/biz/ - Business & Finance

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>50910958

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shutdown/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't; It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. When P2Pool reaches 51% of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.


YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL DIRECTLY FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET!

If you have a PC or laptop:

1. Download Monero GUI
https://i.imgur.com/ZGefPef.png

2. Pick 'Advanced' mode
https://i.imgur.com/4c0uSE4.png

3. Set up your wallet
https://i.imgur.com/4lMKh00.png

4. Keep the default Daemon settings "Start a node automatically in the background"
https://i.imgur.com/maACmmT.png

5. Once sync'd, go to Advanced->Mining and pick 'P2Pool'. If you have a laptop or low-end PC (~50 kH/s) pick "Mini" pool, else pick "Main"
https://i.imgur.com/E60JeMG.png

P2Pool-compatible remote nodes if you do not have your own local copy of the blockchain:

>p2pmd.xmrvsbeast.com - (Western Europe) (rpc-port 18081, zmq-port 18083)
>myxmr.net - (Northern Europe) (rpc-port 18081, zmq-port 18083)

OTHERWISE SWITCH TO A SMALLER POOL, IT TAKES YOU 30 SECONDS AND YOU CAN JUST SOURCE A DIFFERENT CONFIG FILE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FUCK UP YOUR EXISTING ONE.

Many inexperienced miners think that big pools give better profits which is not the case. Your profits in the long run depend only on your hashrate, not on the pool's hashrate.

https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (currently US only)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors

>AlphaBay
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
>Cloud Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
>Darkmoon (recently launched, exercise caution)
>FilthyFellas
>Mellow Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
>Retro Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
Onion links: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8fg2g


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Kilos
>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8cunb


>Poker Club: play no-limit Texas Hold'em in real time with 2-8 players over the safety of Tor with the privacy of Monero! No user account required.
http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion

>XMR Poker
http://xmrpoker3icphjr7c6dgct3by44ph4xvxrds4jzwjkjh7h2owdf6icyd.onion


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://magicgrants.org/funds/monero/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

>The irrational exuberance of cryptocurrency investors

Irrational exuberance is characterized as a hype-fueled mania that causes investors to massively overestimate an asset's real-world value. In this delusional state, investors tend to become so smitten with expectations of greater profits that they disregard the assets’ potentially weak fundamentals and drink the proverbial Kool-Aid.

This then leads to them recklessly and repeatedly buying into whatever asset is currently rising in the charts, thereby triggering and/or sustaining an asset bubble. This bubble is kept inflated solely by the mass delusion that the market price is justified and will only keep going up in future, effectively becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Note that bubbles can last for years, especially in an age of easy investor on-boarding. However, when history inevitably repeats and the bubble bursts that optimism invariably turns into panic as the asset crashes back down to its real-world value.

In finance, the "greater fool theory" suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.

In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

This effect is often further exacerbated by herd mentality, whereby people hear stories of others who bought in early and made big profits, causing those who did not buy to feel a fear of missing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

ivpn vs mullvad?

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

This is what shitscared Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>>50955716
Mullvad imo. It has 867 VPN servers, in 39 different countries. As opposed to IVPN that has 77 VPN servers available in 32 different countries.

They're both the best options in terms of privacy, mullvad can be accessed through Tor.

monero bros... Why is the US government declaring tornado cash illegal and threatening anyone using tornado cash with 30 years in jail but not monero?

>>50955911

Because they can't. They've sanctioned a bunch of XMR addresses and that's as far as it goes lol.

>>50955836
>mullvad can be accessed through Tor.
Do you mean it has an onion address? I mean if afterwards you are gonna connect with your own IP it doesn't matter. Maybe if you are doing VPN on Tor, which is kind of a bad idea, being able to pay, register, and use whilst on Tor might be good.

>>50955943
why can't they? if they can say "anyone who uses this smart contract is blacklisted " then why can't they say "anyone who uses this cryptocurrency is blacklisted" ?

they've actually arrested one of the developers of tornado cash.
why aren't they doing the same to monero if monero is so private and untrackable?

is the breaking monero series on youtube still worth watching to learn how monero works or have there been so many updates that it's no longer relevant or representative?

>>50956020
>anyone who uses this smart contract is blacklisted
>anyone who uses this cryptocurrency is blacklisted
I love being free and not a slave, bros...

>>50956020
Tornado cash is a service (that the US gov barely understands and would possibly be considered unconstitutional to outright ban all interaction with if appealed in court), cryptocurrency is considered an asset. It requires an actual law (good luck passing anything with this congress) to put a nearly unenforceable ban on XMR in place. They're very aware it exists, they just know they're off hoping criminals have shitty opsec than trying to go through the hassle.

Reporting in
##################################
IRC- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/tzm4s
Aliases- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/bjbx3
Extras- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/daxte
Nodes- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/ke2k8
Mining- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/c7na4

https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/h44oo

>>50955949
>Do you mean it has an onion address?
Yes, but they lock the payment options that include personal information (for obvious reasons). You can pay in Monero and register your account all on Tor.

>>50956072
>is the breaking monero series on youtube still worth watching
Yes, it is. It's quite important to know such hypotheticals and they are great, relevant discussions.

>>50955818
>zcash has institutional support and support from regulators
>compliant with the traditional system of laws and regulation
>stamps of approval from fatf, fincen, and nydfs
so you're saying monero is better

>>50955938
Is this electron? I don't understand why people do this.
>build web app
>"we need a desktop client"
>slap web app to a browser frame and pretend it's a desktop client

>>50955911
perform a cursory search of the circled name

can i get advice on what wallet is best? is there any that work on iphone what is everyone using here? i got the official one but its clunky and slow as fuck to load and it doesnt work on mobile obvoiusly

>>50955818

if you think cooperation with governments, institutions, and regulators makes you safe with zcash consider the story of the scorpion and the frog. you're in bed with the devil with zcash. monero refusing to compromise is about not being naive.

>>50956305
Read the OP's first post.

>>50955818
corporate shit. the corpos get bigger, comp the govs, eating ze bugs and renting everything for the plebs. hard pass.

>>50956305
Cakewallet is popular.

https://youtu.be/XZ0e6SFi3XU?t=124

>>50956332
thanks, it looks like exodus has a mobile version too, i dont see that listed in the OP. is it not liked here?

>>50956020
>then why can't they say "anyone who uses this cryptocurrency is blacklisted" ?
Because it sets a bad precedent and as >>50956179 said, unenforceable.

>>50956216
>Yes, but they lock the payment options that include personal information (for obvious reasons). You can pay in Monero and register your account all on Tor.
Huh that might be actually useful if you want a VPN while at the airport, or public cafes, etc
>>50956072
Many of the stuff there is still relevant, and you'll get a great insight into, the somewhat outdated workings of Monero. If you want an up to date deep dive into Monero's cryptography roughly as of now, I recommend checking out Zero to Monero version 2.
>https://web.getmonero.org/library/Zero-to-Monero-2-0-0.pdf

>>50955911

>>50956248
>I don't understand why people do this.
Why not, you literally described why they do this.
>hire web developers
>spend $$$ to make web app
>"we need a desktop client"
>spend almost nothing to slap a web app to a browser frame and pretend it's a desktop client
>wowww cross-platform!

