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hmm is this biz related..? i cant tell..

>>49964331
Same but 27 years

>>49964366
Same. Only way this life will be fair/worth it is if I get rich in the next run (came close last year).

>>49964331
Before this thread gets deleted, I am basically you but older but instead of having issues with gf and friends I overcame all of that. The key is testosterone, go back your levels checked and jump on TRT to watch your anxiety levels get decimated

>>49964331
how do I profit from this?

>>49964384
Nope. I had more testosterone than 99.999% of the planet (trained like a demi-god). Didn't stop me from being anti-social af. Though I guess before it was because I used to have a god complex and felt above all humans. Now it's the polar opposite.

>>49964331
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>>49964390

>23 years old
>waaaa i wasted all my life
>my life is over
>its too late now

goddamn zoomers

>>49964331
you're 23 your best years are ahead. fix your diet, fix your microbiome, fix your body with gym/sports and focus on your hobbies/ things that make you happy. once you feel better, shit will just start lining up without much effort or thinking.

dig yourself out of this shithole, its not a 5 min fix and headspace is probs the hardest thing to change but it will get better op. progress no matter how small is progress

>>49964384
>TRT
Turkish Radio and Television corporation?

>I am a 23 yo virgin hermit.
Spend age 13-22 in total reclusion.
I missed a lot of experiences and lived in my head, spending all my time on the internet.
Literally me. Hello friend.
Do drugs, unironically.

>>49964415
Testosterone replacement therapy

>>49964331
>i was a neet and felt like i was missing out on life
>so i decided to live in a hmo with random people and become a wageslave
>why am i not happy yet?
>boo hoo vagina no like me ;(
>should I get into therapy and take meds to try to get more functional
no you aren't an actual lunatic nor are you suicidal so meds will just lobotomize you and make you stagnate as a wageslave golem
therapy if you can get it for free but don't pay for it
you just need to grow up
stop crying about
>m-muh pussy pwease ma'am just a droplet of vagina
you're a fucking loser and in no position to have a family so either hire hookers or buy an onahole
start a real career
either go do some it certs, go and learn trade, or go back to school life is not worth living as a pathetic scum wagie competing with fresh off the boat niggers who barely speak english for retail and factory jobs
>start my own business
are you retarded? you live in a hmo you idiot

>>49964331
Hey you could try to make your weakness your strength. If your physicality doesn't attract girls you can easily take the spiritual path. Chad will have a hard time there but if you are ugly and no girls want you it's easy to renounce lust and sin

>>49964331
dude start doing sports and find something IN REAL LIFE that you're passionate about, then meet people that share this interest and fucking move your ass around, meet new people. If you don't have energy then read my first sentence
spending time in nature heals your soul
do with this information whatever you want

>>49964401
There is no cure for narcissim

>>49964406
I'm not a fan of any medication

Why are you replying to this obvious spambot OP? Or are you all just bots.

>>49964437
I have nothing I am passionate about
Had this vivid daydream of driving with a sports car through the city since 18 yo. This was the only thing I projected in my mind that would get me happiness. Throughout the years I even realized that this dream is cringe too
So I don’t have nothing - I am functionally depressed

>>49964405
People rarely change after 25
After that it’s just wageslaving and your issues manifesting more deeply
It’s easier to make new men instead of fix broken ones

Getting girls is easier than friends. I have a gf but other than her I have pretty much 0 friends. I love my days in isolation from everyone but her

>>49964331
My dude, my duderino, my good fucking fucking fuck friend. Just, just, don't. Stop it with the whole "muh life". You're 23, you have your whole life ahead of you. Just buy a good coin, earn passive income and stop it with the whole depression phase. Get into therapy, start working out, you need a winner's mind to win what you want.

I like you, here, have some easy x5, get a head start

Try therapy. You need to talk to someone you can trust and not express yourself only through the computer

Just do what I did go to Africa and find some big black booty bitch that is grateful for you saving her, and bring her home, she can cook, clean and suck your dick. That's real happiness.

>>49964668
I looked into it, that's a scam. OP, ask some coworkers out to a festival, say your friends don't have time and you don't want to go alone.

>>49964331
go and bang some bitches

>>49964708
most don't look like your pic

>>49964331
I wont lie to you like the others.
You missed out on teen version of experiences.
Those are similar to older adult life experiences but leave more room for mistakes and for different behaviors.

Try to make up for it in tow ways.
Jump right in like a person that doesnt swim when he jumps into water.
Do research. Watch IRL streams, watch movies on some topics, find some niche. Get into it theoretically a much as you can. Then see the reality and how far away it is from the fake version you knew.

Dont want to wake up with same question at 33.

>>49964331
23 are some of the worst years to be a khv autist. Trust me, you get more used to it with time. I'm 32 and basically never think about anything social anymore. I work a six figure job, do well enough in a professional setting, but I have no significant connections with anyone outside of family, and I'm happy with that.

I was you bro. I had friends, but never reached out to them a lot. I don't think I was as close of a friend in their eyes as they were in my eyes. At 23, I said fuck it- I'm single, no career, a virgin loser- and free. I packed up my shit and bought a one way ticket to vietnam, rode the entire country alone, and broke out of my shell. Met lots of people, fucked some bitches, and at 23 was finally a late bloomer. Now, I'm almost 28 and engaged to a wonderful woman. You can do it bro, it just takes one time. Then you can learn to chameleon and turn on the normie mode when you need to.

>>49964406
Actually good advice.

