btc" are things normies don't care about
- bch shills act as if they're the only solution to the "transaction fees" problem
- it's in the top 8 with BTC, ETH, LTC, XRP, ADA, IOTA, DASH and brings nothing unique to the table
- people trust BTC, because it survived everything thrown at it - and it keeps growing at a steady, exponential pace
- BTC is the "reserve crypto-currency" - nuff said (tech doesn't matter)

>>5204964
I'm counting on you nigga, just went all in BTC, don't let me down!!!

>>5207395
It has been pumping on exchanges other than Normie base and Bittrex since just after I posted. Nubs are a bit slow on the news. Most of them get thier news hours later filtered through plebbit / tumblr/ normiebook.

>>5207356
Are they behind the LTC pumping?
I mean x4 after 2 days? How the fuck?

No, fuck you.

You can't make big money anymore with Bitcoin and it's inflated artificially and by speculators.

>>5207471
I'm all in on RCN, think I should hold or retreat to BTC?

>>5207447
If BCH is dead, it looks like its going straight up to heaven.

>>5207536

I mean it hasn't even reached the last pump's ATH rofl

>>5207534
Hodl RCN and Mana. But this is a BTC thread. Don't have any RCN. Have Mana.

>>5206197
oldfag has dementia

>>5207581
Not for another 40 or 50 years. Kek.

>>5207558
Noted. Also, get used to being on the floor.

>>5207536

Try measuring in sat.

>>5207447
low-info luddite

>>5207475
LTC has been shilled in normie space like no other. Go search YT and see how many vids come up. We should have seen this coming.

>>5207673
"I'm sorry, but we only accept sat based USD around here."

>>5205729
It broke 20k you retard. It hit a massive sell wall and dumped back down to 17k. Markets don't like big whole numbers.

>>5207413

THIS!

Love it every time you post it.

>>5207536
Sigh. Guess I'll have ta pull out my penis.
Chart. Every BCH pump is a scam pump. Period.

>>5207766
yes because the price ran up by 8k in 2 days. obviously a big pricepoint will cause a downturn then.

its been over a week since then and the price has SLOWLY naturally climbed up there now. What will happen this time when it breaks 20k? FOMO ofcourse

Oldfag, I am not selling my alts but I do believe you like always, but I wanted to know about something else, about a month ago you told me to look out for the right coin by looking for the one with a 19.3 change or something like that, what does that mean, please explain I have been dying to ask you.

>>5207779
I fucking hope Roger lost a lot of money during these pumps. The sooner he goes all in on BCH the better for everyone.

>>5207768
OK. yeah. Now. You want to know what happened to the guy who originally started the BCH Flippening scam? He got hung by his balls by some Blackwater "Operators".

>>5207752

That's the problem with BCH shills. No thinking behind their arguments.

Sat value matters when TRADING an alt coin (e.g. BCH) against BTC - because it's how you know you're outperforming BTC.

Outperforming USD isn't a feat, except for coins like confido. If outperforming USD is a feat for BCH ... well... that says it all.

Of course, BCH shills will switch to talking about transaction fees or tech - which has NOTHING to do with the subject of TRADING.

Which is what this thread is ALL ABOUT.

>>5207293
You're such a lying faggot it's cringey kid

>>5207829
It has a specific ravity of avg. 19.3, ang I made 53k off of it the last two nights. Got back in to it at $240. Just did tonights dump before I started this thread. Didn't want to buy in to anything else at ATH, so I bought BTC, which was down, and ready for a move up.

>>5207962
By now, you know what kind of mistake you have made. It will not pass.

>>5207848
>He got hung by his balls by some Blackwater "Operators".

Go on...

>>5207848

I know - in the version for "normies", he was hung by the "feet" or something.

Life means nothing for communists. Therefore, they aren't human.

>>5208000
Oldfag how often do u come here? I need your wisdom i have 10 btc i wanna grow. I know its not much but i want to be 100 btc fag like u prob kek

>>5207962
>>5207848
This is what happens to these kind of people, including 48.

>>5207965
Hah the glitter coin, i remember that, i was just new to crypto and made 200usd that night, never gonna forget that

>>5208048

Almost every day. Similar hours. Search the archives.

>>5208006
See >>5208006

>>5208053
Whats that got to do with BCash?

Side note: do you have any thoughts on BAT?

>>5207962

>In pace requiescat...

