/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50730663
I think its kino. I like the bongs but their elite class have been raping their economy and identity as long as I can remember.

calm down, the growth is just slowing down, it will pass

it's over

>>50730663
Britain deserves this. Such a shitty fucking economy, "let's just bet everything on financial services and laundering the money of Russian oligarchs, lol".

Utterly, utterly fucked. Britain has next to no natural resources; seventy million people (with an over one million inbred pajeets and niggers added every year!) crammed onto a tiny island; completely trashed the greatest education system in the world (Grammar schools/Russell Group); a sprawling public sector that vastly overpays useless managers instead of those delivering the services (NHS managers, local government and senior 'leadership' in academies all on over £200K per year); absolutely no industrial strategy; no energy security strategy; a people obsessed obsessed nothing other than owning a German car on finance and the value of their shitty little house; and has let world-class manufacturing specialties wither away to nothing. Our only strategy is to import ever more third-worlders in an attempt to keep wages down and minimise the cost of services whilst filling NHS vacancies with niggers who don't actually do any fucking work; whilst simultaneously pumping the property market.

To compound this, we're belligerently snapping at Russia and China, and commiting ourselves to the defence of an EU that is in return trying to bankrupt us and cutting us off from goods and services. Our geopolitical Grand Strategy is 'do whatever the USA wants us to', with absolutely zero thought given to whether we can afford it, whether we have a competent military (we don't), whether we are getting anything in return, and whether we have secured access to energy (we haven't).

As Hitchens says: I have never seen a more doomed country

>>50730751
It is going to collapse. It's actually better if it does sooner rather than later.

>>50731665
so how do they fix it?

>>50731665
this is pretty accurate, we are completely fucked, even more so since Brexit. Don't worry Rishi will turn it around, lol

It’s all very tiresome

>>50731665
That is a pretty accurate description, and I'm a bong myself. If you want some alpha, look into sunak not hedging against rate rises, inlfation is only going to get worse.

>>50731739
Yup, a pajeet pm, just the icing on the cake

this is so very very bad

bongbros, we're completely and utterly fucked.

>>50731711
They don't. There are no serious discussions in this country, no-one engaging on the level necessary to solve any of this.

Understand that the entire nation exists on a mix of resentment, mawkish sentimentality, ineffectual jobsworthiness, and vapid sloganeering with no substance. Some examples: Boris Johnson - he was NOT 'British Donald Trump', since he had absolutely no convictions or plans whatsoever. He spent all of his time in office obsessing over shit like "Will Big Ben Bong for Brexit' and implementing Green policies suggested by his then gf. During the Afghanistan withdrawal, instead of reflecting on two decades of illegal wars, the British public were obsessing over whether we would evacuate some dogs (we did). The largest and most determined protests in my lifetime were against a new football 'Super League' being formed. I served in the RAF when we were losing two wars in the Middle East, and my unit's 'Main Effort' was the Summer Ball. We are obsessed with throwing money at the NHS (which is TERRIBLE), and all the money is just spent on more Diversity Advisors and managers. Etc, etc, etc.

There just isn't the dialogue or the people to resolve the issues we have. It's like the inmates of an asylum being tasked with putting out a fire - they could, if they were sensible, but they're just not. America, for all it's troubles, at least has - far less centralisation of power, such that the rot doesn't set in equally everywhere; natural resources; a population that isn't addicted to a state-owned propaganda department controlled by malicious ethnic nepotists; some independence of thought; some 'elites' who are concerned about the way things are going, and are willing to do drastic, 'unpopular' things to rectify them. Britain doesn't.

>>50730663
Riots in England lads

>>50731955
haha i wish. We brits just lie down and take it. It's the one thing we really need to learn from the French.

>>50731798
good dip on house prices soon tho perhaps?

no way normies can afford these ATH prices with interest rates soaring & energy bills trebling soon.

anyone got an estimate for when best time to buy might be? 6 months, 1 year, 2 years or later?

>>50731665
Are you happy that you ""won"" the world wars?

>>50731739
Funny thing is Brexit has had actually no impact on the situation and if anything has insulated the UK from EU - growth is higher than the EU since 2016 and exports are actually up to the EU - not just in oil and gas as people suggest too. The situation is fucked - but Brexit is not to blame from the figures.

>>50731665
based

>>50731711
>>50731886
The actual solutions now would be something like: Begin fracking and limited coal mining immediately; bring back selective state education (Grammar schools); shut down bottom half of universities, most humanities departments, etc, and implement measures designed to push the young people who do go into productive degrees (STEM, etc); throw most planning regulation out of the window; end immigration; begin a program of mass building nuclear power plants - this would be a British equivalent to the US reaction to Sputnik, investing massively in education of necessary workers, engineers, scientists, etc; mandate aptitude testing as the SOLE means of access to government jobs (IQ, tests, previous performance, etc) with 'diversity' and pandering to women thrown out the window; make it much easier and cheaper to fire shitty workers; gut the Civil Service, Local Authorities, NHS Management, the MoD and senior ranks of the military - AT LEAST two throws of roles eliminated; focus the military on the Navy, and a Grand Strategy that secures our access to trade and resources - leave fucking with Russia on the mainland to Germany and Poland, and fucking with China over Taiwan to USA and Japan; and future defence engagement is done on a 'what's in it for us?' basis; build cheap, nasty Victorian-style prisons, and throw multiple offenders and violent criminals in theor for life; institute draconian punishments for corruption; accept that the NHS has failed, have state intervention where appropriate - negotiating prices of medicine, A&Es, and a continental-style insurance system where it isn't; support critical businesses/industries - e.g. Rolls Royce; lots of other things that I can't type out pithily about encouraging spin-off companies from state research, making it easier to start a business, etc.

>>50732034
No people in the UK know that the great mistake they made in the 20th century was to get involved in shitty continental politics in the first and second war. The first was the most egregious error - killing your empire, country and people, all its history and wealth for fucking Belgium??

>>50732044
>growth is higher than the EU since 2016
EU’s GDP per head has grown by 8.5% since 2016, for us its just 3.8%.

>>50732044
cope, Brexit is detrimental. It hasn't even happened properly yet because they know how fucked it is, ever thought of that?

>>50732078
Yes this would largely fix it but its politically impossible because you would kill ALL the holy cows that socialistic values would not allow - you need a full Meiji restoration - but its not possible because the overton window has shifted so far left that anyone doing it gets crucified by the media and then polls.

>>50732078
write a book / run for PM please mate.

>>50732103
Selected figures - GDP per capita is never used in assessments until its the UK - state that must fail in EU eyes and there you're taking into account shitty 'catch up' countries like Romania etc which obviously grow faster than developed econs and which have therefore a disproportionate impact specifically on GDP per capita as a result (even more so than pure GDP growth) whch is of course why they used that figure...No the UK has managed to grow larger than France, Germany etc since 2016 by a nearly full percent - if the forecast is correct that UK growth would have been -4% lower by now does anyone actually believe that the UK would have grown more than 5% faster than France/Germany in the past 5 years with Covid and uncertainty? Absolutely no chance mate.