As opposed to
>hire new, native devs
>spend $$$ all over again to develop native UI
>maybe even spend extra $$$ because different OSes are shit in different ways and you have to custom-build some parts of the native software for each OS
>you are now cross-platform but have 2-4 different "apps" to maintain rather than just the one

Electron is complete fucking garbage but it "just works" everywhere - you can build one UI and it'll work on mobile, on desktop web, on native web, and I think it can also be packaged into mobile apps for BOTH iOS and Android (though I'm not sure if people use Electron for that, or just the mobile's default web rendering thingy to display their website in an app). It's the epitome of cheap, shitty and easy. On top of that it's also shiny so all zoomers go "woooOOOoww! modern UI!" which is actually fucking awful but it's unironically a good thing for market share among normies, i.e. they do that not out of incompetence, but actually on purpose and they benefit from it.

>>50956375
Exodus is closed source which arouses suspicion.

>>50956375
Exodus's fees are unreasonable.

>>50956375
Not really, as it can be bad OPSEC/privacy for reasons such as:
>It uses a series of servers to track wallet balances because it's a light wallet.
>not fully open source
>high fees (you're better off using an exchange or swap service)
See for yourself, straight from the horse's mouth:
https://scribe.rip/exodus-movement/10-reasons-e7ef06042cae

Don't get me wrong, it is good and has a great UI/UX, but for Monero only there are better options. If you own multiple cryptocurrencies then by all means do so, they also have support for Trezor.

>>50956375
>exodus has a mobile version
and with xmr it is a bit flaky. sometimes will see double balance of xmr, forcing a height restore to correct things.

I didn't know xmr had dynamic block sizes, I'm kinda bearish now.

>>50956305
My friend uses Cake Wallet on iOS, I use it on Android. You can buy gift cards with your crypto in the app (often times with a 1-3% discount). My only complaint is that it can be slow to send transactions (seems to hang when signing transactions sometimes)

>>50956684

You're right, sell everything ASAP!

>>50955487
Any more DALL E ideas?

Monerosisters wtf is going on with transaction fees today? It wants 0.00048 and its usually under 0.00001. Using my local node btw.

>>50956684
>dynamic
dynamic in the sense that there is a bit of wiggle room that the miners can get into the block. prevents spam and other attacks, while still being elastic for growth when needed.

>>50955999
I love it

>>50955818
>>50956227
>>50956352
This is how you know zcash is glownig shit.
> Tries to talk the reader out of a "fuck the government and regulators" attitude

cubic bezier, I really like patterns

>Primary address
>Primary account
It's pretty easy to change it to master address/account in the source, but I still hate these nigger-loving XMR devs.

>>50957134
that's not the point here lol
master/slave is for replication and work

do you call your checking account the MASTER account
and your savings the SLAVE account?
it's your primary or main address
and millions of sub-addresses, not slaves

baka

>>50956793
r/weirddalle for inspiration

>>50956846
New hardfork increased fees 5x to make spam attacks more expensive, and its still cheap enough to be negligible for everything else

>>50957184
Kind of. Where I can, and it makes sense, any sort of "main" account I will call a master account. Usually I don't call the extra accounts slave accounts though, just because that makes less sense.
It actually makes a bit more sense here I think - the subaddresses are definitely slaves to the master address.

Has anyone else noticed alot of shitty railgun "shill" threads that keep popping up all over the catalog lately? They are always full of rubbish discussion attempting to look "organic"

>>50956383
>>50956179
It sounds like a distinction without much of a difference.
"anyone who uses this protocol to make their cryptotransactions anonymous is blacklisted and prosecutable/finable by the US government"
The government didn't need to pass a law to declare that about tornado cash and put it on a blacklist so I don't see why it would need to for monero.

Also , banning blacklisting monero would be just as enforcable as blacklisting tornadocash.
The smart contract for tornadocash still exists so people can still use it, the government just says "if we see anyone with KYC ehtereum deposit into tornado we'll punish them, and if anyone who is KYC interacts with a blacklisted account we'll punish them."

It would work the same way for monero. anyone publicly non-anonymously advertising buying or selling monero in exchange for anything would be punished

>>50957134
You think relational databases have primary and foreign keys because of PC culture?
Cmon guy you gotta come off that pol coolaid once in a while.

>>50957376
U mad cause railgun and zcash is superior?

>>50957479
You think git originally named it the "master" branch because of relational databases?
Is it called the "master" bedroom because of relational databases?
Referring to things like this as "master" was very normal before PC shit. The xmr devs called it "primary" specifically to be PC about it.

trezor has dropped the firmware updating xmr now. suite isn't seeing it yet, would need to use https://suite.trezor.io/web/ along with bridge installed to update.

>>50956020
Their own glowniggers need it for gayops.

>>50955999 (Trips)

>>50956793
Majin symbol (from Dragon Ball) - picrel
Vaporwave, fashwave, retrowave, glitch art, etc.

Shows/games related:
Mr. Robot
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Nier: Automata
Deus Ex
Cyberpunk 2077
Far cry 3: blood dragon
Altered Carbon (normal and the anime)
Ghost in the shell

>>50957376
Yes, they always have one or two posts per ID. It's painfully obvious that it is just one pajeet talking to himself.

>>50955999
>checked
>vnr

>>50956499
I've measured on equivalent hardware and xmrig is significantly faster on a headless Linux server than on Windows, because XMRig loses a surprising amount of hash rate from context switch penalties. It doesn't do much I/O so I think it's mostly down to less system garbage running in the background. My personal recommendation is a non-systemd distro like Alpine, Slackware, or Gentoo with OpenRC to minimize the number of running userspace processes even further.

>>50957269
you're reaching.

>>50957926
There are so many good ones, I'll refrain from spamming though

>>50958630
This looks incredible, found my new wallpaper lol.
Compile the best of them all into a folder and post a mega link or something like that. You won't spam that way and we still get to see the digital art.

>>50958787
>t. 1024x1024 monitor haver

I've been told that Monero is the Kang of Krypton. How true is this?

>>50956793
>Dr eggman uses Monero
>Monero penthouse suite
>Monero wire transfer
>Monero crime boss

>>50958887
>Al Capone using Monero
>Jesus using Monero to drive Jews from a stock exchange

>>50956317
Nothing in the document mentions anything about being "safe." It is about making money. Monero is unironically one of the worst crypto projects to invest in if your goal is making money. Also, once everything operates on a DLT and you have to use certain ones to be included in the global financial infrastructure, it will be very easy to block interaction with Monero.

>>50956352
Yea, you're really going to stop the whole system by using Monero and everyone is going to start using it and the power structure will entirely crumble.

>>50956227
Yes, Monero is better if your goal is to engage in untraceable transactions and holding a cryptocurrency that can be sanctioned and blacklisted in the future. If your goal is making money, Zcash is better.