>>5208000
Enjoy letting the 4chan fame get to ur head soygoy. Anyone who has been here long enough knows ur full.of shit and get it wrong almost every time... Entertainment at least, thanks faggot

>>5208086
I pretty much go off grid for 7 months a year on average. Search the Archives. What do I do during that time? Oh, I probably just hang out in my Mothers basement.. Playing "Blackwater" shooters or some stupid shit.

>>5208130
Stop being jealous, nobody likes that.

mr. milintel, you are breaking alot of protocol

>>5207965
I do think like swing trading that much, I buy a coin cheap and hodl, yes I could make alot more money swing trading but I just don't have the time, also does this mean it has like a fluctuation of 19.3 when it goes up or down, sorry if I seem like a retard but want to be 100% sure this time

>>5207893
If BTC goes down that doesn't suddenly mean my alt trade was suddenly better and that I made money. There are circumstances where you need to be watching both. If your USD value goes down you lost value period. The only hope you have then is that BTC will go up.

Which is something that made more sense when BTC wasnt such a dangerous coin.

Also I'm not BCH shill. I am in this for max gains. While you guys were waiting for btc to start moving up and this thread began I made a couple thousand already. LTC going up right now is far more profitable than hoping that BTC will go up.

It probably will though. Maybe. Seems like it may stay where it is for another day. who knows.

>>5208181
Is 10 btc enough to make it?

>>5208130
You will make a mistake, and when you do, I will be there. Nothing personal.

>>5205636

Not defending his actions but there was some crazy shit on eBay around 1999. "Explosives" is a broad category.. gunpowder? C-4? Fertilizer? It was sold as pest control.. did he admit to the product being used for terrorist activities or something?

>>5205528
BTC is up like 0.6% on https://www.bithumb.com/

>>5208206
>I don't lik

Help me with this mess. It's all on bittrex except the LTC.

Dump it all for btc?

>>5208235
Aaayyyyy btc is not moving
Wise man, do you think this is the bubble?
Do you have any predictions when its gonna pop aprox?

>>5208130
except i followed his calls and made at least 25% on one

(was too chicken to let it keep going)

>>5208206
>I don't like swing trading that much

>>5208200
This is the only place I am allowed. It is, after all, A Mongolian Basket Weaving and Himalayan Alpaca Breeders Forum. Anything posted here is Satire.

>>5208270
>Dump it all for btc?
Dont dump omg or ark those are both holds. Dump the other shit for btc/ltc/xmr, thank me later.

t. not oldfag

Oldfag can you pls adopt me? im a 25 year old neet

>>5207779
BCH will hit $3100 then get dropped. Koreans are pumping the fuck out of it at the moment

>>5208279
Peeling on Bithumb. No pump tonight. Sorry. Second time I've been wrong out of 200, but no one lost money on it. That is a better record than Tone. Tweekas shit doesn't always moon either. It's the nature of the game. Get your mileage out of this one, kiddies, it's a rare event.

>>5208206
Old fag answer this please?

>>5208279
It will pomp when Wall street collectively decides to short it. They would be fools to not pump it first with CME as the obvious cause for Political Capital.

>>5208465
*dump*

>>5208279
BTC bubble wont pop. Its likely never going to happen. BTC CAN stagnate though. It will still go up a bit now and then but its big days are probably over.

If you manipulate the market to hold BTC where it is and prevent growth then alts just moon left and right. Accumulate tons of alt coins and hold BTC where it is. Now you not only prevent a bubble pop but you multiply your gains by insane amounts.

BTC is going to stagnate. And if it doesn't then the people who manipulate the market are idiots who don't know how to max out profits.

The other side of this though, is that a lot of the BTC shills need to try and convince you as long as possible to continue staying with BTC and propping it up for as long as possible. The gains these people make is unmeaserable.

If you are still HODL BTC you are being cucked.

>>5208221

We mostly agree, anon. Especially on the "do your math" part.

I do value my time more than gains (I'm not a day-trader).

Sorry if I suggested you're a bch shill. If you're in for max gain - lead with that next time. (Less confusion).

There is no "hodl BTC!" fanaticism here.

oldfagbiztard said BTC will be now shooting up. And it is. End of story.

He isn't saying "BTC = MAX GAINS FAGGOTS!".

The reason he often shows the cool survey image is to counter arguments that BTC will crash.

oldfagbiztard is actually AGAINST day-trading for max gains, because it steals other people's lunch money.