>>49964331
So many anxiety posts on biz lately kek. Look bro, you're unironically doing the right thing but it takes a while to fix your brain. The fact that you're trying is already impressive. I was a shut in from 17 to 29 so I guess we're pretty similar, here's what I did to get a normal life. 1. working out 2. eating healthy (i drank a lot to deal with the anxiety) 3. looksmax (fix clothing, skincare, teeth whitening) all this gives a huge confidence boost 4. And the best thing for me was traveling solo, I was scared shitless, literally. I took like 8 nervous poops the day I left and had multiple panic attacks. I kinda found my "yolo" mindset after landing which has helped a lot with depression and it forced me to talk to random people which helped a lot with my social anxiety. I wouldn't say I'm 100% cured me but life is a lot better these days. Good luck anon, treat this like your life depends on it because it does

>>49964729
If you travelled through a few African countries there are a lot of hot African bitches that would be super excited to meet white incels from America etc. Goes for most third world countries.....woman just want men that can support them. Western woman don't need mens support or brought up to believe they don't need it. Hence they go for top 10 percent of guys. Western men just need to travel outside of the Western bubble. You will find some high quality woman.

>>49964817
so much this, my exact experience. I'm now 30 and I regret not doing this years ago, I wish someone told me

>>49964817
>engaged to a seamonkey
It’s over

>>49964331
Hey man. I was like you till 25. Then i got self employed, started weight lifting, eating more, getting bulk. I forced myself to go out and do normie things.
Now im 31, had sex with 3 different women the last 6 months, can fuck 3 to 4 times a day, am fit as never before - body and mind. Im financially indipendent and can live my life as i want to. You are still young, use the coming years to better yourself. Meditate, read books, force yourself ro do things with peopley train hard ans get your finances right. The rest will come.

>>49964570
thats what boomers say to kick zoomers out of the house retard

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>>49964331
Same but 39y.

>>49964331
your problem is you never had a role model/mentor. that’s hard to fix since people like that are hard to come by, but for now just work on your speaking skill. the easiest way is to stay at a hostel somewhere, go to the common area and ask questions about what to do in town. it takes a couple of years to get good at talking, but then you’ll always be able to shill yourself.

>>49964406
>fix your diet, fix your microbiome, fix your body with gym/sports and focus on your hobbies/ things that make you happy. once you feel better, shit will just start lining up without much effort or thinking.
Already done all of this and nothing changed, though I spend less time on this site now
>>49964429
>dude just grow up bro

>>49964570
that’s not true at all. i was a christ-cuck in my early 20s, incel in my late 20s, and slayer in my 30s.

>>49965008
can you redpill me about the christ thing?
I'm kind of interested in going that route

>>49964331

>>49964331
fuck man im 58 years old and have never kissed a girl in my life. still a virgin too

>>49964405
Kek

I am 33, and idk. I kinda just gave up on it. I went on a couple of dates in my lifetime and chatted several cuties, i always tought being a decent and nice person is enough but its not. You have to be a normie goy and just copy what everybody else does to get a gf. OP you probably live in USA? Believe me its better to have money and be lonely than be completely broke without any skills and working dead end jobs. I dont even know why i dont blow my brains out. I did everything to self improve but that was never enough, i dont blame anybody i just wish i didnt existed

>>49964331
go back

>>49965063
>screenshotting your own post
giga cringe

>>49964331
Try to do solo activities that take you outdoors, like motorcycling or rock climbing.
Also are you hideous or have you difficulties making small talk? I know I’m hideous and it makes it hard to live a fulfilling life.
I gotta tell you though, many people live their entire life one bad day away from killing themselves. The only reason you ask yourself these questions now is because you’re now confronting your previous life with the apparent normality of your current life.

>>49965226
no

>>49965238
> Also are you hideous or have you difficulties making small talk?

I am average looking, 6ft
Yes I suck at small talk, but I can somewhat talk now given I work in sales

>>49964405
It’s about the limit where there are still things to enjoy? Older than that and you’re basically waging until you can retire.

>>49964331
Your life sounds as bad as it must feel. Perhaps seek a therapist would be my advise. I'd avoid meds at all costs because they can fuck you up badly and may only appear to be helping by being zonked out by SSRIs acting like what you think normal is until you can't get off them.

Just be very weary of people, there are tonnes of final fantasy house types running friends circles at your age. If it feels wrong it probably is. I moved out of a hellish family situation into an equally hellish houseshare with idiots too deep into a budding little sociopaths web. I actually left that house after 6 weeks and felt a bit like shit but like 90% realised what was happenning because I had actual friends around to reassure me it wasn't me.

>>49964347
OP is a fucking bored larper who spends all day dreaming these up. It's the same guy that posts the anxious frog with the unusual admissions. No idea why he does it. Obvs gets something out of the reactions. His imagination would be better employed writing a novel or something, instead of creating these short fantasies which will soon be forgotten. I suppose the constant feedback is what he craves, and this would be lacking if he wrote a boo. Still, perhaps he'll get bored with this one day and move forward. That would be nice.

>>49965282
>Your life sounds as bad as it must feel
Sorry, I meant your life doesn't sound as bad as it must feel.

But in my case, having your own space where even if you aren't 'best buddies' with your flat mates, fucking great. At least rent is paid and there is a mutual respect. There's a basis there for adult relationships.

>>49964384
the exact opposite is true. my anxiety/depression only decreased AFTER i turned 40 and my t levels plummeted.
>just be angry and horny all the time bruh!
yeah, nah

>>49965264
Then how come you can’t get a date?

