/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>49967033
too many people not working all day 5 days a week would be really bad for the people in charge

too bad they wasted all their money on rolexes and avocado toast

>>49967033
I work a useless high paying software job that I don't have the balls to resign from. I actually want to be fired so I can be free

>>49967033
Much of white collar work has always existed, partly, for the tacit purpose of stabilizing a selected class of people, regardless of their contributions to society, so that the demographic makeup of those who ascend to the elite can be tightly controlled. This is also why recruitment relies so heavily on personal networks and not some sort of qualifying exam and subsequent lottery. What's most important in white collar work isn't what you produce but how well you get along with the people you're forced to be with for 1/3 or more of your day (again, this is a form of control) to justify givig you your paycheck.

>>49967033
>t. seething blue collar worker
hey wagie our margins aren't looking too hot with inflation and the supply chain and all. i'm gonna have to temporarily reduce your pay 10% -- sorry, but it's just temporary. oh and btw i accidentally deleted your 401k and we need you to come in on weekends now, just until we hire someone else in Q4. now if you'll excuse me it's time for my 2.5 hour, 3 beer lunch.
>Sent from my iPhone

I'm well aware my job is meaningless lol. I truly do not care, it's a means to an end and right now that end is sitting at ~600k

>>49967094
Being fired is bad if you're looking for a career and aren't a white man (if you are, don't worry about it, failing upward is the norm). If you're about to pivot, though, take that L with gusto because you'll qualify for thousands in unemployment checks. And it's an entitlement, they have to pay out if you were fired with no fault (meaning you didn't actively and maliciously sabotage business operations; being late or underperforming won't disqualify you, usually). Also, if they were stiffing you in any way - overtime, making you deal with sexual harassment or protected class bigotry - you can take it up with the DoL or sue. Again, 5-figure+ payout.

>>49967068
bullshit jobs

>>49967033
You are correct. I've been saying this shit for years, that most white collar jobs are artificial and fake. Most aren't needed, not to mention the corporate welfare that companies hand out to women and nonwhites to continue the demographic shift of Western Nations and as a soft form of government welfare.
Soon, this is going away, the bubble is going to pop and the chickens will come home to roost. Most jobs are completely inane and meaningless, again especially the ones used to employ women and many nonwhites.
And blue collar aren't safe either, because the robots and Artificial Intelligence are coming for their jobs, too.
>>49967068
It would, which is why Universal basic income is going to be implemented. Checkmate.

>>49967220
>(if you are, don't worry about it, failing upward is the norm)
Imagine still believing being a White male has any benefit to you. It's actually detrimental. Companies actively select against you.
White men will be hit the hardest when this bubble pops, too. They are the lowest on the progressive totem pole and receive the least amount of government cheese.

>>49968388
>the corporate welfare that companies hand out to women and nonwhites to continue the demographic shift of Western Nations

This is exactly why the bubble will NOT pop.

>>49968448
Universal Basic Income anon, its coming

I look after IT systems in a container/cargo port, is my job needed????

>>49968485
white collar jobs are UBI for people with a brain. kek. i'm employed 40 hours a week but i do like 20 hours a week on average.

>>49967033
You underestimate how rich PMC millenials are. Those working these bs white collar fake jobs usually come from wealthy backgrounds. There will be no reckoning for them, only their dad telling them to not buy another tesla

>>49968388

Yes, but it doesnt matter. what do people need? food, shelter, medicine (and maybe sex because its very strong basic urge and instinct). But thats it really, everything els either supports one of these four or is actually not necessary. with good planning, infrastructure and logistics the first three essentials can be mostly provided for and it will not require a lot of people. so in theory, the rest of the people dont have to do anything at all, so its fine that a lot of people have jobs that do not actually matter.

>>49968388
Government jobs are even worse. I remember I had an internship at the state house. There were about 20 other people with my exact same job. All of us sat in a big room with our own desk and computer. No one did jack shit all day besides make a daily run to pick up a catered lunch or give canned response emails to boomers that the automated system passed through. I was making 17/hour for 8 hours a day to do absolutely nothing on the tax payer dime, and there were at about 20 other people with there. That's almost 3k per day that the state was paying interns to do nothing.

>>49967033
It took me until the second paragraph to realize this is my post from several days ago lol

>>49967182
Not sure why you'd think this was blue collar insight. I've been working in software engineering for ten years. I've seen the depths of uselessness in corporate work and it goes deeper than anyone wants to admit. Society is running at 10% efficiency. It's a bad and good thing. On one hand, there's a massive amount of misdirected labor which could be set towards something productive and this is weighing us down enormously. On the other hand, the people in these useless jobs have a lot of cognitive dissonance to face before they admit their profession is entirely pointless and move on from it. Such dissonance commonly causes people to lash out and defend their ego rather than change.

>>49967033
feels good working for a company in recession-proof Healthcare that is flush with cash and operates on 60% profit margin

>>49968419
Every white male boss I've ever had has been wildly incompetent, along with some combination if unscrupulous, charismatic, and overconfident/entitled; the women are usually competent but have ranged from pleasant to bitchy.

