/biz/ - Business & Finance

I WFH 4/10s so I'm off Friday. I'm having my morning coffee and shitposting before I go fishing in my kayak.

I'm a wagie pulling in 250k in my eastern European shithole.

How do I start my saas startup? I'm not planning on quitting the wagecage yet, I need stable income until I sell the business. Infrastructure and code is the easy part, I'm worried about marketing and venture capital.

Any /biz/raelis in a similar spot?

>>50233619
>when something inevitably goes wrong, blame everything on code monkey retard and schedule a meeting with the primary stakeholders to put them on blast and shift the blame while I look like a hero
>do an average of maybe 1 hour of work per day
holy based

I am starting a new job next week, going to be WFH most days probably. I'm a zoomer doing an internship, it's my first corporate job. Wish me luck boyos.

/WFH/ here and I go to the office once a week. Didn't go this week though LOL

>>50233619
Is your picture suppose to mock us or the actual wageslave that isn't a /wfh/ elite?

>>50233780
Good luck and welcome to the /wfh/ Chad elite

>>50233698
Job? You must work for an american company

>>50233698
SSWE, Poland.

>>50234102
meant for
>>50233991

I recently got a WFH position, but I worry that someone will find out they are praying me tons of money for very little work.

>>50234148
this is incredibly common with wfh. the truth is that most people do maybe 2 or 3 hours of work every day and just screw around with assorted office bullshit to fill time or wait around for something new to happen. as long as you're not obviously missing milestones or something, you'll be fine

>>50233991
Suck it yuropoor

>>50234148
Anon, they do this both on the office and out of the office. I work in an office doing engineering and it's obvious we only do 20 hours of work but they pay us/lock us in for 45. At least it makes a little bit of sense for us because sometimes we need to answer questions and go on the shop floor. I do wish I went into software engineering. Having no physical objects allows for efficiency WFH.

>>50233619

Anybody use tecme.io, I have an interview, it looks like uber for IT but if it gets me out of the office I might go for it. Maybe toss a Fiverr in there as well

>>50233619
Forgot to add:
>friends with infosec so got approval for admin privileges on my work laptop
>install autohotkey script to keep me from idling
>install all the software and shit i need to do whatever i want while others are stuck getting approval from infosec who deny everything lul

Today is my last day at my old job. They tried to force us back into the office so I left for a full remote job and 70% raise. Feeling excessively smug today. I'm actually going into the office just to chill out and maybe gloat a little.

>>50235039
did you do the HR roastie exit interview yet? i made it very clear that i was leaving because of shit pay and their refusal to let me be 100% remote. i'm sure no one at the company actually cared, but it felt good to make that dumb bitch roastie make some record of my defiance toward open office wagecattledom.

>>50235158
I did. Actually the HR lady told me that HR and recruiting were trying to convince the boomer execs to walk back the policy, and she was very happy to let me rant about RTO, and said the feedback would come back to execs. She called them "old school" and "out of touch" lmao. Fucking idiots, all of our best engineers (the ones with options) are leaving. She said the rate of departures was at a record high and everyone cited RTO as the reason

>>50233679
Have you tried taking Mondays off? My Fridays are typically quiet so now that I'm working 4/10 with Mondays off it's like having a 5 day weekend. Best decision of my life especially considering I never work the full 10 anyway

Good morning, gents. I work TWO (2) WFH jobs, one as a Fullstack developer and the other as a frontent developer. I just finished a meeting discussing my onboarding, and now I'm about to do actual work so that I can slack off later next week
>>50233619
Very based.
>>50233679
Nice
>>50233780
Same. Good luck zoomerbro wagmi

>>50233619
can't decide if i wanna leave ove rthis or not

/WFH/ Sales Chad here.

>losing faith in company
>runway ends Q1 of 2023
>ceo already chopped the sales team by ~80% and i survived
>been top performer in my team
>decent salary + commission
>not passionate about product and think our competition is just better
>these days just do the absolute minimum and take mondays and fridays off
>literally dont care anymore, sales is always in high demand and recession proof
I love sales and I love WFH but this ceo just refuses to make logical decisions like investing into product for integrations.