>>49964570
Thats wrong, I changed a lot since 23/24. Now 34.
I've always felt very aspie my whole life, I can pass as normal after spending lots of time improving myself. I'm sure you're on the same journey.

>>49964406
Listen to this, guys peak early/mid 30's. The best years of your life are definitely ahead. I'm making the most of it whilst I can since I'm at my peak.
If you eat healthy, go to the gym (unironically get 1-2 PT sessions a week to build muscle), you WILL get "the eyes" from random attractive girls when you talk to them. It will be something tiny like a glance and a smile from the cashier, but it will make your whole fucking week. Your confidence will quickly rise.

If you really feel you have to, see a therapist but don't dig yourself into a well of pity and self doubt. Just get out there.

>>49964331
>There is no one who will possibly would put me under the wings and teach me shit.
what is philosophy?

>>49964384
yeah but gyno

>>49964331
>I am a 23 yo virgin hermit.
Who cares zoomer faggot.
>Spend age 13-22 in total reclusion.
Highly doubt this seeing how you are forced into school for most of those years and if you were in "reclusion" your parents didn't give a fuck so the state would know you weren't attending school.
>I moved out of there, lived in some dorm for some time, now live with other roommates.
Whos paying for this? Magic people? How are you getting money if your parents didn't give a fuck about you to begin with?
>I never had a job, and now got one. After sleeping in for years I now have to be reliable
You retarded fuckhead you are fucking 23 fucking years old. Normally people do not get jobs till they are around 18-20. Yeah there are some younger ones who do but the average is around 18 and even then most kids go to college now and don't get a job till afterwards.
>The thing to all of this is I am still functionally depressed.
Yeah so what? So am I.
>I never made friends with my roommates or can relate with them.
I haven't had friends since I was 14yrs old.
>I can work with my coworkers but that’s it.
lmao thats because 99% of co-workers will NEVER be your friend and why most people over fucking 30yrs old never have friends anymore. Its because work is fucking work people don't have time to hang out with you.
>I guess I have a lot of stress all through the day because I have untreated social anxiety
Working to wage slave forever at a min-wage job is fucking stupid and anxiety riddled hell. You taking yourself out and putting yourself into a fucking retarded normie situation just proves you are the lowest of IQ faggots. NEET life is the best life.
> can’t still make friends, or enjoy working,
AS I said above you will never enjoy work and 99% of the time you'll never have a friend after you leave college unless you attend some kind of hobby class or online.

>>49965004
>dude just grow up bro
it literally is that simple
stop worrying about retarded shit like vagina
stop looking at /pol/ and the news
start taking things seriously
most people never manage it but it's fucking easy if you actually work up the balls to do it
seriously if the lack of pussy in your life is some debilitating issue to you then you're a fucking teenager
this is not an important thing and until you have a real job and money a family is off the table anyway

>>49964331
>>49965472
>>or be able to meet girls or find the first girlfriend for me.
Its the easiest thing for zoomers now days who cares about 0 game. You can be a literal retard and go onto discord /r9k/s or /soc/ or something and find some girl who is interested in dating/sex/whatever. Do you have any idea how many 18+ girls on discord have asked me and I'm fuckin 36yr old obese ugly retard neet. You just have to talk. I've got social anxiety badly.
>I am thinking to just move back to my parents and start my on my business or trade again.
This is what you should have done in the very beginning you retard.

>>49965386
I mostly deal with boomers and middle aged women at work
I have a nice guy demeanor and somehow make it work

Again I don’t think I will possibly ever exceed at it.
You just can’t fake your way into zoomer game though. Girls my age expect hyper socialized giga chads to just talk with them. Just asking open end questions doesn’t work. You need to excude witty chad energy to talk with zoomer girls

Also I work all day and don’t meet girls my age

>>49965517
>Girls my age expect hyper socialized giga chads to just talk with them.
That's absolute fucking bullshit if you don't want the normie social girls look in places that have not so normal girls.

>>49965561
>That's absolute fucking bullshit if you don't want the normie social girls look in places that have not so normal girls.

Yeah porn definitely ruined me and I have unrealistic standards.
I just couldn’t talk with girls in high school, couldn’t talk with them in university before I dropped out

I had low self worth and can’t even put myself in the position that another girl would like to hear my viewpoints.
I don’t really things anything changed

>>49965614
* I don’t really think anything has changed

>>49965614
>Yeah porn definitely ruined me and I have unrealistic standards.
lol thats bullshit excuse because once a girl show interest in you. You'll jump onto it. I've been watching porn since I was fuckin 14-15yrs old im 36yrs old now.
>I just couldn’t talk with girls in high school,
neither did I. I'm an absolute sperg i just stopped giving a shit.
>couldn’t talk with them in university before I dropped out
stop looking in places that aren't going to have girls who are into what you are. As far as the rest of what you are saying you are just not willing to look so whats the point in even discussing that point?

>>49964429
this is probably the most reasonable advice i've seen in this board for a long fucking time.
Nowadays people like to make college seem like a woke piece of shit. But if you can go, you should go, at the end of the day you only listen and pay attention to who you want.

>>49965517
You're thinking of club sluts who like that. There are just as many awkward as fuck zoomer girls out there. You're comparing yourself against an ideal which doesn't make sense for you to compare against.

First step for your improoovement is gym.

>>49964331
>Or should I get into therapy and take meds to try to get more functional?

