/biz/ - Business & Finance

he sucked jewish baby cock just like his inbred pappy

>>49739590
Marxist theory is somewhat based on paper. But practical application is cringe and never works out. Why? Because normshits are selfish to the core.

everything after Kant and Kierkegaard was a mistake, endless talk of ethics and post-structuralist bullshit is made irrelevant by both.

>>49739590
>this autist again

His analysis of the capitalist system is spot on. I disagree with his solutions tho

>>49739713
No, it's a meme. Capitalism has brought crazy amount of people from poverty in just this decade.

>>49739590
He was a fucking idiot
>>49739618
So are you
>>49739713
Are you retarded? Seek help
>>49739742
>Capitalism has brought crazy amount of people from poverty in just this decade.
This

>>49739590
Yep.

>>49739742
Capitalism works to take people out of poverty and into some form of wealth storage but it eventually evolves into a monster that strips wealth away from the very people it initially helped.
A lot of people say high taxes are a socialist idea because it is redistributing wealth but tell me, when we saw Boris Johnson (the CONSERVATIVE prime minister of the UK) bailing out airline corporations with taxpayers money, do you really think it is socialism? They save their own asses whilst telling the general public to think twice before taking 2 weeks off work to enjoy the summer, they tell them to decide whether to heat their homes or eat.
The adage "socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor" does apply but its an over simplification of what is really happening. Capitalism in the end resembles Communism but it has a facade of freemarket enterprise surrounding it which it browbeats the general public with ad nauseum.

>>49739776
Marx's analyses and activism in Europe's early labor movements were necessary. His writings were important as a historical tool. However you look like a retard trying to apply his original works to the present day, there's other Marxists that have came after him that are doing that for him.
I don't worship Marx but he played a necessary role in history, agitation for worker's rights is why our middle class is as sustainable as it is.

>>49739590
it's true

>>49739776
His analysis on capitalism WERE spot on you absolute monkey. Even later fascists agreed with it. If you don't know this, it means you obviously haven't read the book, thus you're an imbecile since you lack any argument.

>>49739860
>some crooks tax you and redistribute your money to their friends
that's socialism

>>49740388
So we live in a socialist system?

i read the communist manifesto a couple times and it all sounds nice. i still have to read Das Capital though, it's been on my reading backlog for a long time, it's a big ass book and it looks like it might be kinda boring

>>49740115
He was a dumb faggot who predicted that capitalism should lead to rich becoming richer and poor becoming poorer, with the endgame when only a tiny amount of people owns everything.

Meanwhile in reality, 150 years have passed. Half of the economy are small businesses and ultra-rich lose their wealth in a few generations.

If not for the central bank fuckery, his predictions would have sounded even more retarded.

>>49740404
It's a spectrum. USSR under NEP was still socialism even though they allowed some private enterprise.

>>49739590
Pretty much, yeah

>jew predicts turmoil artificially created by other jews

>>49740503
>Meanwhile in reality, 150 years have passed
imagine thinking 150 years mean anything when talking about economic history.
Capitalism has brought crazy amount of people from poverty in just this decade.
>Imagine thinking this is a counter argument to Marx.

You haven't read any of his works did you? Or any economic books for that matter.

>>49739590
kek not a single prediction comes true in 100 years

>low iq commies he was right all the time

>>49739619
what theory? there isn't one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnZ1GFZ0-nU
>guys stop saying crazy religious shit about socialism
>yeah it will all come true but don't say those things

>>49739619
Beign selfish is accounted for in the theory. I never followed this. What about the theory makes being selfish impossible? The implimentations of the 20th centruy were flawed mostly because of centralization and because technology had not yet been created that could sustain economic levels of planning seen in the USSR.

Times are different now.

>>49739590
Yes he was OP, yes he was. He'll be having the last laugh, too.

>>49739713
>His analysis of the capitalist system is spot on.
it didn't exist at the time he made the word up to attack it
>I disagree with his solutions
he didn't offer any
lmao at least you've read just as much marx as marxists have: zero

>>49739742
>>49739776
ITT: Retards who have never read an ounce of marx.

