/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51081271
literally the biggest scam on earth, intrinsically worthless rock that is only valuable because one company owns the entire worlds supply and brainwashed the entire world over several decades that they are worth anything. If you are with a woman that actually gives a fuck about diamonds literally what are you doing

>>51081271
I hope this is just a gift and not an engagement ring OP.

>>51081271
Google how diamonds are classified by size, clarity, cut and other parameters and how they affect price. Size is not the only important one to consider, a lot of sellers will try to sell you a larger low quality stone, even though it will look subpar. It's always better to buy in the optimal price-quality range, not the best and not the worst, but a bit better than average.

>>51081271
scam

>>51081271
Just get a cubic zirconium ring and get the last laugh when she tries to sell it to a pawn shop after she divorce-rapes you.

>>51081469
this might be the best answer on this AIDS website

>>51081297
She tells me she doesnt care, but I dont want her to get ridiculed by other women at work

>>51081271
No. Blue Nile is a scam, and most diamonds that you should look to buy are synthetic diamonds. They are real, man-made diamonds that come from a lab with the desired carat, cut, color, and clarity which are your 4 C's of diamonds. It will save you a ton of cash and are legitimately real diamonds. HOWEVER: make sure that any diamond you buy has a GIA certification. Any other is, quite frankly, a scam.

t. Worked in the gem and jewelry trade for 20 years

>>51081839
Buy one from a pawn shop
That's what I did

>>51081271
Moissanite if you want it to look like a diamond, or some other type of gemstone if she's cool with that. My girl cared more about the ring design than the stone, but they're cheap for the size.

>>51081965
I bought one on ebay... certified divorced milfs old ring

>>51081271
Don't get married

>>51081271
ask her boyfriend

>>51082001
>buying a cursed ring
You are destined to be cucked

>>51081271
I used a company called "forever artisans" to make a custom engagement ring. My wife has really understated taste in jewelry, and I couldn't find anything like what she wanted (a band of metal with gems recessed into it until they were level with the surface). Basically, I made a terrible paint drawing, wrote up a description, and found some examples online that had elements we wanted, and sent it into them. Then they translated it into a CAD design, got my approval, and had it done in a few months. $2000 and change got her a heavy little piece of platinum with orange sapphires.

All their stones are lab made, so your biggest cost is going to be based on the metal and their labor. I went for platinum because she doesn't wear yellow gold, b right now platinum is trading at like half the price of gold, so you may be able to save a bit there as well.

>>51082529
nice. do something like that OP but please dont fall for the diamond scam

>>51081271
Diamonds dont always hold they're value....but a name brand jewelry can definitely can fetch most of ur money back in the event you need to sell it. For rings I'd go with the lowest tier cartier you can get. It might be a little above your price, but it'll be like a "Rolex", someone will always be willing to buy it second hand.

Godspeed Anon, Dont get fucked in a divorce like a Fag.

Costco has good diamond rings at reasonable prices and you won't get ripped off.

I work in the jewelry industry ill red pill you..

Buy a lab made diamond or even a moissanite.
A lab diamond is chemically indistinguishable from a natural diamond, lab diamonds have much less impurities.
The same diamond that costs 20k natural is 5k lab.
Moissanite is also popular, it actually shines better then diamonds 2.65 refractive index vs 2.5, and moissanite is very similar in hardness 9.5 mohs vs 10 mohs for diamonds.

There are actually suckers who pay 200% more for a lower quality diamond... It gets even worse when they they buy natural SI diamonds in poor color and SI (slight inclusions) quality for 10k when a much better looking lab made VS diamond with D color costs 3k.
Resale value for diamonds is also horrible, its common for wives to freak out when the pawn shop only offers them 200-500 for the wedding ring they got for 5000
I really want to emphasize this for my /biz/ bros.

Diamonds have a shady history with predatory marketing "oh but you really love her dont you anon"?
A women literally cannot tell the difference between a 10000$ diamond vs a 100$ moissanite, they only care about thinking that youre willing to spend that much money on them.
Indians know whats up with this, its objectively far better to buy her 10000 worth of gold then a shiny diamond which holds little value.

Ngl tho diamonds do look awesome when glittering in the sun or as negroes like to say shits hittin bussin

>>51083037
Which is cheaper a lab grown diamond of similar quality, or a moissanite equivalent one?