The only way Monero can have a future is if there is a literal schism in global power structure.

>>50956383
>>50957475
This. Banning both of them is VERY enforceable. Banning tornado cash is easier right now because basically everyone interacts with Ethereum through some RPC (like Alchemy or something), so the RPC can be forced to blacklist that smart contract. Anyone interacting with Ethereum through his own node can do whatever he wants.

But if we play the tape forward even more, it seems more and more likely that this centralization will increase and we can pretty confidently say 1% or less of people will actually be running their own nodes or interacting with these systems in any "advanced" way in the future. They will simply use popular UIs which will all be centrally operated. In Monero's case, it will be very easy to block the entire chain of monero from interacting with any "whitelisted/approved" financial instruments that exist. So in 10 years when we are in a completely digital, cashless financial infrastructure, WTF are you going to do with Monero? You can't cash it out through any centralized exchange, you can't trade it with any wallet linked to the approved internet of finance because it'll be blocked by RPCs (and code in CCIP), etc. Maybe you can interact with some cartel that has a way to liquidate it for you? Sounds fun! I'll stick to my pozzed Zcash that is $2k per token that I can at least use to buy s0imeat in 2030.

>>50959320
Localmonero already offers physical PMs as a trading pair. Unless the US government outright bans ownership of silver (hint: no) that door will remain open.

>>50958787
https://mega.nz/file/g4cwDDaL#ulvTFVpZfzfKJZDFMwSXWrP31AlFh8O_Z4HqtQ4P_Us

>>50958841
Phone wallpaper.

>>50959372
The one on the left looks best imo. But I thought you added all of the screenshots, not just one picture.

Could you do something like picrel, where the M is on a shield of a knight (like protecting your privacy)?

>>50959488
>Phone wallpaper.
where tf did you get a square phone

>>50959537
Jesus Christ. You zoom in, how dense can you be?

>>50959371
Yea, I'm definitely going to use localmonero to meet with an anonymous person IRL to exchange large quantities of money and then carry around a bunch of silver.

Monerofags are so tiresome sometimes.

>>50959488
please excuse my laziness of not even checking my own link. This should be the whole folder now.

https://mega.nz/folder/41ECjYIb#jEmF4tbgTvl8Ll88F6--Sw

I don't even care about xmr price anymore I just want shitcoins to die.
Am I a bad person?

>>50959320
WE DONT NEED CEXES.
FUCK YOUR CABAL PUMPS.
WE GOT CHINAMEN, KOREANS SETTING UP NODES, EUROS AND BURGERS DOING THE SAME.
WE LINKED UP, KNEEL.
On another note, lol did anyone catch that dip? Kinda fast.

>>50959113
>Nothing in the document mentions anything about being "safe." It is about making money.

Zcash in a nutshell lol


>Monero is unironically one of the worst crypto projects to invest in if your goal is making money

And you faggots wonder why you're seen as sell outs.


>Also, once everything operates on a DLT and you have to use certain ones to be included in the global financial infrastructure, it will be very easy to block interaction with Monero.

I love the assumption that crypto in general and privacy coins in particular will still be allowed access to the mainstream economy once CBDC Fedcoins are rolled out, governments are totally cool about allowing competition like that.


>Yes, Monero is better if your goal is to engage in untraceable transactions and holding a cryptocurrency that can be sanctioned and blacklisted in the future. If your goal is making money, Zcash is better.

1. We fully expect Monero to be sanctioned and blacklisted in the future and are preparing accordingly.

2. Monero being sanctioned and blacklisted validates its tech and reliability while NOT being sanctioned and blacklisted actually looks suspect.

3. Transnational organized crime is a multi-TRILLION dollar industry that doesn't give a shit about rules & regulations.

4. Zcash's entire bull case depends on the government tolerating it, Monero's doesn't.

5. Comply harder

>>50959890
my kind of person

>>50955761
No one cares

>>50958887
>>50958983
The downside is that it seems to have a lot of trouble with text in images, and each of these prompts it seems to like adding text.
Here is one particularly funny example of it making word salad

10000 xmr buy order on trade ogre right meow. some big fish is preparing a bag..

>>50960960

Easily some wiseguys gearing up to buy more blow from Pablo's boys.

>>50956361
>le cakewallet.
have fun sucking pajeet dick you faggot.

>>50961095
cringe

>>50955487
ANOTHER EPIC ORGANIC GENERAL THREAD!!! WHERE WERE YOU ALL DAY LOL!
IS THAT?? Is- IS.... IS THAT *gulps* MONERO CHAN! BUT IN REAL LIFE...???!!!! SHE's SO HOT BROs,

>>50961119
>> never compromise monero.
love my cake wallet so hecking much. best corporation in the world. not onions at all. By the way, does luke also suck cake wallet dick? or does he take it right up the ass like all the other faggots?
>>50961239
seen hotter girls before to be honest. cheaped out on that one.

Are we in DCA mode or slurp mode?
I want to get 20 xmr before moon mission.

>>50961331
nobody cares about your wallet preferences. stop being such a raging faggot.

>>50961348
>I want to get 20 xmr before moon mission.

>>50961453
Well fine. Do we slurp or dca?

Disregard FUD, acquire the only sure thing in crypto.

>>50961472
always dca.

>>50959793
Lmao, now that's more like it, thanks anon.

Not to be bullish or anything, but there are two 1.5 million USD buy orders for XMR sitting on TradeOgre right now

>>50961798

The Jews fear XMR. Every time you buy XMR, the Jew screams in pain. The nosy Jew wanders what you have in your want -- he wants to know but he can't. Do NOT let the glow in the dark Jew what you have, stack your XMR. Jews have been kicked out of 108 countries because they're nosey little fucks.

>>50962259
*111
(109 plus Yemen and Afghanistan)

>>50961095
>>50961331
This same poster has been in every thread with Monero in the name for the past couple of days with anti-cake-wallet copypasta.

Alright the one time I want to buy drugs on the darknet there's some bullshit update going on with monero.
Is there a wallet that let's me use xmr right now? Exodus and atomic wallet both can't receive or sent any right now.

>>50962653
Use the official wallet and run your own node, plebzilla.

Is there a good guide on private, anonymous internet browsing/operating system? I want to sort that out before I buy monero.

>>50963330
https://tails.boum.org/

>>50963355
>(((boum.org)))
>had RCE for weeks with devs saying "just don't use it lol"

>>50963660
Are you retarded

>>50963696
Yes

>>50956446
It's such a waste. Now everything is just coalescing to the web. I heard that there's even a terminal emulator that works in your browser. I guess Chrome OS is starting to become more and more viable today.

Question: do you need to download the whole blockchain to mine monero on your monero gui wallet?

>>50957475
>"if we see anyone with KYC ehtereum deposit into tornado we'll punish them, and if anyone who is KYC interacts with a blacklisted account we'll punish them."
There's the problem. There's a reason why everyone's been warning about KYC exchanges since time immemorial. Don't interact with XMR or any crypto for that matter through a KYC exchange. It doesn't matter if it's banned or not, giving away your personal information for some discount on your anonymous currency is never a good deal.

