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>>5085055
Because every other socioeconomic plan is way more fucked then democracies.

If you're so smart, tell me a better option and don't give me this libertarian or communist bullshit because it never works. Power always goes to peoples heads.

>>5085111
>Libertarianism doesn't work

Explain America to me then. Specifically explain the massive economic growth of the wild west where there was literally no lawmen.

back to /pol/ faggot
get that ass saged

>>5085111
Also aristocratic monarchy is far preferable to democracy.

>>5085125
this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>5085055
you are correct my ancap friend

democracy only works if its participants respect liberty and the NAP

>>5085055
The majority works in crypto because everyone has a mutual interest in accurate accounting and record keeping. Everyone benefits from this in a free market.
The majority sucks in the real world because retards and dilettantes vote on complex issues which they are either unqualified for or uninformed on.

>>5085132
fuck you crypto is based on 51% rule you stupid fGgot!

>>5085111
The solution is right in front of you retard.
Instead of choosing who to trust, we are choosing to trust no one. Why do you think bitcoin is a global currency.

>>5085163
we trust 51% of miners you fucking protofag brainlet!

>>5085125
>>5085147
>spaghetti western are documentarie

nothing works.
culture is more important than system. system shapes system but culture shapes system more. imposition of system requires fertile culture that is in synergy with system. the solution to the problems of humanity lie in improving humans via culture and genetics/eugenics, a compatible former being required for the latter to function.

>>5085152
yeah i get that but if you get into something likeADA that mutual interest can get pretty diverse.

>>5085125
>free land
>free resources
>look at all that wealth we just created cleetus!

>>5085199
interesting view, i like it

>>5085125
>>5085139
>>5085163
Enjoy not having laws. "But muh guns will protect me" Enjoy being raped and killed by much stronger much more prepared men. You guys act like nothing can stop you. There is a reason we started all this democracy bullshit. To keep neets like yourselves from killing each other. I like decentralization forsure, but the otherways are just fucking delusional. The only real answer is decentralization through technology. Sure drugs laws are bullshit and libertarians are against democracy for that main reason. But they don't realize they can just campaign to get them removed much easier then enacting communism.

>>5085228
Thats where market incentives come in. Miners hash for money, which in turn secures the network.

>>5085239
im well prepared you fucking cuck! come bring it you homo.

>>5085111
Fascism

>>5085125
>America
>Libertarian

Also America isn't a great example seeing as its collapsing

>>5085256
yeah but im talking about the ada improvment proposals not mining.

>>5085267
Literally facism is about fucking over the normal guys for the sake for the nation. Its totally not going to help the majority.

>>5085351
The nation is everyone you idiot

>>5085351
mmhhhh reichscoin! when?

>>5085359
The only people it fucks over are commies and jews. Boo hoo

>>5085125
>massive amounts of resources just sitting there
>take it
LIBERTARIANISM DID THIS
WHOA!
THIS WEALTH OF OIL, LAND, CATTLE AND PRODUCE WAS CREATED BY COWBOYS WITH GUNS AND THEIR IDEOLOGY
- t. Useful Idiot

>>5085125
Libertarians believe in democracy or they aren't libertarians.

Same for ancaps.

Anarchism is democracy's final form.

>>5085359
Right the nation is everyone... All the wealth will go to the government and its allies because they have the keys to power. Why would they help workers if their vote/money doesn't mean shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

educate yourself

>>5085125
>Libertarianism doesn't work
>Explain America to me then

>>5085391
no constitutional republic you awful pos!

>>5085233
Africa has the same thing dumbass. Resources don't have value until made into goods.

>>5085239
No one wants no laws dumbass. We don't want rulers. Also in the current world the U.S. has the most guns and is the strongest and does whatever the fuck it wants. You just described reality as it is today.

>>5085292
That's why I was speaking about it in the past tense. America is a communist shithole today.

>>5085515
>the strongest and does whatever the fuck it wants
you literally described democracy and its government. Btw without any rulers whos going to protect the actual country. Whos gonna fly the F35s and be an organized military. The Chinese will roll over you fuckers.

Why do you think libertardanism is good? Its just opression by the corporations.

>>5085545
I did describe democracy and its government. That's what I said I was describing. And you agreed with me. And now you are trying to argue about something we agreed upon. Let this be a lesson to all you kids out there. Don't try statism. Not even once.

Finally in Ancapistan there is no limit on ownership of weapons. In the shithole of America you get killed by niggers on the street because owning a weapon is illegal. Have fun spending your tax money to raise Jamal's kid only to be stabbed by him on the street because you can't legally defend yourself.

>>5085055
Democracy is the least violent form of running a society. It might be shitty, but historically, everything else was even shittier.

I am not holding my breath for an AnCap society which is basically a nigger-style rule of the most powerful (wealthy).

If democracy is oppression by the majority, oppression by any minority has always created violence, corruption, nepotism and poverty for most/riches for a few.

If land was not a limited resource, AnCaps might even have a point - everyone could move to wherever they want, stake a claim of land and live how they want to.

>>5085617
Niggers don't have wealth so you cannot say rule by the wealthy is nigger-tier dumbass.

