/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50909828
Why not become the boss yourself, friend?

Socialism destroys innovation.

>>50909828
Just organize with other people and create your own company where you share profit with each other. It's that simple. What, it's too much work / it's too complicated? Well that's a shame,

The boss takes his cut for connecting the worker to the customer. Work has no inherent value.

>>50909856

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>>50909856
Nooo not like that!

>>50909828
Lol get fucked wagie

>>50909828
it's not theft because this transaction was agreed upon beforehand
the worker agreed to work for $20 an hour, no matter how much or how little revenue the business makes, thats why he applied there

>>50909887
But if the boss makes little revenue the worker is instantly fucked and gets fired no matter what.

>>50909828
This is bait.

>>50909919
I know but I'm bored.

>>50909911
the boss got fucked even harder, he now has to pay the bank back

>>50909828
no because the worker agreed to it. Now when you say im gonna take the boss profit and give it to the state, that is theft

Marx's observation wasn't that labour was the root of all wealth; any idiot could tell you that.
It also wasn't that the individual worker was being ripped off either; on average he's getting fair market value.
His observation was that class conflict was the primary driving force of history, and just as the bourgeois overthrew the aristocracy in their liberal revolutions so too would the proletariat overthrow the bourgeoisie.

>>50909828
the boss has to pay himself in some manner. also, the worker's boss is likely only a shift manager and not the factory owner, so if that person is pocketing those profits, then that guy's boss and everyone else above that and corporate would be hounding that man, as well as the tax office, be hounding him for COMMITTING EMBEZZLEMENT AND FRAUD

>>50909911
The worker then just goes to work for the competitor, while his former factory is fucked.

>>50909828
Finance and economics are pseudoscientific make believe garbage, capitalism is inherently unstable, exploitative and unsustainable with a built in expiration date. All finance assets like money,crypto,debt,bonds etc are purely parasitic in nature and serve no purpose nor have any inherent value and profit is theft. Ever escalating recessions, poverty,wealth inequality, disease, pollution, slavery, conflict and wars are fundamental and necessary functions of it, not glitches, and every single financier or crypto dudebro is a literal parasite.

>>50909943
Not if you're a large corporation
>>50909963
And the competitors pay them even less.

>>50909959
money lenders overthrew aristocracy, and money lenders will overthrow the "burgeois" (commie code word for white ppl)

who would win in a competition to starve the least amount of people, an entire ideology or a single goyslop fast food chain?

>>50909994
Then everyone lives on one giant nigger jeet plantation until the end of time. Hurray

>>50909828
If worker work, recieve what the government want and can never speak anything against this government is this not considered slavery?

>>50909828
>If a worker works for 20 dollars an hour, produces 100 dollars worth of value, and the boss pockets the profit (after expenses and all the other things), is this not considered theft?

The boss holds the risk- if there is a fire and the warehouse burns down, the worker can walk away without having to pay for anything. The boss will lose everything. The boss owns the capital, machines, warehouse, and intellectual property. And spent time and energy developing all of that. The boss re-invests profits that he takes, from the work (value) that the workers produce, into growing the business.

The boss came up with the idea, took the risk, secured investors, capital, and made sure that the business logic was sound, and became successful and offered jobs to the miserable communists like yourself that couldnt be fucked with coming up with anything original by yourselves. -Henceforth why you are theives. You just steal, and maybe the most sickening part about you loser degenerates is how you try to make it sound like you are the virtuous ones when you steal. Dumbfucks.

What, you expect the 100 bucks to be split 50/50 between the boss and worker ? Fucking retards. No wonder the USSR failed. Dumbass.

I advise you to read "Basic Economics" by Tomas Sowell. Maybe it will deprogram your NPC mind.
Get fucked

>>50910019
yep jews dont care about tech or modern comforts, they just want their mutt slaves

Does the worker know enough to produce the product? Do they have equipment? No, you stupid jew.

>>50909828
No.
>1. The employee agreed to work for this price.
>2. The boss brings to the table the ability to find paying customers. If the employee thinks they can do that then they shouldn't be agreeing to work for the boss in the first place, no matter the price.

>>50909828
If worker can create 100 in value without the structure boss has created, then worker is a fucking retard doing it for 20 an hour and deserves what he gets.

>>50910036
finally someone who knows and has READ A BOOK

>>50910036
Business gets indebted to banks, the bank reaps all the gains while doing the minimum effort. This is the real thievery.
>risk
the modern bank takes no risk since they are all connected to central banking aka money printer. If debtor cant pay back, the bank takes whatever assets he has left while losing nothing (the money was never theirs it got created in the loan)

>>50909828
It wasn't theft when the worker consented and signed a contract to work for $20 an hour. Is it theft if it costs you $0.25 to grow a potato but you sell it for $0.30? Theft is when you take someone else's property by force, you know, like every communist government that has ever existed.

>>50910036
>spent time developing all of that
sure, small businesses are driven by these people, but almost all business (and certainly businesses of scale) are conducted by enormous corporations and conglomerates, who in turn are by majority owned by very few people with hereditary connections
fucking wake up

>>50909828
Boss gathers all the materials, takes on all the risks, pays property taxes, etc. The worker doesn't produce that much value they just help the owner complete tasks. Workers are plentiful.

>>50909959
Who will overthrow the proletariat?

>>50909911
Nah, the worker gets paid from business owners pocket. Because it takes about a year for any business to turn profitable.

>>50909852
Hitler would disagree

>>50910309
https://mises.org/library/starvation-and-military-keynesianism-lessons-nazi-germany

>>50910309
>Hitler
>A socialist
Oof.

>>50909959
subtle evangelion poster

>>50910318
The most retarded thing neo-nazi larpers and Marxists have come up with must be the delusion that Hitler somehow wasn't Socialist because he didn't love Marx or something. You can even read it from his party's name retard.

