/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51547897
Fuck modern Goymany

These fucking krauts have been propping up this masonic nightmare of the EU with their retarded policies. Hopefully the energy crisis and inflation will crash this sand castle meme project known as the European Union

The Eternal Kraut strikes again. Keep voting for funny Green parties faggots

>>51547934
EU collapsing would be glorious for the US. Europe can only keep the US off their back because of their combined "might" but without it the US can dominate Europe for the next century.I cant wait.

>>51547962
It's actually the opposite lol

The EU was created by America after the end of WWII. It's a masonic puppet of Washington, we basically obey to whatever you say. Pure ZOG organization on the leash of the US

>>51547987
Yes good split up and be forced to negotiate with the US 1 on 1. It is surely in your countries best interest to negotiate with someone who has 20x your net worth.

>>51547987
looks like either way europoors are destined to follow the US

>Be Fortum - Finnish state owned energy company
>Buy 75% of Uniper stocks during 2017-2022 with total of 7 billion €
>fast forward to 2022, Germany nationalizes Uniper and pays Fortum 0,5 billion from the same stocks.

>>51548025
Meant to say during 2017-2020

>>51548025
SUOMI :D:D:D:D:D:D

>>51547897
Finance and economics are pseudoscientific make believe garbage, capitalism is inherently unstable, exploitative and unsustainable with a built in expiration date. All finance assets like money,crypto,debt,bonds etc are purely parasitic in nature and serve no purpose nor have any inherent value. Ever escalating recessions, poverty,wealth inequality, monopolies, disease, pollution, slavery, conflict and wars are fundamental, necessary and intended functions of it, NOT glitches, and every single financier or crypto dudebro is a literal parasite.

Privatization is the act of the devil. Any movement towards the abolition of private property is welcome.

Weimar shit

>>51548066

>states and governments utterly fuck up their economies with endless interventionism
>THIS IS CAPITALISM'S FAULT!!! YES QUEEN

>>51548066
kys tranny commie

Capitalism is dead. Enjoy the socialism

>>51547897

>>51548114

National socialism, coming soon, in fact. It's like the 1920's are just repeating themselves.

>>51548025
how come, they said 99% shares will cost 16B?

>>51548009
>negotiate with the US 1 on 1
kek, imagine caring about the USofA after 2001. Fucking hilarious.
The USofA is done. I buy my stuff from china, and since I dont care about niggers/trannies/faggots, nothing important is left in the USofA

>>51548141
I don't know about that number, but our 6 billion losses are all over Finnish media now.

>>51547897
Woah, Germany nationalized private industry. Can they just cool it with the antisemitism?

>>51547897
Did you know that:
>The average japanese train has an average delay of 0.5 minutes!
>Almost every railway in Japan is owned and operated privately!
>Almost every railway in Germany is owned by the Government!
>1 in 4 long-distance trains were late in Germany!

70 years of liberalism can’t erase 1000 years of Teutono-Germanic fuckery in Eastern Europe. Baltic states and Konigsberg liberation soon

>>51547897
>16 billion euros
only 16? you'd thing being the most critical part of your countries current infastructure would cause you to have a higher value. I guess they get to enjoy watching the company go down the tubes now though, you know they aren't going to improve it such that they would of way back when

>>51548279
While i hate the Bahn, cant compare them with japanese autism, no trail system in the world is as autistic

>>51547934
Did the elections happen yet in pastaland or no ?

>>51548066
Hand over your phone or computer then trannoid

>>51547897
This is what corporate welfare is like. Let them gamble as much as they’d like when things are good and have the state acquire them when things get bad

>>51547897
Gas, Water, Electricity, Internet and the Post should be publicly owned. What a fucking joke that I am forced to pay some fag Finish billionaire for my gas.
>oh but muh capitalism
There is no capitalism in basic services, I have to get gas and electricity and most of the time there is only one available provider to "chose" from.
The infrastructure is built by the state then private corporations benefit from it. Literal oligarchy.
Same thing with the Deutsche Post. 80% is privately owned, yet all the infrastructure gets financed by the state anyways.

>>51548477
you pay less if it's the finnish billionaire
you will pay a LOT more for government.
Always.
Trust me, I work for the government.

>>51548393
They are buying it at pennies for the dollar. pic related

>>51548403
white civilization was built on autism and might yet again run on it

>>51548403
the reason their quality of life is so high is because of autism.

>>51548477
all this stuff used to be state owned before germany privated it in the 90s-2000s. the quality on everything took a nosedive as bean counters and consultants took over.

>>51548498
>you pay less if it's the finnish billionaire
I won't, that's the thing. I understand that capitalism and competition will bring prices down and quality up, but that's not what is happening here.
There is no competition, there is no capitalism. I am forced to buy from x provider because that's the only one available.
It's literally just private ownership of public services. Might as well privatize the Autobahn.

>>51548540

Isn't capitalism then. It's just the state saying it doesn't want the responsibility of managing X enterprise even though they have their hand up its puppet ass. No competition = no free market.