>>5085605
hurr durr i changed my opinion from the original post because the other guy was correct, so i'll just agree with him on everything and then revalidate my points, now lets bring up statism which is literally different from a democrazy

>>5085156

It's not.

>>5085055
Libertarians don't really think things through

>>5085605
hurr durr they have ak47s, complete distribution of the military right there.

Lets see you be smart enough to fly a F35 or lets see you operate a ARAM tank

>>5085055
its the best we got, period.

>>5085628
It's not like I ever implied niggers would run the world in an AnCap society. It would be sleaze-bags like Trump.

What I did say is that the right of the most powerful to overrule everything else is bush-tier lack of civilization.

I'd rather live in a world where everyone is forced to play by the rules instead of live in a glorified Somalia.

>>5085515
>We don't want rulers
Well that sucks because other nations have rulers and always will and they're much stronger than anarchist utopia LARPing brainlets with no unity or cohesiveness.

>>5085636
Are you really this stupid or just trolling? Read the post dumbfuck.

>>5085738
What makes you think AnCapistan won't expand onto Statist land you dumbfuck? There will be private militaries and they will invade and conquer statist lands and after conquering it the land will be theirs, thus a profit incentive for conquest.

>>5085745
>Explain America to me then. Specifically explain the massive economic growth of the wild west where there was literally no lawmen.
Explain America to me then. Specifically explain the massive economic growth of the wild west where there was literally **no lawmen**.

I read enough

>>5085605
>Finally in Ancapistan there is no limit on ownership of weapons.

Muh NAP!

Oh wait, everyone can own as many guns as they like, that's the sure way to have as little aggression as possible. I swear, libertards/AnCraps have the intellectual potential of a 3y-old.

Let me ask you, my demented friend, would you forcibly limit the ownership of nukes in private hands?

>>5085499
pretty sure colonials got rich taking over africa

>>5085771
Muh NAP. Oh, it doesn't extend to foreign countries?

>>5085656
Ever heard of Erik Prince? He has a private military and is 30 times more efficient than the U.S. army. Its called the tooth to tail ratio. That is the number of soldiers vs number of supports. Erik Prince's tooth to tail is 4 to 1. The U.S. armies is 1 to 8. You do the math.

>>5085824
Foreign countries are not persons and technically speaking people living in those countries are property of the state. Property has no rights.

>>5085834
Define efficiency, do you mean costs? You realise America has one of the most expensive militarys but doesnt have as many troops compared to other nations like NK or China? But it could still roll them over? Why? Because costs and technology mean a hell of a lot more then muh troop count.

>>5085796
No. Nukes are the way you dissuade larger states from attacking before you conquer said states. The amount of pussies that have invaded 4chan is ridiculous. I thought this was supposed to be a soyboy free zone.

>>5085859
I mean where it takes the U.S. Army $1million to do a job it takes Erik Prince $50k. That's what I mean. Mr. Prince talks about this all the time. That's why the army prefers to hire him over using its own soldiers.

> Ancapistan

I'm gonna poison the stream that passes through my property with lead because I think its fun.
> Muh NAP
If you try to stop me I'll shoot you with the sensor-activated automatic machine guns I own as soon as you put one finger in my property.

If you want you can also sue me in private court, however, I bought the judge and he now convicted you to 100 years in private prison (which you pay for).

> Ancapistan - where at least you are free...

>>5085888
Oh one guy, such an example, so powerful. Lets see this applied in a state with no laws.
>That one guy becomes the most powerful person
>Starts enacting crazy laws because hes the most powerful
>Oh we are back were we started.

Western democracy is particularly dangerous because it gives power of vote to a person every 4 years who isn't and has no time to be actively engaged in politics. That way there are a lot of ignorants who fall victim to massive ad campaigns and false promises.

If everyone was actively involved in politics, you should have less bullshit overall. India is a nice example of a country that forces people after 18 to actively pursue politics and they have over 100+ political parties.

>>5085909
Basically what McAffee did in Belize

>>5085849
LOL, thanks I have read enough. People are property of the state... brahaha

Only in AnCrap land...

>>5085866
So, you would break the NAP, right? Or are you simply trying to redefine things (as in the other answer) to save face.

Yes, I am a filthy statist, because I have a semi-working brain and can actually think through scenarios.

>>5085909
If your best argument against AnCapistan is that we will return to where we are now then you don't actually have an argument.

>>5085931
hahaha dont you realise all rulers are going to be selfish or are you that naive to think they will do things for the "greater good"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

educate yourself

>>5085928
It is not against the NAP to defend yourself against those breaking the NAP. Statism by definition is breaking the NAP so there are literally no limits to what you can do to Statists under the NAP. That's logic my friend.

>>5085944
>Peaceful neighboring state.
>Conquer and destroy it

I was only defending myself! You freaks have the same thinking medieval Christianity had. They are not us, so we are free to destroy them. Oh wait, that's about what radical Muslims say as well.

I can't wait for AnCrap to become the official religion of the USA. Fun times.

>>5085914
India has more bullshit

>>5085914
Democracy is a mess only cause we lack the right of free association and secession. The biggest problem of democracy is that there is no limit to it and you cannot dissociate, if tomorrow 51% of the people go insanely gay and forbid heterosexual relationships, as a revenge for past times, there's nothing protecting us from it.

>>5085239
>Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor.