/biz/ - Business & Finance

>Thanks for your interest in this position. Unfortunately, we've reviewed your application and have decided we won't be moving forward with you for this role.

Thanks again for your interest in working with us. We'll be sure to keep you in mind if anything new comes up that's a good fit.

>>51316945
All I ever get is roasties messaging me with jobs. Kek like I'd ever take anything they say seriously, keep wasting your LinkedIn credits on me.

>>51317080
I have filters set up to automatically trash emails with these phrases since I get them so often lol

>>51316945
What are better alternatives?

Does anyone get better results from Linkedin moreso than Indeed?

>>51316945
>>51317764
made a thread the other day about what the best way to find a job was. jannies gave me a warning, but the options were
>shotgun blast resumes via ziprecruiter/careerbuilders
>sniper shot by tailoring resumes to each job posting
>melee combat by contacting recruiters/companies via linkedin
some people have good results with linkedin, but im averse to making a profile and doing all the connections and crap.

>>51316945
When I started using Indeed the # of pajeet scammers calling me increased 10x

>>51318126
warning for what? job search discussions are not allowed here"

>>51317313

if you aren't a complete fucktard you use linkedin.

>>51318192
trans jans have been over moderating
They ban me every couple of weeks for no reason

>>51318192
Nothing besides crypto shilling is allowed on this board unless it's the middle of the night then there's a million shitpost threads. A thread like this can survive during that time but it has to compete with roll threads, porn and other crap.

>>51317080
The best is when a recruiter reaches out and I tell them the same thing.

>>51316945
>apply for mcdonalds job on indeed
>it has 1000 applicants

>>51317236
>Thank you for reaching out. After further review, I've decided that your company is not a good fit for me. However, I will keep your information and if something changes I'll be sure to contact you

>>51316945
Is there an automated system to send resumes to jobs automatically?

>>51318454
For me it's
>Thanks for letting me know about this interesting opportunity. Unfortunately, I am not currently seeking a new position, but I will keep your company in mind if that changes.

>>51318509
>yeah, I want the entire hiring process to be work just like tinder

It's 2022, for fucks sake

>>51318509
Shouldnt be too hard to automate searching, clicking every job offer that pops up, and then click the "Apply " button if it exists while ignoring all the job offers that make you apply on their site (waste of time).

>>51316945
Every company knows anyone who doesn't have a job right now is a lazy pathetic piece of shit that quit to get free gibs thusfore get fucked you aren't employable

Bros I just turned 27 and all I've done is be a truck driver for multiple different companies, the pay is ok but the constant ot is killing me. I want to get into some entry level IT desk job with no experience. What should I look for or is over for me.

>>51318827
There hasn’t been gibs for over a year

>>51318840
Manual testing then learn automation/automated testing and THEN fomo into management.

>>51316945
I'm convinced this site is just a front to fish for user info, have had maybe 2 people actually reach out to me for interviews in a 6 month period of using it pretty consistently, the rest either never even replied or gave me the stock denial email back.

That are I'm an unemployable loser

>>51318932
I fundamentally dont believe you fags. My resume is dog shit as im working on a 5 year gap yet can still easily get interviews. Literally anyone with programming knowledge can at least get an interview.

>>51317764
Linkedin is just facebook for job-hunters.
so it automatically is fucking trash

>>51318966
Couldn't speak to that then, my background isn't in tech. Is it hard to start over and learn to code at 23 or am I NGMI?

Captcha: XDRTX

>says preferred
>read the actual job description
>required

>>51318966
I've applied to probably over 200 jobs in the last 4 months and haven't had a single interview

>>51318840
I wish I knew how to drive. You guys make so much money but you always want more.

>>51318420
How is this even possible. Are the numbers fake?

because boomers/jews made getting a job impossible.

>>51319199
Economy's in the shitter, anon.

>>51319045
>23(twenty three) years "old"
40 year olds do it. I even worth with one who did so in his 60s...

>>51319082
Location?

