/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>49702161
on top of that chemical factories will face a lot more regulations in Europe.
If I wanted to destroy the European economies as a politician I couldn't do any better than this

>>49702161
>steel, chemical, and fertilizer manufacturing

damn all of these are pretty bad

>How fucked
Pretty fucked

I hate my politicians so fucking much. I'm fleeing to London soon, the mainland is going to shit. It hasn't even started yet. Shorting EURUSD is free money.

>>49702161
Anon, talk me about the decades of retarded green policies… Surely they have nothing to do with it…

>>49702274
How to get britbong visa as a kraut?

It was all worth it to stop Pootin, our moral superiority will power any polluting and obsolete industrial activity until we transition into our inevitable future of perfect equality and harmony

>>49702274
>UK Economy Shrinks Unexpectedly
>The figures underscore a dimming outlook for the UK economy, with manufacturing, services and construction all contracting together for the first time since January 2021.
>A new £15 billion support package to subsidize energy bills will only go so far to help households, who had been on course for the biggest fall in disposable incomes since the 1950s.
Seems like the UK is even more fucked than the mainland.

>>49702161
Europe fucked itself so badly.

>>49702274
Funny, I was thinking of moving to Germany.

>>49702161
I HATE THEM

I HATE THEM SO FUCKING MUCH HOLY SHIT IT'S UNREAL

>>49702161
That's what happens when you put American interests over your own.

>>49702810
American interests are the EU politicians' own.
The peasants will do as the nobility says and the nobility will do as their feudal lord says, we have thousands of years of practice in that regard.

>>49702367
they just post constant negative news about UK since brexit because globalist shills absolutely hate it. UK is suffering same as continent - but luckily for them they are not tied to a fucking corpse and dont have to go down with the ship like we do.

>>49702855
>The peasants will do as the nobility says and the nobility will do as their feudal lord says
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>>49702161
Reminder that europoors and burgerpigs could have given the Russian orcs some security guarantees to waive their concerns regarding BMDs and first strike capabilities on their border in the future. Reminder that Ukraine could have done the same. Reminder that this war did not need to happen. Reminder that every major war in recent history has been a foreign policy failure first and foremost, unnecessarily paid for in blood and tax dollars.

>>49702274
Hahahaha. He thinks it is better Bongerland. Retard, the Anglos and their genetical brainrot are the reason the EU is fucked.

>>49702161
There is a still a way. Load up on the Rubbles and fuck the US. Let the Empire crumble.

>>49702161
How fucked? They're still pushing "green transition", that's how fucked we are.

>>49702161
>Let your energy policy be dictated by a retarded high schooler and shut down all non-solar and windfarms
>Directly after this aggravate the only country that can still cover your energy needs
>WOOOOOOOOOOW HOW COULD I HAVE KNOWN I NEEDED ENERGY TO RUN AN ECONOMY???

>>49702161
Doesn't matter, as long as russia gets fucked. That's the only thing I care about

>>49703375
>t. slav from eastern euro shithole

>>49703359
Yes but at least we're not chuds, amirite?

>>49702161
>thanks in large part to the Ukraine crisis
I love how they always mention that one, as if inflation wasn't already soaring in the US and EU before the war as a result of reckless monetary policy

>>49703375
They're not getting fucked though. Their profits from oil and gas are record high, the ruble is worth more than before the war and their industries are pivoting towards the east instead of the west.

Sure, they can't watch netflix without a vpn and they have to buy second hand iphones, but in the grand scheme of things that is fucking nothing compared to what is currently happening to the economy in the west

>>49703209

>>49702161
>Europe's industrial energy costs have skyrocketed in the wake of Russia's war on Ukraine
Europe's industrial energy costs have skyrocketed in the wake of Western sanctions

>>49704412
It's hilarious how western media always tries to deflect the blame. Unbiased journalism my ass.

>>49702161
based. accelerate. crash all markets into oblivion

>>49702161
popularopinion: we must arm ukraine to protect freedom and democracy from the RNWO (Russian New World Order)

>>49702161
>no fertilizer for the upcoming harvest
AHAHAHAHAHA and my parents say the cost for food still isn't high enough kek.

Starving Africans are going to come streaming north too.

If you can, get to an English colony ASAP. Europe and UK are goners.

>>49705585
>Starving Africans are going to come streaming north too.
And that's a good thing.

>>49705556
Baltics are next. Ukraine is Putin's Sudetenland.

>they
>think
>UNIRONICALLY
>that this
>is because
>of the Ukraine war
You are worse than drones holy shit. Watch blame literally anything on the war. The war is unironically fabricated to implement new draconian laws to trample your rights. And amerigoblins think they are above this shit when they have a literal dictator in their country.
Or could be that the american government is pushing the war with the objective to get gas contracts from EU. Though the EU is a satelite of the US and their oligarchs already so this is unlikely.
They have decided that democracies don't work or can't compete in the internet age specially with China getting this strong because of relaxing. I just wonder how many years do we have of this fake democracy.

>>49706663
take meds

>>49703359
>he thinks this has to do with Greta
She was just the face of what they were planning from the beginning. Its not politicians trusting a kid or feminists, or any green retard. Its about control, and economics.
Renewables were researched to not depend on Russian gas. And these green kids are just propaganda tools so people don't consume Russian gas because if they consume Russian gas, prices goes up, prices go up people get mad. When people get mad they vote the """""""""populist"""""""""" candidate AKA party not in liegue with the EU oligarchs and they will have to try harder to not lose power this includes faking election results, sound similar? Amerikeks? It was NEVER. I repeat NEVER about the environtment and ALWAYS I repeat ALWAYS about economy.

>>49703870
>and they have to buy second hand iphones
Not really, parallel import is already working

>>49706756
He's right, you know.

>>49702161
>Everything will be from China
>Everything you get from China will be behind cbdc surveillance shitcoin

Fuck its ogre. Xi pingpong ikneel.

>>49702161
Feels good being american

>>49702161
https://www.lynalden.com/ecb-trapped/

Eurozone is megafucked

>>49709104
why? because your obesity and drug crisis make you numb to your suffering? you're just as fucked as the rest of us, lard-ass.

>>49702161
Thats ok you ruski cunt, we're still going to make sure your economy is fucked back in to the middle-ages.

>>49709542
Not obese, not an addict. Cope and seethe yuropoor.

>>49706861
Nobody has ever created an economy outside of a viable environment.

>>49703209
Do you really think some "security guarantees" would have stopped Putin from starting his war? The blood is on his hands, unnecessary NATO expansion was only an early trigger. You can't rely on diplomany with a guy like that, he had plenty of options that wouldn't have cost lives, but he went ahead anyway. If you want to distribute blame, it's like 2% the west pushing expansion and 98% Mr. Putin, IMO.

>>49710356
Russia had been warning the west for decades to be fair. They finally snapped.

>>49710407
russia is a shithole governed by ex-kgb / fsb-agents and oligarchs. only morons give a fuck about whatever shit they say. so shut the fuck up you brainwashed opfer.

>>49710407
And they could have snapped with sanctions and displaying military might by firing missiles into the sea or something, not kill civilians. Pushing expansion was not necessary and a dumb move, but that was clearly an overreaction, come on. You can defend your border, but don't attack your neighbours.

>>49709719
lol as if. just because your the same size as your fellow lard-asses doesn't mean you're not obese, fatso

>>49710479
if that's what you think, then don't be surprised when a war that could have been prevented happens

>>49710590
>he doesn't understand the difference between sanctions and geopolitical realism

>>49710646
how about you stop talking out of your ass, westerner. there's a reason why every single neighbour of russia's been crying about their expansionist politics for the last 30 years.

>>49703272
are you joking, bongs din do nuffin in the EU, we were sabotaged from the beginning, always some nigger country vetoed our trade deals
we paid a lot and got few benefits
we didn't even join the euro and the overbearing closed trade block borders and massive regulation along with retarded ecb monetary policy is what's going to bring it all crumbling down
so get fucked faggot, if anyone fucked it all up it was mainland euros themselves

US started this to make money in another war.

>>49710775
>every single neighbour of russia's been crying about their expansionist politics for the last 30 years.
another nonsensical copypaste claim.

proof:
>china
>kazakhstan
>japan (kurils and sakhalin are at peace and the trade is booming)
>north korea
>finland (finns were very happy with finlandization until this year)
>baltics (no problems whatsoever after the dissolution with the Soviet Union)
>Belarus (obviously)
>Georgia (no problems after the west got out in 2008)
>Azerbaijan
>USA (nothing is happening in the Bering strait)
>Norway

>>49710949
I am from the baltics you retarded shill. Stop lying.

>>49711161
that explains the bias.
There has been no expansion/incursion into any of the baltic states since the dissolution of the SU.

>>49710726
Elaborate your point, don't hide behind empty phrases. Come on, you can do it.

>>49710479
This is your brain on American propaganda. Go back to plebbit.
>>49710590
>And they could have snapped with sanctions and displaying military might by firing missiles into the sea or something
And what would that achieve? They've been warning and threatening for decades and all they got was NATO at their borders.

>>49711161
The Baltics should've stayed within Russia's sphere of influence like Belarus. It would've been better long-term. Sure, you've gained prosperity in the short term, but once the EU has no one left to exploit, the Baltics will be among the first to collapse.

>>49711226
>that explains the bias.
oh yah, the bias of being affected by that shithole on a daily basis. oh no, that totally destroys my expertise knowing, unlike people like you who are so unbiased they can't even find chechnya on a map.

>>49711258
another idiot talking out of his ass.

>>49711389
It's always the baltic shitholes that cry the most about Russia. Your shitty little fake states have no reason to exist.

>>49711544
>Your shitty little fake states have no reason to exist.

why do westerners always want to submit to russian cock? is turning your children into little trannies not enough for you? seriously! HOW WEAK ARE YOU!? also not an argument

>>49711258
>what would that achieve?
The sanctions probably not much, but there are ways to display power that don't lead to the death of innocent people. Expansion was a mistake, totally agree. But the reaction was disproportionate and essentially only decided by Putin hinself, just look at the TV debacle where he questions his generals and high ranking officials.

>>49711596
These are either russian trolls or contarian /pol/ users. Both lead empty and miserable lives, you can be sure of that, no punishment is worse than letting them stew in their hate filled, warmongering bubbles

>>49711258
And what would letting Putin have what he wants achieve?
You will have the same shitpile on your doorstep a couple of years down the line.
Fuck you and your easy way out.

>>49709535
I wish there was a way to go short in Euros, fixed rate bond style :(
(Without a mortgage)

>>49702329
KEK, the funny part is where they claim they have moral superiority for "stopping" putin meanwhile ass-licking the saudis and israelis who are 10x worse than putin in the shit they do

they are only morally superior in their deluded eurocrat down syndrome brains

>>49711839
The difference is that putin is in the border of Europe, moving towards Europe.
The sand niggers and their shit stays localised there, why the fuck would we care?

>>49711924
from a real politik standpoint, you shouldn't care, but the eurocrats make a point about putin being evil and act like they are morally superior, if they are morally superior then why do they support countries like israel and saudi arabia?

i'm not saying they SHOULD care, i'm saying just be logically consistent if its about "moral superiority"

also, glory to putin, may he crush you all under his tanks

>>49711659
Well yeah he obviously made a huge mistake in invading Ukraine. I don't think anyone can argue against that given the terrible performance of the Russian military. But NATO has made it clear that nothing short of military action will stop them from expanding.
>>49711806
How hard can it be to not expand the military alliance that was created precisely to gang up on Russia, near Russia's borders?

>>49702161
What could be behind this?

>>49711754
thank you anon. I will rest in peace now.

Just kill russians and take their oil/gas eurocucks.

>>49712040
How hard it is not being seen as untrustworthy as to make every single one of your neighbors ask to join?

>>49712155
Most of the west stands with you. The relative security and prosperity here just led to many people lacking a direction in their lives, so they turn to the internet for attention. It's like that adage that weak people create hard times. They are the weak people, ironically thinking they are the strong ones. Stay safe.

>>49703209
This war is a great success for the US though.

>>49712435
Nice try but a lot of slav shitholes joined in the early 2000s when Russia was making overtures to the west.

>>49712615
They still asked to join themselves, because they didn't trust Russia.

>>49712688
Or maybe they wanted to cozy up to the western block?

>>49712040
>How hard can it be to not expand the military alliance that was created precisely to gang up on Russia, near Russia's borders?
The Baltics are already there, so very fucking hard.

>>49712862
You're repeating what I said with different wording.
You don't swap alliances to bring the two closer together.

>>49702274
Where do I short this?

>>49710356
>Do you really think some "security guarantees" would have stopped Putin from starting his war?
Yes. Also offering some economic carrots to Russia would have helped. Also not being wilfully reliant on them for energy would have given their economy less ability to wage war. The west could have done so many things, but it would prefer to sacrifice the youth of Ukraine to weaken Russia.

>>49702245
>wanted to destroy the European economies as a politician I couldn't do any better than this
It's almost as if this was the plan all along

>>49702245
This always bothered me.
>we want to improve our environment
>lets export all our heavy metal industry and chemistry to china!
wow thanks, just give them an extreme tax break and fund research that offsets the damage caused by the chemical factories or something like that.
I know it's incredibly naive but I believe it's better than just exporting pollution to another country. What we are doing is pure nimbyism.

funny, even at these prices I make a profit mining crypto

>>49702161
I don't care, I won't be satisfied until the Russian Federation dissolves. If we have to start assassinating politicians who would ease sanctions and sacrifice more sovereign states to Putin then so be it.

EU should have went full nuclear 20 years ago.

we had a literal perfect world. endless cheap fossil fuels from russia. dumb fucks at NATO just couldn't leave russia alone and had to expand eastwards. now everything will be more expensive for the rest of my fucking life, all the while the chinks and pajeets get russia's cheap energy. i fucking hate yurope.

>Aww I can't create my products with a 200% profit margin anymore WAAAAAH!! WAAAAAH!! Time to shut everything down because I can't get my 200% profit margin anymore WAAAAAH!!

This is how companies die to competition in real-time. Love it.

>>49717198
An alliance was formed to stop Russia from doing whatever they want. Now Russia is trying to do whatever it wants and getting fucked in response.
You should be grateful your country isn't ruled by corrupt snow-africans.
Get a hand-crank. fuck your oil bitch

it's over

>>49717340
and now you have an alliance to stop america from doing whatever they want

>>49717198
shut the fuck up Russian nigger, nobody wants to live with you snowniggers and your manlet king.

>>49717340
>NOOO WHY DON'T THESE FILTHY VATNIKS LIKE US PLACING BALISTIC MISSILES ON THEIR BORDERS!!!
The US almost started a nuclear war during the Cuban missile crisis over the same shit. When are westerners going to wake the fuck up and realize what utter scum rule over them?

>>49717588
Baltics are already there, closer too. NATO prattle is just propaganda aimed at dumb westerners (biolabs for the even dumber one).

Putin wants Ukraine for the simplest, most straightforward time honoured reason, nationalism. He wants land with a lot of Russian speakers under his control, that's all there is to it.

>>49717588
Europe DOES NOT want to be forced to have a Russian culture! What is hard to understand about that? This is absolutely a hill worth dying on.

>>49717732
hey nice alliance btw

>>49717707
>Baltics are already there, closer too
What are you trying to say?

>>49717813
hey nice cherry to pick btw. why dont you go offer to tickle his communist balls too

>>49717732
No one is going to force Russian "culture" on anyone. Anyway, what does that have to do with what I said? This war is the result of the west antagonizing Russia.

>>49717836
>What are you trying to say?
That he has NATO on his border, closer to Saint Petersburg and about as close to Moscow as Ukraine (the rest of Russia doesn't matter).

Clearly the problem to Putin is not NATO as an offensive threat. It's already next to him and it's not a threat to begin with. The problem to Putin is that NATO could stop him from bullying a neighbour into installing a puppet whenever he wants.

Maybe EU/NATO should have just left him alone to bully all his neighbours, but the ship sailed when Baltics joined. What they are going to do now? Cut them lose and tell Putin to have at them?

>>49702256
the biggest polluters are exiled so the incoming mantid dragon alien tech has a neat clean space to take over
thanks globohomo

>>49718056
He's chimping out partly BECAUSE the baltics joined. Ukraine is the straw that broke the camel's back.

>>49718138
But at this point Ukraine is Sudetenland to him. So everyone is pot committed. If he gets Ukraine too easily, he is likely to come for Baltics next.

Appeasement is not an option, what is done is done.

>>49717992
Actually, this war is the result of saying "No means no!" and then following thru on self-defense.
A timeline where Missile systems haven't encircled Russia doesn't exist. Russians are just hard coded to behave this way. Fuckem

>>49718215
>>49718229
You've fallen for the mainstream media propaganda, idiots.

>>49710407
Russia would've invaded Ukraine whenever they felt themselves strong enough to do so, just like they invaded Chechnya and Georgia already. If Georgia or Ukraine comes to you wanting protection for Russia, what are you supposed to say?
>Umm sorry bro.. Russia warned us about this... they won't feel secure if you become part of NATO so you have to be part of Russia again because of the balance of power

>>49718302
Putin literally in his own words compares himself to Peter the Great - a relic dictator whose policies were questionable even 300 years ago. Literally nobody wanted Putin to take this dumbfuck old fashioned outdated stance to invade like the black powder era.

All EU had to do was not let Russians invade the only other country that could supply them with cheap gas & oil that Ukraine was slowly starting to prospect and develop since 2010 in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.
Russia violated it's signed agreement to not annex Ukrainian territory already with Crimea but EU decided to remain retarded and neural and appease the gas station country named "Russia".
And now we're living with the consequences of them also attempting to cede all of the eastern parts of Ukraine that held the remaining 50% natural resources while EU is shooting itself in the foot (mostly thanks to Germany and heir retarded logic of green laws killing nuclear plants).
I despise every single one of those spineless c u c k s in the EU parliament not foreseeing that this will play out like this.

>>49718302
All I need is to read the Russian propaganda :
”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“ is basically the prelude to the Ukraine invasion. Russian troops actually had to read this for preparation.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
Anti-Baltics propaganda has already begun too :
"Baltic states’ treatment of Russians reminiscent of true apartheid, says Russian official "
https://tass.com/politics/1340553

See the way the wind is blowing, no need for mainstream media propaganda. Just need to pay attention to what Russia is saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwg
Reminder

>>49702161
>How fucked is Europe?
Wrong question. Correct question would be how fucked does Europe has to get for people to start openly hating on green parties, kicking them out of parliaments and start fracking?
Even the said germany has enough gas for many years to come, but the greens are sabotaging fracking and nuclear very hard. The crisis need to hit certain point for people to turn on against those saboteurs.

>>49703209
I feel like Ukraine and even Russia are kinda irrelevant in all this. It's democrats plot to fuck up EU and make EU companies and industry noncompetitive against US ones by cutting if from it's supply or cheap energy. Like VW became bigger than GM, Airbus is bigger than Boeing and democrats won't allow that anymore.
So far plan is working like a fucking dream.
Am I becoming schizo?

>>49719618
>to start openly hating on green parties
I feel like people will start to hate Ukraine first, boomers are already becoming all edgy about it around me.

>>49719618
Europe’s green parties are owned by the US. That’s why they shut down your nuke plants. Syria was supposed to fall so the pipeline could be built and you’d be entirely dependent on Saudi oil while you refitted for American lng, cutting out Russia entirely and further cornering them. Didn’t work out that way, but Europe still had institutional inertia and hasn’t decided to pivot away from the now weakened and discredited American sphere of influence.

>>49719667
I don't know if you are a schizo anon, but the burgers may well have been playing some kind of 4d chess. I think if that level of snoopery is going on it must be bipartisan and done as unsaid glowie department policy rather than democrats vs republicans etc.

>>49719618
Fracking is utter cancer and shouldn't be allowed. Nuclear is luckily still planned in smarter nations of europe.

>>49719820
Fracking is neccessary short term solution. Getting nuclear back from zero might take too long, fracking can be done pretty much immidiately.
The point of fracking is to ensure industrial security. Germany will be able to buy gas and still be completely independant on import and immune to crisis if they forbid the fracking gas export.
Of course 10 years after that some other solution can be found, that is actually scientifically reasonable (not le meme solar).
>>49719769
Of course. Just like the alt right and far left memes are funded by russia. Both sides need to be shut down to such point, that even mentioning "green energy" should get you questioned by policemen.
Any dependancy, be it USA or Russia is the end of EU. They need to be able to fully act on their own, which means any foreign influence should be utterly demolished.

>>49719734
That's russian pushed narrative. They aren't friends either. To me both Ukraine and Russia should be irrelevant, as i said in post above, full independancy is better than jumping between russian and american cock back and forth.
Energy, food and important ressources should not rely on imports.

>>49719981
Oh come on now. If you mean antifa and proud boys and blm and such, that’s completely the feds and not Russia. I hope you’re not one of those zombies that think Putin hacked the election.

>>49720125
No, I mean the ones in germany. AFD and Linke were funded by Russia.

>>49719538
Based Russia. They should genocide the baltics so i don't have to hear them yapping about Russia every single thread. Poland and Romania next

>>49702256
>steel, chemical, and fertilizer manufacturing
thank god for 3rd world countries, predominately in balkans
europe isn't fazed
fud rejected, this is yet another nothingburger
still all in on PrecogFinance launch

>>49720295

>>49720295
You wish. Poland can soon take on Russia by themselves.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/05/27/poland-eyes-500-us-himars-launchers-to-boost-its-artillery-forces/

>>49719667
There is some truth to this, i do think this is more true of UK than US. US generally still somewhat cares about the economy of their vassal states, and on a general level US does not want to see their vassal states collapse, but certain factions within the US do not have those concerns. neocons will stop at nothing in their quest to destroy Russia (and China), they do not care if millions of Europeans starve. neo-liberals want to fulfill their green agenda, and welcome European sanctions on Russian energy and de-industrialization.

>>49719981
Does this Russia guy speak to you when you are alone in a room? Is it just 1 voice or multiple? Does the sound come from afar, or from inside your head? Are they whispering, singing, screaming? Do those voices, uhmmm, i mean Russia tell you to do illegal things?

>>49720194
Oh sure. Although I think you have to keep in mind homegrown dissent to Atlanticism in Europe. They’re in a bad spot now, but it’s clear they want regional autonomy again.

I was informed as a young man to buy 20-30% foreign investment as a hedge against American markets so in my 401k I allotted 25% to a well run older Europacific fund and wow it really is sad. We're having a meltdown in the US and my position in the US is I think down 11% YTD. My Europac is down
>25.7%

i repeat; europeans are retards.

>>49721253
Nah man, we're just not truly independent. Still paying the price of ww2.

>>49721359
wrong and cope. if you were any more independent you would be even more delusional in your approach to foreign policy and energy.

>>49721359
I wonder if in the distant future we will see Macron broker Ukrainian peace deal with Putin right before WW3 just like Chamberlain did before WW2

>>49721493
No chance, Macron is about to become a lame duck president, because he will not have a majority in the parliament. He also does not really have power to do that as the president of France. Erdogan is much more likely to broker a peace, and it still is very unlikely, peace will probably be bilateral between Russia and Ukraine

>>49721432
I don't think so, after all many people in EU parliament are aware of EU not being fully independent entity. Like I'm from Croatia and even our shitty deputy in EU had speech on that topic which is just that - only observation of the facts you have no power to change.
>>Speaking in front of the EU Parliament last week, Kolakusic told his fellow parliamentarians:
>>“It is an incredible lie and hypocrisy that the sanctions against Russia and a ban on imports of Russian oil and gas are sanctions against Russia. The sanctions are directed at 500 million citizens of the European Union and millions of citizens of the rest of Europe,” he claimed
So it's not just 4ch schizos that "get it", it's just you can't do anything about it.

>>49717855
nice cope jew

>>49721701
No, retard. The EU has FULL autonomy. The EU should not exist, but it has absolute independence to do whatever its retarded little heart desires. It chooses to be retarded. Yes your sanctions are the final straw in a long history of self injuring choices, but they are all choices made by the people of EU member nations that choose to be a part of the retardation. There is no higher power forcing your hand.

>>49721890
Pure delusion. Europe is a province of the American empire.

>>49721890
>>49722355
what are we supposed to do? let putin and his cronies do whatever they want? ukraine was a corrupt country before but it didn't harm anyone. they're deporting people for christ's sake. Weakening russia is essential