Medication may or may not be necessary but if you feel it is warranted you should seek professional help anon. It sounds like you have difficulty taking any social challenges because of your untreated anxiety. I think you're doing a fantastic job getting yourself out of your comfort zone, so good for you - that's a major step most don't dare to take.

However, consider thst you are like a man with a broken leg seeking to expose yourself more to the outdoors. You could still go to the park and hang out, but ultimately the leg needs to heal before you can go on a hike. Medication and therapy are like a cast for your broken leg. They don't stay forever, but help you heal and get where you need to be so you can go do the things you want to do.

Good luck and godspeed. Seek purpose not for others and for society, but for yourself.

>>49964331
Get professional help, there is something wrong with you. Maybe something happened in your childhood which influences the way you act today. Good luck

I studies comp sci and there were people having the same interest like me and there I found friends and a wife and now a kid.

Get educated. Also stop hating people helps.

>>49965734
To add, don’t talk to anyone on the internet. People are nutcases online. Pic related

>>49965641
>lol thats bullshit excuse because once a girl show interest in you.

I had one girl in my life actively pursue me, but I was to autistic, she lost interest and it never happened for me ever again
It has been 6years. At this point I think It was my only shot and I fucked up

>>49965770
there are always girls you dipshit it doesnt even mean if she pursues you it just means shes somewhat interested. Stop thinking that it even matters. Just act like a deranged degen and some zoomer girl will like you.

>>49965771
thats fucking bullshit because if you do lone wolf shit eventually people will be drawn to you or come into your life if you actually do things. Even if its minor shit that is what happened to me personally /pol/ and normie faggots that not everyone fits into there gay lil world view.

>>49964570
40 is when it starts to become difficult. You can ALWAYS change, you just become less plastic as you age.

>>49964331
Yeah, cool bro.
You gonna eat that pie?

>>49965004
>Already done all of this and nothing changed

no you fucking didn't you fucking liar. god i hate people like you, wallowing in self-pity. congrats you took advantage of an anonymous website to lie on the internet, though.

>>49965517
see:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n5nOEJtrYA
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av268MLZ_BE

if this dude got someone, you have zero excuse.

>>49965771
>>49965771
>Go out
Where? This shit is always repeated but I can't think of a single social hobby I can do. I've been drumming for the past 8 months so I'm not good enough to be in a band. I thought of joining a boxing gym soon but it's mostly teens and children.
Reading books could be social but in my country book clubs are 95% online, so I might as well go to /lit/.
I'm going to start a coding bootcamp soon, but again, it's over zoom.

How am I supposed to follow the ''go out'' advice if there's no where to go?

>>49965771
Nonsense, if you try to make friends while you're still fat/skinny, uneducated, and giving off beta rays because you spend the last week fapping to degenerate porn, you'll either not make friends or make friends with other people who are like you are currently. Lone self improvement is the first step of the process, and some people are just loners. I have zero desire to spend time with anyone other than my gf and occasionally my family. I stopped seeing all my friends 5 years ago because they were time sinks with no ambition, and it's because they were no longer wasting my time that I was able to improve myself and meet my gf. Not everyone is an oversocialized city dweller that panics when away from the "hustle and bustle". If you have friends that have similar goals to you and actually want you to improve as well as improving themselves, that's great and a massive help, but that fact is in the world of the Last Man, most connections are not worth making.

Why would I go force conversation with some normie instead of coming on here and having stimulating discussion on whatever topic I feel like with large amounts of like minded people? This option wasn't available to any civilization in history, and once you're used to talking with people like you, you can't just go back to pretending to care about sportsball or netflix.

>>49966032
Become a glider pilot, greatest sport ever, many good people there - can't be done online

>>49964401
IQ fellow anon?

>>49964406
>4406
This is it. You won't attract good people into your life unless you have your own life in good order. You're doing well, you've made progress....but you're not at the end.

Keep going. The gym has changed my attractiveness by at least 3 points on a /10 scale. It's given me way more confidence too which you need for friends and girls and work.

Self-improvement, though it is always said here, really is the key. But you have to continuously improve. If you stop you lose.

Becoming an expert at something and becoming good at other things makes you interesting

Keep going, mna. Don't give up. I recommend a personal trainer, a huge commitment to diet, reading and deciding even if you look stupid sometimes to just do things anyway.

>>49964366
Same but 26 yo. :A

>>49966032
Volunteer at a park / nature reserve / woodland. It's good exercise, quiet, most people there are likely to be introverts, and any woman that picks helping maintain a green area over helping muh refugees or raising money to get Ukrainian transgender people free dilators is far less likely to be a degenerate roastie. That's how I met my gf, literally the first time I went we hit it off and have been dating since. You'll have to deal with a lot of old people being there though unfortunately.

Get your testosterone levels checked by a professional, most men don't have a reference point for high because they'll never have experienced high test due to dietary and environmental factors lowering test on all fronts. If it's below 500 you need to make an attempt to change your lifestyle in ways that will raise your levels naturally (lifting, eating in a caloric surplus, not watching porn / masturbating, vitamin D, zinc, sunlight, long walks in nature etc). After a few months of this, get checked again and if there's no increase, seek TRT. If you have the funds / income it's advisable to freeze some sperm beforehand in case of it causing problems with fertility, but there are ways to mitigate that, plenty of roided up strongmen have had kids after coming off it.