>>51316945
Boomers, like everything else

>>51318225
I got my last 8 jobs using LinkedIn

>>51316945
I get weekly (sometimes multiple weekly) job offers by recruiters. I got my current job by responding to one of these messages. What benefit does Indeed have over just having a LinkedIn profile and making recruiters seek you out?

Are we seriously talking about fucking jobs on /biz? Major bottom signal.

>>51319229
California

>>51319587
hahahaha
our pain is shared

>>51319587
>California

>>51318785
Manually sorting thru jobs to apply to is a massive time suck

>>51316945
Indeed is for low skill workers
Dice is for low skill tech workers
LinkedIn is for high skill tech workers

>>51320758
hahahahahahaha

>>51316945
its like tryna get girls at the bar scene. friends

I've always gotten a job with indeed. One page resume red and black I make it on my phone. Convert it to .pdf

Definately worthwhile to find the best temp work agency near you. You could be working tomorrow. You have to show up early ready to work. There's lots of work. You get there early and put in a good effort you could work everyday.

>>51318420
mcdonalds in my town starts wagies at 23.50 and the manager makes a clean 80k. its shit work but its a real company with good opportunities for people who cant do much else.

Because you're competing with an infinite number of people. Just email them directly or do what >>51318225 said.

>>51316945
Honest to God, if you're out of work, the trick is to find 100 companies you want to work for and cold-email the directors there 2-3 sentences about you (don't email the fucking CEO and don't email middle-management or entry-level. Email a director.) The directors will often send your resume down the pipeline to whichever manager in the company is actually hiring and tell them to interview you. If you send it directly to the manager or entry-level they will ignore it, but they don't ignore emails from the directors. That's what worked with me anyway.

I'm talking about financial jobs in offices here, not McDonalds.

>>51317080
>"based on your resume, we think you may be a great fit for this position! apply today! please please please apply!!!"
>receive the same email from the same company every day for two weeks
>finally apply
>immediate rejection notice

>>51318966
Truth, there's some weird demoralization fud that's widespread on 4chan, all it takes is to go on linkedin and look at some of the trash resumes people have made and their career thus far. I saw a linkedin the other day of a kid who only worked at McD and had an IT degree and just recently landed a job as a SWE. His resume on experience just said mcdonalds and he had one coding project on there that was a dinky little game with no github. If you guys truly aren't getting passed interviews or getting any interviews, I can't imagine how bad your resume or how unlikable you could be.

>>51321159
oh, so i'm not the only one
>>51321044
that is fucking retarded
what the fuck even is the hiring process anymore?

>>51321159
Free for them to create job postings (low bids) just like free for you to click-click apply

>>51316945
Because these sites work just like Tinder and Bumble. The goal isn't to get your hired by an employer at a job that you like. The goal is to keep you using the website over time, and ideally finally cave and pay the website for "resume advice" or to "promote your resume"

>>51321166
you saw someone get lucky
i've seen bachelor's degree graduates with a neetly typed and arranged resume go two entire years without a job after quitting ralph's

>>51321044
>I'm talking about financial jobs in offices here, not McDonalds.
kek obviously.

>>51321199
That may be the case. But it's also only $0.25 per bullet to turn their entire office into swiss cheese.

>>51321166
that person is either very lucky or some kind of racial minority or woman or LGBTQ person. I have numerous jobs on my resume, I have a college degree. I've been working more or less full time for the past 10 years since graduating from university. I currently make $19 per hour. I can't seem to get anything more than an "entry level" job and when I try to apply to more senior roles at my various jobs I get a sit down meeting with my manager who tells me why I can't apply. It's happened at numerous jobs now. Of course they never say there's anything wrong with me, they always praise my performance in fact, but then they tell me to wait another year or two before applying to that higher position.

>>51317080
i got a really good job after this once from the same hiring manager

I could probably get a decent salary job in the $50k to $75k a range but I'm just so fucking lazy.
>"responsibilities- you have to talk to people (sometimes)"
>"Damn, so close..."
I just want a job where I fiddle with spreadsheets all day and no one bothers me and I can do a lot or a little work and still take home a fat paycheck. I have just enough education to be eligible for various higher-paying jobs but no drive to pursue them because they actually involve a modicum of work.