That's why his advice is not for you.

>>5208429

Although I thoroughly hate and despise ETH, as a hodl without swing trading my Millenial Son has made 70% in Eth this month. I hate to admit it, but BTC is a risky Hodl coming up on a potential CME short. I see one glorious pump coming up before that, and thought tonight was it.

>>5208384
Same shit every time lol, classic

>>5208516
seriously. Put it in good alts and hold them now, its so easy. Money is literally going out of BTC into alts as fast as it is coming in from nubs on coinbase.

>>5208384
Should I enter alts for the moment?
When do you think the next btc pump is going to happen?

>>5208328
Alrighty, you aren't the soyboy ID, but I'll take it.

Have to drive home from wagecucking now, keep an eye on my portfolio for me ?

>>5208629
Nice cult soygoy oldfag has here, even when he's wrong (every time) u still want his advice. Stay poor brainlets

>>5208596
Twice now out of 200. Get your mileage. It is allowed tonight. But, Unlike (you) a scammer, I did not rip people off by lying to them and dumping bags on them. That makes (me) better than (you) Do I do bad things for money? Yes, but only to Goblins, not my fellow Man.

>>5208705
Stay Jelly, Curly.

why won't she go up on coinbase bros?

Any special alert apps or something that can wake me up in event of a BTC pump?

>>5208716
Yes I am a scammer and am dumping my bags... Oh wait that's every one of ur threads. Fuck off pajeet, stop scamming bizlets and go back to trading rugs

I'll be back in alts in a little over 24 hours

>>5207133
Yeah true, I didn't lose much. Just wanted to see what your response was. Lesson learned I guess. I'm following your BTC call because anything I'm hodling has hit its peak.

>>5208531
>He isn't saying "BTC = MAX GAINS FAGGOTS!".

Yeah I fucked up. Hes saying get in while it goes up so you can collect more alts. That advice was not for me.

I just too often see this "Lol you have no BTC in your portfolio your a faggot." shit on here.

Or rather than general mindset. Its not accurate at all.

also BTC looks like its actually not going up at all. Maybe it will later tonight. But its stagnant right now.

>>5204964
Locked in and ready for launch Captain. Sold at the ATH and ready for revenge.

this is now a TRX thread

>>5207812
It is consolidating like a spring,the longer it compresses, the harder it shoots up

>>5209185
I sold ETH at $795 and put into BTC. This shit better moon or I'm going to mommy milky all over this shit.

>>5209285
Hell yea ruck btc

>>5209285
Will I make it?

>>5208716

I actually ended up with more mana - and it was fun being here.

Thx, oldfagbiztard.

>>5208749
BTC will not be pumped so is there any major crash soon?

oldfag or anyone have thoughts on BAT?

>>5208990

Yeah, people here vary from brainlet to god. It's easy to get caught up.

I do read oldfagbiztard's posts carefully, because he's one of the few quality posters around here.

I don't even have any BTC right now. Just switched to MANA.

Learned a few new things too.

>>5209393
Add some Monero if you know what's good for you. Aside from that it's a solid portfolio that doesn't require much rebalancing. Good alpha over Bitcoin and not much risk as with shitcoins.

>>5205102
$1

***WARNING***

BITCOIN MONEY SNAKE SPOTTED

>>5209802
Please snake daddy, blow this shit up for us.

>>5204964
OLDFAG... please don’t be a larp... what is driving the latest BTC bull-run? Normie talk has somewhat died down due to their ADD... where is the money coming from to support continued big moves????

>>5205991
Sounds like some idiot just answered 1 trillion dollars and they averaged it in

>>5210120
kek

>>5209744
>I don't even have any BTC right now. Just switched to MANA.
Thats how I know you have a 5 fig portfolio. Smart money keeps the bulk of holdings in the big 4.

>>5210120

https://lendedu.com/blog/investing-in-bitcoin

P.S. I wonder how much 1 trillion dollars will be worth in 5 years.

ALTS have 5 more days

Will there be gains to be made after new year? I'll be getting some extra money and would like to put some in.

>>5210080
Stolen credit cards, cp, drugs

they rushed out the future trading cause they knew bcore was going to crash trying to stabilize it, bcore dominance will be below 50% tomorrow and below 25% in a few months

>>5210322
Why 5?