>>50964344

No.

https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html

>>50962639
To be fair, taking the monero.com domain is super shady and has bad implications for cake's aspirations.

>>50959709
>Yea, I'm definitely going to use localmonero to meet with an anonymous person IRL to exchange large quantities of money and then carry around a bunch of silver.
Yes. Precious metals people do it all the time. If you are too much of a basedboy to do real man transactions I'm sorry. Self custody as a whole night not be for you.

>>50963355
wahts the best practice on this, running direct install or using it as a VM on another installed and encrypted OS like ubuntu?

>>50964527
install to USB, DO NOT run it in a VM, if you want a VM use Whonix.

>>50964590
wouldnt it be even more secure in a VM if everything in memory is running off an encrypted disk drive?

>>50964643
It's not about things on board being secure, it's everything else you are broadcasting to routers and then onto servers. If your host machines networking is not airtight, neither will your VM's.

>>50964643
As the other anons have stated, TAILS is meant to be run on a flash drive. Running it inside a VM defeats the purpose of leaving no traces on the host system and routing everything through Tor. If you want to use something in a VM, use Whonix. If you want to go full schizo, install Qubes.

>>50964306
There are at least ten webstack terminal emulators. One of them is part of VSCode.

>>50959320
>So in 10 years when we are in a completely digital, cashless financial infrastructure, WTF are you going to do with Monero?
Use it in lieu of their fake CBDC.
>You can't cash it out through any centralized exchange
At that point, you don't have to. Also, don't use centralized exchanges.
>you can't trade it with any wallet linked to the approved internet of finance because it'll be blocked by RPCs (and code in CCIP), etc.
If things became that absurd, people will most probably have multiple wallets that they will interact with. It's not that hard to imagine that scenario even today.
>I'll stick to my pozzed Zcash
Now, that makes sense. Why so Zcucks always like to bend over and take it in the backside?

>>50955836
are they both token-based auth (accountless)?

>>50965413
>Why so Zcucks always like to bend over and take it in the backside?

Slave mentality.

Why cant i send from gui wallet anymore? Running on linux. Wallet is synchronized as well as daemon. I updated to latest version 0.18.1

>>50965736
your recipient hasn't updated

>>50965840
Ah ok. So if im sending to an exchange they need to update their shit first before it will allow the transaction?

>>50957475
>The government didn't need to pass a law to declare that about tornado cash and put it on a blacklist so I don't see why it would need to for monero.
The logic is that it's a service on a public blockchain that you have to pay the devs to use, therefore it's bannable for shilling itself as a mixing service. Several mixers were banned under the same premise.
Monero on the other hand isn't a service, it's a protocol. Banning it would be like trying to ban the bittorrent protocol. Bittorrent might be used as a tool to break laws, but that really isn't bittottent's problem.

Could they ignore all the above and 'ban' it anyway? Sure, but they've basically already shown how far they can go with banning when they tried to 'ban' piratebay.

you mining negros need to get those blocks mined

damn

>>50955487
Built for Big Brother's cock.

>>50966096
I am doing the best I can

why cant i deposit to kucoin?! They say they have finished their updates withdrawals and deposits are enabled again..

stop using cexes! they will fuck you over

>>50966432
ok

>>50966461
>deposit to kucoin?!
self custody is fun. craft yourself a tidy hodlode

>HOT OFF THE PRESS

Zcuck whines like a lil girl about Z-Corp's indifference to making him rich

https://www.orcastraya.com/2022/08/17/should-zcash-governance-prioritise-zodlers/

Again underscores how there ain't a genuine cypherpunk revolutionary among them, fucking moonfags.

>>50966461

Kraken

>>50961798
That's never ever going to get fulfilled.
Why nor spend a month or so buying everything in small quantities?

Hello friends, I have just tried to withdraw some XMR from Binance to the same address as always. I have confirmed multiple times that the address I had provided was correct, but the transaction is still not showing up. I have well over 50+ confirmations on it. What should I do?

>>50967578
Maybe he's spoofin', could be a test

>>50966971
>sell your ZCash and buy Monero (Inferior tech yes, but their governing bodies actually care about their network state citizens
>their governing bodies
nigga what

>>50955487
Somebody explain to me why monerochan has been replaced by a cock-guzzling whore.

>>50968488
She looks like a nice lady.

>>50968488
reject modernity, embrace tradition.

>>50968853
She is probably a spic

>>50955487
Ewwwww. 3dpd spic whore.

Morning, frens. Z-niggers tongue my anus.

>>50955487
Holly! Will you marry me? I have XMR

>>50966971
I don't know if I've spent too much time in this general or if literally every post shilling z-cash reads like long-form satire.

What sort of mining output does silentxmrminer have under "normal" conditions for a silent miner, if you know what I mean?

so i asked about wallets earlier and just now notice the official monero wallet allows for a portable USB version, is this a better way to go for security and convenience?

>>50969525
Do they? Sauce?

so does the newest monero GUI version work with ledger?
i'm too lazy to uninstall monero GUI and reinstall older version in case it wont work.

Reminder to mine on P2Pool Mini

>>50965674
They are anonymous, you get an ID instead of giving private information.

>>50968990
I don't see why that matters.

>>50955716
Seconding Mullvad.
Its only flaw is that its on 4chan shitlist so you cant post here while using it.

I have a question in regards of the value of Monero.
In most Monero side threads people are insisting on Monero not being an investment in the same way money is not an investment.
But I dont really understand the logic behind that, if the demand of Monero goes up, lets say everyone wants a piece of it, then the price should definetly be effected by it by going up.
Could anyone elaborate this thought process of Monero being Money and not an investment please?

>>50955836
>>50970487
Neat, makes sense.
Is there any point to regenerating accounts regularly? E.g. paying only for a month at a time and getting a new account number every month.

THE MONERO MOON (ISSUE 55) IS OUT NOW!

Grab a coffee or a beer and kick back for a read.

Like, share, subscribe, and spread the word of Monero as it continues to grow and offer unmatched financial privacy.

https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-55

>>50970619
>Could anyone elaborate this thought process of Monero being Money and not an investment please?
It keeps the moonboys away. That's it.
HODLing and wanting the numbers go up is cancer mentality.

>>50970657

JUST KEEP STACKING SATS, BRO, WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT!!!!

>>50970758

Seething. Go fuck yourself scammer.

>>50970649

>>50970758
BRO I KEEP STACKING AND ITS NOT WORKING. IM DOWN 70% BRO.
WHAT IS GOING ON BRO?
THIS IS NOT VERY CASH MONEY OF MONERO.

>>50970619
>Could anyone elaborate this thought process of Monero being Money and not an investment please?
When USD (or EUR or GBP) value falls, people don't go "wtfff scam" and stop using it. They keep buying their daily bread with it, perhaps grumbling that their value fell, but it's just a fact of life. This is because USD, EUR, GBP etc. all have one thing in common - they were designed as a medium of exchange of value, made to facilitate payments in a money-based economy. Not as some kind of appreciating asset or anything; for that, you buy actual assets like stock, real estate, etc.