Ready to start looking for a new role. I get recruiters reaching out to me but half the positions want me to be physically locked into my territory or want ((((hybrid)))) environment. kek no thanks faggots

>>50237541

NOOOOOOOO HOW CAN YOU BE PRODUCTIVE SITTING IN YOUR BED IT'S NOT POSSIBLE NOOOOOO I NEED TO SEE YOU!!!!

WE HAVE A PIZZA PARTY AND A PING PONG TABLE I BET YOUR PRECIOUS WFH DOESN'T

>>50236711
Thought of doing this but I hate J1 too much to keep it if I ever get offered J2. Being overemployed is very based though anon, enjoy

>snorted some meow meow and had drinks with mates until 1:30 yesterday
>log in hungover at 9:30
>get some work done
>ms teams call with my boss today
>"You're really doing well lately anon"

>>50233619
I work in tech sales. My job is similar to this but with even less work. My boss says I am doing a good job. I make a shitload of money doing almost nothing. Are you me?

>>50233619
Why does his situation get worse every time the image gets edited?

Any FL work from home chads? There is simply nothing better than DOING NOTHING and NOT PAYING STATE INCOME TAX.

Cheers gentleman!

>be me
>full work from home thankfully
>department wide meeting earlier this month
>2nd in command talks about how employees shouldn't take opportunity to go into the office for granted cause the new remote employees can't come into the office at will
>months ago in 1 on 1 meeting he told me I am hindered by being remote as I don't get to see the higher ups face to face and should in the future consider trying to move to a different state with an office
Do people in corporate unironically actually like going into the office? The normal people on my project team when they had the opportunity to return to their offices said no.

>>50238257
Not in FL but same situation in NV.

FUCK IT GETS ME SO ERECT

>>50238257
>>50238401
How do other states pull it off?
Hoosier fag here. State income tax is annoying and gas tax just went up again cause of the "formula" They use

>>50238352
people in senior leadership positions are unironically mentally ill. if you talk to them, it's like they exist in a different plane of reality. it's like a higher functioning form of schizophrenia. and to answer your question: yes, these specific types of people unironically actually like going into the office because their entire life revolves around work.

>>50233619
wow finly a Soln Architect thread that I didnt start. High five based chad.

t.160k fully remote

>>50233619
>half day friday
>did 1 hour of actual work
>spammed applications to jobs that pay 40% more
yep another hard day at work

>>50233619
whats the career path for this? I work in application security. done a lot from consulting/white hat hacking, security engineering at banks, secure code reviews, mobile and web app security mostly but also some c++ and c code jobs. I'm sick of working with clients the hacking finding bugs part is easy. The lead devs are becoming a serious problem and i'm sick of them.

>>50233619
ARE THERE ANY FELLOW SALES CHADS IN THESE THREADS?

All I see is cringe ass software engineers. Where the SDR's/AE's at?

>>50238650
>can't ctrl f
>posts cringe cardone
>thinks anyone respects sdrs
kek i hope you are an ae anon

$610k TC Software Engineer WFH Chad here. Work is starting to get heavy bros. I miss the 4 hour work days.

>>50238805
How are you making double my salary, and you're still a code monkey? Not in leadership? Nice larp

>>50238483
I suppose that makes sense. I have no desire to be in management let alone senior leadership

WFH Finance wagie here...I work my ass off but I want to make more money so I work hard. Fuck you lazy faggots

>>50233619
How do I get promoted from code monkey to solutions architect? I was already a technical architect before which is like a baby architect but my job was canned when 3m decided to downsize some consultants including me.

>>50233619
you do what I do man, damn there is another biztard on here.

I multijob, so I do this bullshit role and some minor cloud engineering at 3 places.

500k base pay, bonus and equity bring it up another 100k.

>>50238892
wfh accounting wagie here. i barely work and embellish almost to the point of lying on my resume. now i'm applying to jobs that pay $120k/year minimum.

>>50238991
damn nigga i'm a cpa w/ 10 yrs exp and only make $95k. I do suppose severe autism has hindered my progression. And how are you not working hard rn? It's month end nigga.

