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And newfag retards will call this sustainable, pretending it isn’t due for the soul-crushing correction that it’s never had, and these 80s boomers haven’t even begun retiring, wait till they hit retirement age and start dumping their bags on you retards for casino money and ranch houses, just wait till they can’t import enough foreigners fast enough to continue growth-propping up this ponzi

agreed
my theory is that index funds are top buying exit liquidity machines used to convince normies to eat up shares in companies that have alreadt made it, and the VCs that were in early can now dump them on blind buyers who just "contribute monthly to a good index fund and dont worry about it"

>>51326659
>>51326695
>>51326706

the state of biz these days, retards thinking your decades old index fund is akin to a shitcoin made in mumbai by a guy named Amar

Most biz retards literally don't know that profitable companies pay out quarterly dividends to shareholders. They unironically just compare stocks to random fiat Ponzi cryptos. The absolute state of /biz/

>>51326774
>>51326737
Actually good posts, based and boglepilled

>>51326659
>>51326695
Bunch of crypto biz faggots thinking that all 80’s boomers bought ALL 500 individual stocks at that time and held. You circled $120 and related it to $3900 like it’s a coin you buy. You can’t buy the SP moron it’s not an individual stock.

>>51326774
>>51326737
>Buy my oil divies at the top bro trust me, the gas shortage is legit and forever

>>51326782
This. OP confuses ponzis like crypto with real businesses that provide actual value and make real profits. Instead of simple dollars you could e.g. look at the P/E chart of the S&P500 which makes much more sense. But cryptards don't do that because crypto has no P/E ratio (or rather one of zero)

>>51326774
>S-s-stop it!!! Buy my s&piss at the top right now!!

>>51326737
thats why i hand select my stocks in my roth ira, mostly INTC, MMM, WBA, T, GLW, and FRT

>>51326833
>he didnt buy at -14$ a barrel

>>51326812
When someone invested in the s&p in 1980 how much did it cost? if they sold tomorrow how much will they have gained? If they sell tomorrow who will have bought those bags(you)? How long do you think that perpetual gworth will continue for? Let me guess bro, the economy only goes great forever onward right?
>Perpetually up forever and ever totally radical never ending upward motions of awesomeness and growth bro!!
Keep dreaming faggot, your pouring your money into a system, and like all systems it obeys the laws of the pendulum, so it’s a a system that will inevitably collapse via the laws of reality when it reaches its destined geometric postion.

>>51327052
>only goes great forever onward, faster and faster forever and ever until it’s pissing out infinite gains at the speed-o-light!!!!!!!!
KEK what a retard. Take a look at your own graph dumbass, notice any patterns? The higher the rise the lower the fall. The less time to recoup. How long do you think that pattern can continue? Because i can tell you right now it doesn’t anywhere else in reality. You’re on the final ascent of the roller coaster at top speed before it comes crashing down its last leg ending your life as you know it, solely because you were born at the wrong moment in history and the boomer was born before you.

>>51327052
You can’t buy the SP 500 you bafoon it’s not like a coin. If they bought even say 50 stocks in the SP in the 80’s they aren’t still holding those. What concept of the SP500 not being like your coins aren’t you understanding here? The pic I posted was certainly related tell me anon why is it called S&P 500?

>>51327094
> The higher the rise the lower the fall. The less time to recoup.
Now ask yourself what happens when it rises even higher then falls even harder then takes even less time to recoup before rising again and less time before it crashes again, that in itself will create a macro pattern of a top right before a giant dump back to 1800 growth speed/gains

>>51326901
I have pretty heavy INTC bags in my personal portfolio, I don't think they are going bankrupt any time soon but the price action has been brutal.
Hang in there anon!

>>51327109
>y-you don’t technically buy it bafoon!! You give your money to a guy and he buys things for you then gives you the gains in the things he buys!!
>Y-you see he just GIVES his money to the s&p who then buys apple for boomer bob at $20 then boomer bob tells s&p to sell that same share to you at 50x!!! It’s totally different man!! You see there’s a middle man!!
The s&p is a reflection of the economic growth, your buying growth, if you think perpetual growth forever and ever faster and faster larger and larger forever and ever is sustainable just because boomer bob got to do it means you’re the idiot for giving him whatever money you have to ride the roller coaster right before they turn off the power

>>51326659
>>51327168
>buying things that used to be cheaper makes you an idiot and a sucker
Such a trenchant insight, wow. Amazing.

>>51327109
Let me put it in a way you can understand, Silent Johnny made a roller coaster, Silent Johnny got to take a ride on the roller coaster that has one seat, it was a long ride and went real slow. Then Great Greg bought the ride from Johnny at a cheap price, he rode the ride and it went a little faster and a littler higher, came down a little hard, overall it was an okay ride. Then by the time boomer bob got his turn to purchase the roller coaster, it was great, it went up real fast and forward real fast, it was intense! Then came along little Millennial Mike. By the time millennial mike could buy the ride from boomer bob it was pretty damn it was going faster than ever before, higher than ever before, it was going so fast and high and falling so fast and hard it was un-controllable, dangerous even, this is when mike realized he should’ve bought a farm and let boomer bob keep his rollercoaster. Luckily the engine overheated and the ride came to a halt, everyone agreed the ride shouldn’t go that fast anymore because it’s not sustainable and doesn’t make for a very fun ride.