Monero is also built for transacting. All the tech and development efforts go into making it an excellent medium for exchange of value. So if and when the value of Monero falls, it hasn't failed its purpose in the least; you can still buy a loaf of bread or a kg of cocaine with Monero just the same, whether it's worth $0.1 or $10,000 per coin.

Of course people still hold cash as a (small) store of value. Some even use cash to hedge against other movements - e.g. if you have rubles and you think Russia's economy is in the shitter, you might buy USD (or vice-versa)! So certainly you can hold Monero. But you have to keep in mind that it's not what it was designed for. You're free to use it that way, but you're making your own decision and taking your own risks; and ideally you would "hold" it to be able to spend it later, like you would if holding USD in your bank account, rather than to be able to cash out like you would with stocks in a brokerage.

>>50970619
>But I dont really understand the logic behind that, if the demand of Monero goes up, lets say everyone wants a piece of it, then the price should definetly be effected by it by going up.

Yes, consistently growing demand and the speculative FOMO-fueled mania that will inevitably ensue will likely send Monero to Mars eventually. But if that's the case then there's no need to constantly dwell on it and attention should instead be firmly and exclusively focused on growing the ecoystem and circular economy and maintaining Monero's ideologically-driven character.

Moonfaggotry attracts the low IQ, high time preference mouth-breathers that over time dilute the cypherpunk extremism that spawned this tech in the first place which then affords them the opportunity, through sheer force of numbers, to influence decision-making and prioritize whatever pumps their bags. See Team Bitcoin.

TL;DR: fuck off and kill yourself, moonfag

Syscon’s ZK-rollups are being perceived as one of the most promising scalability mechanisms, pushing the industry to new heights

>>50968990
Nope, she's a euro. Hungarian I believe.
The anon that knows her posts in the matrix general.

>>50971410
btw read the moneromoon
>>50970649

>>50970637
>Is there any point to regenerating accounts regularly?
No. Again, it's anonymous so they cannot get any personal information as long as you pay in Monero or cash.
See this video to satiate your curiosity:
https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/the-best-anonymous-vpn:3

>We are happy to announce that it’s now possible to run Haveno and test XMR/crypto and XMR/fiat trades with other users in the network by using Monero’s stagenet and the legacy user interface. Follow the instructions and please let us know if you encounter any issue. This is a test network, do not use real money!

>Haveno still includes bisq-related sections and wording, but the essential functionalities are there and ready to be tested. Little bugs and glitches are to be expected.

>There is still a lot to do, but we feel the platform is now stable enough to tag version 0.0.1 and allow the public to test the trade protocol.

>For assistance, questions or to just to get in touch with us, join the #haveno room on Matrix or the room on IRC/Libera (#haveno-dev).
https://haveno.exchange/blog/test-network-launched/

>>50970649
>Twitter eth maxi are repeating the institutional investibility bs
How unexpected.
Your project fails at what to supposed to do and now you are searching for investors to bail you out of this sinking shit.
Where have I seen it before?

>>50971724
>Again, it's anonymous so they cannot get any personal information as long as you pay in Monero or cash.
Except like all my browsing information, duh.

That said I guess if they truly don't keep logs AND if the ID is only ever transmitted to them over TLS/otherwise encrypted, then it could actually indeed be fine to reuse it permanently.

>>50972319
>Except like all my browsing information
How could they get that if no logs are kept and everything is encrypted?
If you're paranoid, change it every month or so. I just don't think it is necessary to do it that often. Maybe every year, that's more reasonable.

>>50972541
>How could they get that if no logs are kept and everything is encrypted?
Yeah that's what I point out in my second paragraph.
There's no way to verify they never keep logs, though they do go to great lengths to require pretty schizo theories on how they might keep them anyway. Providers might also log incoming and outgoing traffic, but as I said they can't log the ID if it's encrypted. Hence, I'm convinced I'm being too schizo and might as well not bother.

>>50964468
Yeah are they just waiting for highest bidder or what? They won't give the name to the getmonero team? Have they commented on this, it sounds sketch af.

>>50970619
Bitcoin was designed to be scarce, first and foremost. The lack of tail emission is a feature of BTC, not a bug. It was intended to start off as cash and end as the ultimate store of value. The problems of running an economy on something that deflates faster than gold and never inflates at all were not considered in its design, or if they were, they were considered too late.

Monero takes the opposite approach, and is cash first, and only a store of value in that it has a predictable supply. That's not to say it isn't worth hodling. Monero isn't only digital cash, it's also financial privacy, which is something that people are willing to pay a lot to get. This is likely to drive value over and above its use as a currency. When people start hiding assets in Monero, even if it's just for a month or two, the value spikes. We keep seeing huge pumps after crypto hacks, because XMR is being traded for to wash the stolen ETH or BTC; then the price goes back down as it's converted into clean ETH or BTC again. It's just a question of how comfortable these parties get with keeping their assets in XMR.

Is there a service to pay a btc receipt in monero? Like a converter

>>50972692
Watch the video I aforementioned. It's based on Sweden so no key-disclosure laws, no legislation to force a backdoor access.
It's open source and has been independently audited.
You're being schizophrenic by making a storm in a cup of water. Just read their website and policies, they're transparent about it:
https://mullvad.net/en/help/no-logging-data-policy/

>>50972941
Not really sure if this what you're referring to, but check it out:
https://sethforprivacy.com/guides/accepting-monero-via-btcpay-server/

>>50972802
>The lack of tail emission is a feature of BTC, not a bug. It was intended to start off as cash and end as the ultimate store of value.

That's pure unadulterated spin, BTC was originally touted and marketed as electronic cash, the pivot towards "muh store of value" only happened when fees got too high and the e-cash narrative lost all credibility.

Its standard maxi operating procedure: when Bitcoin starts fucking up, just change the narrative and keep promising the moon.

>>50972802
>Bitcoin was designed to be scarce, first and foremost
Monero is scarce too. There will be less Monero than Bitcoin until 2040.
>The lack of tail emission is a feature of BTC, not a bug.
Yeah man, high transaction fees is a brilliant feature. Brilliant.

>>50972161
i don't really get it desu
aren't institutions usually more secretive about their finances than many private citizens? they resort to intransparent, convoluted and sometimes illegal methods to hide their money and assets from others. what is so different in the crypto space that it's apparently the reverse here?

>>50973302
No, they are required to report everything, else risk getting audited and arrested. They can't just "hide from the regulatory eye" - a random joe who's one of hundreds of millions of citizens hiding like $10k is an absolute nothingburger, but one of a few hundred thousand financial firms hiding a few tens of millions will NOT escape notice.
>and sometimes illegal methods
When they can get away with it - but the key is that this is only possible where they APPEAR to be legal. They pretend to be transparent and comply with all regulations, which they do by using the normal regulatory channels. Then, if there's an opportunity (which isn't always and may not even be often at all), they also fudge it so everything appears in order but they get extra.