Also don't listen to the people telling you to get professional help, therapy will not alter your external circumstances and will likely end up with you either being given drugs or some horse shit breathing exercises followed by "just don't be depressed bro" by some 90 IQ roastie who thinks testosterone is evil. If you feel like you might need professional help, unironically just learn psychology yourself then take shrooms, fixed years of PTSD and depression in a two hour trip that "professional help" had just made more hopeless. A trip accompanied by a "mystical experience" (defined by the subject) has been shown to increase openness to experience by one standard deviation, often permanently.

I am 28 years old and I never even kissed a girl

>>49964401

you sound like me anon. Absolutely crushing when I got old enough to realize my superior complex was fake and built up as a defense mechanism because I am actually no more important or better than anyone else

It's really not that hard.
Manifest this image. Also consider moving to Vietnam or Thailand or Amsterdam. Fuck some women and get some confidence

Anyway seems like you care way too much about this shit which is the problem

>>49966071
>Why would I go force conversation with some normie instead of coming on here and having stimulating discussion on whatever topic I feel like with large amounts of like minded people? This option wasn't available to any civilization in history, and once you're used to talking with people like you, you can't just go back to pretending to care about sportsball or netflix.

this is so true it hurts. the internet in general and 4chan more specifically has ruined me. no matter how specific the niche, i can find communities of people discussing exactly what im interested in. not only that, but due to the text format, i can take as much time as i need to formulate how i want to phrase my ideas. what i look like doesn't matter, how i talk or how my voice sounds doesn't matter. since even on other forums where you need a user name, you're still basically anonymous (being xXx_420pussyslay3r_xXx doesn't connect to your real life name or reputation at all), you can say what you actually think without any real worry about reprisal compared to real life. i can say "nigger" here and no one gives a shit. even on other websites where i can't say that, i can still say i voted for Trump and not worry about being labeled as something or having my career ruined or having some asshole activist come after me and slash my tires or try to burn my house down or something, who fucking knows. online, all that matters is the content of my posts. if i say some dumb shit, people will tell me. if i say some smart shit, people will tell me. and this works for everyone else too, so in general you get a lot more honesty and a lot less holding back due to social norms or fears related to people's reputations. people can say what they think, even if they say terrible or ignorant shit, it's still what they honestly think most of the time. even if they're trolling, that's still basically who they really are inside. "the real world" is the opposite of this, for the most part.

>>49966321

There's a lot of people mocking here, but nowadays, there's so much fucked up shit in the world... there's not a lot of work available in everyplace, and most of times there's no one whiling to help or advice people around irl.

I'm 25, trying to do better, and get myself in a position where I can be independent, but is not that easy and hearing everyone talking about it makes me feel motivated.

Like another anon said, better sort out and try to do better now than waking up 33yo and finding myself helpless. Hope you all the best.

>>49964868
wtf, this is something else... that thing about white woman, kinda true.

>>49964938
Very nice comment, thanks annon.

>>49964964
Force annon, even if you're older you still can try to improve and makes thing better.

>>49965095
I hope it doesn't hurt you that much.

>>49964430
Im pretty sure its Turkish Radio and Television corporation

Same, but 17-26yo

>>49964570
>People rarely change after 25
No you're just an American mutt.
My cousin used to pop percocet and oxytocin every hour on the hour, one day he's wife said either sober up or she's taking the kids.
Dude doesn't even touch cigarettes now a days.
Fuck sake, I used to drink a handle every couple of day, now? I can't drink more than a few mixers without falling asleep and feeling like shit.
People change, mutts don't.

>>49964570
>It’s easier to make new men instead of fix broken ones
Typical American, it's easier to forget people and walk out in people than build bridges and fix relationships.
Fixed that for your dumbass.
>I would rather walk out on my family than stick by my family.
Literally American mutts.

>>49964729
Most look better than that picture.
>t.leaf.

even though I've always been a loser outcast, in my teens and 20s at least I had some friends, dated a bit, was at least somewhat normal. but after I turned thirty I fell into a dark abyss. lost contact with all of my friends, started using drugs to cope with the loneliness, 4chan replaced my social life, turned to escorts and porn to get my sexual needs met. Now I'm 41 and have been living like this for a decade, and feel completely trapped. I want to escape from this hole I've dug but feel like there's no realistic way out so instead just keep digging myself deeper because it seems like the best possible option. At my age it feels like it's too late. I wouldn't even know where to start

>>49964868
Hear hear, even trailer trash in Canada want a Brad Pitt.

>>49965517
American women are dumb and single due to their own hubris and egotistical nature.
Leave the west.

>>49965561
>look in places that have not so normal girls.
Yeah and those girls still have high as fuck standards.
>>49965972
Shut the fuck up, I'm not watching that video, I bet it's fake too.

Communists need to die

>>49965034
Jesus is Lord of the heavens and Earth, and is quite possibly Lucifer.

>>49966753
>Yeah and those girls still have high as fuck standards.
no they dont some of them do sure but you arent going for the types you think that have like 44905345 guys msging them. You gotta also think you prob got high af standards as well

>>49966071
>giving off beta rays because you spend the last week fapping to degenerate porn,
I've literally busted nuts before work and still make small talk, it's all in your head.

>>49966321
>being xXx_420pussyslay3r_xXx doesn't connect to your real life name or reputation at all),
Good, I don't want my reputation from Canada following me, I left home for a reason.

>>49964331
seek God, abstain from women for now.

>>49966357
That picture is bullshit, I've been banned for saying racist shit.
You guys are full of shit.

>>49966719
Next time do drugs with other drugs users and listen to rave music.