>>51081271
the one i gave my wife i got from my widowed mom as an heirloom, nice fatass diamond for my wife, and it cost me nothing, win win

>>51081271
Just bet a really nice opal, way more beautiful than diamonds

>>51081469
This

>>51081271
Imagine getting married in current year
Enjoy the divorce

>>51081469
This, but make a fake receipt and certificate of authenticity to go with it so she really thinks you blew a fuck ton of money on it

>>51083291
This. You know how nice of an opal you can get for like, 1k?

>>51083135
>moissanite

That is NOT a diamond.

Get a lab grown, nobody will be able to tell the difference.

>2022
>Getting married

How many more divorce rapes and lives destroyed do you need to see?

After you're married start occasionally buying physical gold. Don't tell anyone and keep it somewhere it won't be found. I'm sure your whore is different, but it might be all you have to your name one day.

>>51081469
what about the certificate numbnuts

>>51081271
bro, go to Tiffany's and have the gentleman explain it to you. They're in sales sure but they understand their business and get all walks in their store. Oh and women know it's supposed to amount to about three month's salaries and they read the certificate back to front. And congratulations!

>>51081271
Spend the money on a decent engagement ring. TRUST ME. I got engaged a few months ago. Every woman your girl tells is going to want to see the ring. You want her to feel confident in showing off that ring. She won't feel confident flashing some $500 .125 Carat thing.

> 1 Carat size stone
> Decent colour
> Clarity doesn't really matter

Spend big on the engagement ring, 2-3K+, but then skimp on the actual wedding bands.

>>51083375
>Get a lab grown, nobody will be able to tell the difference.
No one will be able to tell the difference for the moissanite either.
If you mean like a jeweler, the jeweler can tell because the lab grown ones are much more perfect than the non lab grown.

>>51083590
Don't fall for the fake diamond route. Women are oddly weird about this. While we as men think there is nothing wrong with this "Hey, they're getting a bigger diamond with better clarity, why wouldnt they love it?!!" Trust me. When they show it off to their friends, they'll be like "Yeah, it's pretty nice for a mossinite or a lab grown diamond"

>>51082247
Kek believing in shit like that.lmao ngmi

>>51081271
Just use blue Nile and don’t go over 1 carat
>>51083528
Why would you ever show her a certificate? Do people really do that?

>>51083625
Lol what you do is you tell them it's moissanite which has double refraction which makes it sparklier than a diamond and have them look at it so they can seethe over "b-b-but yours is only a 9.5 on the mohs hardness scale!"

>>51083135
Moissanite is dirt cheap I think a 1 carat flawless one is like 50$.
Its the closest diamond "substitute" and as i said it actually shines better, cz for example doesnt shine like diamonds.
The light refraction is basically what made diamonds popular for jewelry in the first place

Lab grown diamonds are real diamonds, but they still cost a lot for what it is.

>>51083848
>Moissanite is dirt cheap I think a 1 carat flawless one is like 50$.
Moissanite costs 10 times more than cubic zirconium. You're mixing them up. It's a stone it its own right and looks even better. It's also the second hardest stone that is put into jewelry after diamonds. There are even lab grown moissonite as well.

>>51081271
Get her a lab grown diamond. A jewelryer can't tell the difference unless they use a super expensive light box.

>>51081271
James Allen. Wait a while. You can find an d, flawless, ideal cut for around 11k with lab cert, ring is extra. they make take a whole, but you will get it.

>>51083037
This guy's gets it

>>51081271
I got my now wife a lab diamond. It's the same exact thing as a "real" diamond for a fraction of the price. I got a maxxed out 1.5 carat for like 7k. A non lab grown one would have cost 20k+. You'd have to be a cuck to buy a diamond from the ground.

>>51083869
Im not mixing it up, ive bought moissanite from china for 30$. Ofc cz is even cheaper, packets hundreds of czs go for a dollar.

All moissanite is lab grown, yeah it is its own mineral but it rarely ever occurs in nature, afaik it was first discovered in a meteor crator and they thought it was diamond at first.

>>51083906
Why would someone want a dirty imperfect diamond anyway. It's like demanding your food was grown with cow shit instead of modern fertilizer.