If they used something like monero that just hides everything by default, they couldn't claim that "everything appears to be in order". Unless they were to provide view keys and proofs for everything but then you're effectively back to visible, auditable transactions. Except arguably worse because then in fact you're back to auditable blockchain transactions, rather than convoluted obfuscated traditional bookkeeping.

>>50955487
The real Monerochan has to be Asian

>>50973233
>fees
https://youtu.be/31eI9UD83PY?t=1075

Guys do any of you have any knowledge of how to set up monero mining in the browser?
im trying it on this site but i cant get it to work
https://coinwebmining.com/browser-miner/monero

i think it's a good idea to be able to voluntarily turn on xmr mining for users that want to support your website

>>50969146
>I don't know if I've spent too much time in this general or if literally every post shilling z-cash reads like long-form satire.

Some of them are finally starting to realize the hopeless predicament Zcash is in, the brand is basically ruined beyond repair at this point and no amount of "muh superior tech" will help since said FOSS tech can and will simply be "stolen" by projects with more street cred and stronger network effect.

Thanks again for beta-testing zk-SNARKs for us, Z-cucks!

>>50971544
i got the link for the full album but it got deleted once when i posted it. Kind of sus

https://youtu.be/DaEzT5MusFs?t=44

>>50973680
I imagine her to be like Reika from Gantz.

>>50955487
monero is a scam

>>50975107
>monero is a scam

Yes, we know. Be sure to spread the word!

>>50974717
That post is kinda said.
I would almost feel sorry until I remember that zcucks have CEO, dev tax and other Jewish tricks from the beginning and if you didn't have a problem with you deserve what you've got.

>>50974717
>zcash hopeless
yep

Just starting out on my Monero journey. How much XMR should I start with? I thinking 20 XMR sound good. What do you guys think?

>>50976369
i think 200,000,000 sounds good, why dont you start with that instead

>>50974635
That miner is old.
>at the bottom
Algorithm
CryptoNightV7

>>50976369

>>50976690
This helps, thanks
>>50976658
How the fuck do I get that much?

>>50976726
no problem.
>meanwhile, at the citadel........

>>50968931
old cpu died downloading porn
pls post more thick monerochan

>>50955487
Okay, yeah. I agree that monero works.
Which is better than 99% of the crypto world.

But, does it work too well?
What I mean is:Does it need a government? Nope. Can governments influence it directly? Nope. Is it secret and reasonably secure? Kind off.
Monero is a criminals dream. It just works.

Now. Obviously the above pisses and shits on mosts governments view on how they want money to work.
The criminals angle is also a good legal and political argument.

My question is then:
How could governments try to kill off Monero?
- Kill it off for criminals
- Kill it off for regular users
- Kill it off only in their jurisdiction
- Kill it off totally

>>50976989
>Monero is a criminals dream. It just works.
somewhat. while some baddies use it, it is being used as a payment system. the hodlers use it as it is the only safe place these days. gresham's law has us store wealth in xmr as the bad money has fully comped modern finance. investors taking more risk competing with inflation caused by governments and central banks, and getting little results.

>>50976989
>kill it off for regular users
Might be feasible if every single business transaction requires being 100% tracked using government approved means. That means no cash and stuff. If you do that, even buying bread with monero could be considered criminal - or rather, selling bread would be criminal for the merchant - so very few would bother making "normal" goods available through it. It'd just remain a criminal coin.
>kill it off for everyone
Only way would be to essentially ensure encrypted/hidden internet connectivity is not possible. For example, criminalise encrypted connections to non-approved servers and services. Rip all darknets. You could feasibly try to use some kinda steganography but in the extreme case the state could just mandate that providers drop outbound connections to any non-whitelisted server or service. Once the backbone starts dropping any packets except those to/from google, facebook and netflix (and such), then it's rip.
Also criminalise unauthorised network transmissions while you're at it to ensure meshnets cannot be built.

>>50976989
>My question is then:
>How could governments try to kill off Monero?
>- Kill it off for criminals
>- Kill it off for regular users
>- Kill it off only in their jurisdiction
>- Kill it off totally

Well.....

>there is no corporation or hierarchy to target, most of the core team has obsessively maintained its anonymity, they don't even submit code directly.
>ASIC resistance means there are no mining farms to target, no specialized hardware that can be slapped with an importation & sales ban
>P2Pool is now bundled into the official GUI wallet and adoption is growing, once it hits 51%+ dominance Monero essentially becomes immune to 51% attacks
>DEXification has been a top priority over the past year and now there 2 separate ones on the horizon, Haveno & Serai, both of which will be forked into many more iterations.
>official atomic swaps are nearly done, Farcaster team is weeks away from making a formal mainnet launch

TL;DR: Uncle Sam & Friends can't kill development, can't hinder mining, soon won't even be able to mount a 51% attack and absolutely won't be able to halt trading since other cryptos are set to become the on/offramps, CEXs not needed.

There's still the possibility of port blocking but users can just use different ports (including HTTP standard 80/443), VPNs, Tor, some kind of middleman/transaction forwarder and/or loads of other techologies to circumvent this. Unless they completely cut off the internet (including satellite, which is hard), there will be a way to use Monero.

>>50977130
>Farcaster team is weeks away from making a formal mainnet launch
Where did you read that? I track that report, there are updates almost daily but still.
Seem like a lot of work to be done.
Especially if there is supposed to be some gui for mainstream adoption.

>>50977171

A MoneroKon video from a couple months back implied they'd be launching about now.

https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=uSFsqewgJXU

Must watch video for XMR (or any privacy) fags.

>>50976960
>thick monerochan

>>50976960

>>50978051
>>50977992
thanks stranger
please everyone else contribute your best monerochans

>>50978122
thiccposting pleases kek

Featherbros, how the fuck do I change the transaction fee to make it faster?

>>50978122
Fucking disgusting

>>50959320
>he doesn't have XMR
>he doesn't have precious metals
>he doesn't have ammo
>he doesn't have stored food
>he doesn't have local trade networks
The absolute state of ztrannies.

>>50983242
More glasses monerochan please

>>50970649
How often do you write these things? I swear I see these every two-three days. You have a lot of hecking time anon. Still, good work in compiling the news for us.

Whats the binance news everyone keeps talking about?

>>50984730
xmr on binance again

*blocks you're path*
Monero is now obsolete, behold the new official currency of Kekistan.

>>50985219
is it on binance.us or just regular chinknance? maybe ill make an account if its on us since im american

>>50985396
i thought the dev team for this gave up and quit like 5 years ago

>>50985396

>>50986341
i believe usa binance doesn't offer xmr

>>50985219
oh great here come the speculators

>>50986341
>is it on binance.us or just regular chinknance?
What's the difference? Are they two different entities?

>>50985219
Is this fractional reserve Monero again?

>>50985219
lol, lmao, kek, kol, jej, rolf, lmfao, haha even.

Morning, frens.

>>50983602
The newsleteer is weekly and he currently gets paid by the CCS for it, which will run out soon. There is a new proposal, but it may not pass.

Guess how much he charges per week & how many readers there are.