How do you get out and meet girls once you have a 9-5 wagie job? Every day I go home from work to my cold apartment

I was like you in my early 20's, a social outcast and people fed me the same BS about "you have your whole life ahead". Well here I am about 20 years later and nothing fundamentally has changed.
That's just how it will be for some of us social awkward guys, a life alone, only women can be socially awkward and accepted by society.

>>49966811
this is the cycle I'm stuck in too
>go work, it's always the same people never meet new ppl
>go home
>to tired to do anything

>>49966765
You're wrong, notch count is at 50, been getting laid since I was 14, American women are such an uphill battle its not worth chasing skirt, fuck sake I've gotten blow jobs in public and no one in Canada would bat an eye.

>>49966853
how do you do it?

>>49966765
>You gotta also think you prob got high af standards as well
I've fuck junkie and smoke meth, retard.
Americans don't like sex, you have the highest standards.
I got laid behind a dumpster at a bar called doolys because a girl asked me for a light.
You're a dumbass.

>>49966765
>but you arent going for the types you think
I fuck hookers and do cocaine, plebiscite.

>>49964331
Therapy. Random internet strangers won't help you even if we all wanted to. You need some real human interaction and even though psychologists are basically nosex whores, being able to talk with someone that (at least financially speaking) is interested in listening to you can get you through your issues. Godspeed you anon, I hope you can find peace of mind

>>49966932
What the fuck is wrong with you.

>>49966853
lmao ok kiddo the women you pick are fucking dog shit and the girls this guy is gonna go after aren't any near stacey as you describe. However im pretty sure you are larping.
>>49966872
>>49966878
this is some seriously cringe faggot larp zoomer fuckhead. Don't you got some feuntes to watch? maybe some catboys or something to suck off?

>>49965614
lol we are pretty similar

>>49966822
>>49966811
use the internet but look for subjects like you and try to find them that way. never said it was easy

>>49965286
My english is shit, I can't write a novel, I don't even know where I would start improving it.

Don't take advice from 4chan. 99% of people here don't have genuine life experience and probably still live with their parents.

>>49967255
Kind of based, but then again, I never met any of you, so this could be true, or it could be just the voices in your head. Sometimes (and this maybe dissociation idk), but sometimes I have the impression that the whole internet is dead, like it's a couple hundred people writing cements and what not, and the rest are bots.

>>49967255
Like the movies, I mean, how can every movie have the same plot now days? And I'm not talking about the mainstream new agenda, etc, etc, no, I actually like to watch movies that are not so popular, even some indie movies at times. Very rare to find new movies, it's all generated in the same day. Like when studios do the same movie and publish 6 months one year apart to see which one has a better reception so they can make a franchise. But I feel like they do this all the time now, like all machine generated.

>>49964369
Im decently poor now that blowoftop didnt come in late 2021, seriously concidering jumping school and wagecuck in mickidees if there is gonna be a new bull run soon-ish kek

>>49965095
>im 58 years old

>>49964331

Listen man. The late teens and early 20s cen be euphoric. You are at the initial peek of the dunning-kruger effect and havent fallen into the valley of despair. As a result the mid and late 20s can be an awful time mentally in life. You have to option to look back on your early 20s and dwell on the facts you missed out on a lot, or you could put it behind you and focus on the future. Go full cocoon mode until 27 or 28 and come out of it as a rich chad. Women in their early 20s absolutely loose their when they meet an attractive man in their late 20s who are financially well off, you only have to be minimally attractive to be swimming in pussy.

I was fucking 22 year olds when I 30 just because I had a house with a guest bed and a garage to park my car in. You can go back but you can always plan ahead anon

>>49964331
>There is no point in working if I can’t get any of that
That's why most people here are NEETs. Getting women is the core motivation of men's efforts on this planet. Once you realize you don't really need women in your life, you don't have motivation for literally anything. Why bother doing anything if you're actively seeking pussy?

>>49967451
*if you're not seeking

>>49967451
If you will be so kind Sir. Would you mind expanding that line of thinking please?
Thank you in advance Sir.

>>49964331
You’re such a bitch. Stfu and workout

>>49964384
What about NAC heard it should be good for anxiety and OCD

>>49967238
>that webm
KEK

>>49964331
Sry bro but you got a lot of suffering ahead of you, you need to suffer more, only when you hit the absolute bottom then you can be enlightened and learn to not give a single fuck. I went through what you had now I am a complete sigma male, I walk my dog in my underwear because it’s comfortable for example, other people don’t even exist to me, I just do what I like and my life has gotten much better. I am not bounded to the desires of what normies are and I couldn’t give a fuck about things like social status and getting women and making friends. I live in my world, I am not influenced by societal expectations or others, I am confident and live life the way I want. It takes most people until they are old to get to this point but we can get there sooner and enjoy the liberation that comes with it

>>49964331
>Spend age 13-22 in total reclusion.
>I missed a lot of experiences and lived in my head, spending all my time on the internet.
Same, although I’m 21. How many people like us do you think are there? I would like to believe I’m not alone. But I’m the only person in my school who I know was a total recluse. Sometimes I feel like something’s just wrong with me, why is it that I seemed to struggle with things that come naturally to other people.