>>50239008
cause you don't run your own business, ironic you're a CPA, but you're acting like a teacher, e.g. those who can't do teach.

Why don't you consult a real CPA and talk about opening an LLC and establishing a DBA and then a marketing guru on creating a sales funnel for new clients in an exciting niche like nomad taxation for WFH wagies that are in this thread that are probably paying full tax liability or are audited and aren't paying (((uncle sam))) his fair share.

fucking incredible, you people and realtors are the first for the slaugther. :)

>>50239008
i have 4 years of experience and no CPA and i also make $95k/year after bonus. company i work for has a 4 day close but most of my work is statutory reporting.

practice being less autistic (im also a sperg) and look for a better job. with 10 years of experience you should be making $120-130k/year as a heavy senior or $150k as a manager.

>>50239047
shut the fuck up you stupid nigger retard

>>50239083
lol 95k wagie wagie :)
damn bro, already resorting to calling me a nigger.

Guess it makes perfect sense why you're only at 95k.

>>50238844
Just join a company at the right time to ride the equity up. Here's an example offer that's similar to my situation

https://www.levels.fyi/offer.html?id=ee63bac7-0781-42a6-aa17-e421d72558b3

>>50238939
i got my gig by working at a really small startup basically being in charge of 100% of their product engineering, you build more high level product skills that way

>>50239103
>>50238976
>that alleged codenigger who LARPs about having multiple highly paid jobs
i have no interest in engaging what is likely a low IQ, mentally ill poorfag who makes minimum wage at a gas station if he works at all (being on SSI disabilitybux is much more likely.)

>>50238844
TC = Salary + Equity/shares + benefits. His salary might be less than yours but equity/profit sharing has launched him to that number

tldr; join a start up for this type of trajectory

>>50239047
>creating a sales funnel
>not paying someone on fiverr from Bangladesh to do create it

Ngmi

>>50239141
Now now, that's projection anon. Anyone can multijob and accounting is one of the most simplest ones. Why don't you try to balance out two jobs, or pick up a side client? I'm sure your 95k skills could net you an easy peasy client at 80k that you can do 15-20 hours a week on, automate a few spreadsheets for your fancy "reporting" and go from there.

Or we can sit around and insult one another, I'm okay with the later because I'm FAANG, guaranteed equity (yay RSU's and golden handcuffs) and zero debt. ;)

You can imagine me however you like, in the end I'm better off then you'd ever be. You can work up to my level, or you can wagie wagie and think of insults that don't even hit.

>>50238071
Good on you sales bro. I am not in sales but sales-adjacent and have a lot of respect for you fellow chads who can actually communicate so effectively you don't actually have to do anything.
>>50238174
Lul, had this copy for over a year...has it gotten even worse?
>>50238521
Good for you bro. I am only 27 and not in a huge market area, so I make just over 6 figures but I do get a 15% yearly bonus and some good 401K benefits. Maybe I should jump ship to another company?
>>50238609
Cheers, brother.
>>50238617
Does your current work have an Architecture practice? If so, get in with them. If not, you either need to start one yourself or go somewhere that has one. A lot of work to start it yourself if you can't convince leadership to invest in it, but if you're motivated, go for it.
>>50238650
Whatup sales chad?!
>>50238805
Doubtful but if not a LARP, let us know your ways.
>>50238939
See above. Get in with your current architecture practice, start your own, or move companies.
>>50238976
lmfao that honestly seems like too much to juggle. I have too many BULLSHIT meetings to have more than a single job.

50k QA analyst tard reporting in
i thought i would be coding and i was proficient at first but after doing like 4 hours of work a week for months and months i'm pretty much demoralized if this field isn't going to be fulfilling
i should've been grinding leetcode/udemy/interviews all this time but i just don't care since i'm getting paid for nothing.
what motivates you?

>>50239338
No offense bro but QC is retard-tier...even below code monkey. You need to develop your hard skills and get into some higher earning roles. Once you're in, you're in.

>>50239381
are the hookers worth it?