>>50955487
Not buying this shitcoin til i see the monero anime girl DP'd.

>>50955487
How do I still use tornado cash anyway?

>>50987828
Don't. Just use XMR to launder your (((surveillance shitcoins))). The fees are lower for ETH>XMR>ETH than ETH>Tornado Cash>ETH.

>>50984730
The SEC is (correctly) accusing Chinance of using Tether to manipulate the prices of other crypto assets. This is basically Boggageddon for every coin or token that lives and dies by speculation.

>>50988251
Xmr is fucked as well isn't it?

>>50987664
Morning!

>>50988334
No. The whole reason Tether is a problem is they can mint more on demand. It's basically counterfeit US dollars.

>>50988490
Yeah but so far everytime the market take a huge dump xmr followed.
Muh decoupling is a delusional meme.

>>50987801
I thought he's doing that for free, kek. Well, I guess I'm less impressed now.

>>50970649
>>50987801
Is it better if I donate to the CCS proposal or directly to John's site?

>>50986356
So you want a team of people dedicated to controlling your money? Sounds glow

>>50987801
>>50988782
12 XMR every three months for a weekly recap sounds a bit too much. Maybe drop that down by half and it would be much more palatable. Maybe I'm just being cheap about it, but it is what it is.
Also, can he improve the layout of Monero Moon? I know he's currently doing it through substack but I'd really appreciate it if the TOC is in a sidebar that I can quickly go through or atleast provide return links at every heading. While I'm at it, can the embed be placed in a different column so it doesn't constantly break up what I'm reading.
Other than that, it's a pretty cool and comfy newsletter. Just a little bit of polish and a little lower price demand and I'd pitch in.

>>50988805
The new proposal is not open for funding yet. You should read the discussion on the CCS gitlab and comment there.

Moderobros, anyone bought any ARRR? I'M thinking of throwing a couple of hundred bucks into it, seems like a good entry point

>>50989682
Nah fuck that

>>50989682
im gonna wait for the next crypto crash down personally before buying but i plan to grab some pirate coin too. i think we will see the next 30% crash by mid september whenever the fed reserve does their meeting

>>50989682
Putting money into ARRR instead of buying more Monero is like putting money into Vertcoin instead of Bitcoin in 2013.

>>50989966
To expand the idea, almost every "ETH-killer" ends up bleeding against Ethereum. It turns out that your actual gains are much higher over the long term with buying the big blue chips versus their small cap alts. Higher long-term gains + less risk is a no brainer.

>>50990012

but its nice to distribute and diversify even if its a little bit. because lets say some firm cracks moneros privacy somehow, all of a sudden XMR becomes worth zero. the entire value of monero is derived from its security and privacy, it that disappears the coin is done

>>50955487
STOP RECOMMENDING KUCOIN IN THIS THREAD
IF YOU ATTEMPT TO INTERACT WITH XMR (deposit/withdrawal) THEY WILL FREEZE YOUR ENTIRE ACCOUNT AND DEMAND FULL RECEIPTS ON SOURCE OF DEPOSIT FUNDS

>>50959320
Are you sure uou have understood the meaning and functionality of physical cash and how Monero is the digital clone of it?

If you will be happy and own nothing, you will be for sure using a CBDC currency on an app, that is tied to your health and vaxx status, your social and political behavior and your climate footprint.
And when you are at the grocery store and want to buy meat but you are not allowed to, you realize how valuable it is to have Monero to pay the butcher around the corner for meat with Monero since your globohomo coin won't allow you that.

Do you really think that we care if KYC platforms ban XMR or not?
Monero is designed to withstand just THAT.
The more regulation and banning of XMR, the more sense Monero makes.

Any other coinomi users waiting for the damn wallet to update

Should I switch to Monerujo?

>>50990389
Stop having your money in a proprietary wallet lmao

when’re we getting rich lads?

>>50990065
Arrr is a literal pump and dump with no active development. Vertcoin is a great comparison. It was shilled and then once the bear market hits nothing happens with it.
Also Moneros privacy can't be "cracked". Ring signatures do allow metadata to leak but this is easily avoidable and frankly not a concern for most users. Watch breaking Monero.

>>50991691
next week i presume

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1660913303827492.webm

>>50991876
>next week i presume

Indeed, next Thursday.

>>50956446
>>50964306
But it's not even "web centric".
It wouldn't be as wasteful if those js "desktop" apps ran as a tab in your already running normal web browser instance. That would be "web centric". But because every such app launches it's own entire Chromium web browser instance, it wastes so much system resources it's unreal.
It could either be just some js, in which case, why is it not a website, or if system level stuff is needed that can't be provided by a browser, it should be a server software that opens op a local webpage as an interface, like Syncthing for example.
And the funny thing is, >95% of apps are just CRUD. Completely uninteresting. You could do it with a no-JS GET-POST website that also loads lightning fast.

>>50991184
which one do you recommend for android? Cake or moneroju? are they both open source?
Coinomi has been around the block for a while. The features arent bad but yea not fully opensource

>>50992231
moneroju is what I use, never had any issues with it

>>50992142
I'm not sure it makes such a big difference - a lot of the weight comes from just running the JS engine and DOM renderer on an extremely complex app that goes way beyond what either JS or HTML were originally designed for. In comparison, honestly having a second instance of the surrounding bootstrap for the browser is not even that big of an impact.
The actual webapps for those "apps" aren't significantly lighter than the electron apps. The issue isn't that the native app is heavier than the website, it's that the website is an extremely heavy piece of shit and that there's no alternative because the "desktop apps" are literally just the same website.

I started buying and selling on localmonero this week and already did three deals. Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

>>50992783
>I started buying and selling on localmonero this week and already did three deals. Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

Selling pre-loaded paper Monero wallets is lucrative as fuck.

>>50992915
Imagine smuggling paper wallets, peak revolution. For now we gotta stay with online deals.

I'm playing with the idea of creating some sort of local monero market (legal things).
I had the idea where you could create posts without an account because muh privacy however what if there are scammers?
How would you know is reliable or not without history/rating?
I could always say fuck it it's your own responsibility, trade in person if you are unsure.

>>50990290
Based and ez id pilled

>>50993090
>For now we gotta stay with online deals.

Selling paper wallets is essentially the same as selling weed: you build up a network of return customers who recommend you to others, easy money if you're willing to take the risk.

>>50993560
>I'm playing with the idea of creating some sort of local monero market (legal things).
Like a normal Monero market?

>I had the idea where you could create posts without an account because muh privacy however what if there are scammers?
>How would you know is reliable or not without history/rating?
You could resolve by making a combination of Session and Reddit/Dread. Basically, create a session-like ID for anonimity (and a username option to identify merchants better) or you could do it like AlphaBay does. Reddit/Dread style but instead of up votes you get "recommendations" by other users - this means that a user bought something and the seller is legit. The greater upvotes/recommendations/reviews the better. Or disregard the upvotes entirely and position the 1-5 star reviews next to a seller's ID so that you discern which ones are legitimate.

Just throwing ideas, what do you think?