>>49967472
Imagine you want a girlfriend. You want to make a good impresion on her. What'd you do? You cut your hair and/or beard in a way that's fashionable. You dress in a smart way to make sure she will have a positive opinion about you. You'll try to engage into an interesting conversation. Tell her what you do to make a living, probably hobbies. Flirt a little, testing the waters. Make her laugh. Be or sound confident. Otherwise women won't be impressed that much---the point is you need to put a lot of effort if you always have women validation in mind. Sometimes nothing interesting happens in your life or you don't know what to talk about, you try to fix that so you have things to talk about with her, whether you like it or not. Probably watch a cringe series in netflix or reading a trash book so you both can talk about something. Suppose you want to marry and have a family. You'll work towards that goal probably your whole life. You'll get a job. You realize you to live in a good apartment, having a nice car, maybe getting a second job or side hustle. But you'll always have a woman as a motivation in your head, whether to gain access to her pussy, or to maximizing your chances of get a decent wife which will fill any criteria you have and leave offspring.

But if you quit women altogether, you soon find you don't really need to work that hard, you don't need to dress to impress anyone, you cut your hair the way you see fit, you'll start living a frugal life, maybe pursuing some hobbies or educating yourself in a variety of subjects. Self-development. But...you'll never have a strong motivation to do anything. Maybe something will catch your interest a while, but you'll soon forget it. You will have a life avoiding things you don't really want to do. Most people enslave themselves and get into horrible debts just to have money to impress women. A life of consumerism. They have a banal yet strong motivation (the cunny) to do things. And you don't

>>49964331
Do you know how the gym works?
Everything else is exactly the same:
You pretend to be nice to people and talkative and eventually you'll grow used to it, but it does take time.
If you expect to build muscle overnight, then you better adjust your brain to reality or start taking juice.

>>49964331
Raw cacao hot drinks morning and night instead of coffee
Produces serotonin, reduces anxiety and has an effect similar to runners high.

Would also suggest drinking kefir everyday.
dopamine and serotonin is produced in your gut, thats where the chemical factory is. Good bacteria are both the machinery and the workers that actual produce it. Keep your gut bacteria in peak condition so your body produces the optimum CNS chemicals it needs.

If you have a shit diet, do too many substances like alcohol or tobacco or been on medications even just antibiotics you've fucked up your gut biome and it's never gone back to optimum.

>>49967641
Where you get the money from?

>>49964331
Buy signal

>>49966276
You can kiss me anon

>>49964331
My recommendation.
1- Go to a psychologist. Many times it doesn't work, but if you find a good one it can really help you, if possible get a female psychologist, it will help you with your social anxiety around women and will guide you a bit in your life.
2- DON'T TAKE MEDS, it doesn't help you, you can't grow if you take meds to block parts of your brain.
3- Delete dating apps, never used them again, it will only fuck up your self steem.
4- Try to find communities online about your own hobbies. That helped me a lot, I couldn't talk with people 6 years ago, even online. But I found a group of dudes playing games online, they pushed me to talk into a voice chat and eventually I grew out of that fear of meeting new people and talking to them, even in real life.
5- Always try to be personal with people, share things like you are sharing them in here. That always helped me to filter good to bad people, and I found out that women actually like that, to meet the "real" me. Also, thats where interesting conversations starts.

I was a neet with no friends, now I'm a pseudo neet. I have my own income, don't go out a lot on my own, have many friends online that actually talk to everyday and have a gf that actually loves me, my highschool crush that after many years searched for me on social media and after a few months talking we started dating, 3 years now.

>>49964331
>https://youtu.be/zC9Lme6H_V8

I'm willing to be there are a legion of women out there who have never had sex proportionally to the amount of incel men.

>>49964331
Man that pizza looks bland af fr bruh even though it's probably trying to be fancy neopolitan pizza it still falls into a shitty $1 boardwalk pizza category. Ask me anything I've seen every Dave Portnoy video

>>49964331
>I never had a job, and now got one.

Dude I wouldn't worry, 20's is where we develop psychologically into mature adults.
The best advice that can be given is stay in work, and you will see yourself change, its called character building.

Anyone else out there who is down, get a job, doesn't matter what it is as long as you're ok with it.
Interacting with other people will make you grow in good ways.

.t gardener, sure its manual labour but fuck I love being outside every day being able to make gardens look kino

fuck construction where you're working for a massive corp and treated like a cog

>>49968220
are you self employed?

>>49967756
This is very interesting, in a way you are saying that woman is the ultimate jailer. I don't think you are wrong though. Not much to do hey?
I mean yes, you can do anything you want, but like you said what's the motivation to do that? Kek. This is something, this is interesting, what's the solution desu?

>>49964331
yo sick blog!

>>49968261
I think the theory isn't complete.
You don't study philosophy or ride motorcycles for pussy (if you do godspeed, those activities only attract other men) sometimes you do the things you do in life because you seek self-fulfilment
If you're play it safe Nate your whole life and you never once go to another country, meet new people, study history, discuss happenings, what are you? A sack of meat living in the comforts of post-industrial society but without any context of what it means to be human from another vantage point.
The actions and activities you do are your own to make, no doubt, but there's something to be said about the perceptiveness and emotional maturity of someone who's done things in their life and someone who hasn't left the state they were born in and kills time playing videogames, arguing with retards on the internet, and masturbating.
Both are valid human beings. Neither lifestyle is more right or wrong. But I think growing your understanding of the possibilities of life by participating in it is more fulfilling than not.

>>49968410
I get your point, but and I maybe wrong here, I don't think the anon that proposed this theory was talking about hobbies or these kind of activities, as he proposes, raising a family, building a family may take a lifetime, why would you dedicate yourself to a lifelong craft if not for statues, power, money, recognition? What would be the fire to be doing something for years on end if not for those things?

