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it's changing. people just buy whatever is cheap. solar and wind are too expensive and unreliable, we need baseload power so that leaves hydro and nuclear. hydro isn't an option in all areas so nuclear it is. simple as.

>why are boomers so anti-nuclear?
Are you seriously asking this? Boomers spent their youth protesting for nuclear disarmament. It triggers an emotional response.

>>50356433
because meltdowns are a thing.

>>50356433
Because Jews told them that nuclear is bad. Jews want a consumption society, nuclear is mostly just one time high setup cost but after the one time high cost is very cheap whereas with fossil fuels and (((green energy))) they can milk us for more value over a long period of time.

>>50356527
safer than coal and the new reactors, if we're allowed to develop them, are much safer. shit some of the latest designs shut down with no humans or power represent, they don't even need emergency generators

>>50356433
you do know nuclear is about 4-6 times more expensive than wind or solar, right?
Even the chinks gave up on it.

>>50356594
represent=present*

>>50356595
wind and solar aren't baseload energy, new reactors are cheaper and will get increasingly less expensive, and the land requirements for wind and solar are ridiculous..not to mention the short lifespan of wind

>>50356616
>ITT: nuclear shill discusses the problematic of Used Turbine waste storage

>>50356595
What? The chinks are still building their own reactors with Russian and French help, and they are going to test an entirely Chinese design in Argentina.

>>50356433
Chernobyl exploded when I was 8 people remember that shit.

>>50356664
yes, Chink exports are famous for their build quality and problem-free reliable operation. Lucky Argentina.

>>50356433
>boomers
The biggest >muh environment whiners of all out there are Zoom-Zoom-Zombies like Greta that just parrot everything the media tells them.

>>50356433
Nuclear is a meme
The costs are already greater than renewables
The cost of disposal alone dwarfs other energy generation options

You guys fell for a meme shilled by nuclear reactor makers

If nuclear was worth it the market would use it

>>50356835
>t. retard with no idea what hes talking about

>>50356508
Nuclear fags are seething since the 1960’s

>But GE says nuclear is cheaper
Idiots on this board

>>50356858
he’s right though
you idiots never factor in storage costs and regulatory red tape which is the most expensive part
you idiots never give up this shit but no one ever builds new nuclear plants

>>50356858
hes actually bang on.
nuclear is complicated, slow and tiresome to build, horribly expensive and is extremely problematic afterwards, not to mention positively fucking catastrophic when it goes wrong before then. Nuclear has this PR image as clean, efficient and cheap. It is literally none of these. It more or less qualifies as 100% scam, by anyones definition.

>>50356433
>bros why don’t we use 1950’s technology
I can’t imagine being as stupid as the nuclear idiots

>>50356433
Not business and finance related topic

>>50356664
>test an entirely Chinese design in Argentina
I know where I don't want to go. Go luck to them...

>Renewables
Please explain how you want to store enough renewable output to get you through winter. This is it. This is the whole problem about them. Unless you have a workable solution for that, they aren't ready for prime time yet. You could literally build your alternative energy at zero cost and it would still help you fuck all if you can't store its output. Please. Storage. How to store it. This is the problem with them. You can't store it. >muh hydrogen economy >muh lithium, doesn't work yet, too expensive, not enough available anyway, Please, the storage, Sir. Please explain the storage, good Sir, The winter, think of the winter and the storage. How to store them. Good morning. Good evening. Good Sir, THE STORAGE.

>>50356981
>YOU CANT USE NUCLEAR!!! SOME RUSSIAN RETARDS DIED BECAUSE OF IT SO YOU JUST CANT!!!

>>50357018
yes, energy production costs are completely unrelated to global business and finance.

>>50356720
>Nuclear is too expensive
>Nuclear is cheap chink shit
This is what happens when you take an irrational position based on emotion like an NPC, you contradict yourself and look like a retard

>>50357059
Where the fuck do you live?
My solar panels produce extra energy in the winter
I literally make money on them
You’re a retard

>>50356835
>>50356910
>>50356962
What's with all these anti-nuke NPCs?