>>49968419
>>49971258
Sorry, had to split this for bump purposes. Anyway, this experience leads me to the only conclusion that white dudes advance on some other metric than competence. I suppose this does mean that you will need high points in whatever that metric is, but gettig fired because you fucked up your job duties alone remains not-a-problem.

>>49967182
>don't like what you hear
>just make a load of bullshit up to mock it

>>49969319
why would you move on from your high paying job? even if it's pointless, that isn't your problem.

>>49968419
>receive the least amount of government cheese.
This means white men making a living are in the least of a bubble out of anyone

>>49969319
We should generally be running at low capacity for the sake of sustainability and preparedness, actually. The problem isn't low efficiency, it's the horrible distribution of resources and incentives to spend non-productive time preparing to be productive. If, say, we discovered an asteroid headed our way, we wouldn't necessarily want every capable adult being preoccupied with keeping a JIT economy afloat; rather, we'd want a bunch of educated people who'd spent a ton of time running over possible scenarios or keeping their STEM skills sharp in their copious amounts of free time ready to be called up to assist the anti-asteroid effort. Replace asteroid with any existential threat/whatever the Great Filter turns out to be.

Having spare capacity is a good thing, which means that some degree of resource distribution can't be predicated solely on an individual's productive capacity.

>>49971289
>>49971258
Nobody asked for your opinion, simp.

>>49971327
It is definitely a collective problem, not an individual one. What I was saying is that the current way has a lot of inertia from the bottom up.

>>49971375
>The problem isn't low efficiency, it's the horrible distribution of resources and incentives to spend non-productive time preparing to be productive.
Yes I agree. When I said 10% efficiency I meant 100% capacity producing 10% output over the long term. For example a third to half of our capacity should really be reserved for birthing, caring, raising, teaching and training our young, but it seems like we've cut every single corner in that essential industry for short term gains in wheel spinning industries. This guarantees a demographic crisis and horrible long term output, yet it's ignored because everyone makes more money right now this way. Worshipping the dollar has been a tragedy to society because markets only price in near term risk.

>>49972164
>everyone makes more money right now this way
Which is used as collateral to make even larger credit-based bets. Ugh. Head hurts.
>>49971415
Now, you look here, buster. Back off.

>>49968511
>i'm employed 40 hours a week but i do like 20 hours a week on average.
I like to see it closer to 10 avg

I'm not sure 4 hours a day is quite UBI-tier. It's part time. purely an academic distinction though

>>49968625
>PMC millenials
what's a "pmc millenial"?

>>49967033
This is true. White collared workers are bout to get btfo, this make work job shit is not sustainable

>>49969319
>I've been working in software engineering for ten years. I've seen the depths of uselessness in corporate work and it goes deeper than anyone wants to admit. Society is running at 10% efficiency.
I'm a software engineer (or rather...my title is one) that hasn't written useful code since 2017.
I make $280k year total.

Currently worth about $700k and looking for something else to pursue. Might be veterinary medicine

>>49967033
>since their 120-180k salaries have almost entirely gone into worthless consumerist shit
Isn't this the point? Blue collar, rental workers, "independent contractors" etc. don't have the excess money to buy shit, they don't even have excess time to have a life outside of work. Without the white collar middle class there is no consumer economy, and even if someone out there has figured out the technocratic feudalism of the future they can't shift the entire global economy into that model overnight. The top 1-10% might hold more wealth than the white collar middle class but most businesses target the latter. If, say, 50 million office monkeys suddenly got fired or had their paycheck cut by 90% businesses everywhere would go bankrupt since they don't have a market without consumers, and all the financial volume tied to them can longer keep circulating in the aether without a care.

>>49974864

Isn't that happening right now currently. Massive layoffs and massive unemployments soon.

>>49974885
>Massive layoffs and massive unemployments soon.
are we making another "2 more weeks" post?

>>49971258
>>49971289
You type like a person with low IQ so my guess is you're mad that you're competent boss didn't like your dumb ideas.

>>49974978
>inb4 "automatic correction coded by gooks made a typo you're the dumb one"

>>49967167
This has been my exact thought for a long ass time. Very based take.

>>49974467
PMC stands for "professional and managerial class". So basically, the biggest faggots of our societies.

>>49974517
what kind of industry is your company in?

i'm also a software engineer but make half your salary and pump out a ton of code. on 3 different projects at work and i work 60 hour weeks and am writing/debugging code for the majority of those hours.

how can i go about finding a comfy low-stress company

>>49975650
>i'm also a software engineer but make half your salary and pump out a ton of code. on 3 different projects at work and i work 60 hour weeks and am writing/debugging code for the majority of those hours.
do you work at a startup? The theme of my career has been getting paid more to work less every 1.5 years

Try to get in at linkedin, indeed, airbnb, maybe Google

>>49975650
you primarily want to work for a place that already has a product that prints money. that's your starting point.

If the company isn't alreay printing cash, stay away unless it's your company or you want that lifestyle

>>49967033
don't care just opened 50x leverage LINK position