To just do it. Read about neuroscience our brain's whole reward system is wired to seek new experiences. That's what dopamine is actually there for. If you work for a goal you'll either get depressed when you don't achieve it or after you achieve it. When you do it just for the pleasure of it you be in dopamine flywheel which will get to on the road to Mastery....

Everything else is just cheap, mass produced dopamine rushes which last short and will leave you more empty than before

>>49968501
I think the journey itself? Recognition by intelligent peers is more satisfying than some roastie being impressed with your paycheck tbqh.
Doing something challenging for the sake of it. Perhaps in some cases people may have higher callings to serve their community perhaps as an ER doctor. I think there's loads of reasons why people grind on a craft.

Also it falls apart when you have mfs like Tim Cook. He's certainly not driven by pussy lol

>>49968647
^^ this guy beat me to it and offered another perspective

>>49968695

>>49964369
>Only way this life will be fair/worth it is if I get rich in the next run (came close last year).
spoiler alert: your life will still suck when you're rich
you alone determine your happiness once you have a certain amount of money (and it ain't that much sorry)

>>49968684
>>49968695
With all do respect, I think it's all bullshit, really having "mastery", yeah, it won't be fun or be motivated by dopamine spikes or whatever, it will be grinding and terribly boring most of the time, doing the same things to improve something ridiculous, if not by what I described, money, power, recognition, status etc. Idk why anyone would do it.
>t. actually spend 6 years working on a project and saw what it takes to "master" something, I was no where near it, and to be honest I'm still a little burned out.

>>49964331
you have to die before you die to regain positivity. read eckhart tolle

>>49964331
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>>49968788
>spoiler alert: your life will still suck when you're rich
having been a (relatively) rich man and having been a very poor man I can say with absolute confidence that this is total bullshit
Baseline it will suck WAY, WAY less when you're rich

>>49964543
Then keep trying new things till you find something that excites you. I didn’t know I wanted to make a life in the blockchain field till I delved more into it. But before that I was floundering for almost a decade out of college taking on fleeting and menial jobs.

>>49964331
Do you masturbate? If so, stop.

>>49968841
>>49968842
>>49968843
STFU THIS IS A SPAMMERBOT YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS ALSO NEED TO KYS FOR REPLYING FFS THIS BOARD IS DEADER THAN DEAD GOD DAMN YOU FAGGOTS

>>49968856
I'm also a spammerbot and you're replying to me.

I feel the same way. I've tried lifting, church, and all the other self improvement shit and it doesn't really get better. It's hard to connect with people and make friends. Finding a woman is twice as hard. Honestly I get pretty jealous of all the anons on here with good lives and a nice family. I feel like some are just luckier than others and we have to accept that fact. Where are you from if you dont mind sharing?

>>49968813
Listen to Huberman Lab. Whole episode about the mechanics of dopamine, motivation etc. and how to use it for your benefit

Sure a Stanford educated Scientist doesn't know his stuff.

Rather listen to alpha male x-tard on YouTube telling me I need staaaatus to attract female (what normal person talks like that?)

>>49964331
Why do i get the feeling you had your dick in your hands when you wrote this.

Anywas, (((society))) is a meme, a currency generating prison camp. The Matrix was a documentary. Any girl that judges you based on your (((social standing))) isnt a girl worth having....which eliminates like 97% of group alone. You sound petty based, but for the love of God stay away from any psychiatrist or meds. Having a normal reaction to a shitty society and the Central Banking Slave system is not the same as being genuinely depressed.

>>49968254
Nope, but honestly anyone who works a year or two would pick up enough to start the own company.
No reason anyone couldn't after a year and seeing all the seasons and have the motivation to learn extras.

>>49965034
You still around here? What do you want to know, i got all the answer.
>t. Saved since 7 years back, King James Bible-believer

>>49969067
does it get you girls though?

Iphone Spammer has literally 10 active threads all he does is spam the board all fucking day so nobody can make a thread and mods allow this god damn bullshit.

>>49964331
>Or should I get into therapy and take meds to try to get more functional?
You are probably a good candidate for behavioral therapy. You sound like you lack an understanding of how basic human interactions work, and that is something you can (slowly) learn. You also have some unhealthy psychological thought patterns that appropriately-delivered cognitive behavioral therapy can ameliorate.

See a non-woke, MALE psychotherapist (important). These are a bit difficult to find, but they're out there.

Realistically it will take you several years to learn to function socially. You are the psychological equivalent of a morbidly obese 400 lb patient, so it's going to take you a while to return to a psychologically healthy outlook. Having a job and having roommates is a good start, even though you may find them difficult.

>>49964331
You got a job now there will be some hotties that work there. Take up the courage to say how are you, then talk about the weather and what they did over the weekend, etc. Now you have a gf and all of your problems are solved.

>>49968261
In a way, you could say that. The ultimate jailer. But also the strongest motivation in life for a man. At least for the 90% two digits IQ vast majority of the population find their primary motivation in the pussy, and who wouldn't? Sexual gratification is positive and rewarding. About finding motivation is not that hard to find. Imagine all you could do in your life if you really put serious effort and have the time. You could play guitar in a highly decent level. Open your legs 180 degrees like Van Damme. Get your body ripped. Play chess like a pro. Become an expert in an area of knowledge. The problem is probably and/or eventually you'll lose interest, even if you have the strongest of discipline.

Keeping the motivation, not to lose interest, oh boy, that's the hard part. But maybe you'll find something that'll interest you your whole life, who knows. Life is full of possibilities