>>51548540
You described the fact that the government subsidized the infrastructure.
Why?
And are you sure there is competition? I'm pretty sure a powerful government was lobbied and there was basic corruption.

>>51548431
25 of september

But unfortunately they're all pro EU. Some parties just slightly less

>>51548591
>>51548614
So why shouldn't I be in favor of making these services public? Since they pretty much are already publicly funded but private companies profit of it?
As I said, Internet, Gas, Water, Electricity and the Post should be nationalized since all the infrastructure is already financed by the state anyways.
I would prefer that some additional retard paper pushers get hired by the mommy state instead of some Billionaire just getting a nice paycheck for some reason.

It's irrelevant who owns a gas company if there is no gas.

>>51548743

I mean yeah, if the state is going to dictate that there can only be this company then it should just be managed by the state. Statism masquerading as a free market is perversion.

You need to realize something: public industries only offer guarantees, not quality. Nor innovation. If internet, for instance, was an entirely state managed enterprise from the start, we would still be sitting at dial up speeds, because that's all they're there to do. So think wisely about what you want to handicap in the name of a guarantee.

A classic example of this rift in efficiency and quality is the USPS vs. Amazon or FedEx. It would be even worse if Amazon/FedEx weren't there to spoonfeed the USPS basic improvement ideas.

>>51547897
They will kick the can down the road a little bit longer on electricity prices that the consumer sees. Effectively they're implementing price caps on electricity and subsidizing the losses. What will happen is what always happens: shortages. Demand for electricity is relatively inelastic but now it will decrease less than it otherwise would have, so the blackouts (when they happen) will be more severe and more difficult to manage.

Long-term, this will increase the tax burden on the few remaining profitable businesses.

>>51548743
You yourself would have a very high standard of living if you would allow more competition to provide services to you and your cohort.
It is precisely because you are attempting to prevent somebody from getting rich by providing you a service that you make a sole individual, capable of lobbying the government, very wealthy.
Because you do not allow competition on your behalf, you have a lower standard of living each year, and if you do not, your national debt grows to permit your standard of living to be funded but eventually (now it seems pretty obvious it will be within the decade) you will have a fiscal and monetary crisis.

>>51547897
>What are the implications here?
They're gonna use it to justify tax increases to further impoverish people.

>>51548066
Can't argue with that. Truth hurts

>>51548066
whenever i see posts like this i imagine a degenerate day trader who trades based on le charts and le maymay coin

>>51550105
He said all forms of money are parasitic so presumably he only trades physical commodities for other physical commodities.

>>51547897
>throw billions for covid mask and tests
>throw billions for ukrain
>throw billions for energy companies
>throw billions in the army

no billions for infrastructure
no billions for schools an university
no billions for science except climate change and gender studies

>>51547897
how can they redeem?

>>51548507
hmm should i buy uniper stocks ?

>>51547897
Germany should just gas themselves

>>51547934
I hate to break it to you, but the same masonic psychopaths that run the EU are the ones causing the energy crisis on purpose. This is the most obviously and clear cut case of "order out of chaos" I've ever seen.

>>51548507
>>51547897

hmm
1,2 billion market cap for a 116 billion per year company which will 100% generates revenue after gas crisis is over. not a bad deal.

>>51547897
Seriously, what the fuck is up with Germans and gas?
They're obsessed with the stuff.

>>51550947
>after gas crisis is over
Kek, he doesnt know

>>51547934
Based, 100% agree m8

t. Catalan

>>51547897
Germany can't help but come crawling back to NatSoc

>>51548009
Remember when they were telling Americans they need to join up with the rest of North America to compete against EU might.

>>51548066
for me its the mcchiken

>>51548235
KRAUTED.com

>>51547987
no it's not dumb kike

>>51548809
That’s utter bullshit, innovation isn’t created solely by private enterprises, one could say actual inventions were all made possible by public funding or government subsidised research.

>>51547897
Goes to show Germany is not only Socialist, but also Nationalist

>>51548498
>Trust me, I work for the government.
Why would I believe a retarded government drone, ever? This just convinces me more that privatization of critical utilities and infrastructure is a terrible idea.

>>51548539
>the quality on everything took a nosedive as bean counters and consultants took over.
This is what people don't understand, the inevitable end of growth-at-any-cost capitalism is erosion of quality and cutting corners. Everything made by modern companies is of abysmal quality compared to things made 30 years ago, and people still think "hur dur muh free market" is good for the well-being of society.

>>51555607
You're not a national socialist if you hate government

>>51547897
>What are the implications here? Is germany saved or fucked?
it means that my country (Finland) paid a lot of money for nothing (again)
I can only laugh at this point

>>51555650

The exact opposite you window licking moron. A state mandated singular corporation isn't a "free market" by any stretch of thought. It's soft nationalization.

Check out literally any government bureaucracy or agency. Inefficient, backwards, slow moving bullshit. There is no impetus to change, grow, or innovate, they have guaranteed revenue and guaranteed clientele and will guaranteed never go out of business. Use your fucking brain.

>>51554241

see >>51555748

The ones you're thinking of were probably inspired by war, which is still competition. That's pretty much the only moment a state enterprise gets off its ass and starts thinking, because there's something to gain from it.