>>50239319
It really isn't - grab global admin, run VM, leave laptops plugged on on a /32 VPN, live abroad, work from VM's, cloud join VM to each org, create generic templates for each work, run sprints, push out work as needing quarter or two, finish it up in a week or pop adderals and a weekend, and then tactfully change my kanban every week, my businest day is friday, when everyone runs meetings but other than that, I just leave laptop on (vm, hybrid join and I also have mdm access so of course I exempt my vm's, no need for script or anything, there's zero reporting) and then I make sure to fill up my calendar and turn it private.

most of the week I just bike, go out with friends and live life - I'm abroad so that's why the /32, but literally if you're an SA, you can do this too, just plan a foundation, push it out for the whole year and then automated emails and bullshit.

You'd be surprised how much you can appear visible while really AFK living life, banking and browsing /biz/ to see when red wojak time to buy.

>>50239047
>lmao just start your own accounting firm dude
Fucking dumbass retard shit nigger. Small business in this country is absolutely fucked, so trying to run a small business accounting firm where my only clients would also themselves be small business would be DOUBLE FUCKED, but I wouldn't expect a stupid faggot west coast homosexual dicklicking faggot to understand that, that is, if you're not just straight up larping which you probably are.

>>50239394
No LARP but I am lucky enough to have a faithful wife who I actually like so no hookers for me. For others, I am sure they love them.

>>50239008
Bro where you at, i have 4 years of experience and I make $95k as a CPA, im in mcol area though. Your gettingfl fucked, I also had worked at B4.

>>50239408
Good on you man, I am just not dedicated enough to even bother. I do have occasional periods where I have to get shit done because the dumbass code monkeys fuck it up and there are customer deadlines to hit. I don't wanna be that stressed juggling multiple jobs

>>50239425
I bill c2c for two of my clients, so I 100% understand how my small business operates. Hell I even had an sole prop back with trump handouts and netted 25k thanks SBA.

So, you're absolutely stupid as an accountant anon, the reason why is because you're seeing yourself as a cost center vs a profit center for small businesses. OF course if you just list yourself on google maps and do no real organic marketing you'll have shit clients.

But brah, have you seen that tiktok shit and the nolo guides for airbnb and such? There is such a gab in the industry it's insane, just setting up a simple form website and charging $500-1000 to reduce someones IRS liability would be $$$, even for us tech folk, 99% of the ones I talk to don't even know how to fucking compound interest or do a macro in excel (yet theywork in big data lols, fucking bullshit imo)

You have it inside you, stop being a pussy, etc etc. I actually spent time to learn this stuff and even then it's basic accounting at best with some underreporting tossed in for good measure.

but you have some sort of gay fetish thing going on, so Idk bro get that checked out first. :)

>>50239425
I honestly would start a small time consulting for small businesses on the side. Wouldn’t quit my day job, but it would be a good side job. I would totally either do income tax during the time or side consulting. You can easily rake in $40k over the four months of tax season.

Wfh Chad here.

My main job gets me equivalent to $100k a year whilst I live at home with no bills. Also got a second gig that gets me an extra $30k that I live off.

>>50239439
right on
i think whenever this job contract is nearing its end will be enough negative reinforcement to grind up and apply to something better since upward salary earning is like the winning hiring narrative

>>50238805
No software engineer makes anywhere near that much money

>>50238976
How can multijobbing possibly work? Don't you ever have meetings at conflicting times?

>>50238795
found the salty lazy code monkey

>>50234148
if it makes you feel any better my company still hasn't figured it out after 4 years

>>50239516
>low IQ sentence structure
>excessive amounts of nigger monkey zoomer slang
this thread is for adults, get out.

The "Day in My life" youtube videos of wfh people mess me up, because either I am incredibly lazy/unproductive and everyone else is actually doing work, or these fuckers are lying and everyone is too scared to do a real version in fear that their boss sees the vid.