>>49740625
Holy fuck brainlets go.

>>49739590
>Comes up with a “theory”
>Every time it’s tested, it fails
>Barely works on a small scale (like a single house with 4 co-owners), and completely falls apart at any larger scale
Yeah, Communism/socialism is a meme for a reason. It has no basis in reality.

>>49740584
>Imagine thinking this is a counter argument to Marx.
It is. We can wait another 150 years, I don't mind. But the trend is not on his side.

>You haven't read any of his works did you? Or any economic books for that matter.
Marx is not taken seriously by any modern school that teaches economics. At best you can learn it on a philosophical faculty.

>>49740628
>>49740620
The LTV believer is here.

>>49740404
no, you live in a mixed system, where the government is permitted to commandeer the means of production under certain circumstances, but the rules attached to that are thousands of pages long -- but which also has pockets of very real socialism attached to it like a parasite.

>>49740663
lmao nice try crybaby

No he was just wrong. If you want a deboonk of marx just read ludwig von mises' book on socialism.

>>49740669
What is his theory according to you?

>>49739590
We're about that time again where commie shitheads regain power in Latin America, totally destroy their countries in a decade or two, and still there will be people that think this shitty ideology works if only it was done right.

>marxposting on /biz/
IT BEGINS

Anyone in this thread who thinks that Karl Marx's theory was "Basically social democracy" Should literally just kill themselves.

>>49740715
yes well the first book's title is "economic calculation in the socialist commonwealth." you can also read "omnipotent government" as a companion piece.
midwits will find these more approachable than his comprehensive work that's simply titled "socialism"

>>49739590
He himself did small gains on the stock market. Basically modern marxists should try some crypto gambling.

>>49740745
You're too emotional, buddy

Right or wrong, Marx was undeniably a genius. The jury is still out on the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.

>>49740584
>You haven't read any of his works did you?
Why marxistoids always resort to muh reading le book when they have no argument?

>>49740745
Bread Tube and its consequences.

>>49740628
>Never read Marx
So they can speak just as authoritatively as 95% of people (I am being extremely generous with that number) who claim to be Marxists.

>>49740802
>The jury is still out on the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.
https://files.catbox.moe/cfhz2s.webm
2big for /wsg/

>>49740769
He had to constantly resort to asking his friends for handouts. The fact that he also lost money on stock market paints a stereotypical image of a loser.

>>49740754
Fair, regardless socialism has been thoroughly debunked for a century. I can only compare socialists to conspiracy theorists at this point. The biggest swindle of the 20th century

>>49740802
Ah ok, it's another /trannypol/ raid.
>The jury is still out on the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.
>correlation is causation
And as expected they don't know shit about economics.

>>49740628
I've never read an ounce of anything to do with Amazon but I know they're doing a good job because my package arrives on time.

>>49740859
He actually tried to live way out of his means. If he didn't try to be bourgie in lifestyle in England, he could not be in debt all the time.

>>49740672
it's a fact, lmfao. This is just marginal utilist cope.

>>49740388
That's actually called Cronyism, and it's the result of any system where power is centralized behind individuals. Both Socialist and Capitalist systems are corrupted by Cronyism, which evolves into Corporate Neofeudalism if left unchecked.

>>49740956
>This is just marginal utilist cope

>>49740961
Socialism cannot work without centralization, that's why socialism is always cronyism. That's the problem in strictly utilitarian sense, if we forget about all the human rights thing.

>>49740961
>NOT REAL CAPITALISM

The utopian version of capitalism that exists in your head is not possible. Capitalism needs a state to intervene in the economy to keep it from collapsing and the two are inseparable.

Over time how ever the state is obsoleced through the centralization of capital. All shit marx talked about but you people are to afraid of the man to actually read.

>>49740972
Prove me wrong. Marginal utility conflates to independent states of value; Use and exchange value.

People exchange things because they are of equivalent value and yet the value of the commodities that workers produce are not equivalent to the wages they receive.

Interesting....wonder where that missing value goes..

Lolbertarian brainlets.

>>49741004
>Socialism cannot work with out centralization

A totally Baseless assertion.