>>51083888
Yeah whats funny is that machine is called a yehuda sherlock holmes, yehuda is a jewish name and company cause before it was designed nobody could figure out the difference and Jews were jewing each other.
For the longest time Jews had a monopoly on he diamond industry, recently that has been changing with indians and chinese. Now india is a big provider because they have tons of labor to cut the gems. And the Chinese are running the game when it comes to lab grown, these groups are btfoing the traditional de beers natural diamond jews monopoly gatekeeping.
The wave of lab grown diamonds is growing fast and the market is going to flood with them making them cheap, lab grown is also even a big selling point to women because its "conflict free" so they can feel good that no poor african children slaves were harmed with the lab diamond.

just buy a handmade 14k gold band, maybe with an emerald or something, if you really love her. cubic zirconium goldplate if not. (((diamonds))) are a jewish scam from a south african cartel. if your woman prefers a diamond over a tiny, high quality emerald or other similarly precious stone, you're marrying the wrong woman

>>51083925
>ive bought moissanite from china for 30$
No, you got scammed by some buck-tooth chink who sold you junk

Ask her if she likes emerald, aquamarine or morganite instead.
Lab created stones don't have the "energy" and "personality" that people who are sensitive to crystal energy fall in love with, plus woman can brag about a natural stone, but rarely about a lab produced stone.
Emeralds are much more beautiful.
Diamonds are overhyped.

>>51081271
Just save up 3months of salary and buy her a ring. You fags spend more than 10k a month on degenerate gambling with crypto and you can’t spend 30k on a ring for your soon to be wife? Pathetic. Okay she divorces you, okay so what? Uphold tradition and be a fucking man. Last thing you want is for her and her family to laugh behind your back because all you could afford was a tiny spec of a diamond. LOL couldn’t be me I actually love me wife.

I got my wife a massive oval sapphire and it stunts all over every plain Jane >diamond Stacy that sees it.

all women are whores

>>51081271
kill your self

>>51082529
Did this too.

Spent all the money on a custom ring and bought a lab diamond that looks better then all her friends. Clarity and cut make a huge difference when you see some side by side.

>>51085496
>Okay she divorces you, okay so what? Uphold tradition and be a fucking man.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>51081921
This, upgraded my wife’s wedding band to a 2 carat for about $2500. She likes it and I got off cheap.

>>51088213
Pic rel

>>51081297
where can i do more reading on this? what company owns all the diamonds

>>51081271
>Redpill me on shopping for diamond rings. I know, I know
just steal one, it's easy enough, punch some married bitch in the face and steal her ring, i did that once for an ex, she didn't even like the ring that much

>>51081297
fpbp

>>51082529
pics? sounds interesting

>>51083037
redpill me on loose diamonds as a store of value. what is the most liquid form of diamond and obviously not for jewelry so resale will be closer to what i paid since im not looking to pay a premium. is it better to buy them raw or cut? what size and cut and clarity will have the least premium loss for resale?

>>51088213
>that come from a lab with the desired carat, cut, color, and clarity which are your 4 C's of diamonds. It will save you a ton of cash and are legitimately real diamonds. HOWEVER: make sure that any diamond you buy has a GIA certification. Any other is, quite frankly, a scam.
>2500
>cheap

>>51083562
No they don't, and most rings are actually around $3500-$5000. Been doing this for two decades. The three months salary idea is a marketing myth used to push people to buy higher and spend more on a single purchase because, let's face it, you're not going to go buy a SECOND $5000 engagement or wedding ring unless you have oodles of cash or have really bad relationship skills. I bought my wife a D color, VVS1 2.5 carat princess cut lab diamond for $6500 which would have cost $30k+ at Tiffany's. There is zero structural and chemical difference difference and its overall composition puts it within 2.3% of all diamonds to have such qualities. If OP is not doing lab grown diamonds which are taking over the market by storm, then he's blatantly more retarded than we already know him to be.

>>51089151
Stay poor.

>>51081839
>at work
You are full retard

>>51081271
Get a man made diamond. They are exactly the same thing and 100% indistinguishable, your girlfriend can get a bigger diamond or a higher quality than one dug out of the ground by some nigger in Africa for the same price.
The only way to tell a man made diamond apart from a natural dug out of the ground one is by looking at the lattice structure under a microscope and seeing if it has been registered in some magical diamond database.

Book in a session with a proper jeweler. Then talk to them to take you through what to look for in a diamond. Ask what they can offer for that budget, then have a look around online.
Also find out how much they will charge to just set your own diamond in a band.

I wasn’t concerned w/ clarity as much (went w/ S1) and focused on cut, color, & carat size. I’m family freinds w/ my jewler and got it for a great $. It’s worth significantly more now, even tho I know dimonds are a huge scam. At this point I’d rather have stones than USD, the most portable form of wealth. They’ve gotten people out of bad situations for along time now.

>>51088551
I’ve thought about it and spoke to my jewlery/ family freind. It’s not a great idea as it’s hard to track price. To many variables unlike gold & silver. The only thing going for it is you can have so much value in such a small package. Millions could fit in a small drug baggie. One of the reasons I didn’t mind spending on my wife’s ring, just looked at it as an alternative investment/ store of value

>>51083677
Yea, most girls will demand a certificate along with the ring so they can ensure you are willing to spend your money on them.