>>50732139
>gets proven wrong
>types essay
KEK

>>50732112
Pure cope. Its not detrimental at all - its entirely beneficial - the fact that they can choose which parts of it to apply and when not to is bullish af because it allows a perfectly tailored system of import/export controls (although technically it is contrary to WTO law).

>>50732078
man... Imagine if...

>>50732148
>proves other person wrong
>this is pure cope
kek you idiot

>>50731886
>>50731711
Patriotic Alternative, if you're brit bong get involved

>>50730663
>inflation to 11% before the end of the year
Truflation.com puts UK inflation at 13.77% currently, which means if it were to rise considerably would put us well towards 20% in reality. The criticisms in this thread are all valid, but try and think positive, guys. Britain is leading the way towards 'The Great Reset'. We'll show the rest of the world how to lick the boots of our Globalist overlords, just see if we don't. We've seen all this coming since 2008, anyway. The scamdemic has helped accelerate it. I just hope you all have a fuckton of Chainlink because it's going to be our ticket out of this, I think.

>>50732088
for jews retard.

does that mean I can finally buy a house for 80k

Burger who will be moving to the UK next spring here. I have a great respect for your country (my fiancé is english), and your people have been so kind and welcoming each time I’ve visited.

It’s sad to see the economy is in such a state.

How can I best prepare for this? Stack up the USD? I’ll have enough cash to buy a house but it seems like a terrible time to do so.

>>50732121
No one would listen. And I'm mostly just paraphrasing Peter Hitchens, dialing it up to 11 in a way that he can't without being banned from media appearances, and developing an understanding of just how important access to cheap energy is for a functional economy.
>>50732115
I completely agree. The country will have to collapse first - it's the only way enough people will accept the gravity of the situation. No matter how carefully one explains the consequences of our politics, everyone is operating on such a facile, emotional level that they will never accept it. And that's both the Left and 'Right'.
>>50732034
Of course not. But everything was fucked after the First World War - that was the real tragedy.

>>50732078
You forgot to shoot all illegals and deport all 1st and 2nd generation wogs

>>50731665
I'm a Brit and this is spot on. I'm ashamed; we used to be the greatest country in the world. We gave the world so much. And now look at us.

Let this be an example of what happens when (modern) leftism infiltrates your country utterly, thoroughly, and completely.

The only thing I would add is that this is not just a British phenomenon; it is happening across the Western world to a greater or lesser degree: mass immigration, loss of identity, purpose, and connection to history; feminism, wokeism, rigged and corrupt political system, mainstream (legacy) media is nothing but state propaganda for leftist social policies, complete lack of industry (service economy).

At least communist regimes still care about their own ethnic working class - the Russians call WW2 the "Great Patriotic War" - what we have is worse, further to the left than communism, it's some disgusting far-left dystopia where our kids are brainwashed by trannsexual drag queens to hate their own blood. Speaking of blood, we aren't even allowed to have white ancestors anymore - they twisted the facts to make "Cheddar Man" black skinned. They have literally robbed us of EVERYTHING and still you see absolute fucking idiots talking about how they are so against "racism" and "misogyny" like good little party-adherents. It's over.

One thing I will add is PLEASE don't tarnish all "anglos" with this brush and let it turn into hate of us as a people. This is LEFTISM. They are the enemy. We have been conquered, subjugated, forced into this way of being by powers that are far above our government and powers which wish the same for you and your country.

>>50732295
haha leftism, not jews. fuck off cunt

Its a pretty good hint when any rich enough UK boomer fucks off to another country to retire. Nobody wants to retire here because of grim weather, crime, insane prices and low standard of living.

Where are some good places to flee once Britain goes completely down the toilet?

Quickly bring in more shitskins to pump the numbers!

so if the UK is doomed and I wanted to migrate there soon, what's my alternative? the US is doomed, Europe is doomed, so maybe Canada?

Things didn't have to turn out this way

>>50732403
Canada is even worse, full on globohomo WEF infiltrated government. At least our politicans pretend to not be WEF globalist shills, in Canada they don't even bother with that.

>>50732078
based ideas anon, shame

>>50732403
Fuck off the west is full

>>50732295
The white working class is a myth

bumping this thread. good comments

>>50732294
No need. You could just slash/deny welfare, eliminate the 'diversity' grift (including Quangos and NGOs), and institute a strict meritocracy - that would push the most egregious parasites out. Next up would be uncompromising policing and criminal justice, that would eliminate another chunk. Finally would come the draconian anti-corruption (including, of course, nepotism) measures - that would cut the head from the snake.
>>50732294
>The only thing I would add is that this is not just a British phenomenon
You're right, it isn't. But Britain is uniquely fucked for many reasons (I covered some in this post:>>50731886). There will be no averting disaster for Britain.

>>50732234
this.

>>50732452
How well would killing the poor work? I'm not saying we should do it, but I am interested in seeing if it would work.

>>50732403
Maybe German Argentina haha

>>50732452
>There will be no averting disaster for Britain
I'm not sure where I'd like to live instead? Is anywhere safe from this cancer? Finland, perhaps? It's probably only a matter of time until they too catch up with the mind poison. Most of Europe doesn't look appealing, the US and Canada are looking grim too. How do you think the disaster will play out?

>>50732452
>Britain is uniquely fucked for many reasons
I think some other countries like Sweden are in the same tier of fucked as us too.

>>50732521
Less population density though, as long as swedes avoid the rapefugee city clusters they can live just fine. Still vast swathes of natural swedish countryside.

RULE BRIFANNIA!
BRIFANNIA RULE THE WAVES!

>>50730663
any fellow plan 2 student loan holders here?
>crying in 13.5% student loan interest rates

remember lads, boomers on their death beds getting paracetamol for cancer given to them by their nugubu 65iq nigger nurse, with tea drooling out the sides of their mouths and giving one last salute to a churchill poster with their last ounce of strength and hugging the mixed race grandkids will screech out

aT LEasT wE'rE nOt SPeaKINg GERMANNNNNNNN

>>50732534
Damn their salaries cannot possibly be this low
Especially with the high real estate prices. 36k GBP median in London?
This has to be old data

>>50731665
Australian here. I actually thought I was reading about Aus for a second there. Jesus fuck you guys too. Goddamit we’re not pulling out of this nose dive are we

>>50732295
>we used to be the greatest country in the world. We gave the world so much.
Man Brits are so delusional it's unreal. A failed French colony that spent half its existence trying to take over Europe only to give up and colonize a bunch of spice harvesting savages that they still couldn't govern properly. Thank God for Washington.

>>50732013
house prices won't go down until homeowners start losing their jobs and are unable to repay their mortgage.

atm we have extremely low unemployment, there is a shortage of good workers everywhere, so it is unlikely to happen in the near future. Personally, i'm stacking cash because i'd rather lose ~8% real for certain as no investment looks attractive atm.