>>51548262
>Owning property is jewish

>>51547897
This all comes down to government fuckups in the first place. Enjoy 10% month over month inflation next month.

Most of you deserve it though, (you) worship the state as god.

>>51548961
I can't allow more competition. It's a cartel and it's not my fault that it exists. I am not making the laws, don't be delusional. Even if there were any competition, it would still end up the same - private companies benefiting from the infrastructure build by state money.
>>51548809
I don't need innovation in water, gas or electricity or the post. Internet would've advanced anyways. Nowadays there isn't even advancements in internet, we have pretty much hit a soft cap
>USPS
Shit service because the American gov doesn't invest any money in it and actively tries to fuck it over on every step possible.

>>51555988

You don't? No, you just don't know what was/is possible. If we were still sitting at dial up you'd be like "THE CURRENT INTERNET IS PERFECTLY FINE."

You haven't even noticed us going from 10-50 Mbps speeds to 1Gig+ with the growth of Fiber. Because you're a statist dullard. You deserve your state-issued little termite box and bare minimum rations with your state-issued janitor job, Cuba and Venezuela are waiting anon!

>>51548235
somehow this makes me feel a bit better, in germany we only ever hear how we are getting taken advantage of, didnt realize we were fucking the finns like that kek

>>51556036
I had dial up and I can tell you nobody was saying that that piece of shit was fine.
Going from 50 mbps to 1gig was something from 10 years ago, where is "innovation" from these billion dollar companies right now?
Oh and wait, that fiber internet you are praising was by a large part developed by publicly funded Uni professors.

>>51556188

How the fuck do you think you're making a point? We went from dial up to broadband 100 kbps --> 10 Mbps, because of private innovation. We went from broadband to fiber, 10 Mbps --> 1 Gbps, because of the same process.

This doesn't happen in a context where there's no competition whatsoever, a guaranteed client base, no further income from improvements. It just doesn't.

For all you know we could have more efficient water transportation/treatment systems and more reliable power grids in a freer market, but you never will, because we're stuck with state mandated puppet corporations and no competition whatsoever.

>goes onto a business/finance board
>is a commie/statist little bitch

I'll never understand this one. Go to r/socialism or r/antiwork or whatever.

>>51547962
>>51548009
this is a us intelligence agency shill in case it wasnt obvious

>>51548025
>>51548235
There's more to this: a few weeks ago we gave Germany a 16 billion loan to save Uniper and now they forced bought the whole company for half a billion. And in addition to that Finland as an energy independent country has to pay the same electricity costs as Germans who were relying on Russian gas. And the other other day the highest officer in the German army said Putin might plan an attack on Finland. According to US and Fin army officials that too goes to show how out of touch with reality this country is.

>>51547934

Why are Italians so loud and obnoxious? I heard your cities smell like sewage in the summer too.

Fix your plumbing before commenting on Germany's asshole, deigo.

>>51556424
Thank you for playing. No refunds. Renewable energy isn't going to finance itself. Germany is leading the world in moving towards a brighter future. You, snow albanians, can learn a thing or two from Germany. United we stand
Deutschland über Alles

>>51554737
I am also an avid still life Phd of culture

>>51548066
I hear this ever so often and it never changes my mind. Come up with an alternative besides the government and I’ll give you a listen. Until then please head back over to

>>>Red*dit

>>51549219
I can argue with it. If the german government had financed new nuclear power plants like they were planning to prior to Fukushima then none of this would be a problem. It’s really too bad that all those “freely elected” politicians took lobbying money from Gazprom and axed the only thing that could have saved Germany. It’s all so deliciously ironic.

If Germany had given the free market the ability to meet the needs of it’s citizens then there would’ve surely been investment in nuclear.

>>51556796
this is a beautiful photography anon. it makes me think of something but i can't quite put my finger on it. well done

>>51547897
>Germany
>Nationalization
>Gas
Uh guys

>>51556905
And even in this situation they are refusing to keep nuclear plants running. Not building, not restarting, but yes you read it right, THEY ARE REFUSING TO KEEP THEIR NUCLEAR PLANTS RUNNING. And this makes no difference France and Finland etc are starting new reactors as we speak and then Germany will just buy that energy...

>>51556796
my fucking god thats the worst/best one so far.

nice free market capitalism lmao

>>51547934
vatnik posting is frowned upon here

>>51556424
There is no war in Eurasia

>>51552638
shut the fuck up EU rat shill

>>51548066
You favors falling for the obvious copy pasta.

>>51547897
>Germany
>National Socialism

I see nothing wrong with this

>>51557537
*faggots

>>51547934
>Germans have any agency
Anon....I

>>51548066

>>51547934
>it's the masons !
>trust my small shitskin arab brain, goy

>>51556246
These improvements happened in a context where there's no competition whatsoever and a guaranteed client base though.
Internet was monopolized from the beginning. Providers are owned by the same investment firms and often time share the market by operating in different areas as to not cause competition to each other. Yet these improvements happened anyways.
Weird.