How about this, can you idiots actually tell me how and where spent fuel rods are stored? I guarantee you that if you don't look it up first you're going to be wrong

nuclear fags on suicide watch for the last 50 years

>>50357101
I’m glad the taxpayer was able to subsidize your upper middle class lifestyle but you can’t have base load power reliant on 40-90% production swings due to weather.

>>50357123
In the ground
They still have to pay millions to build and dispose plus all the politicians they have to bribe
How stupid is someone who asks questions on a fiat milking board

>>50357082
The arse in fp is trying to claim
>solar and wind are too expensive and unreliable
when in fact nuclear generation costs are FUCKING MULTIPLES THEREOF, and thats without 'ooops' cleanup costs.
Then, that got switched too:
>b-but, the reactors are getting cheaper..
and as a few people have now pointed out, 'All New, All Chinese Design Nukleer Plant, Now Cheep' - thank fuck they're testing it somewhere middle of the fucking South Atlantic.

>>50356433
Nuclear is about bribing politicians
Everyone supporting nuclear is increasing their politician’s campaign funding
Fucking cucks

>>50356433
>but I trust govt and monopolies to be my daddy
fuck off nuclear fags
im not paying political bribes so energy companies get more profit

>>50356433
Fukishima, Three mile island, Chernobyl all of these come to mind and about a dozen others that didnt pan out but could have gone much much worse. The fact is, we're very irresponsible and if nuclear power was seriously considered, we would need to put serious research and development into building in as many fail safes as possible and it would need to be inspected and there would need to be some kind of guarantee that it will be safe. The issue is that its hard to trust anyone with that kind of power, the ability to generate that much radioactivity just through being irresponsible.

>>50356962
This dude gets it
NPC’s are freaking out because they think the govt cares about our safety and hates nuclear
They only care about money and would put a nuclear plant in every city if it was worth it
Politicians and companies hate you and your neighborhood
Nuclear is just too expensive for them to use anymore

>>50356668
That was literally the Soviet Union.
>>50356740
Try actually talking to younger people. Most of them recognize the need to shift away from fossil fuels and plenty of them see nuclear as that solution. Boomers are the ones who stonewall nuclear power.
>muh meltdowns
Have never seriously happened in real countries and let's just ignore all the similar accidents in other areas.

>>50357278
Three Mile Island released around 3k bananas worth of radiation to like 5 people.

>>50356433
fuck nuclear and fuck politicians

>>50357101
it's not about the goddamn Fisher-Price-Solar-Panelinos on some random anon's roof, it's about the nationwide generation of enough energy to *reliably* power an entire country's economy (industry, transportation, the whole shebang) even throughout the darkest of winters without it standing still when the sun doesn't happen to shine for a week. That's what the whole debate should be about. If you ever travel by train though Germany you'd see that they have absolutely PLASTERED their entire landscape with paneled houses and wind turbines and still in the winter (December last year was an example) all that infrastructure didn't even produce 1% of the needed load at the worst of times.

>>50357313
Japan had a meltdown that’s still poisoning them
What a dumbfuck take

>>50357324
How about Fukishima, straight up bleeding into the Oceans eco system? Coral reefs died because of that shit.

>>50357333
But in America we have extra energy in the winter from renewables
Get fucked idiot

>>50357353
Caused by a natural disaster and that had no effect on most of the country. Non-nuclear industries cause disasters that wipe out towns or make areas inhospitable too. There are plenty of places where some factory was dumping shit in the ground and now it's a toxic wasteland. People just take nuclear more seriously. Fukushima wasn't like a nuclear bomb going off which is what people imagine a nuclear meltdown to be.

>>50356433
>why can't we have nuclear power?

>>50357373
>The petroleum industry doesn't also do exactly this but all the time

>>50357379
>extra energy
We're talking about how to generate reliable base load energy for the 21st century, not "extra" energy. I can generate "extra" energy by riding my fucking peloton, no one fucking cares.