>>50732578
its from 2011

>>50731665
you get what you deserve

>>50731665
At least we’re not speaking German

>>50732604
>amerimutt education

>>50730663
I have the solution to all of England's problems, it's one simple fix: abolish the welfare state.
>no more universal credit
>no more housing benefit
>no more national insurance
>no more disability benefit
>no more PIP
>no more child benefits

You want money? go work for it or start up your own business. Simple as

>>50732534
>data unavailable for fulham, chelsea and westminster

very suspicious

>>50732403
I'm going eastern Europe, they still stand up to globohomo atm, and places like croatia have 98% ethnostates still

>>50732715
eugh why is state pension so high?

did boomers not save up their own?

this ponzi sucks

>>50732509
There's no need to kill the poor. You create a fuck-ton of jobs (deregulation, investment, end mass immigration), provide relevant training where necessary - all whilst slashing welfare - and let them decide for themselves.
>>50732519
I think that some Western nations will wake up in time, some will not. In general, I think that the more federated a nation is (i.e. the less centralised the government), the more likely it is that at least PART of the nation remains livable, with an existing alternative political/governmental structure that could provide a base for providing sanity and stability during/after a collapse, etc. Another option is to just be really flexible and employable, and move as and when somewhere wakes up. Maybe learn Spanish (worst case back-up), have an employable STEM degree/trade, liquid assets, etc. The 'stay and fight' mantra is all well and good, but ultimately you can only save a people who want to save themselves. You can always come back and help out if there is eventually a fight-back and you're feeling patriotic, with the benefit that your family are out of harms way, safe from blackmail, etc. Oh, and Denmark is uniquely sensible in West Europe.
>>50732532
This. They also benefit massively from not speaking English as first language, much easier to isolate from American cultural zeitgeist.
>>50732594
Yeah, it's really fucking annoying that EVERY Anglo country is doing this. Why can't we just have one?

>>50732521
>>50732532
Also energy and food self sufficient. But the only places you can really escape the scourge is on the islands and the far north

>>50732715
This would only work if you abolished planning permission and business regulations, at least for small businesses.
However the establishment would NEVER allow this. Which is why the past decade of welfare cuts have done nothing to improve the situation and arguably made things worse.
The state pension ponzi, the worst offender for government welfare spending, also needs to be dismantled but that is impossible with the voting demographics of this country.
Unironically the only way to fix this country is to let it collapse and hope an Oswald Mosley appears out of nowhere and isn't suicided by Eton boys before getting into power

>>50731665
>'do whatever the USA wants us to'
It's jews, anon. USA is just another golem like you.

>>50732693
Nothing against you mate. But it does take special skill to make half the third world hate white people.

>>50732078
the real problem runs much deeper. Your solutions are trivial and most smart, decent people could see them.
the real problem is democracy.
>>50732121
never gonna happen. Politics in its current state is a popularity contest.
lowest common denominator

>>50732778
>Why can't we just have one?

We all know the answer to that. Any pure white nation state is not just a threat to the great merchant, but a symbol of revulsion. They despise us for our ability to create and our natural innate beauty, so they will not stop until they tear everything we have built down, and diluted our bloodline until we are all just one unrecognisable brown mix.

>>50730663
between the massive amount of CCTV/video surveillance, its ridiculous laws around "hate speech" and the legality of guns and knives, the paki/muslim problem, and now this inflation and cost of living crisis -- i cannot imagine a worse dystopia than the UK. crazy to think this was once the "empire on which the sun never sets."

>>50732594
Fuck you Australia is nowhere near as bad as bongland. Our population is no where near such an unmanageable number and we have a much stricter immigration policy. We still tow back the dinghies and shitty boats that poos try to arrive with, and not even Labour will change that policy. Australian elites unironically have a strong interest in keeping the country relatively stable because it's most definitely in the Bug Out Zone if the world ever goes to shit. Just look at our livestock sector and tell me how, despite all the 'zero emissions' bullshit Labour subscribe to, why they haven't tried to severely gimp its own farmers like Canada/Denmark are doing? Cope as much as you like, Australia is still great despite all its flaws.

>>50732833
Even if the European powers never touched more than north america and Australia they'd still hate us out of jealousy.
Also Britain didn't really try to "take over Europe", The closest thing to that was occupying northern France briefly 800 years ago, and that was England solely, not Britain.

>>50732078
oh and you forgot the most important, get rid of NHS and go for some government funded insurance instead, privatize the medical sector itself
only sustainable thing long term

>>50732295
You are absolutely fucking mental if you think this country has been run by leftists
It's not trannies reading books which has fucked us up

>>50732449
amazing are the discussions that are possible when US/Russian/NGO bots and MAGA boomers aren't derailing any talk of politics.

>>50732806
This. Honestly, no-one can 'morally' make the changes needed to save the country anymore. Very few are logical enough to understand why they are necessary, one could never get electoral support from an emotional public because, e.g. cutting pensions is 'unfair' - no matter the consequences of not doing so. The population is too mawkishly sentimental to engage with what needs to happen to avert disaster. And of course, they are utterly under the thrall of a media-political establishment that hates the native British people.

And so, one has to allow it to collapse, which will de facto make the 'mean' choices for us, giving a clean slate from which to rebuild. I have thought that Corbyn may have been 'good' for this reason - he would have run the country into the ground rapidly, avoiding this slow, lingering decline.

The only political action that seems remotely feasible and meaningful at the moment is ending the BBC. That would at least help take the blinkers off as the nation plunges over the cliff.

>>50732887
You can still own guns right, but how much longer will that last?

>>50730663
it's going to get far, far worse for bongs. Hope they elect that woman, it will compound it so much more.

>>50732806

OI MATE AV PAID INTO THE NI SYSTEM ALL ME LIFE I AINT LETTIN YOU TAKE WHAT I'M OWED.

>>50732945
nah we've been no-gunz for a while mate

>>50731973
The French are really the only People left in western Europe that still have European fighting spirit in them. Let's hope they can set off another round of revolutions, the volkisch nationalist this time.

>>50731665
kek every country will be exactly the same its all the bullshit corona spending

>>50732103
>EU’s GDP per head has grown by 8.5% since 2016, for us its just 3.8%.
gdp in what euros? the value of the euro has propped by like 20% over the last few years

>>50733009
I've been in france a few months and it is far, far worse
in fact you will see threads like this for UK exactly because we still have some spirit left. The continent is zombies.

>>50732423
All of the conservatives who are supposed to become pm are part of the wef kek

>>50733046
they have violent protests every week. I can't remember the last time we had one.

>>50732901
Actually, that's in there near the end. Obviously there's much more too, but character limits. Ending the BBC, the 'cultural sector' grift, the DfID grift, and the Quango/NGO complex are other massive priorities too. Other things I would recommend (e.g. Death penalty) are less economic in nature, so left out.
>>50732860
Ofc, but it's still fucking annoying.
>>50732851
Democracy is the problem, yes. And I agree the solutions aren't complicated or esoteric - my exact frustration is that we will not implement them, despite how obvious. In fact, we don't even come close to.discussing them. A second Lord Protector is needed - but there is no-one, no candidate. We currently don't even have a Trump, never mind a Putin, Napoleon, or Cromwell. But perhaps one may emerge in the titanic struggles of our coming collapse?