>>5209802
>>5209871
>>5210080
>>5210468
>>5210322
>>5210440
>>5210515
>>5209285
>>5207829

The audacity of you fucking retards. You come here sharing tips and analysis of crypto, when it's just a roll of the fucking dice. You're like a sad old booze hound that thinks he's got a great method for winning the coin slots. You all think you're Jordan Belfort. If you weren't £1000 deep in crypto by 2014 you're a fucking victim. If you haven't already lost most of your money, you're going to at one point. Even the photos you post of your "14k portfolio", you're not kidding anyone. Spend 10k, up 4k one day, down 4k the next. This should not be a business and finance thread it should be a help thread for problem gamblers. You're fucking pathetic. You're lazy. You have nothing going in in life. That's why you choose crypto currency. You're all too lazy to invest in real business ventures. Take me for example, a real entrepreneur. I've been buying and selling cars since I was 17. It's paid my bills for 6 years. Just this morning I bought a "spares or repairs" listing for £150. Got it running after a quick reference of the hanes manual and an hour on YouTube. Same car, similar age and millage are selling for £4500 on autotrader. Night just sell it for £4000, for a quick sale. Even if I buy a car that is truly fucked, it still has scrap value, real physical value. What do you have? Nothing. Ive also put the deposit on a car that cost 3300 but will sell for 5000 easily. And all that took was 15 mins looking for a good deal. Last year I used only £8000 to buy my uncle a van and tolls for his landscaping business, for which I'm getting £1200 per month cash for zero effort. No sleepless nights. No spending hours each day following trends (100% pointless task) and now I'm looking to buy a small piece of low grade land for forestry operations. You idiots really have no idea about business or finance. I hope bitcoin crashes to 1k most of you fucking hang yourself. Worthless posers.

>>5210468
>Stolen credit cards

mfw some small percentage of every stolen credit card dollar is making its way permanently into the crypto market cap, and will continue to do so

>>5210276

True. You're one of the smarter anons here.

It's a large chunk of what I can lose.

My time is still worth more than day-trading - which isn't my thing at all.

I did the math - I'll likely be "out" of BTC for a few weeks (unless it's undervalued and mooning for a day). No emotions either way. But not trading sleep for max gains either.

> Smart money keeps the bulk of holdings in the big 4

That's true for a large portfolio. The bigger, the more sense BTC makes.

However, there's a flip-side:

1. Don't invest more than you can lose
2. If someone KNOWS something will go up, you SHOULD go all-in. Unless it's BS and you DON'T really know. (Then play safe with the big 4).

E.g. if someone believes ARK will moon, they should go at least 90% in it within 3 days of that moon. (Or shut the fuck up about their predictions). And then get out at the peak.

>>5206132
Fuck dude I literally just did this.

I rode LTC up on the last surge (couldn’t sell at top since account was locked) and just sold yesterday.

Today everything fucking moons and I FOMO’d back in bc I just don’t see BTC making any big % gains anytime soon. Sure if they break 20k it’ll go up to 22k possibly in sheer momentum but as a % that is not that much. Was I wrong? Should I hold btc at wait for a dip that make never come ?

>>5210563

>You idiots really have no idea about business or finance.

Respect, anon. Can't agree with you more.

Crypto is just a glorified savings account for neets.

> I hope bitcoin crashes to 1k most of you fucking hang yourself.

Won't happen. But don't worry - bitcoin will become "boring" for gamblers and retards pretty soon. They'll move on to alts and icos that will burn them alive.

>>5209304
you okay?

>>5211030

>>5211002
I don't disagree. I don't claim to be smart in finance or business. I got extraordinarily lucky.

my gainz are still real tho

>>5210826
Bitcoin will drop to 14k soon. But litecoin is going to $500

>>5205679
>ARK at $6.50

Hah! Arent you the faggot who made the "never day trade ark" commandment?

>>5211072
This. I’m not trying to be the smartest in crypto, I’m trying to make the most.

I spent years interested but thinking it was some weird thing and all a bubble. Watched it going up this year but waited til I had time to make a smart analysis first. I finally justified getting in when my grandfather gave me an oz of gold and man am I glad I did.

>>5211090
>deluded arkies
zssss when will they learn?

>>5206132
BTC is still viewed as being safer than altcoins. Normies will be satisfied with even 20% annual gains from BTC because that still shits on index funds.
You can see something similar with ETH/LTC, as lots of people here have been adding them to their portfolios recently. They gained about 10-20% today, which is far less than what TRX did (like 50%). However, ETH/LTC are far less risky because they actually have a live product.

