/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51611795
yeah i mean if you're not in cash right now you're pretty much retarded
also if bullets and gold are the only thing viable that means militaries will effectively take over everything
its not the end of the world
dark times ahead yes
but holy fuck just be in cash and get ready to buy le ebic dip

>>51611826
>but holy fuck just be in cash and get ready to buy le ebic dip
I am but the dip isn't here yet

>>51611795
/pol was basically unusable last night with all the slide threads and the bullshit about the king fu coup. Polacks are so inundated with habbenings all the time they miss the big ones.
But it's like we all feel this one. Something is gonna snap, the markets and in fact most of stable civilization are literally an overblown bubble floating through a briar patch. We are just all trying to figure out which thorn it will be.

>>51611862
it is not
the layoffs have only begun
people are ecstatic about inflation going down but that's only part 1 of how this works
it's like being happy you lived through a motorcycle accident
now you have reconstructive surgery
now you have rehab
now you have phantom pain

>>51611928
>>51611925
>>51611862
Go back.

>>51611795
We changed from a deflationary environment to a stagflation with permanent high inflation.
In an inflationary environment the debt of the collapsing empire with the reference currency losing this status has a value of 0 while real property and profitable companies have a higher value.

Look at what happened in Turkey to the stock market.
The higher the inflation is the more people flee to property and stocks is part of it.
Nobody wants to buy debt from a collapsing empire which cannot pay it back and is on the verge of seeing high inflation after losing its reserve status.

>>51611928
And
now you have to fix the bike (market)
but there aren’t any parts (liquidity)
now you have to buy a new bike (reforms)
but the dealerships don’t have no bikes

>>51611945
>Seething mumu
If you think we've seen the bottom yet it's you who needs to go back jeet.

>>51611925
>>51611928
I have a feeling that something is happening, I wonder if we will have another 2007/8 I was around 16 years old last time and it didn't make a difference for me, but these days I feel a sense of impending doom..

GME predicted this
We've been calling for a market crash for two years. Invest to become part of the new global financial elite

>>51611928
Is this really a good metaphor? Living through the motorcycle accident and essentially not dying is far and away the hardest part and right now, we’re far from the hardest part
>>51612066
It’s likely to be much, much worse than 2008 friend. At least from what Biz has said whenever I’ve made a thread asking if it’d be worse; the consensus was almost always “hold on to your butts, it’s gonna be worse?

>>51611826
You would think that buying puts would work, but I seem to have found a way to lose money buying puts in the worst market humanity has ever seen. It's almost impressive, when you think about it.

>>51612066
Honey, we're already at 2008 levels, and yes, no one willing to admit it. Problem is, this is only the beginning and there's much further down to go from here.

>>51612238
People are still spending money drinking in bars and eating out, last recession many bars and eateries in my county shut down because of the ''economic crisis'' I think it's going to happen again

>>51612259
People have gotten used to indulging themsevles. If anything I expect there to be a lot of weirdness surrounding that. Food going up in price and scarcity might not matter all that much when people are more concerned buying funko pops, video games and monthly streaming services.

>>51612290
If elites are selling treasuries it might mean that they know something we don't, people might not be able to afford eating out, buying video games and streaming services, many small businesses would go bankrupt

>>51612238
And this is all based on observation of stock markets? Lol it's never been a good predictor of actually relevant macroeconomic indicators

>>51612238
odd request, but can you call me honey?

>>51612333
I’m not saying they would be able to afford them, I’m saying that even if they go up, people would be more likely nowardays to give up food if it meant watching the newest transformers or marvel movie

>>51612092
>predict a crash
>for 2 years
>happens
>omg calllleeeddddd ittttt
God you fucking assholes are insufferable. 2 fucking years is not a prediction. They will predict it every year until it’s right. What is it now T+96? BBBY FTDs?

>>51612092
plz to go back sire

Not the least concerned. After living through 7 "economic" crisises which in retrospective were all just redistributions from households and state to state actors and certain private economic actors I live by the Nothing Ever Happens philosophy.

The ponzi needs constant growth even if it means leveraging the next 50 generations, and this game is running since at least 3000 years

>>51612259
>>51612290

It's credit. People are still taking out new cards/loans to buy food and they're going to ignore the payments. Everyone is officially too retarded for their own good; enjoy the global depression.

>>51611862
exactly this, a lot of shits are pumping rn, even my shinja bags have been doing quite well for days now

>>51612238
We never recovered from 2008 because the crash wasn't allowed to happen and Central Banks flooded the world with funny money.

Should I exit my positions and go all cash? Even if some of them are at a loss?

>>51611826
Why cash when i can just buy bear shares? I don't really understand cashgang sometimes, theres still money to be made on the way down bro even if you don't want to fuck around with options.

>>51613281
they're all going to go down more on monday

>>51613112
It's not, it's just that the jobs are still there right now, the companies haven't started laying people off in droves yet. When that shit starts happening restaurants are gonna be mostly old retired folks who don't have their retirements dependent on stocks and the lucky few who make enough and still have their jobs to go out regularly. my advice for you anons who are worried is to get a job for *LOCAL* governments doing things for shit like the city utilities or the court house or something. Those jobs aren't going away in a depression, they're not going away if there is some radical change of power on a national scale due to social upheaval, they're some of the most stable jobs out there. If we're at a point where people don't need their water pipes, or the court house or highschools or whatever then you're not going to make it through with anything resembling your lifestyle now anyway

>>51612402
Sure Hon ;)

>Poltards
>GLP tards
>Begging jeets
>Nonstop begging posts
Yup we are way below the bottom, prepare to price all poorfaggots out and they scream habbenings for the next decade.