So what are some places to flee to? Any weird places like Gibraltar (no CGT!)?

>>50733173

there is nowhere to flee. Your only hope is stay where you are, move to another developed country that is going to decline exactly the same way or flee to a 3rd world asian shithole. Make your choice western man.

>>50733046
Unlike us, they have a sympathetic section of the elite - the old money Catholic families. Remember the 'Qui?' meme? Interestingly enough, they dominate the leadership of the French Foreign Legion, and to a lesser extent the entire military. Most Brits don't know that they toppled the government in 1958, and staged a coup in 1961 - only stopped by de Gaulle himself.
>>50733070
Protests across the country over the proposed Super League. Tells you everything you need to know.

>>50733076
Cromwell was a piece of shit
A second King Arthur is needed

>>50732900
We use Brits for Britons in England my man, though I'm specifically referring to their governing class. And yeah tell that to the Scots, the Welsh, the Irish, and the 400 years long claim to all of France until they quietly dropped the lilies off their coat of arms in the 1800s... Their continental ambition were always that of a revived Angevin empire.

Nah those shitholes wouldn't care about us. Every single one of them got the central banking + muh republic treatment that's so dear to protestants, sprinkled with a good dose of post-colonialism rancor.

>>50733244
also this

>>50732931
>Tony Blair is a Tory.
Bong education.

>>50731886
you're completely correct
this country is a joke and i hate it
our politics is embarrassing and they don't even touch on real issues
our economy is just an old boys club and everyone else fights over scraps or is tossed them by the welfare state

>>50733244
The important thing is that he established a precedent for an English dictator. It's one way to establish monarchical rule (in the literal sense, not the royal sense) without LARPing as a foreign culture - Mussolini or the like. I appreciate there are other viable alternatives.

>>50733323
They are neoliberal, left vs right doesn't really matter.
They are left when it comes to anti white policies and right when it comes to profiteering.

>>50733323
>In 2002, Margaret Thatcher was asked for her greatest achievement. She replied: "Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds."

>>50730663
Britain has a fake, financialized economy.
I hope they get what they deserve.
I hope someone hacks the land registry and publishes the name and address of everyone who owns more than one home.

>>50730663
>18% Drop in GDP in real terms imminent
yea i wish

>Sunak, Truss and the Bank of England are LYING TO YOU
what could The Guardian have meant by this?

>>50732403
Housing in Canada is a fucking fortune.

>>50732715
Look at that slice of landlord benefit

>>50732013
no. a slowing or in some areas a slight (10%ish) fall, but no great reset. what you have to understand about property is it is largely based on land, a fixed supply asset. houses aren't really getting more expensive, the currency is devaluing. they won't fall.

>>50733539
Credit is getting more expensive

>>50732188
what percent of brits buy gold? I canada i seriously think it's about 0.5%. Nobody i ever talk to says that they buy even one ounce.

>>50732078
You forgot kill the poor

>>50732295
Mate, what the fuck are you babbling on about? Who do you think has been running this shit show for the past 10+ years?

>>50732557
Why do you give 2 shit about student loan figures? You will never pay it back, only a token amount comes out of your wage packet and it's wrote off after x amount of time. Even if you are a billionaire there 0 incentive to pay it back and you might as well let it sit. It's nothing like the yanks where you're forced to pay it back, even if you're bankrupt, it's an additional but small tax.

>>50732112
>Amass 400 billion in debt in 2 years, literally ww2 levels
>Sell our souls to (((Big Pharma)))
>For a literal meme cold


IT'S BWEXIT'S FAULT

>>50731665
>whether we have a competent military (we don't)
Absolutely clueless, Typical demoralisation post. The UK flat out has the most capable military in Europe, and probably the best industrial complex too, though it jostles for the number one spot with France when it comes to aerospace. You are a total dipshit

>>50733618
Long Night of the Pillow would be way more effective. Pensioners are the worst offenders, turkeys ain't gonna vote for Xmas and no cunt from GenX onwards even bothers to vote at all.

>>50733323

In the last 43 years Labour have held power for 13 of those years. Meaning Tories were in power over twice as much.

>>50733682
>most capable military in Europe
this is now a Best Dressed Man in Albania thread.

>>50733575
got my first ounce today
how much of my savings should be in gold?

>>50732112
Do you ever get fed up of being wrong?

>>50733550
rate hikes aren't keeping up with inflation, so not really.
>>50733724
Open a Tallymoney account.

>>50733724
depends how much faith you have in your currency. I am Canadian and have zero faith in my own currency so i put most of my savings into gold.

>>50733753
The problem with gold is that there is a paper trail and the first thing that will happen when shit really starts to go down hill is asset seizures. Anyone holding gold will be forced to trade it in for increasingly worthless fiat at gunpoint or threat of imprisonment like in 1930s USA. It's not a safe haven. Even if exchanges sing to governments in regards to crypto you can claim lost keys, gtfo out of the country and continue to use your wealth elsewhere.

>>50733828
not in canada. I walk into the shop, ask what they have in stock, and then they show me what they have. I tell them what i want, they test it in front of me, and i pay cash. They dont require ID for bullion purchases.

>>50730663
I live in a cucked europe country and want to move to london so bad bros.. I know it's bad on paper but I love this place even with all the shit that comes with it. How do I cllaim permanent residency there? Can I buy an apartment there?

>>50733861
>buy apartment in London
Oligarchs and their illegitimate offspring only, I'm afraid. Try Yorkshire tho..

>>50733860
Fair enough but there is still a transportation problem in regards to gold. You're not getting that haul on a plane if private ownership is illegal. Canada looks like it will be a full scale Orwellian nightmare within the decade so having a plan to get that lot out of the country if you need to might be prudent.

>>50733939
i'll deal with that in the future. I picture my country burning, media talking about how the final communist revolution is happening, and i'm getting onto a speedboat with a duffel bag full of gold bars and then i escape into the sunset as everything explodes in firy fury behind me.

>>50733861
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations
Care homes are desperate for staff and they require virtually no experience or existing qualifications. as long as you have a clean criminal record and can speak English, care homes will sponsor you from your country.
London is somewhat expensive but you can get by in a flat/house share.
You can get indefinite leave to remain after 5 years which is one step below citizenship.

>>50733939
seriously though. I'd rather have gold than no gold because once we go through currency crisis if my wealth isn't preserved it will be infinately harder to leave and restart my life somewhere else. Imagine being a venezuelan trying to leave the country when the average person makes 5USD a month when they could have been smart and saved money in gold when their country was functioning. Before VZLA collapsed average people on average salaries could buy gold coins and doing so would have made life WAY easier for venezuelans after the collapse.

>>50731886
>America, for all it's troubles, at least has - far less centralisation of power, such that the rot doesn't set in equally everywhere; natural resources; a population that isn't addicted to a state-owned propaganda department controlled by malicious ethnic nepotists; some independence of thought; some 'elites' who are concerned about the way things are going, and are willing to do drastic, 'unpopular' things to rectify them
Does it?