>>50237944
>doing the absolute bare minimum and still somehow getting congratulated on performance
How low is the bar honestly? I feel like I barely work at every one of my jobs and I always get positive feedback on performance

>>50238521
>>50239319
How do I move from engineer to arch. I’m at 6yoe and have always thought I’d be better at arch than the actual implementation

What if I told you guys I make 50k a year to send emails , it’s ironically stressful af

>>50239791
no, you can have different timezones per role, and if you're somewhat non-autistic you can, modify the appointment schedule/outlook calendar invite so it "suits you."

I also control the meetings, and everything, I set up recurring dates in outlook and it's like magic, everyone does what they're told.

It works for me because I have the exact job/role/scope at 4 orgs, is it a handful, yes, do I enjoy my 40k'ish a month cash flow, double yes.

I suggest finding the most dead end org, e.g. manufacturing and that doesn't have any reporting e.g. FINRA/SOX to simplify the work you have to do. Lots of people put down jobs in non fancy orgs or where the majority of the team are 40's, 50's, 60's but imo that's prime $$ because they are so far separated from what has to be done and the techstack that you can make up words and blow it up on a visio chart and that's it.

But, I'm not as autistic as most people on /biz/ or like >>50239936
are. I also don't care if I get fired or found out, whether this is yolo or stotic doesn't matter. I focus on cashflow, and even if I were to get fired within 90 days, it would just look bad on the hiring director then "me."

Biggest issue is the linkedin hygine. I use vanity names at different places in lieu of legal name and that helps too.

>>50239936
el oh el

working in logistics atm, pretty much an office monkey but got shit to do in the warehouse so no comfy remote for me
What job can I get at 26 that'll let me do remote? Should I change career path? I'm pretty dumb tho

>>50233698
wfh doing 750,000$ per year here
I live in Yemen btw and my car cost me 0.01$ per month

You guys all seem so comfy, how possible is it to earn $300k+ wfh? I want to pick up coding and am ok with this taking 5 years or so.

>>50240495
>$300k+ wfh?
very hard but $140k is attainable. if you get 2 jobs then you could do it.
most realistic way to get it in 1 job is to shoot for director at a small employer.

>>50240279
Huh? What sort of emails?

>>50233619
>tfw just applied for a clerical job for the state government thats headquartered downtown

>>50239847
see
>>50237541

>>50239704
Lmao brainlet cope

So why haven't auditors caught any of this schmoozing?

>>50239704
I spent 4 hours working 2 weeks ago and increased the company revenue by $20m/yr. It's not how long you work, it's how much impact you have.

>>50241357
what do you do in your free time?

>>50241284
I assume it's because auditors do the same thing

>>50241284
>he thinks people worked when they were at the office

>>50238650
Just started a SaaS sales internship. Aiming to be an AE in the future so I can be paid according to what I'm actually worth instead of trading my time for money.
Any advice lad? I'm probably not even doing SDR stuff this year, just being an excel wagie. But for the career path in general.

>>50241417
>>50241430
Lol

>>50241379
Drink, video games, socialize. Most free time other than that is just consooming.

>>50241929
Do you still grind leetcode/Udemy/personal projects etc.? Or is your job stimulating enough to learn things?

>>50241513
>Any advice lad?
Dont waste 1 minute being an SDR. if you cant bs your way into becoming AE then you are ngmi.

Half my job as AE is just bullshitting my way passed gatekeepers and being a general bulldozer to get faggot directors or higher level interested for meetings

Heres the secret: Some dumb made up title on their desk doesnt mean these people are smart or hardworking. Most of them are fucking degens and as retarded as the average biz poster

>>50243089
What is an AE?

>>50243204
Account executive. Same shit as a sales rep anywhere else. Dumb made up title. But they are the closer in most organizations.

Any advice for someone who wants to eventually land a 6 figures WFH job?

I know it will take years, and I'll have to start with lower paying jobs. I don't mind, I'm just setting that up as an objective, and going from there.

>>50243667
Go get certs for coding languages you want to learn and take any position you can and work from there

>>50243719
I have been looking at Database work. You can start something relatively easy like Data Entry, and keep learning from there and get better jobs. So I could get some Phyton certifications I guess.
I could do other things than database work, but don't plan on becoming a code monkey. Writing code looks like it is over-saturated to death

>>50243857
Then pick something in sales for money + stability. Sales is top of the food chain because it directly generates revenue. But you need to learn how to be effective. Doesnt mean you have to work 50 hours a week. Just have to know how to social engineer prospects as well as your company. Always play multiple angles.