>>51319199
Most likely third worlders desperate for a visa.

I just graduated with a bachelor's in EE.
I've been job hopping all summer to try and maximize my salary.
I got my first job as a CADmonkey at 55K a year.
I worked there for 2 weeks and then ghosted and got a PCB design job at $70K a year salary.
I never even showed up to that one I used it to boost to a semiconductor job at $80K per year plus annual bonus.
I can't seem to get any higher than this though, is this my limit? How can I salary hop even higher?

Has anyone had any luck lying about having a degree or past jobs? I'm about to be kicked out from my parents house and I don't want to be homeless on the streets.

>>51328679
You can usually embellish but outright lying would be difficult. Most companies will do a background check before you start which will verify your employment and education history.

>>51319199
Yes. I post job listings on indeed for jobs that pay much better than McDonalds, I have 16 year olds making $17/hr. I had about ~50-60 applicants the last time I posted that job.
The most applicants I ever got in a short period of time was when I posted a security position for $20/hr but if you're familiar with Indeed you know that all you have to do is click a couple buttons and you can apply to a job so most my applicants were severely unqualified, that job had like 200-300 in 2 weeks IIRC. I literally hired 1 person from Indeed because he wasn't a retard and was normal. Most of the time I'm getting ghosted by applicants. I really don't understand the point of doing that after a phone interview where I tell you all the good and all the bad. I've already lost my patience with American workers in general and you can say it's money all you want but I have people who make $1,500-2k week that still suck at their job so I've been talking with a guy in Eastern Europe that sends students on J1 visas to work seasonally which my job is anyway so I'm just going to hire Eastern Europeans now.

>>51321199
It's literally not free. You have to pay every day to use it. Typically we pay about $25-40/day depending on how severely we are trying to hire.

>>51318383
Kek, I always reply on LinkedIn when they message me just to be polite.
>Best of luck with your search!

>>51329659
That much per posting?

>>51329968
They have 2 billing options.
The original (and one I use) is that you create a job post and pay them each day to leave it running, the more you pay the more visibility your job posting gets.
The other way is to basically only pay for each direct applicant you get. It's supposed to be a quality over quantity thing. I don't know the exact details because I've never used it. I prefer to go the traditional way and then I just filter people out based on my own intuition / pattern recognition / autism.
They also have a bunch of other gay features they try to upsell you on.

>>51317236

I only deal with 7/10 recruiters. And I insist that they take me out to lunch on their expense account at some of the higher end eateries in town. At least the ones that survived Covid nonsense and BLM molotovs.

>>51330656
Always order the most expensive item on the menu and then eat less than half of it. When the waiter asks if you want a to go box, say no.
Then look at the recruiter and smirk. Ultimate power move.

>>51319587
LOL

>apply for jobs all over
>end up getting a job through indeed of all places
i dunno man

>>51317080
>>51321159
Your resumes aren't getting past the automation and roastie filters if you receive this message. Toss some more buzzwords in there and link a bullshit social media profile or two.

>>51318126
>shotgun blast resumes via ziprecruiter/careerbuilders
very ineffective in terms of effort, but will get the job done.
>sniper shot by tailoring resumes to each job posting
I've done this but never really worked out. in retrospect, I get the same results from praising the company during the interview. e.g. interview at alberstons, "wow you guys really are direct competitors with Amazon!"
>melee combat by contacting recruiters/companies via linkedin
The most effective solution at the moment. just reply to all messages you have received (anything can even be thanks not interested), and then you end up at top of search results. just keep doing that. if it's not enough marketing, click through the recruiters friends premium profiles and they'll follow up as well.
>>51316945
I have no idea why indeed is so shit though. I guess because it comes up for outdated salaries on google, or might use it to steal interview questions to prep. Never got a job from there though after applying.

My method for indeed.
>wake up early, like 6am, and apply to all new jobs posted over night
>get back on around 1 and apply to new postings
>same resume but custom cover letters

Works pretty good for me the time of day is key because you want your email to be at the top of the inbox

>>51330919

I straight up had a couple hitting on me a few times. Once, the discussion went from experience levels and tech stack to whether I like to choke women during sex and how she loved to be dominated. Unfortunately, she was about 50 pounds heavier than I'm willing to go. She was just married too. The tech recruiter arena certainly has a type. Solid 6's graduate with their psychology or sociology degrees and go Pharma Sales or Tech Recruiter. There is a path paved for them.