Keep crying about Normies, Chads and newfags pumping money into your shit. Those are the idiots making your gains possible.

I’m sorry that you’re such a raging autist that you can’t realize it. Fuck off back to your mom’s basement to give her licky stickies at her bean scene.

>>5211190
20% annual is really bad. You can make that in the stock market. If I thought I’d make 20% it wouldn’t be worth the risk of getting wiped out

Okay.

If BTC is moving sideways... Which is moving average is.

Altcoins will run.

The moment you see Alt's flash crash that's smart money making a move from intel.

Move with it!

>>5210768
Yeah I used the wrong word. Big money keeps most of their holdings in the big 4. Smart/Brave money should go for some big wins to get to 6 figs then coast to a million.

>>5206417
Autism

>>5211002
>>5210563
These posts reek so much of jealously, it's hilarious.

>Muh gamble
If you invested in Bitcoin at ANY point in time since 2009 until today, you would have made money. How can you say that everyone loses money and it's just for gamblers when the numbers are absolute? The coin has been on rapid growth for years now, and 2017 was its golden rush. That's undeniable, and you are just salty because you missed.

>>5212361

Technically, they're correct anon.

If someone wins the lottery, it's still gambling, no matter how many millions they've made.

Most people are ignorant about building a business. Because it's not taught in school or college.

Crypto has nothing to do with business. All because you're making money doesn't make you a business genius.

Most quants don't even know much about business. They can be spectacular investors, but that doesn't mean they know shit about business.

It technically is gambling, anon. Doesn't mean you can't make a lot of money. It doesn't mean you can't hedge with crypto or non-crypto (like gold, silver).

It just means betting on something you can't predict or control.

(In business, you can at least have quite a bit of control).

The ONLY issue I have is: pretending that gambling is a science is delusion. Even TA isn't a science.

>>5212525
>It just means betting on something you can't predict or control.
that would apply if we'd be trading in a double-blindtest kind of setting. Guess what. That's not the case, and you can invest into technology you actually believe in (as opposed to chasing one moon after the other based on some shitty twatter). This is clearly not gambling, and unless you're a retard, it raises your chances way above the 50% of rolling a dice. Gambling my ass.

>>5212683

In crypto, technology doesn't matter as much as news.

Otherwise, e.g. BTC and BTC would have roughtly the same price. Same as IOTA and BTB, byteball and raiblocks.

Technology doesn't guarantee revenue and adoption.

Look up the dictionary definition of "gambling".

I'm not shitting on you anon. Nor on crypto. Nor on gambling even.

If you BELIEVE in a technology, that's the same as BELIEVING stock you picked will go up. Aka. "gambling".

If it's technically a guy, then let's call it a guy and treat it like a guy. Even if it dresses up as a girl.

Let's now pretend feelings matter more than definitions.

>>5212815

* let's not pretend (...)

>>5212525
>If someone wins the lottery, it's still gambling, no matter how many millions they've made.
While the lottery is purely a matter of lucky, even a retard can reach the conclusion that Bitcoin might be a good investment if they had just watched the patterns. Again, it has been growing since 2009, it's not something that suddenly appeared and mooned to 19k out of nowhere, plus there's social trends and human factors backing it up. /biz/ has been shilling this shit for years now and if you would have made a retarded amount of money by just leaving your money on it, without ever selling or messing with it, like most people would advise you do it in the past.

>Most people are ignorant about building a business.
That's irrelevant here.

>Most people are ignorant about building a business.
I can agree with that if you agree that the same is true for the stock market.

> All because you're making money doesn't make you a business genius.
No one has ever said otherwise. You are the one saying this shit.

>It technically is gambling, anon.
It's probably the safest gambling one can ever practice, wouldn't you agree? I wish casinos would give me such easy returns.

I'm going against your post because you imply that investing in crypto is a 50/50 situation where people can either lose or gain and it's just for gambling addicts, which is a fallacy because with crypto we can watch patterns and its patterns tell us that every shitcoin under the sun is more valuable now than it was at the beginning of the year.


>pretending that gambling is a science is delusion
It actually is though. There's logic, patterns and ways to turn the game into your favor even in casinos.

>>5212815
I'm with you anon. I never pretended that fundamentals mattered right now. I got extraordinarily lucky and claim no knowledge of business or finance.