>>50733682
Where's the replacement for Warrior? How many CR2 are we capable of putting in the field? How out of date is CR2 main armament? How useful is Ajax in an actual recce role? How much artillery do we have? How does that compare to Russia, or even Poland? Where are the F35s for the carriers? Where are the destroyer and frigate escorts for the carriers? Why is every infantry bn undermanned? Are light infantry useful in a European land war? Where is our Land EW capability? How much ammunition do we have? How would we generate reserves in the event of a peer conflict? What would we equip them with? How many HETs and LETs do we have? Enough to move an armoured brigade? How long would it take us to constitute an armd div? Years? Have we pivoted our armed forces culture to one that accepts and tolerates mass casualties? How is recruitment? Are we recruiting capable people? What happened to STRIKE? How many cruise missiles do we have? How many UAVs do we have? What's our airborne EW capability like? How much training at formation-level does our military do? What's our strategic infrastructure like? What about our manufacturing base?

What are our strategic priorities? What's our military culture like? What is the 'leadership' prioritising right now? Whqt are they training for? How often, how effectively? What do the Americans think of us? After Basra? Which wars have we won recently? How good are we at procurement? Have we attempted to improve?

Fuck off with your retarded jingoism. You are exactly the same sort of small-minded cretin as those that think the NHS is the 'best in the world'.

>>50733699
how much of a newfag are you... we are run by zionists and corporations retard

>>50733752
salary raises also don't keep up with inflation

>>50734086
Yes.

>>50731886
don't forget the weekly thursday rNHS clap during covid times in 2020. What a defeated country this is.

>>50732973
>that woman
>doesn't know her name yet is able to offer balanced insight into what her election will mean
okay mate

>>50732078
>Begin fracking and limited coal mining immediately
Lol

>shut down bottom half of universities, most humanities departments, etc, and implement measures designed to push the young people who do go into productive degrees
This would just drop STEM wages through the floor (we're already low paid compared to Murica) without serious investment in producing new tech companies.

>throw most planning regulation out of the window
Planning regulation as in what, stopping me from building a new conservatory?

>end immigration
Fine but you need to do something else about the collapsing pension system.

>mass building nuclear power plants
Good idea but takes 20 years to come to fruition, plus you already said we have no natural resources

>focus the military on the Navy, and a Grand Strategy that secures our access to trade and resources - leave fucking with Russia on the mainland to Germany and Poland, and fucking with China over Taiwan to USA and Japan; and future defence engagement is done on a 'what's in it for us?' basis
We have obligations as a member of NATO

>accept that the NHS has failed, have state intervention where appropriate
Meaning means-tested free healthcare?

>>50733539
honestly i'd take a dip just back to 2020 levels, somewhat reasonable prices then at least.

>>50733828
Buy sovereigns. Gold coins count as currency, and are not subject to capital gains tax. Even if you were threatened, you could say you spent them.

>>50734246
shut up and clap goy

>>50734184
CLAP FOR THE NHS M8

>>50734291
>Planning regulation as in what, stopping me from building a new conservatory?
https://scotframe.co.uk/selfbuild/homes-portfolio/homes-portfolio-bungalows/
The housing crisis wouldn't exist if we could just build on our own land. Houses are cheap, it's land that you're allowed to build on that's expensive. Compare the price of agricultural zoned land to buildable land.
This is also made worse that it's very difficult legally to build sky scrapers in this country, which is exactly what a tiny island of high population density needs.
>plus you already said we have no natural resources
Uranium can be collected from the ocean like South Korea is doing.
>We have obligations as a member of NATO
We are going above and beyond our obligations when we shouldn't.

>>50734291
The incumbent system cannot and will not do what is required to make things better for future generations. The pain people will have to swallow to sort the mess the boomers have left behind is unthinkable for most. The status quo benefits those at the top for as long as the system can stay afloat and the moral relativism they practice allows them to think the destruction and pain of the lives of the working and lower classes is a price worth paying and is a good thing for them and their offspring. Everyone is an island this day and age. There is no sense of country, there is no unified people, there isn't even 1 race for god sake. No one with power is going to stomach pain or inconvenience for their fellow man because we are not their fellow man. We are viewed as cattle at best, to be exploited for their gain and we just happen to inhabit the same land as them; that's as far as the connection goes.

Until there is a civil war nothing will change, things will only get progressively worse over time and the can will be kicked down the road while those at the top are able to ride off into the sunset with taking the wealth of the country with them. Expect decades of pain and it's more likely we see something akin to 1984 or modern china play out; a complete police surveillance state where if you even think of stepping out of line you're in a camp to protect the interest of your overlords.

>>50732295
back to /pol/

>>50733665
maybe if you're a low-tier wagie you'll never pay it back. I currently make 50k pa and that number will continue to go up, so I am effectively paying a 10+% loan right now.

>>50734265
Liz Truss yeah sorry bong since you left the EU nobody really talks about you anymore. Besides her name means so little and I don't know enough of the jews in control of your shithole to address the real power brokers.

>>50734769
50k PA is almost unheard of where I live, even accountants and lawyers are barley touching that. What are you doing?

>>50732044
Exports to the EU have plummeted you retard

>>50730663
Inflation is transitory!
Inflation is transitory!
Inflation is transitory!

>>50734857
And even at 50k PA you'll be paying like 2k a year. <5% yearly and if you ever decide to quit the repayments stop.. really not worth paying off a lump sum when you can just buy assets that will outpace the 2k yearly loss in earnings.

>>50731955
Not riots, but a general strike looks likely. Leadership in Unite and Momentum have agreed to coordinated action together

>>50734857
>>50734928
I work as an actuarial analyst for a reinsurance company in london. Once I qualify I'll be on 100k base minimum (see pic related, recruiter posting).

I'd have to buy assets that would guarantee a higher return than the student loan payment, I'd love to see risk-free 12% returns.

ATM I'm saving for a deposit in london, then going to aggressively pay down my student loans + mortgage.

Looks like me and the lads will be robbing the stately homes and gated estates this winter
Survival of the fittest, eat the meek

>>50730663

Inflation is transitory!
Inflation is transitory!
Inflation is transitory!

>>50732716
which you will contaminate with your adopted nigger ways. Leave those people alone, fight your battles at home, that goes for all of us.

Oh, remember to save your used beer bottles, old shirts and don't forget to stock up with a few Jerry cans of petrol boys
You could even decorate the bottles with your dremel, horizontal or vertical lines are smashing

>>50733979
imagine blatantly recruiting more low paid invaders in this thread. Post nose.

>13% inflation
>15% by 2023
How are you not fucking incensed by this? You’re money isn’t even going to be inefficiently used, it’s just fucking becoming worthless due to government policy. Fuck this gay country (Sunak would arrest you for this kek). Hope the unions break everything.

>>50734994
Why would you 'aggressively pay off' debt when inflation is higher than the repayment interest? That's bad business sense.

>>50734961
you can just see how your jews with their sense of drama are setting up an arc for Truss as a new iron lady to show those striking garbage men. The worst part is the whole country will probably fall for it again.