>>51613493
thanks

>>51612230
Just hold on, black monday is coming

>>51612230
Options are for 150+ IQ players only. If you can't simulate the probability spread for volatility and price in your head for the next few days then you shouldn't ever buy them.
Selling can be lucrative, but you still need 120 IQ for that.

>>51611928
This exactly, after the holiday season once Q1 of 2023 hits we will begin to feel the full impact. The FED literally said they want to crash the job market. Cash is king biz bros, if your still waging hold on to your job as long as possible.

I have done decent in options and that is bringing some extra income in but not enough if i got laid off. Best of Anons shits about to get wild.

everyone forecasting doom is underestimating the boomer factor
boomers are in the early stages of retirement, or entering it right now
they literally can't retire (or stay retired) if stocks and bonds keep dumping
do they care about inflation? not really, their financial position is tied much closer to asset valuations

so the question you need to ask yourself is, does the fed care more about the ultra rich and a valuable political block (boomers), or people who are impacted by inflation (poors)? answering that easy question is all you need to do to inform your investment decisions.

>>51613797
>or people who are impacted by inflation (poors)? answering that easy question is all you need to do to inform your investment decisions.
They can't let the dollar inflate too much, it will become worthless, it will hit the rich too

>>51611987
>don't have no bikes
>Double negative
New bikes for all, golden bull confirmed!

>>51613797
yes they will throw boomers under the bus just like they did by unleashing covid. White boomers are republicans and are not a substantial voting bloc as the new "Americans"
Global shadow market matters more than domestic markets at this point especially when a new bloc is forming. And before any shills Zeihan and his shit ideas, he's funded by the CIA and a cheerleader for HRC

>>51613797
>so the question you need to ask yourself is, does the fed care more about the ultra rich and a valuable political block (boomers), or people who are impacted by inflation (poors)? answering that easy question is all you need to do to inform your investment decisions.
Then they would have ever done what they are doing now.

Reminder that SPY is still up 46.46% over the last 5 years which is right in line with historical averages.

All this fear mongering is moronic.

There is no major crash. This is simply a reversion to the mean.
There will be no recession.

Breath, and zoom out. Anyone with a brain is not stressing at all right now. The only people underwater are stupid noobies. Investing is a 30+ year game not 1 year.

>>51612333
Don't put too much into the selling treasuries thing. They're pointing out how historically this has LIEK NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE OMAGOSH but the reality is we went through a psychotic period of disgusting low federal interest rates.

The long period of low interest rates meant bonds were significantly less attractive. The inflation due to Keynesian faggotry is now timed up so that interest rates went from garbage to still-very-low-but-will-increase and the stock markets are crashing. The end result is stocks get fucked, and bond prices get fucked because everyone is just waiting on higher rates.

>>51614077
>Don't put too much into the selling treasuries thing.
To clarify: we are absolutely going down. But the Chicken Littles are faggots.

>>51611987
And
now you don't have a bike (money)
your gf can no longer orgasm on the back (investing)
now she dumps you (a loan)
and now you need to find a new gf (income)
but girls don't like guys without bikes

>>51613708
Only sell what you already have. Never sell naked.

>>51614018
The fed is preparing for a world war. If our current becomes hyper inflated we will not be able to produce the tanks and bombs with an intact commercial sector.
This is not about rich or poor anymore. This is about shifting to a war economy. China is a major economic rival, and they currently have the tools to print off a naval ship once a day.

>>51611795
Am I the only one making money in this market and enjoying it?

>>51614018
they haven't done anything, it's all jawboning
interest rates are still far below the official rate of inflation
if they were serious about stopping inflation, rates would be pegged above the rate of inflation
of course this would crush the ultra rich, boomers, and even the state/federal government, who wouldn't be able to roll over their debt
no one who matters in the u.s. cares about inflation

>>51614351
Hell yeah. I arranged my Shemitah Portfolio nearly a year ago. Started buying puts around July through August. Sitting very smuggly eating my matzah.

>>51613420
because we're in the gayest and most retarded time of our lives. the market is simultaneously crashing hard, and if you think you can survive by shorting, you'll lose even harder. its ultra homo

>>51614351
>613 quadrillion percent

>>51614879
>just realized it's octillion

>>51611795
Plenty of doomers on social media. Their product is doomposting and their motto is "I'm not wrong, just early". Some reputable doomers were early for years.
Do yourself a favour and don't follow them, especially the ones that draw conclusions from charts. They are modern carnival fortune tellers.

>>51614286
Hyper inflated currents are definitely not good.

>>51615032
God damnit you know what I meant. Do you think the federal reserve isn’t planing for wwIii?

>>51615165
Don't see any evidence of that from over the pond no.

>>51614716
pretty much this, you can buy puts and then have the FED pump garbage stocks and lose money when these companies should be filing for bankruptcy