>>51081271
Do her birthstone instead

>>51089210
He's a retard because someone has a job?

>>51090040
yes
who's taking care of the kids, you fucking mongoloid? oh, no kids?
retard!

>>51084513
>selling point to women because its "conflict free"
My wife is this way. But I really just wanted to save money.

>>51083037
>Moissanite
This shit bussin frfr gonna buy some for my wife's birfday and look like a king when a bunch of ice cost like $500

>>51088344
I believe its the DeBeers company

>>51084768
You dont know shit retard. The moissanite is real, I literally have a tester for it.
Most moissanite comes from china.
Only retard polcels still think china only makes fake junk.
99% of everything you own is from china, is all of that a fake scam too?
>your computers pcb boards are fake because they came from china durr

>>51089179
fair enough I guess I fell for that one then lol. What I was told along with this myth then, is that it was supposed to be saved money, not on credit because bad luck. In the end I bought four of those fuckers, all around €10k because myth or not fuck higher. So I am bad at relationships too. And honestly, lab grown just sounds bad to me but see above.

>>51088551
Not recommended for someone that doesnt know what theyre doing or have connections to move the diamonds.
You would need to have. Lot of diamond dealer friends to have any sort of liquidity. Nobody is gonna wanna buy some random guys diamond parcel.

In general natural colored diamonds such as pink or yellow have gone up over time in the last 20 years, they are much scarcer and so they perform more like rare art or luxury watches, small supply. They are also much harder to sell because only some mega richfag would be in the market for that.

Objectively natural rubies are the rarest gemstone, they are actually rarer then diamonds, but as i said previously lab made gems are really turning the game upside down recently

>>51083805
>"b-b-but yours is only a 9.5 on the mohs hardness scale!"
>Sorry but you won't be getting the hardest thing after the wedding.

>>51084513
>>51084513
>conflict free
>Not taking her with you to the mines and cracking a whip to show her who's in charge.

>>51083925
That's why they're called space diamonds, they're rarer than diamonds.

>>51081921
Is James Allen a scam? There website makes a lot of sense to me.

>>51092164
Yeah im gonna get my gf a moissanite tennis bracelet for like 100$, its gonna hit better then a diamond one which would cost 5000 retail.


If you guys want another red pill on jewelry, especially gold; buying new retail is a scam.
Ita typical for retailers to sell gold chains for 300% over spot brand new.
The thing about gold is that it never changes or degrades so a "used" chain means fuck all. If you are patient you can buy the same chain for spot or very close, and if it has any scratches it can easily be polished and will look brand new.
That way you let the original buyer take the financial hit and you get it for spot price, then you can always resell it for exactly what you paid for it.
If you buy new you will aitomatically lose 50% which you will never get back.
Although its more typical that jewelry will sell for 20-30% over spot since there is more labour required to create it, nice popular pieces such as cuban link chains will be harder to find for apot because they are in high demand. But yeah going to a retail jewelry store will always get you ripped off.
Another thing you can do is go to a pawn shop and buy their scrap gold, usually they will have some jewelry which will require some repair, they are lazy to fix it so that stuff is going to be sent to a refiner and they will get 99.5% of the spot price so they have no problem selling it to you for spot. Then you can just go get it repaired which is pretty cheap if its a small problem. Way cheaper then retail "new"
Really if you think about it there is no sixh thing as "new" or "used" gold, its been recycled and remelted for centuries

>>51093137
What is the best place to get used jewelry online that is reliable? Like are there places that are guaranteed to not sell cubic zirconia instead of diamond or moissanite or whatever.

>>51092930
>Objectively natural rubies are the rarest gemstone, they are actually rarer then diamonds
Natural Moissanite is actually the rarest gemstone if you want to be objective about it.

>>51093218
Ebay, you can even find stuff for under spot sometimes. Some people are sketched out but gold is really easy to authenticate. If you buy from accounts that sell a lot of jewelry and have a lot of feedback you wont run into any trouble. There are a lot of pawn shops that sell on ebay.
Also ebay is very good for the buyer, if you were ever to be scammed you could return it and ebay will always refund you.

Obviously dont buy from the 0 feedback guy selling his gold chain for 50% spot, the under spot deals usually come from old boomers who are unexperienced and dont know what its worth. Most sellers will have the gram weight in the description so you can calculate it and know if its a good / fair deal.