>>51331378
>I straight up had a couple hitting on me a few times. Once, the discussion went from experience levels and tech stack to whether I like to choke women during sex and how she loved to be dominated.
I have nuclear-tier autism and unironically would not have realized that was flirting and I would have answered them straight-faced as though they were any other interview question.

In the financial field, how easy is it to get a credit analyst job or something similar by mag dumping quick applies on Indeed w/ no cover letter (new grad, no internships)

>>51328599
sounds like its a double edged sword, wouldn't future employers be worried about all the constant job hopping?

>>51331852
probably close to 0 make a cover letter template and plug in the job, where, you saw it, and qualifications that are listed in the ad

>>51331143

This. Most 1st round CVs NEVER seem human eyes.

Tips:

> Examine the job description and look for the buzzwords
> E.g. If you are applying for a Programmer job and see ADAPTABILITY, DEVELOPING, PROBLEM-SOLVING, use these words in your CV and Covering Letter

A targeted CV and covering letter works best. E.g. I did a degree in Geophysics and would have many sub-CVs and Covering letters.

E.g. A Seismic Data Processing role... I would use examples that matched this

A programming role...I would use different examples, or frame the examples I had differently

>>51332084
>This. Most 1st round CVs NEVER seem human eyes

This is why you copy paste all of the buzzwords from the job posting into your resume somewhere and render them invisible. The machine will pick up on them. But they will be invisible to the human reviewer on the other side.

>>51332126
Does that actually work?

>>51331143
>Your resumes aren't getting past the automation and roastie filters if you receive this message.
Yet, they continue to spam "based on your resume" invitation emails. The resume they scanned is exactly the same one that I applied with.
They should get their bots working correctly or fuck off. Indeed should crack down on it also

>>51332045
It's actually over
>I HATE COVER LETTERS
>I HATE COVER LETTERS
>I HATE COVER LETTERS

>>51332126

I have also done this, and recommend it:


> Smallest font, white in colour

>>51332348

Yeah, like me and the other guy said, most 1st rounds are automated.

> Say you get a typical job with 300-500 applications
> There are 5 top candidates in there
> You job as manager is to look the most competent

Do you:

> Pick 10-20% of applications, throw the rest away, and hope the good ones are in
> Automate it so retards who clearly are bulk-sending from Nairobi, or Bangalololoarashbad are taken out, leaving maybe 60-80 CVs?

>>51332126
>>51333739
based and bot pilled

>>51316945
every dev job i've landed since college, i found on craigslist

>>51316945
I’ve had 4 interviews the last couple weeks through this shit and not one has even said no. Shit like this just breeds unprofessionalism

>>51316945
I've only every gotten jobs through Indeed

>>51320803
Just walk up to them when you're hammered and shoot your shot?

anyone have a good resource for gaming the LinkedIn algorithm?

>>51333912
>>51333739
>>51332126
Kek

>unfortuantely we dont think your qualified to work in our mail room

>>51334990
female?

>>51334990
They don't give a shit about assessments.

>>51338081
Then why ask me to do them?

>>51329628

>>51317764
Got my first job off Indeed, pay was shit, location was shit, I hated myself for taking it. Got my second job off LinkedIn, they gave me the higher end of my requested salary range, fully remote, living my best life.

>>51319587
That's what you get, you dirty west coast sleazeball. Might as well just join the cartels.

>>51321219
Based algorithm understander. That's why you have to use the job board to apply on the company site and use it as a networking app - when I was interviewing for my current job, I added both my interviewers and my recruiter to my LinkedIn profile so they could see how pretty I was and feel socially validated.

>>51321402
damn nigga where you gettin your bullets? a box of 9mm costs at least $20 still

>>51338524
Same

>>51331667
an "interview" with a recruiter is more of a social-skills test and first date than it is a professional interview. recruiters are 95iq ditzes and don't know anything about the technology or projects going on, so you just have to ask questions that make them think you know more about the job than they do.