>>50731798
>faisal islam

>>50735113
UK student loans are RPI + 3%, so will be 12% from september

>>50735138
Support for the unions is a majority position with the current conditions, I can’t imagine she will break them. They may be socialists but there is no other group who can challenge the establishment and win.

>>50734994
Sounds good but you are pretty much fucking yourself over if your personal circumstances change (like you cannot stand living in the cesspit that is London), if you ever lose your job and cannot almost immediately find a new one that pays the same or if there is ever a debt restructure in our lives, which there is a very high chance given the general level of indebtedness and the state of the underlying economy. You're also betting on the value of fiat remaining near constant against assets for the coming years by doing so which is counter to what most believe is going to happen and what has been happening for the past 14 years. Just buy BTC or even US index funds and those will out perform you repaying off your loan beyond the bare minimum which is automatically garnished from your wages (which is 6% PA @ 100k per year btw, not 12%).

>>50735177
only plan 2 right?

believe plan 1 loans are based af

>escort prices on go-to site have gone up by £50
its over

>>50735177
The amount you pay back is capped based on wage. 100k a year = 6k MAXIMUM repayment outside of voluntary payments. If you pay it back instead of investing the money you're making a pretty piss poor move as that is money lost instead of holding an asset which student loans are not taken from (capital gains are ignored in student loan repayments). The debt against your name is irrelevant as the amount you have to pay to service it will remain constant based on wage level. Even if you have a million in student loans, if you only earn 100k you will only ever pay back 6k per year. You would never pay back that million, even if you had 1mm in cash you only need to make back that 6k PA off that 1mm to break even vs repaying it.

>>50735191
you can bet on the uk collapsing, the boomers will ride it all the way down, refusing to compromise. Guaranteed.

>>50735333
Yup. It's past the point of no return here. Unlike the US we have no real economy to fall back on which is going to make it all the more spicy.

>>50734246
It hurts
>>50734291
>Lol
Some argument. Fracking was done in this country until gov stopped it, and can be spun up very quickly.

The overall idea is to go absolutely wild on any current energy resources, and use that surplus to facilitate the transition to nuclear. That would include using coal again. Obviously coal mines and plants can be spun up much more quickly and cheaply than nuclear, as you rightly pointed out. Same with fracking. Nuclear is the long-term solution.
>This would just drop STEM wages through the floor (we're already low paid compared to Murica) without serious investment in producing new tech companies.
Sure. So we invest in tech companies (DARPA-style spin-offs via ARIA, Imperial College, etc). We also employ a lot of them in overhauling our infrastructure (nuclear build program). Many are just plain needed (doctor shortage, IT shortage).
>Planning regulation as in what, stopping me from building a new conservatory?
Other anon covered this. Also business regs, etc. Obviously there's a huge amount of detail in there, but the potential exists.
>Fine but you need to do something else about the collapsing pension system.
Yes, this is hard. I've mentioned the absence of a 'moral' solution elsewhere in the thread. Tidiest solution seems to be to run inflation (which we're doing, lol), but WITHOUT the triple-lock. Also taxes on richer boomers - second homes, etc. ALSO, something along the lines of pensions only paid out to people living in the country - perhaps even punitive measures cancelling pensions of politicians, judges, NHS managers, Marxist academics, etc who got us into this mess if we had a particularly vigorous government (obviously you wouldn't fuck with ex military enlisted, ex police below leadership levels, etc). Our version of the Great Purge would just be sacking the architects of this mess and cancelling their pensions. Fuck them.

>>50735281
how much are they now, £75? kek

>>50735065
>a few Jerry cans of petrol
u millionaire bro?
no one paying them prices just to chuck it away.
not sure I'd want to be working in a BP office tho, when morale don't start improving shortly. Theres profiteering, and then theres taking the piss altogether.

>>50731665
The uk has resources especially in the north sea, should be energy self sufficient but the left tossers have held us back. This country is a bin though. Brexit is a fucking shambles, the politicians are bunch of spineless cunts. If ww3 happens not many english people will be rushing to fight for this shit

>>50735281
street corners will be taking up the slack at the lower ends of the market shortly. Every street corner.

>>50731665
>As Hitchens says: I have never seen a more doomed country
Stopped reading there. Come and see India

>>50735592
>the left tossers have held us back
implying BP ever gave a flying fuck about 'leftists' or anyone else. Abandoning North Sea fields was a purely profit-led decision - they'll be opening them back up again shortly.

>>50734291
>plus you already said we have no natural resources
We can still trade, you know. I'm not calling for autarky. Plus, Grand Strategy is useful here - trade off with countries that can give us what we need, e.g. we contribute to Australian defence in return for materials trade, neo-colonialism in African states that have what we need, make deals with the Saudis in return for oil, etc. Obviously this is massively complex, but the possibility for a return to realpolitik, not moral gestures, is there.
>We have obligations as a member of NATO
This is the same tier as saying 'ECHR said we can't deport migrants', or 'we promised UN to stop fracking'. Our actual commitment to NATO is effectively nothing (doctrinally, we guard Northern flank with Norway and Netherlands). Also, youre conflating NATO with eveything else we do that isn't actually a NATO commitment - see how other NATO, such as Spain have done fuck all for Ukraine. Even Germany (for whom it's far closer to home) has done much less. We stupidly give far more than others, whilst receiving nothing in return (actually, they're actively fucking with us). Plus, we could still 'contribute' by offering a competent navy in the North Atlantic - dying on the North European plain is for the Germans and Poles, should they wish to.
>Meaning means-tested free healthcare?
European-style semi-insurance model. Also accepting there's a limitation on what can be economically provided - it's just a fact. No other nation uses the NHS model for a reason.

>>50735592
>If ww3 happens not many english people will be rushing to fight for this shit
hah yeah - I know you don't have a home or a future and you work all hours for nothing, but please protect your homeland!

>>50731955
Luckily we have plenty of coloured's for that

>>50730663
99% of this population would rather consumer trash entertainment than concern themselves with politics
politics is too boring for them, their attention spans are destroyed, they've let crooks take the wheel and will always, consistently, wonder how they are always in a mess

every time I try to mention anything to do with politics, people disengage and try to change the topic to loveisland, gogglebox or some other shite on netflix
all while they take on substantial debt by buying houses too big for them, cars too new for them and everything else in between while I live completely debt free
the mass public can't be saved, their brains are fucked

>>50735592
Completely agree. Ultimately though, I think the politicians are just a reflection of (the majority of) the people. A people get the politics they deserve. And so, people who only care about property prices, mgubu signing for Souf FC, and a German car on finance get Anthony Blair Cameron, Boris, and Sunak.

Would be fascinating to see what would happen if we do try and escalate against Russia. I think English people *would* go along with it, what with Putin being the reincarnation of Hitler and all.
>>50735635
Doesn't India just chug along doing it's own thing? Is it really in decline? Honestly, I know very little about modern India beyond the clashes with Pakistan and China.