All your ancestors have overall gained, more and more, faster and faster, did you think that could last forever? That someone would have to ride that pendulum back to the other side?

>>51327265
>it was pretty damn it was going faster than ever before, higher than ever before
You mean like in pic?

>>51327265
Generation alpha will then buy that ride from you cheap, far cheaper than what you paid, and the cycle will confuse, until another sucker generation like you is born to take the fall for the generations before you

>>51327052
>like all systems it obeys the laws of the pendulum
Your story is old and boring, and it has been disproven time and time again by humanity and our sheer will to exist and dominate all life. There is a thing called progress and humanity is quite good at it. Do you really believe that we've now reached the top and will go back to the stone age? Go and join Greta and the other regressives, but we're off to the fucking stars and I'll happily bet against you and your kind in the stock market or anywhere else.

>>51327168
>>51327265
These are going to be archived and possibly the dumbest posts on biz this year. Read your thread from the beginning to watch a real time moron riding his own stupidly rollercoaster. I think you proved everyone right in this topic who disagreed with you by just posting, so thank you for that.

>>51327299
My thoughts exactly.
The dumbassery alone was great to read, but the anger just put the cherry on top.

>>51327299
>>51327293
The correction will happen, it always does and mathematically and geometrically we’re on the verge

>>51327387
Your chart looks exactly like this chart: >>51327290

>>51327299
>>51327293
>>51327387
As i pointed out above, you retards do realize these gains are entirely “funded” by human bodies piling their “value” into it. Let me guess, humans will just keep multiplying and multiplying forever and ever in larger and greater numbers just to pile into the s&p forever too! LOL Totally sustainable bros!! Infinite humans to like into the infinite upward machine! Because that’s a thing that happens to finite things prone to collapse over and over throughout our brief history of perpetual collapses and rises, infinity and infinite rises of the same exact system!! kek

>>51327299
The U.S is literally a country in decline, the next fall of rome and the S&P being at its generational top means that the fun is over.
Its not stupid to be concerned about not investing in its future. Its one of the reasons the retards from Wall Street went into China and got assblased by chinkniggers by their scams, since the market in the U.S was already too topped up.

>>51327440
> Its one of the reasons the retards from Wall Street went into China and got assblased by chinkniggers by their scams
bingo. It’s entirely clear the elites know exactly what the fuck i’m referring to, just listen to fucking Ray Dalio, he’s not even subtle about exactly what i’m referring to, you normie npc retards have no fucking clue even when they’re saying it right to your face KEK. Fun time is over retards, you missed the ride, boomer bob got to have the fun time swing, you get hard time swing, get ready.
https://youtu.be/xguam0TKMw8

>>51326774
>>51326812
>>51327331
>>51327299
>>51327293
I mean HOLY FUCK. Could those in the know have made it any easier and more openly digestible to you npc retards about what’s happening and how the world works? They know they don’t get to have a say, this is how it works you stupid subhuman fucks, you don’t just get to wish away the laws of reality. Your ancestors gains have a price and your about to pay it retards.

>>51327520
How do I invest in china

>>51327440
>>51327467
Also to add, China has been buying chunks of shares and the entire infastructure of countries, even western wealthy ones for a long time, even though China quality we know is utter dogshit garbage, their shares in decisions and influence in western politics and economy is stupid to underestimate or overlook.
Second these fuckers are putting money heavily into third world cheap countries via loansharking, they get access to their resources like minerals and WATER and infrastructure while everyone else is like "lol china wont beat U.S"
Anyone in western markets for the longrun is an average midwit "investors" or trader who will be broke. Until the Dollar can fix itself (note, it cant. Its overdebted, overinflated already) then find the next empire and focus on that for the long run.

>>51327520
>you don’t just get to wish away the laws of reality
Exactly, and that's what doomsayers like you (that btw have existed for all of human history and have always been wrong in the long run) never grasped. The progress we've made as humanity has been beyond the wildest dreams of even the most deluded optimist, and there is no reason why exactly now, everything should be different.

Oh and about that funny graph by Ray:
https://fortune.com/2022/08/16/ray-dalio-liquidated-alibaba-stake-amid-firesale-of-five-chinese-stocks/

>>51327713
Doomsayers are like bears, they are mostly wrong, but when they are right the feast heavily. Like a bear, they eat a lot then go into a long hibernation.
People said the fall of rome is happening yet noone belived, now we know. Empires rise and fall, thats the natural order of the world and things wont change since human nature has not changed.

>>51327741
I'm not saying that empires live forever and that doomsayers are never right. But whenever people come with the big "humanity can't always go up" story, I know they're wrong, We cannot even imagine in our wildest dreams where the future will take us and what's still possible.

>>51327778
I predict in 100 years we're going to carve up the moon into different regions owned by different countries just like we did with Antarctica. Our descendents will be buying our literal moonbags.

>>51327168
Yeah bro just buy an inflationary shitcoin and wait for rajesh to rugpull you. The zoomed investing strat.