>>50909868
i wish i was billy if you know what i mean

>>50909828
Without your boss, you earn 0$ an hour. Duh.

>>50910316
The only reason why Germany was starving was because the allies were bombing the shit out of the supply chain bro.

>>50910343
>he put "Socialist Worker's Party" in his party name, therefore he was a full-blown Socialist.
Dude, really...

>>50910318
here, mofo, just do us all a favour and spend 20 minutes getting educated on the history of fascism instead of making us all argue a stupid discussion you already lost:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2NQy7D28O4

>>50909828
Kill yourself commie, and go back.

>>50910382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2NQy7D28O4

>>50910116
Money lending is parasitism, true. The most profitable business yet it creates nothing.

>>50910374
Yeah bro, it was not because government was micromanaging food production.

Besides, why were the allies bombing the shit out of Germany? Maybe because they invaded Poland and threatened to invade rest of the Europe?

>>50910343
>>50910382
he was socialist.. and nationalist. National socialist
as opposed to communism (international communism)
racial exclusion vs racial inclusion

>>50909828
often the boss is another worker hired for the job and competition to get the best boss is to ensure the best productivity (a shitty or even subpar boss can completely wreck a company with hundreds or thousands of workers). that being said it seems to my unprofessional opinion that some of these bosses are still paid too much but i don't have the arrogance to say i know that for sure. sometimes the market sets the price.

but if what you mean by boss is the owner or owners then they take profit yes. the profit is their reward for setting up that business in the first place, which can take a lot of skill and a lot of upfront capital and a lot of risk. the reward has to be proportional to the risk or they wouldn't have taken that risk to begin with. sometimes maybe they may seem to make too much money, but again, the market may be setting the price there as well, they take as much money as the market can afford them to take and any more the business goes under or suffers (subpar productivity from not paying enough to get the best people). everyone is just trying to get the maximum amount of money the market will allow.

you can try to micromanage that, to take over the "decisions" made by the market, but with so many factors at play that is beyond the capabilities of most people to price things in effectively. with the dunning-kruger effect working on politicians and bureaucrats trying to control prices and wages, they may be les effective at price and wage control then they think, wrecking companies, and in some cases allowing people to starve. not to mention few people in such positions of power are ever benevolent.

so you have multiple factors at play greed, incompetence, malice, markets, etc. and getting the ideal wages, prices, and etc can be difficult if not impossible no matter how you try to play it. and not much can realistically be done about that.

>>50910402

lending is not the most profitable business comrade and it creates liquidity

>>50909828
If a worker works for 20 dollars an hour, produces 100 dollars worth of value, and the boss pockets the profit (after expenses and all the other things), is this not considered based?

>>50909828
No because the only reason the worker can generate 100 dollars of value is because the boss invested heavily in $1,000,000's of machinery, factories, tools, health and safety, regulations, taxes, and other investments related to the business, all risking his own capital along the way from start to finish.

>>50909959
Ready for the bourgeoisie to win the conflict thanks to automation and proletariat not breeding?

>>50910408
>why were the allies bombing the shit out of Germany?
Jewish bankers no longer had control over money
>invaded Poland
Poland invaded first. https://www.bitchute.com/video/mQR00P8G6M9E/
Are you really this much of a normie?

>>50910382
Kill yourself retard. You have never even glanced at a book yet you spout your dimwit garbage. Maybe you should try mein kampf or even the 25 point program or even some relevant speeches by the party members first before projecting your wrong views on them. God poltard neo nazi larpers and Marxists are retarded.

>>50910116
ah yes i forgot to mention banks in my analysis, they can really throw things off. not to mention venture capitalists and other loaners. but if you have the means and ideas to start something but you don't have any funding what other way is there? without loans only the people with both money and ideas/skills can set up businesses and there just aren't very many of those people. a necessary evil perhaps but at what cost. nothing will ever be ideal, but maybe things can be made more ideal if not completely ideal but im not sure how.

>>50910451
>Poland invaded first.
you're a fucking morong. Like god damn how do you not forget breathing, fucktard?

>>50910152
Yeah, and the solution is to start our own businesses, which should be as easy as possible... except the state has raised taxes so high that only big corps can run a business, there is so much red tape and rules and regulations that only the huge players can afford the cost, thus creating monopolies.

Make it so every dumb fuck can start a business and the free market would return in an instant. The problem is not capitalism, it's that the STATE keeps bailing out these failing businesses when they should be allowed to fail, and not only that they subsidize them too. There is no competition anymore and people blame "late stage capitalism" whereas it's actually late state "state capitalism" which is a blurring of the line between state and industry.

You want that gilded age of capitalism back where anyone could make it, you want a small government and low taxes.

>>50910465
>can be made more ideal if not completely ideal
i meant more ideal albeit not completely ideal

>>50910451
>da joos
Okay.

>Poland invaded first
>posts a bitchute link
lol

It's not fucking hard, retard. Politician gets power and realizes he needs an external enemy / war to justify staying in power.

>>50910486
>there is so much red tape and rules and regulations that only the huge players can afford the cost,
which is why the huge players often lobbied (ie bribed) for those rules and regulations in the first place. often under the guise of benevolent concerns

>>50910465
>without loans only the people with both money and ideas/skills can set up businesses and there just aren't very many of those people
And that's a good thing. Besides, most inventors, philosophers, geniuses, whatever were funded by some rich aristocrat or some (superficially) useless position in the church in the past.

>>50910465
>without loans only the people with both money and ideas/skills can set up businesses
the way it was meant to be

>>50910478
Go back
>>50910498
It is the jews retard and if aren’t even willing to listen to the other side of the story you shouldn’t take part in the conversation. The truth doesn’t work off the verified fact checkers nigger.