>>50357438
You clearly don't know what the fuck your talking about. The radiation produced for a brief period from a nuclear bomb is nothing compared to what a true meltdown like Chernobyl actually is. The elephants foot will still kill you in just minutes from you standing next to it. If they hadn't sacrificed thousands of lives to mine under it and stop it from seeping into the water table, it would have poisoned millions of eastern Europeans to death. It could have killed upwards of 40 million people if those guys didn't go in butt naked and melt themselves to death to create a space to fill in with concrete and other materials to stop it from getting into the water supply.

The radiation that a true meltdown can cause is equivalent to a nuclear bomb going off over and over again. It's one of those things where if you fuck up the environment pays the price more than anything else we could do to it.

>>50356433
Real costs are too expensive
The amount of bribes to get passed red tape is too much to make nuclear profitable

It’s a great idea but in the real world costs get too high
That’s why new plants have been abandoned

>>50357514
Always back to Chernobyl. This isn't the Soviet Union.

>>50356433
kek
nuclear fags are the biggest idiots here
>bbbbut it’s cheap and we can bribe politicians to make it cheaper

>>50357175
Midsize nuclear plants regularly out produce the largest wind farm in the country to a factor of 8-10x while only costing 1-3x.

>>50357455
Nuclear is something where if you fuck up and you don't pour millions if not billions of dollars into cleaning it up and preventing further contamination, it can destroy the entire ecosystem in the entire region.

Of course, nature has taken back Chernobyl, but that's because the reactor has cooled down over time significantly. At first, millions of tons of top soil had to be dug up, the clean up was gargantuan. Just because you don't automatically see the results doesn't mean it's not happening with Fukushima.

>>50357595
They fell for the Chinese reactor meme

>>50357599
so it produces 10x more @ 3x the expense?
how about we build another 9 wind farms instead, then we got the same generation at a third of the cost, and NONE of the bullshit?

Molten salt reactors will change everything in energy and heavy industrial processes

>>50357599
That’s bullshit that the nuclear reactor companies tell you but costs are 10x greater than they estimate

How stupid are you guys that you believe nuclear is cheap?
Do you guys understand all the codes and costs associated with nuclear? The regulations and amount on tax payers is enormous

You need to change the political system before nuclear becomes cheaper than renewables
And green energy costs are going down quicker than nuclear too

It’s retard reasoning but go ahead and write your congressman

>>50357514
My fren is married to a ukranian. Her dad was drafted into building the housing for the brief time they were doing the chernobyl cleanup. He was paid in bricks at the end of it.
True fucking story.

>>50357379
Texas has a shit ton of wind farms and it did fuck all during winter and we have problems now during summer. Just 10 yrs ago we never had energy problems now we have fucking brownouts and our grid almost completelty collapsed last year. U are an ass eating dumb nigger

>>50357607
That sort of fuck up would never ever even happen outside of a natural disaster in a lot of the western world anyway. The alternatives destroy ecosystems too. Lithium does not magically grow on trees and oil doesn't just come out of a tap. Nuclear is incredibly clean as long as there is no major fuck up and there is no reason there ever would be in the middle of Sweden or somewhere.

There is a massive cleanup operation going in in Fukushima too but it isn't as disasterous as Chernobyl because Japs aren't slavnigger commies. People died when it happened but people die in tsunamis anyway. I'm surprised you would even say nature had reclaimed Chernobyl if you want to be anti-nuclear because it really wasn't even that long ago that it happened.

>>50356433
Idiots repeat this all the time

Start a fucking nuclear plant if it’s so cost effective
Posting on 4chinz isn’t going to get more nuclear reactors
This thread should be pruned

>>50357709
thems special bricks tho.
no more heating or lighting required.
>or pension arrangements

>>50356433
Wait until we figure out fusion reactors and no one lets them build them because nuclear scary.

>>50357695
It's almost like regulations are created and incentives exist for "green" development that don't exist for nuclear.

Wind and solar will never be real viable alternatives to some sort of reliable energy generation. Geothermal and hydro might be but they aren't possible everywhere. The idea of storing massive amounts of power in lithium batteries is just absurd and so shortsighted too.

>>50357714
>Adding energy gave us less energy
Fucking retard logic
Go create some nuclear plants then, idiot