>>50243913
I'm absolutely dogshit at sales. I couldn't sell a cool soda drink at the dessert in summer. To give an example, in my personal life I've always sold at a loss, when selling used personal items or trading collectible cards. Most often than not I'd just give things away for free to friends and family so I'd avoid having to sell them.
What you are saying makes absolutely sense though, and it'd help me improve my biggest weakness. I don't know what is it about sales specifically, but it sounds intimidating to me.... Ahhhg decisions, decisions.... lol

>>50243667
depends on your money, previous background etc.
easiest way to learn any relatively familiar topic is to pay teachers/mentors/experts to spoon feed you structured content. this means you will not be able to find people you can pay to teach you the very latest cutting edge, since that knowledge is being created or evolved through people already working or researching.

for WFH 6 figures if money isn't a problem take a full stack bootcamp, focus on connections in the course and honestly becoming a TA is way better than doing like an internship/apprenticeship at some revature-like model. you will learn much more. after doing this about 6 months or a year you will probably be able to find something legit. Revature-like hiring companies basically say they'll train you for piss wages and get you hired at some contracting firm also for piss wages for a set amount of time guaranteed. these are all bottom of the barrel and most of the roles they put you in aren't coding roles due to extreme levels of disorganization. avoid Indians whenever possible.

>>50244099
>since that knowledge is being created or evolved through people already working or researching.
also forgot to mention that this is more important in software engineering than other fields because paradigm shifts happen more often. the latest greatest thing right now could be react.js but next 5 years can't be certain. so the ability to self-teach yourself new content is more important than in a field like medicine where for the most part the stuff you learn in med school/nursing school is relevant for much longer.

>>50244099
>depends on your money, previous background etc.
Poorfag status by biz standards, above average for my personal surroundings. I'm in a weird situation right now, in which at the moment I have no income whatsoever, I have no fiat, but I have quite a bit stacked in other physical assets.
As for my background, I have done a little of a lot. What I mean by this, is that I'm don't have work experience in any particular field, certainly not extensive. But I have done things like graphic design freelance work, English to Spanish interpretation, kitchen wageslave job once, and some other random bits here and there. I have been mostly focused in farming for the past couple of years, but that was production for personal consumption of me and family members, and friends.
I have been thinking about doing different projects related to it, like growing catnip and selling it, or maybe roses. I could do that for a while to have a project geared towards monetization, but I'm realizing that there is no way I can compete with big businesses that have acres and acres to work with.

>to pay teachers/mentors/experts to spoon feed
That sounds smart, and I have already thought about it. I don't have money to pay for tutoring right now, but I could start with some youtube channel videos, or something like that.

>avoid Indians whenever possible.
lol, the eternal pajeet scammer. It sounds like you have a personal story or two regarding working with Indians

>>50244199
I'm fairly confident of my ability to learn new subjects, because that's what I've been doing all my life. I like to learn new topics and become competitive in them.
The biggest challenge I forsee facing is that I don't have much people skills regarding workplace relationships. I can flirt with a girl, or bant with lads, but I have not much experience at all at conducting me in an organization. That's what I think might set me back the most.

>>50233619
Roger that.


WFH since 2020 for big tech, but I was a wagie regardless, making 20k a year.

Now I'm making 15k, but I work like 20 hrs a week, giving IT solutions (programming a mailchimp auto email, fixing the website, put pages on wordpress) to an all-female company. I moved back to my country with my parents 3 months ago, and I'm comfy as fuck.

Today I had talks with CEO of a tech start-up, in capital raising stages. I know the guy and he wants me, for some reason. Shall I go risky with the start-up, which will be WFH and will work my ass off, or start looking for a job in the market?

Shall I wait and learn some Architecture stuff? What do you recommend? Getting AWS certs?

New shiny resume is written, and ready to face the automated HR systems, I hate myself.