My gainz is real tho, and I will keep rolling the dice until I'm rich or broke.

tfw oldfag got "soyjoj" id
tfw growing feeling that meme magic works here but more through ids and colors than digits.

>>5212931
whatever, F6GGGot

>>5212962
your post is boring...zzz

>>5212815
>BTC and BTC would have roughtly the same price.
I'm pretty sure that's actually quite the case.

>Same as IOTA and BTB, byteball and raiblocks.
Please. Goals, environment, and (human) networks are completely different. IOTA doesn't even want to run on this stinky internet with it's shitty protocols; they want to run on a new IoT protocol. They all come from vastly different backgrounds, and are moving in quite different directions. Just because DAG doesn't mean shit. Do you always fall so easily for these fancy words? A dag is a very simply structure, almost as simple as the blockchain. It's a stupid tree!! Wew. What a game changer. No, there's a bit more to this all... and no, it's not "news". At least not in the not so long run.

>If you BELIEVE in a technology, that's the same as BELIEVING stock you picked will go up. Aka. "gambling".
Fucking hell are you retarded. There is something behind stocks, and if I personally understand that busniess and see what it's place is in this world, then I can make a sound investment.
Not everyone here has no fucking clue about shit, and believes in the next best shitcoin, because they got a fancy logo. For fucks sake. Stop projecting.

>Let's now pretend feelings matter more than definitions.
You're an idiot.

Keeping an eye on the BCH pump

Once the koreans tire of it, and the flippening fails yet-fucking-again, look out ALL alts

>>5208813
Bitcoin ticker widget

Aeon, Mona and Strat, watch it pump while you hold btc bro (:

>>5210515
There it is the most moronic thing I'll read this week. Fuck off back to zero hedge comments.

>>5212981
Kzk'd

>Loads of fags saying BTC has a correction on the horizon

How many millions of normies and butthurt nocoiners are waiting for the "correction" to buy in? I could see BTC dropping to $14k, everyone buys in and it's over $25k within 24h. Crypto is fucked like that. Fucking HODL no matter what fags.

>>5205346
no, who will protect your sleeping chambers then?!

I don't agree.

Right now any stock or company that puts "blockchain" in their offering gets flooded with cash.

bitcoin is the coke of the cryptoworld, everyone is buying it. Won't be a 'crash' for a long time.
Right now in btc i see a health correction and establishing an equilibrium. We see this balance with other altcoins (today ETH) going up.

>>5204964
>SOY

incredible

>>5206918
ETH actually beat btc, from $10 to $850 (85x)
BTC went from $700 to $20000 (30x)
LTC did $4 to $350 (85x)
Ripple did a x100 early on, probably better now
Even fucking Digibyte outperformed everyone. It used to be at 30 sats when Bitcoin was $700. Now it's at 180 sats with BTC at $20000. Take all the gains of bitcoin, multiply it by 6 and you've got DGB. Yep, that's a cool x200 for early digimarines who held through the june crash.
Throwing your money at just about anything listed on poloniex in january of 2017 resulted in sat gains.

>>5212859
>>5213048

Need to go, so I'll wrap up, sorry.

The whole argument is about definitions between "business", "investing" and "gambling".

Crypto can be in any such category. Most people in 4chan fall into the "gambling" bucket.

I don't condemn either. I do condemn delusion when people think they're investors when they're gambling.

When I mentioned IOTA/XRB/etc. I meant that as a counter-argument to "muh tech means gains" thinking. Factors beyond tech are too important (my point).

Crypto can be a business and/or investment.

Doesn't mean saying "omg ARK MOONING!" turns anyone into an investor.

I'm not even saying there are clear lines. But calling a day-trader a "business person" doesn't make sense. Or a gambler (which any normie can be) posing as a day-trader (which is hard work and takes skill and research).

What's the difference between a sound investment and a lucky gamble? Nothing easy to prove, so I'm not judging.

E.g. you never may know if the mooning was because of actual rumor/news you knew about or whales just randomly dumping money into an undervalued shitcoin with a big enough market cap. Or both.

That's the "gambling" part that's hard to eliminate.

Predicting a moon vs predicting a 10x over 3 months is a big difference.

For the record: I'm a gambler. Maybe a careful one that does more research than the average anon, but I'm still a gambler.

I'd like to think of myself as a great investor, but I'm just a gambler. A "safe gamble" is still a gamble. But then again, every job is a gamble too.