>>51328599
>I can't seem to get any higher than this though, is this my limit? How can I salary hop even higher?
Have you tried, you know, showing up?

>>51316945
It doesn't, I found some great jobs on Indeed.

>>51318932
Not the entire site but there are absolutely "jobs" posted there that are fake and just set up to harvest user emails and phone numbers.

>>51338141
i ask the same thing

Are cover letters a meme? I heard that no one ever reads them anymore

>>51339080
pretty sure they are

>>51338763
Why do you talk, you know, like a faggot?

>mogs all the poors in this thread

>>51316945
Worthless thread full of worthless replies.

>Hurr durr I applied to 2000 jobs and got zero replies

>Me too!

>I get ghosted on LinkedIn

None of you assholes post your profession.

Of course if you have 1 year of working experiencet total and it was burget flipping will you get zero replies.

But nobody posts there profession, like there embarassed.

I've come to sullen conclusion that this site is nothing by debbie downers looking to discourage others!

>>51341652
>But nobody posts there profession, like there embarassed.
we're all unemployed, dumbass

>>51341641
never again

>>51317080
>mfw I send shit like this to recruiters when they don't answer my salary questions

>>51331143
>link a bullshit social media profile or two.
is this a good idea?
i thought it automatically disqualifies you because employees could look at your race and discriminate unknowingly

>employed
>two years of experience
>currently freelancing with several clients
>graduated
>pass HR roasters early, getting into second and third round
>barely any interviews

This mango

13 years antiviral research, can't get any interview cold applying to any research position because I technically left to start working before finishing degree. No BS = straight into the trash for the algos so I have to direct message whomever is managing the job postings to get
Nail everything that makes it to a phone convo
>"How soon would you be willing to start, we'd like to move quickly"
but then they ask
>"Are you able to provide up to date covid vaccination status?"
Still fucking unemployed. Fuck my fucking bullshit industry. Doesn't prevent spread, doesn't protect you from getting it, but misery loves company and THEY got vaccinated so why would they change the policy 18 months later after the data shows they were idiots. Fuck I'm salty.

All of my job experience is in growing pot since 2008 and the government is sucking the joy and money out of cultivation.

I've always thought it is an obvious data mining operation just like any "social media" site.

>>51328599
Honestly bro you need to take the SWE pill. The lifetime earnings will blow your current career path out of the water. EE is the most natural career to become a SWE too in case you didn’t know

>>51328599
I also just graduated in June with a degree in EE, it took me 3 months of applying and interview grinding but I got a embedded engineer position making $100k in the Midwest. My main strategy was just applying for literally everything I was remotely qualified for on LinkedIn.

Always press the interviewer in the screening call for what will be in the technical interview and then schedule the technical interview a week later. Use that week to absolutely study and grind for that technical interview. Ace it and then you’ll get a good offer. Always tell them your honest salary expectation. Voila, six figure job out of college.

Also interesting to note is I had 0 internship experience and a 2.8 GPA.

>>51317080
Better than getting picked for an interview and getting your hopes up. It’s fucking soul crushing. Interviews are like four hours now too. Remote work has made job searching a living hell. Companies will just wait for the perfect candidate to apply. I see most positions on LinkedIn have over 50 applicants.

>>51343264
why does no one want to work???

>>51343603
Most of us are depressed

>>51343264
I've done interviews where I've shown my abilities and confidence, even made the roastie laugh, then get ghosted. This is mostly for IT jobs and sales, I feel so demoralized.

>>51319064

Up to $15 an hour to make phone calls all day harassing strangers who can't pay corporations.

I'd rather hang myself

>>51317313
Handshake

Or the ultimate - knowing people

>>51343789
>no one in college bothered texting or keeping in tact like i tried to
well

>>51338436
>if you hire people you're a jew
Suck my uncircumcised cock you nigger

>>51316945
I doubled my income in 2020 from a recruiter who found me on indeed. Also got two internships in college and another job from there. I like it.