>>50732103
That's a abit skewed, half the eu is fucked. The countries holding it together are not doing much different to the uk with their stupid policies hellbent on becoming 3rd world

>>50732078
Solid plan

>>50730663
at least we're not speaking german nigel

>>50735592
>If ww3 happens not many english people will be rushing to fight for this shit
why the fuck would they? why would anyone want to defend this rats nest?
nobody is going to be invading us directly and current leaders could hardly be worse at advaning the interests of britain
seriously we have fallen from one if if not then the world leader to a ridiculous european sideshow where the dominant issue in politics is politicians' petty personal bullshit surrounding ridiculous retarded lockdowns within a singular (quite long) lifetime
i would like few things more than to see westminister burn and every politician strung up by the ungrateful swine they have either imported or cultivated

>>50732378
The uk passport is trash. After leaving the eu you can only leave with a decent job or retirement wealth. Theres no where i know that the english can go to easily. At least it keeps the lower classes here

>>50734769
Would you have been in the position to make that kind of money without going to uni/taking on the loan?

>>50736015
the british lower classes have no desire to go anywhere they are backwards unaspirational lumpen and they have been encouraged to turn into this
the uk passport isn't amazing but it does have some advantages in the commonwealth and you still enjoy visa waivers or immigration preference
most people here are only interested in going to disgusting colonies like benidorm for two weeks out of the year anyway

>>50735177
They have capped the plan 2 interest rate at 7.3%

>>50735299
Source? I was under the impression on plan 2 there was no upper limit on repayments, and it was a flat 9% on any earnings above ~£27k

>>50735757
Im self employed i work when i want. I live in a fairly decent area. Fuck this country, fighting for aload of leftist crap isn't my plan for the future. 50 years of people voting for bs isn't going to change in the future. Brits get what they deserve. The intelligent will find away out

>>50731665
our economy will be fine, our main export (seethe) is doing better than ever thanks to the efforts of gentlemen such as yourself

>>50736220
he means the same thing you do, just using the word cap

>>50732295
truth

>>50736447
You're right, his wording threw me off

>>50736391
this conceited smugness is a cancer on the uk and europeans do it too
our economy is shit
not greece or spain tier shit but undoubtedly shit - it has gone basically nowhere in decades
the small industries where there are good careers are closed circles and for everyone else £70k is a career pinnacle salary oh and you can enjoy paying a third of that in taxes

>>50736391
This comment is actually a great illustration of why, fundamentally, Britain is more fucked than anywhere else. Even more so than America, the very epicentre of all the bullshit afflicted the Western world.

You can tell that I'm frustrated about the state of the country - I obviously care enough to have typed out that whole screed. I also have clearly given it some thought - that doesn't make me correct, but I relate my points to events, figures, and institutions, and do so throughout the thread.

And what's your response? Not to ignore me, or argue back against me, or explore my ideas in case they have any validity. No - your response is to try and humiliate me into shutting up. It's that very British 'too aloof and knowing to care' attitude. It's the self-policing attitude of the serf. Reinforcing the status quo of your masters. You might think you're merely being ironic, but you're not. You're just carrying out your dhimmi programming. Like the population in the 80s sneering at coal miners, or in the 00s sneering at the Bradford race riots, or the 20s sneering at the lockdown protestors. And you'll be sneering all the way into this country's grave, you fucking cunt.

>>50736636
seethe

>>50736636
great post

>>50735177
>student loans will be 12% from September
Inflation is 13.77% now and rising
source: https://app.truflation.com

>>50735333
everyone must lay their lives down before the selfish boomers

>>50736826
fantastic, I hope GBP/USD is 1000 and boomers are licking the floor for sustenance.

>>50732403
Nowhere in the West is good. Maybe Asia could work if you can stomach rarely seeing other White people (assuming you're White).

>>50731665
just to be a good sport about dunking on you, I read your screed
>a people obsessed obsessed nothing other than owning a German car on finance and the value of their shitty little house;
are you seething about not being able to afford a deano box? relax lad. learn a trade and find yourself a nice quiet place in wolverhampton or something tending your own allotment

>>50735592
Things they would have to offer to get me to fight in the war
>guaranteed pussy on base
>all trannys and queers get sent to Afghanistan
>all wogs deported
>immunity from any prosecution for war crimes
>end to this gay hearts and minds shit
I would invade China (to defend Japan) if I'm not forced to be nice to the locals. I want to come home with 3 human skulls and a pocketful of jewelery.

>>50736974
For someone who likes to say 'seethe' to others a lot, it does seem you've been hoisted by your own petard somewhat

>>50731665
Nice work anon. A succinct and powerful encapsulation of an ailing nation.

>>50731665
ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Britain will return to where it started: an island nation so tiny and devoid of natural resources that it had to colonize half the world and suck their lifeblood in order to prosper. Now that the bongs don't have the stomach for invading and stealing from blacks and browns, they will return to being a pathetic island that has to import everything and can't produce anything.

>>50732403
Canada is extra doomed my man.

>>50737332
WE WUZ EMPIRES n SHEEIT

it's actually like being in a blue brit/pol/

>>50737833
Checked, it's like the good old days before the glowies and tripfags ruined it for everybody.

>>50736533
Well said. Comfortable with decline and eventual catastrophe, as long as they can sneer at others.
>>50736766
>>50737159
Thanks anons

>>50737332
kys nigger, your probably living on gibs in brownoid infested area flat.

>>50736636
Based

>>50736636
Never have I seen someone BTFO someone so brutally.
>>50736695
You are the living incarnation of a mongloid.

>>50732078
This is almost equivalent to what needs to be done in the US but again its morally impossible. We're being strangled by the moral consensus of WW2 and the 1960s.

>>50736636
Absolutely based

>>50732275
It's not a terrible time to buy a house. Our housing market is so fucked that not even this will crash prices, honestly. We have 300k+ net migration a year and only build 200k houses. So the demand won't fall anytime soon.
As a cash buyer you won't lose money at least. I would say your greater risk is getting a job here. Our wages are absolutely TERRIBLE and the government takes almost half of it in tax anyway. If you can find some way to preserve your US income stream you will live like a king.

>>50736636
The amount of passion and eloquence in this rebuttal makes it one of the best posts I have seen on this website in a decade.

>>50739775
demand isn't enough, it's about how loose credit is, and that's tighter.
the BoE raising 50bps today is the start of the fall and they know it, given they had to be brought kicking and screaming into a rate rise.

>>50732275
stay in USD and if you can get paid in USD, though that may have tax implications.
GBP is going in the shitter. Further in the shitter.

>>50736636
based

>>50740028
If you say so m8, I wouldn't risk it. Every downturn in the last 20+ years they've been saying will bring house prices down and it hasn't happened yet. I bought mine anyway just for peace of mind, wouldn't be able to stand another second of paying my landlord's mortgage while property value outpaces wages.

DOES THIS MEAN HOUSE PRICES GOING DOWN ????????????????????????????????

>>50740109
It's all about what the Fed does, they set the rates, the BoE have to follow, like it or not.
So if the Fed does their fucking job (not 100% likely), the BoE are fucked.