>>49739590
>Died penniless.
Okay, no he wasn't and if him and Lenin picked up a shovel and worked the coal mines or picked up a hoe and plowed the fields like western Europe was doing they might not have had so many famines, man made or not.

>>49739590
>MR. SHEKELSTEIN DONT OWE ME NOTHIN, YA DANG OL GOMMIE
>...
>HOW COME WHITE BIRTHS IS SO LOW????? THE JOOZ IS BEHIND THIS!!!!!!

>>49741018
>Prove me wrong. Marginal utility conflates to independent states of value; Use and exchange value.
>
>People exchange things because they are of equivalent value and yet the value of the commodities that workers produce are not equivalent to the wages they receive.
>
>Interesting....wonder where that missing value goes..
>
>Lolbertarian brainlets.
Don't feel like engaging in this word wankery. Here is a picture of libertarian values btfoing central planning. Cope.

>>49739618
He is Jewish.

>>49741072
>Can't actually prove me wrong

You could have just said that.

>>49741030
Give me a single example of socialist country that did not morph into a totalitarian hell.

>>49740620
>Times are different now.
No, not really, how are we going to pay for all these socialist programs? Taxes? How do we get taxable income into the coffers of a government who can equally redistribute?

>>49740663
>No argument.
>Ad hominen.
0/10.

>>49741090
I didn't understand half of your Marxist mumbo-jumbo and I didn't feel like reading it all, sorry.

I just like living in wealthy capitalist countries. Simple as.

>>49741072
"Economic freedom"

Is in, economy freedom for multinational corporations but not for actual working people who produce everything of value in society, kek. Of course you're right when the think tanks you cherry pick are designed to literally confirm your bias.

>>49741072
>Europe and America
>economically free countries
LMAO, aren't these the same countries you retards are saying are "le crony capitalist"? Make up your damn mind.

>>49741101
>Pay for socialist programs
>Redistributing wealth is socialism

ITT: >>49741068


Though it is funny there's trillions of dollars to bail out JP Morgan and the like but never enough for healthcare for the countries own citizens.

Funny how that works out.

>>49741018
>Wonder where that missing value goes
>Taxes
>Social security
>Medicare
>Medicaid
>Insurance
>Power/water/gas
>Paying off corporate debt
>Miscellaneous other expenses
Whatever is left is converted to a return for the share holders. Lefties could have this too, but coops, rent-to-own housing schenes, and community action to achieve the above are just beyond the average breadtube addled brain to comprehend.

>>49741120
No, as in government not fucking his ass whenever a worker tries to start a business. Read what index of economic freedom measures, brainlet.

https://www.heritage.org/index/

>>49741116
>I don't understand economics

Again, you could have just said this.

>Wealthy capitalist countries

Wealthy for whome? The world economic foundation considered povery to be living on less than 1 dollar a day, kek. It's clearly skewed to make brainlets like you go "WOW CAPITLISM SURE IS GREAT" kek

>>49741129
It's not black and white. US is more free than Europe. Europe is more free than Venezuela.

I understand it can be hard to understand if you have autistm.

>>49741018
>>49741030
>not real capitalism
>follows a not real socialism statement
Master of projection as always.
>Capitalism needs a state to intervene in the economy to keep it from collapsing and the two are inseparable.
If anything the state needs capitalism to not fall into self-destructive behavior due to distortion of incentives.
>People exchange things because they are of equivalent value and yet the value of the commodities that workers produce are not equivalent to the wages they receive
Worthless metaphysics since people exchange goods and services according to their preferences dictated by the context, and not some made up value created by labour that becomes worthless once said evaluation changes.

And please stop redditposting you just look like a giant faggot.

>>49741139
*Housing schemes

>>49741149
Right but what really happens is institutional capital just gains more power because the issue cannot be solved by the system of capital itself, kek. Again this is just right wing adgit prop to get you retards to give more power to corporations. Most businesses fail and or get bought out by large conglomerates further adding to monopolization; Look at Silicon Valley Tech start ups.

You're magic perfect utopian vision of capitalism only exists in your head

>>49741167
>obsessed communist
>uses reddit-spacing
kek

>Wealthy for whome?
The poor in US lives better than regular citizens in socialist shitholes. Cope.

>>49741206
>Right but what really happens is
>proceeds with head-cannon
What really happens is that large corporations fail all the time and get replaced with small startups that nobody believed in.

>>49741180
You fags always do this lmao. Where did I say the USSR wasn't real socialismn?

>If anything the state needs capitalism to not fall into self-destructive behavior due to distortion of incentives.
JHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Oh wait you're serious

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

>Worthless metaphysics since people exchange goods and services according to their preferences dictated by the context, and not some made up value created by labour that becomes worthless once said evaluation changes.
Now this is word salad.

People exchange commodities of equivalent value.

>>49741219
No they don't kek.

You don't live in reality.

>>49741234
Right, it must have all been a dream when Facebook killed MySpace or when Google murdered Yahoo or when Discord killed Skype or when...

>>49741261
When was that? 2006? lmao. Now google and facebook control literally 100% of the tech industry, lmfao. Keep coping fag.

>>49741225
>a totally baseless assertion bro it's not real socialism yet
>Where did I say the USSR wasn't real socialismn?
I'm sorry if you got this cancer called dialectics.
>JHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
Teenager moment.
>People exchange commodities of equivalent value.
For some reason this value disappear when they don't need it anymore.

>>49741275
Holy cope hahaha.

Discord was created in 2015.
Telegram was created in 2013.

You're obviously brainlet so it's worthless to talk about all the innovation that is happening in the tech world, so I'm giving you obvious examples.

Lefties will do literally ANYTHING to avoid reading up on what the business cycle is. Astounding really.

>>49739742
Remove China from that statistic then you'll know what the real meme is

>>49741303
they will do anything to not read basic economics, that is not basic leftist economics.

>>49741330
There is a reason why China has stopped doing all the planned economy meme and switched to a market economy.

*earns $1 today*
no longer in poverty lads. where are we capitalist chads at?

>>49741294
Where did I say the USSR wasn't socialism?

The value doesn't disappear lmao. It changes hands.

>>49741295
>Pointing to two literal cia glow ops as proof that capitalism works

>>49741406
>Where did I say the USSR wasn't socialism?
Being this fucking retarded.
>It changes hands.
So the coat that you need during winter still have the same value during summer?

>>49741406
>i-its cia glow ops!!
kek

Netflix killed Blockbuster.
Spotify killed iTunes with it's pay-per-song meme.

Cope brainlet.

>>49741453
Once again

Proving exactly what I said that you retards thing utility and exchange are the same thing.
You literally are proving what I said, kek.

Marx predicted the *imminent*, inevitable collapse of Capitalism into global poverty and global revolution the mid-19th century, grounded in the assertion that the system could not generate wealth and could not maintain, let alone improve, living standards for anyone. Capitalism then proceeded to bull-charge for what has now been nearly 200 years, growing and changing the world and generating wealth and improving living standards in ways he unambiguously asserted were 100% impossible if his ideas turned out to be true.

He is a quack of the absolute lowest order. His work is the equivalent of a pre-Semmelweis (who ironically lived and worked in the same era) doctor, denouncing this newfangled "germ theory" as delusional insanity before being roundly refuted by the next century and beyond of stunning progress. Marx's ideas do not - can not - maintain their audience by intellectual rigor. They are kept afloat purely by their appeal to scurrilous emotion.

>>49741466
Cope, seethe, dial8

>>49741476
>Proving exactly what I said that you retards thing utility and exchange are the same thing
The thing is you don't understand economics.

Now answer my previous question.

>>49741503
Literally not what marx said at all. Marx was not a determninist and believed that the reigns of history were tio be taken control of by the proletariat He also believed that capitalism creates a crisis of excess production because the more we work the more corperations own and the less we own.
We literally make ourselves more poor the harder we work.

You guys are just liars, lmfao.

>>49741508
Why would I cope? I don't live in a socialist shithole, kek

>>49741511
What question? You literally refused to engage with me at first like a baby,

>>49741533
>Marx was not a determninist
And yet you faggots are deterministic to the bone.

>>49741541
>56% of the work force works at walmart
>People living in vans and priced out of the housing market
>Crazy homelessness
>Drug use rising

This is deff cope. Life expectancy rose in the USSR also IIRC

>>49741571
>Life expectancy
Looking great, lol.

>56% of the work force works at walmart
>People living in vans and priced out of the housing market
>Crazy homelessness
>Drug use rising
All caused by statism.

>>49741546
>You literally refused to engage with me at first like a baby,
Engage in what? Marxism is not the only system of analysis that exist.

You still refuse to answer my coat question, i said previously you fags are masters of projection.

>>49741600
Not shit but Marginal utility is wrong, kek.

What question?

>>49741533
Did you even read it, you dumb fucking cretin? Marx was not ambiguous. If his ideas were true, the next ~170 years would not have happened the way they did, period. I'm sorry your slapdick professors told you otherwise to cope with the fact that their careers hinge on clinging to a defunct rant written by a discredited kook from the Civil War era, but you need to grow up and move on.

>>49741614
"So the coat that you need during winter still have the same value during summer?"
But you just keep evading.

>>49741597
>Cherry picking data

>WOW SEE GUYS SOCIALISM BAD

It's amazing how disingenuous you homosexuals actually are. If capitalism was so great you think you wouldn't have to lie.

>>49741655
Yes, 1 coat is worth 1 coat.


That is called exchange value.
>>49741650
What is "it?" What did you read?
You don't know what you are talking about.

>>49741658
With that amounts of reddispacing i wonder if you're actually the homosexual here. Also russia never experienced a baby boom from what i know lol.

>>49741658
There is nothing disingenuous in picking a timeline where the whole world was relatively stable and there were no world wars, retard.

The early 20th century spike in life expectancy was similar in all countries that were industrializing, except in case of USSR they topped at ~70 years while capitalist countries kept rising.

>>49741688
>1 coat is worth 1 coat.
According to what? For marx it's because they have the same material properties and therefore usevalue, but people do not add value to stuff just because they have material properties.

If you lose that coat during summer, you're less incentivized to buy a new coat, but if you lose during winter season you're going to buy it as soon as possible. They have different value according to the context.

Anybody who thinks the state is a legitimate institution that should have power over individuals is your enemy whatever economic system he supports.

>>49741784
According to how humans interact when exchanging a commodity.

>For marx it's because they have the same material properties and therefore usevalue,

What you are conflating here is use value and exchange value. They are two different things no matter how badly you want them not to be.

>but people do not add value to stuff just because they have material properties.

Literally just mindless babble.

>If you lose that coat during summer, you're less incentivized to buy a new coat, but if you lose during winter season you're going to buy it as soon as possible. They have different value according to the context.

Right that is called the marginal UTILITY of the coat, but, that is not how value works in relation to how people engage in exchanges.

When people make an exchange they are determining if the worth of two goods are of equivalence.

That's why 100 pounds of rice is worth 100 pounds of silver, hypothetically.

X = X and an exchange can be made

However when it comes to labor a type of jewish magic is done where X^2 labor is done but X is only received by the laborer.

>>49741715
Ok, and, as I pointed out life expectancy rose regardless. Now you are just moving the goal post.

Not that it matters because the USSR is an outdated model that socialists don't even use as a path forward. I don't. But you were still clearly cherry picking the data.

>>49739590
Marxism is scientifically and statistically wrong, muh Equality is a irrational dogma.

>>49739590
he was a donkey and a daydreamer.

>>49741914
> USSR is an outdated model that socialists don't even us
> it wasn't le heckin real socialism!!!
Kys retard

>>49739860
Bailouts are not capitalism

Marxism is scientifically and statistically wrong, muh Equality is an irrational dogma.

>>49741971
Yes they are

>>49741966
>Le strawman

I never said it wasn't real socialism fag. Cope. It's like you people are illiterate.

>>49741914
>What you are conflating here is use value and exchange value.
From what i know they are connected together and marx doesn't even deny it.
>marginal UTILITY of the coat
Do you need a coat because you find satisfaction in buying it or because you actually need it to protect against cold?
>When people make an exchange they are determining if the worth of two goods are of equivalence.
The context determines their reaction when they lose the coat in this case, it's why economies are structured he way they are.

>>49741914
>Ok, and, as I pointed out life expectancy rose regardless. Now you are just moving the goal post.
It rose much less than in capitalist countries with similar or less of an access to natural resources. It was a huge failure.

>>49741971
>>49742033
This is why it's not worth arguing with anyone who either doesn't understand, or chooses not to, agree to the fact that free-market capitalism is DIFFERENT than state/crony-capitalism.

>>49740584
>his works
Any normal person doesn't have to waste time on pseudo-science written by neet who barely finished collage and was living by the handouts of his retarded friend.

>>49742630
Don't you insult needs fagget

>>49742298
Some of these idiots think people who support capitalism because of individual rights love our corporatist system.

>>49742630
Wrong, you need to read it and make your own opinion about it. Otherwise you will always fall for retard-tier fallacies.

>>49740820
>le book
Wat. I deem it pretty important to actually read/try to understand something before criticizing it.
Like I almost committed suicide when reading through Atlas Shrugged. At least now I know that it is total and utter bullshit
>CAPTCHA: W8KYS

took you long enough

anyways join an union and vote for taxing the rich and labor rights

>>49739590
Labor theory of value is idiotic on its face.

Equality of economic outcomes can never exist in the real world because people have diverse interests, intelligence, skills, talents, and ambitions.

Managing people and complex operations is actually really fucking hard to do well. Good managers are one in a thousand and deserve what they are paid. The average worker can't manage his own bedroom, let alone a factory or farm. This has been proven time and time again. Turn the means of production over to the workers and people literally starve because workers are largely stupid and corrupt.

So what WAS he right about?

>>49742736
>I deem it pretty important to actually read/try to understand something before criticizing it.
You're actually right about this but still you never made a valid counter-argument about the post you're replying.
>Like I almost committed suicide when reading through Atlas Shrugged
It's garbage even for libertarians, you're wasting your time with ayn rand.

>>49742699
>Wrong, you need to read it and make your own opinion about it.
Im from post socialist nation I know enough about Marxism and Marx to know it is wrong both from theoretical aspect and in practice
>Otherwise you will always fall for retard-tier fallacies.
I haven't fallen for marxism

>>49742792
Lasalle being a jewish nigger faggot, for one

>>49740628
Honestly, /lit/ is far superior on this topic.

>>49742830
It doesn't matter, marxist dialectic is structured in such a way that every time capitalism is not successfully deconstructed it was "not the right time". It's a fallacy that pushes many people to repeat endless mistake of applying socialism, and it is useful to know that.

>>49742827
Thanks fren.
My point would actually be that Marx wouldn't disagree with capitalism taking a huge chunk of people out of abject misery. He saw it as a necessary stage of human development and admired the fact that it unleashed insane productive potential.
He was even glorifying the English conquest of India because of this, notwithstanding the fact that even in those days British conquest/rule was seen as brutal by many.

he was touching his titty in OP's pic

>>49742980
The problem is, at least from a libertarian perspective, centralized governments are the enemies of free markets.
So we have different definitions of capitalism, which is why i do not glorify colonialism because colonialism is state violence.

>>49740669
>Communism/socialism
Not at all the same.

>>49739860
Bailouts arent a late stage capitalism thing like faggot leftists think it is. The right (who are predominately capitalists) thinks it’s corny horse shit that governments are allowed to do this.

>>49740669
Communism is collectively redistribution of excess while socialism is basically taxation for infrastructure maintenance costs.
One kills the individuals efficiency while socialism requires a percentage of whatever individual efficiency of income you acquire.
Communism isn't socialism, socialism is just taxable income for infrastructure maintenance.
Communism is taking excess to equally redistributed regardless if it's effective or efficient.

>>49740669
And to be quite honest, all taxation should be payed by to the taxpayer, regardless of income level.

>>49740503
>USSR under NEP was still socialism even though they allowed some private enterprise.

Pretty sure we all know who's on a spectrum here.

>>49739619
>Why? Because normshits are selfish to the core.
They still haven't reach class consciousness. Unfortunately, for them to understand, they'll have to suffer the consequences of their commodity fetishism.

>>49741971
>Bailouts are not capitalism
No it's extreme Capitalism

>>49739590
No but pic rel was

>>49740669
Everyone completely missed the point.
Free market capitalism works on the smallest level: two people exchanging goods/Serb yin exchange for money.
Communism/socialism fails on the smallest basis. If it didn’t, then communists would be buying houses together and sharing resources. But co-op homes are a complete rarity.

>>49742792
>Turn the means of production over to the workers and people literally starve because workers are largely stupid and corrupt.
Revolutionary Catalonia workers would like to have a word with you.

>>49744786
If they keep you like a prisoner and don't let you leave the country then it's socialism.

>>49744955
*services

>>49743766
"The contradiction that exists between the practical political power of the Jew and his political rights is the contradiction between politics and the power of money in general. Although theoretically the former is superior to the latter, in actual fact politics has become the serf of financial power." Karl Marx, on the jewish question.
If Marx notice 150 years ago that politics became the serf of money, imagine what he would say today.
>>49743108

>The problem is, at least from a libertarian perspective, centralized governments are the enemies of free markets.
It's not how this works. Money dictates everything. If money dictates they need corporatism, they'll have corporatism. If money decide the State needs to obey and serve Capital accumulation interests, they State will follow. It's been at least a hundred year that the State is the bitch of the Capital.

>>49744942
And national (socialism) is the third side of this international jewish coin. Reminder tha Adolf Schicklgruber got financed by Rockefeller through standard oil, I.G farben, as well as the bank of england and the american fed.

>>49744894
it's called keynes and he was an anticapitalist fabian socialist and probably a soviet glowie considering how much shit dexter white got after he died, it truly give a good cover for the fucker keynes.

He's caused the most destruction for humanity since 1900.

>>49745300
>Money dictates everything
Not really, it's just a factor and there are many others.

Nepotism, various strong convictions (religion), nationalism, etc.

>>49740672
>Marx is not taken seriously by any modern school that teaches economics. At best you can learn it on a philosophical faculty.

Do you not know that Marx's LTV is not only accepted as general fact, but also widely taught? Smith is taught as context for Marx's subsequent corrections and improvements. Seethe.

>>49745300
>It's not how this works. Money dictates everything.
Power is power, regardless of money.

The reason why you want more government intervention is because you don't want competitors, so money will always flow in your hands without too much effort. The reason why the state wants to be everywhere and anyone wants to get inside the state it's because you will never face the consequences of building an inefficient system, the only one sufferimg from it are the people paying taxes.

>>49745570
>Marx's LTV is not only accepted as general fact
lol

>but also widely taught
Nope. Show me a university and a curriculum where Marxist economics is taught as part of economics class.

>>49739590
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>>49745570
>Do you not know that Marx's LTV is not only accepted as general fact, but also widely taught?
I thought the marginalist theory was dominant, you guys are always bitching about it.

Something went very wrong in German Romantic thought during the 19th Century.
They decided, in general, that religion was dumb and heaven was a story for morons, but at the same time that the idea of martyrdom for a cause was still totally cool.

>>49745409
You are a JIDF nigger, every other comment in this thread you are promoting communism as le based and redpilled. Kys tranny. Communism is the ultimate in Jewish control

>>49744994
What did they produce? Mudpies? Half the world has adopted Marxism and all you can come up with to refute my assertion is some tiny Iberian backwater.

>>49745409
KEK. Way to out yourself, shill. You're not supposed to copy and paste your script verbatim.

>>49744793
What ties people together isn't class, it is their shared culture, history and blood. Class theory at its core is the one of the most heinous jewish subversions of what unites a nation. Creating conflict and disharmony at every level of society is an excellent way to destabilize a nation and take control of it.

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>>49739590
As an american i can only kneel just like i can only kneel for Saint Floyd. This submissivness is engrained in my ancestors genes. Kneeling and worshipping communists and niggers is the highest spiritual state a mutt can achieve. I kneel and apologise for my existence