On authentication; there are several ways to make sure its real, the easiest if youre a noob would be to just pretend that ur gonna sell it to a pawn shop and they will tell you if its real,
At home you can do the weight / magnet test, gold is very dense so it feels very heavy for the size, gold is never magnetic (the clasp part may be magnetic due to the spring).
A simple acid test kit can confirm the karat, and the best method is a specific gravity test (just youtube it)
You measure its water displacement and compare it to a chart of metals, all metals have a different number.

Also beware of GOLD FILLED, usually the stamp will be 14k GF or 1/20 14k GF. Gold filled has a real layer of gold bonded to the outside so the acid test may show a false positive if you dont scratch deep enough.
an experienced person used to handling gold and silver can tell right away just by the rich vibrant color. Gold plated can never look right

>>51093247
True, I guess i meant from the traditional precious gems

>>51088238
> hey hunny, can I see your engagement ring really quick?
> oh, it’s nothing. Just want to post a picture of it on a Mongolian throat singing board to a bunch of faggots.

>>51081271
Go for more boutique jewellers. You get way nicer rings. The only decent big retailer is Tiffany and they're a rip off

>>51081921
This too. Although all diamonds are a scam paying 2x the price for "natural" diamonds is an utter retard move. Lab made are diamonds the exact same.

just save your money and get her a 10k tiffany ring. She'll enjoy lording the brand over other girls way more than she'll enjoy LOOKING at a ring.

>>51094164
> $10k ring
> save the money
Maybe in the US but over here in europoorville $10k is half a yearly salary before tax. But you're right about the brand name. Anons here REALLY don't get women when they push things like "i got a lovely amethyst ring for $200 and my wife loves it!"

>>51093450
That's good info for gold, but what about diamonds?
If a seller claims a certain level of clarity it would be hard to test yourself if you aren't an expert. Is there any site that provides a certification for used diamonds or anything like that?

>>51081271
Just get the bitch a fake diamond ring for cheap. Dumb hoes can never tell the different. JEWelry is the biggest scam ever concocted by the tribe. Imagine spending more than 20 dollars for a piece of rock that isn't even magic.

>>51081921
GIA is a must. I have a jew friend (I know) who is a respected jeweler locally in San Diego. A great many jewelers, including Tiffany, don't do GIA. But it's the only true certification to know you're getting a legitimately good stone.

The other thing to keep in mind is the tranche, stepwise function that karats are valued at. The gulf between a 1.75 and 2 karat is ridiculous. My wife has a 1.98 karat ring. Visually indistinguishable from a 2 karat. Saved us 5 grand.

>>51083037
The swing is wild. My boss bought a 2 karat ring in 2010 that is the same quality as the 1.98 karat that I bought my wife in 2021. I paid $14,500. He paid $25,000. In fucking 2010. And my wife's stone is far more brilliant. My boss got jewed. Heavily. Simply because he didn't know anybody in the (((industry)))

My wife later made friends with a hobbyist jewelry designer in a small mountain town to the east of us. She took a look at my wife's ring and told us that, at most, we overpaid by a few hundred bucks. But, that's pocket change. So I felt good that I wasn't screwed.

>>51081271
Buy a lab grown diamond take it to a jeweller to make you a ring.
I did this and didn’t pay the insane margin normal jewellery has.
Mind you the shops don’t like that shit as they are loosing money but screw them.
They will tell you that it’s your loss if they break the stone so take it to someone who really does make a living from actually making jewellery.
Also buy the stone from a gem dealer and not some glamorous website.
You can probably go for IF stone

either steal one or inherit it from a relative
don't pay money for a stupid rock

>>51092192
yes, brilliant marketing too. dabeers not only artificially jacked the price of diamonds because they hold a monopoly. they also ran a successful advertising campaign that brainwashed women into thinking they need a diamond ring to get married. classes are taught on the genius of this campaign. right up there with that time edward bernays got paid by pork farmers to convince us bacon was an essential part of breakfast. something we rarely ate before this.

>>51083257
>the one i gave my wife i got from my widowed mom as an heirloom, nice fatass diamond for my wife, and it cost me nothing, win win
anon...why did you kill your dad?

>>51096435
>something we rarely ate before
roman soldiers ate a pound of bacon a day

>>51081297
good luck ever finding a woman who 'doesn't give a fuck'

>>51081271
was your gf a virgin when she met you? No? Of course she wasn’t. Jerk off into a sock and ask several homeless men to jerk for to that same sock for $10 each. Then give it to your girlfriend. That’s who you’re marrying subhuman.

>>51083257
Based Oedipus father-killer