Ya'al look at this piece of history

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755840.0

XMR has endured LOTTA shit in it's early days..

ONIONS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ofpaF5pkE8

Monero-chan is a Cute

>>50994207
>Like a normal Monero market?
Yup you could sell your old watch, some plants, bag of potatoes.. whatever and it's a xmr on ramp
>You could resolve by making a combination of Session and Reddit/Dread
Don't really understand this.
My original idea was each post would have its own key, and if you have the key you can edit/delete that post (or if you are admin ofc).
But I think it's too complicated and not needed.
I would still want an email so you don't have to put it there in the open, where it gets scrapped by bots.
And if you like an offer, there would be text area, where you would put your email and the message, the web would send an email and if the seller is interested as well, they then know who to reply.

Also not sure how I would deal with spam/illegal content etc. I don't have time to check it daily, it would be more or less deploy it and forget it kind of deal.
I would get no money from it anyway, doubt anyone would donate or something.

>>50993560
moneromarket.io

Except this one uses javascript and the admin hasn't addressed that (that I've seen) so that kinda torpedoes my plan to actually sell the thing I'm making on that site.

Anyone else have suggestions of where/how I can sell legal items directly for Monero? I am not a webshit guy.

Where all my Zchads at?

>>50993560
Markets become more attractive the more users a platform has. Buyers find stuff quicker, sellers sell stuff quicker. If the trading volume is low, it's not as convenient for sellers (they sit on inventory longer) and thus they're likely to charge a premium which further disincentivises buyers and slows growth. Yet growth is needed, especially at the beginning to get the whole thing off the ground.

I think a better approach would be a pseudo monero-market, where sellers can post links to their offers hosted on other sites. For example throw in a Craigslist link, and the monero-market web-scrapes text, images and the price (which is automatically converted to xmr). This method is also a good filter against CP and other shit, it's filtered out for you. To prevent people from claiming random posts, you'd need to put a verification code generated by monero-market in your Craigslist ad. Or maybe even register entire user accounts, so that all new offers are pulled automatically.

The main benefit for sellers is the neglegible amount of extra effort and the reassurance that buyers can pull charge back bs. The main benefit for buyers is the vastly larger selection of goods, and the rating system from the 3rd party side.

Its not perfect privacy wise, but all other things being equal I'd rather buy/sell in XMR than any other method.

>>50995450
Adding: Once transaction volume is high enough, you could offer sellers to make "XMR-only" ads hosted directly on the monero market to avoid all third parties

>>50995450
>>50995493
Interesting idea.
I've have been using these sites a lot and as far as I know there two main ones in my country(maybe fb marketplace now as well)
I could do something like that that would incorporated these two sites and give the posters the option the get payed in xmr instead when using this site.

>>50988805
>https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755840.0

>>50994005
>if you're willing to take the risk.
I'm not aware of monero - or any specific type of monero wallet - being illegal or criminal in most countries. What risk?

>>50995632
oops ignore the link

>>50995649
>I'm not aware of monero - or any specific type of monero wallet - being illegal or criminal in most countries. What risk?

Illegal money transmission is a thing. You'd basically need to be licensed and subject to reporting to operate legally.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1960

>>50995727
Is monero actually classified as money? Or does this mean in the US it's completely illegal to sell anything as a side gig - what happens if you sell, say, molded silicon furry fleshlights on etsy?

>>50994771
>Don't really understand this.
In Session you don't provide any personal info, you just create an account and they assign you a number (that you can share and talk to others). Kind of like creating a wallet but for messaging.
In AlphaBay you create an account by using an personal name (pseudonym/alias), a username, password and a pin number for withdrawals.
The aforementioned is for account information only (anonimity purposes). Instead of providing anything tied to your identity in real life.

As for the bot issue, introduce a captcha before posting or have a premium version (that way you are monetized and the site pays for itself) - like 4chan here does. Blacklist words from spam/illegal posts, that way they do not appear and go into "limbo" before removal.

>>50995799

>LocalBitcoins Trader Charged for Running Unlicensed Bitcoin Exchange

An indictment published by Detroit TV news service WD-IV reveals that a 52-year-old Michigan man, Bradley Anthony Stetkiw, was recently charged with running an unlicensed money transmitting business after selling nearly $150,000 worth of bitcoin between 2013 and 2015, out of which over $56,000 were to law enforcement agents.

Notably, the document filed with the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan shows that out of the nearly $150,000 Stetkiw traded, over $56,000 were sold to federal agents over the course of six meetings.

Due to the traded volume, Stetkiw should have been registered as a Money Service Business with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), and should develop and maintain an effective Anti-Money Laundering (AML) program. After seeing he didn’t authorities went after him and arranged meetings that would lead to his arrest.

https://www.ccn.com/localbitcoins-trader-charged-for-running-unlicensed-bitcoin-exchange/

>>50995869
gay.

>>50995897
tl;dr yes Monero is a virtual asset, just like Bitcoin. Legislature or the possible ban of it is a completely different and harder process.

>>50995897

Well, what did you expect? Dealing in contraband is lucrative precisely because of the risks involved, higher risk = higher reward.

I'd consider selling XMR paper wallets about as risky as low-level weed dealing. For some, its an acceptable risk and they'll end up making bank, assuming they don't get caught. In fact, its likely that most XMR street dealers will be drug dealers themselves considering how they're now losing business to the darknet, if you can't sell customers gear anymore you can sell them easy access to the darknet's default currency instead.

>>50994211
lmao imagine if you believed that article and sold, look at the price three years later same month, same day

Anyone here having experience with phone renting services which support glorious Monero? I'm going mad looking at shitty websites which seem to be scam
Crypton.sh is the only one that looked kind of legit but I'm very doubtful...

>>50994257
>you have 100000XMR

Reminder that Zcash looks to the future while Monero remains stuck in the past.

Reminder that non-compliance = no institutional investors = no moon mission.

>>50997287

Go be a compliance cuck somewhere else.

Why is everything doomping again?
It's so tiresome

>>50997404

King Shitcoin took another dump.

>>50997437
That in turn is because the SEC is going after Tether.

>>50997504

Can't wait for Tether to finally pull the rug and collapse the house of cards that is the Clownworld Casino. Monero will also take a hit but at least we have growing darknet & organized crime demand to limit the damage.

>>50997597
I also patiently await for tether's and subsequently btc's downfall. Will slurp hard on XMR.
It is a much needed step to remove the irrationality and ponzis/scams from the markets.

NEW THREAD: >>50998225
>NEW THREAD: >>50998225
NEW THREAD: >>50998225
>NEW THREAD: >>50998225
NEW THREAD: >>50998225
>NEW THREAD: >>50998225

>>50989682
>>50989966
>>50990012
>>50990065

>>50997597
The silver lining to the threat of monero getting banned/delisted everywhere is that, if such a crash were to happen to bitcoin and tether, monero would hardly get hit (if at all) because it wouldn't be held by irrational investors who "follow the market" and dump their crypto at a moment's notice.

>>50995727
RIP McAfee