>>50732112
brexits based we can now import stuff from japan without customs holding the packages hostage for 2 weeks

>>50740185
I think JPY is the only currency falling faster than GBP so you are in luck.

>>50740297
stuff i buy from theres already dirt cheap anyway its cheaper to pay big shipping prices to buy stuff from there than to buy on ebay or something kek, parcels also come quite fast now also because of no customs holdups ive had stuff arrive faster than ebay mongrels. been a bit fucked since the ukraine shit started though since japan psot stopped doing airmail so you have to use more expensive services

>>50740185
>brexit
Let's try an analogy here. An overconfident but underskilled bitcoin trader leaves the worlds largest whale group to "go it alone". Then becomes brain damaged. Then starts drinking whilst trading. Does this end well?

>>50740486
What Japanese sites do you buy stuff from?

>>50740542
It might considering he was the biggest whale in the ocean before his Nan started selling his BTC at below market rate.

>>50740542
nakadashi-miseinen.jp

>>50740565
I use buyee its a proxy service for a few sites they do mercari, amazon jp and yahoo auctions. I mainly use yahoo auctions. I've heard sendico is good too but never tried them, some youtuber was shilling them so i might in the future

>>50740542
its not like the eu is doing well tho the euro has like like 15% of its value over the last year

>>50740591
Hubris.

>>50740658
>https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/GBPUSD/

>>50740696
still less than the euro

>>50740893
You can talk to some people about brexit, and they get a wistful smile and and a faraway look, like they're seeing those 'sunlit uplands'. It's a powerful thing. For a moment, they forget that everything's going to shit around them.

>>50741241
Please go back to your natural home in the Guardian's comment section

>>50741592
And miss your scintillating rejoinders?

>>50741645
Would you rather I call you a cockwombling wankpuffin instead? Seems more your level

>The thing is about BONKERS BORIS and his BUMBLING BREXIT is that they never were going to give £300m to the NHS after all! What a COLOSSAL COCKUP!

>>50732295

......or we used to be a great manufacturing nation and it turns out that pajeets and ricers can do it faster for cheaper

that's it, that's all there is to "muh great fall"

USA took over because they had colossal resources and double to triple the population by the mid-20th century, this coupled with dodging any structural damage from the world wars and massive DOD spending into IT meant that Silicon Valley established early hegemony over computing, which tells the rest of the story

BUT MUH TRANNIES

>>50741685
You are so cringe I am *nearly* moved to sympathy. I wondered what sort of an imbecile might stick to their ""side"" even while it's about to get represented by Liz-fucking-Truss. I guess now I know.

>>50741812
52 times Liz Truss was a cockwomble

>>50736636

the false knowing grandeur of your cringe posts cannot go unaddressed

if you actually had half a fucking clue, you'd realise that all the future is about now is AI. British Industry, cultural values, it all comes second to a completely global phenomenon that is extremely powerful, transformative and unstoppable. The "state of the country" is irrelevant.

We're now an island amongst a large village of other bigger islands and what happens next won't really have any relation to anything that has happened in the past.

>>50732887
Come here then, father.
God knows we could use some good blood that isn't Indian or Vietnamese.

>>50732295
We've had ten years of clueless Conversvative goverments running the country. Its nothing to do with left/right wing politics, its the fact that our 'political class' is fucking useless.

>>50741685
Boris Johnson total cockup?

>>50733539

>>50741685
>every guardian comment ever
bravo

Should I use my bennies to buy gold and weather this storm lads?

Also from which company?

>>50732275
welcome, but I worry that you sound a bit naive to our scum. Stay away from normal areas, there are lots of ethnics who will attack an american accent.

>>50736636
I actually agreed with you at the start of the thread, and even made this post, (>>50732295), but I have to say you have exposed yourself for what you are.

It was Spengler who said that "Optimism is cowardice". I have to say he is partly correct, but ultimately, the quote should be "Pessimism is cowardice". The black pill mindset both insulates one from attacks and allows you to implicate others of being "cowardly optimists" and you are unique in "seeing the cold hard truth", when really the doomer mindset is simply weakness, and, ultimately, an abdication of responsibility. It is the true cowards way out.

You clearly have an agenda to paint the UK is somehow worse than everywhere else on the planet, and any attempt to temper such pessimism is ironically met with your own "very British 'too aloof and knowing to care' attitude" and an eye-roll. Projection at its finest.

On the one hand you accuse others of being "cowardly optimists" (failing to acknowledge that Britain is somehow uniquely doomed above all other nations) through your words; but then, if they accept passive contempt instead, you shame them for "sneering" from the sidelines and not doing enough.

A truly spectacularly asinine post and the fact that people are falling for it just shows how easy it is to fool people with emotional arguments that lack substance and fall apart under scrutiny.

>>50732452
Agree with everything, but a shortcut to this is to outlaw and eradicate freemasonry.
Strange how nobody ever suggests that publicly, no matter where they are on the political spectrum. In Sherlock terms, it's a case of the dog that didn't bark.

>>50733250
That's a long winded way of writing jews

>>50742719
chards

>>50742719
>>50743198
Make sure you buy Royal Mint stuff because they are except from all taxes.

bump

Your man Rees-Mogg is correct, the Sovereign Individual will replace nation states-- it's been happening for 40 years. Now it will accelerate.

>>50742810
I'm sorry you feel that way - I enjoyed reading your other comment, it was insightful.

I do feel that you're arguing with a strawman. At no point have I used the phrase 'cowardly optimist' in this thread (ctrl+k it). Nor is that what I am attacking. I am attacking the smugly conceited mindset that seeks to humiliate anyone who challenges the status quo. As if it's embarassing to actually care. There's a reason that the USA has MAGA, and we have to settle for 'levelling up'. Of course that attitude does exist elsewhere in the world - but it is very, very prevalent in the UK.

Other strawman points:
Worst country on the planet - no, not yet. I said it was the most doomed, i.e. headed for the greatest relative decline.
Aloof - I literally describe myself as 'frustrated'. I also made multiple posts suggesting tangible changes that could rectify this nation. That isn't aloof.
Blackpilled - it's more complicated than that. I see a set of feasible actions that could save the nation. I also acknowledge the the majority of people are not prepared to accept the necessity for them. I attribute part of this inability to accept them to (contemporary) British culture and attitudes. I attribute another to the absence of any form of elite willing to even begin to challenge them, and minimal.conditions for such an elite to arise (suchnas the lack of a federated power structure). I therefore think that nothing short of catastrophe will wake Britain up, and set the conditions for meaningful change.
Not doing enough - yes, but rightfully so. I highlighted three times when, if more people were willing to stand up, perhaps the course of this nation could have been righted somewhat. I was at the lockdown protests. And I do think that sneering from the sidelines is deeply shameful.

Continuing the theme of projection - I would suggest that you are guilty of it yourself. Your arguments are deeply emotional and spectacularly asinine.

>>50735592
>Brexit is a fucking shambles
You mean Westminster which is still full of pro EU figures is too pussyfied to make the UK great. We need a mass sacking of the state, it's full of people who are shit at their job, or hate this country being successful.