/biz/ - Business & Finance

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>AMD

lol suicide prevention line in the op

If anyone is looking for a trading podcast id highly recommend chat with traders on youtube. There are some really good ones that helped alot with my trading.

should i sell botz? its really droppin

>>4770280
yeah, that's the best one ive found as well any other recommendations?

Holy shit, AMD.
I'm so glad I sold it at 14$.
Why is it happening? will it recover next year?

>>4770313
i don't know any other ones, i tried to listen to tastytrade but i don't care for those guys. Do you have any good ones yourself?

do you guys think anybody with insider info post on 4chan?

lots of tasty dips.
finally gonna jump in AMRS I think, good price action

>>4770305
I sold all my tech today after losing 15% of my portfolio last week. If it wasn't going to bounce back today I am uncertain about the short term. I'll buy back in once things are looking green again.

fucking amd

>>4770376
yes. I am guessing most people ignore them though

>made two trades
>immediately regret it
>make two day trades selling them back
>now have a 3 cent profit
Do I have to pay taxes for this?

>>4770376

GOLF ELY DS

You're welcome

>>4770411
t. insider whom everyone ignores on 4chan

What's good, nigga? Fill us in.

>>4770349
man, same here I can't stand those tastytrade douches

only one I listen to is chat with traders, oh yeah also steve miller (slimtrader) he does his own thing now on youtube he used to be on tastytrade

>>4770377
>finally gonna jump in AMRS I think, good price action

AMRS been shilled so much, hasn't delivered much for me yet. been in it for over 3 weeks or so.

Something happened to AMD?

>>4770472
whats his channel name?

>>4770527
i think it's just Steve Miller weekly show 1 hr think he has some subscription stuff but I just watch the show on yt

>>4770511
If you'd pay attention to the "shills", nobody has been suggesting it for an overnight swing. At least I don't think I've seen anyone suggest this. What we are waiting for with AMRS is longer term.

>>4770556
got it thanks

CYCC

>>4770524
AMD is fucking shit is what happened. You can only go so far when your company relies on third party support.

>>4770511
3 weeks? come on guys you're gonna need more patience than that, even here.

Tesla is actually sending a red sports car to Mars.

How does this affect their stock price and long term valuation?

>>4770376
DXR anon

>>4770568
>>4770663

alright alright, sorry.

I guess with all these hyped things, you lose patience, but all in all, AMRS is a leading bio-syn company with a lot of promise coming soon.

What do you guys think about those stocktwit guys talking about the CEO? i don't understand it.... all i see is MELO this and MELO that...

>the total value of companies listed on the world's stock markets as of Friday's close was $98,750,067,000,000 -- within touching distance of $100 trillion for the first time.

100,000,000,000,000 SOON !!!!

CRYPTO BTFO

ITS HAPPENING LADS

Is now the time to buy into NVDA or will tech continue to dip this week?

>>4770618
I still don’t understand.

>>4770226
Why is the market so slow today?

>>4770899
The Jews are shorting everything.

>>4770899
mondays and fridays are usually slow, as well as the middle of the day

>>4770899
It is?

>>4770933
What are you holding?

>>4770808
lol stocktwitz is a disgrace dude, a bunch of scare tactics by shorts trying to make people sell through fear.
the only person whose opinion you should read is the one that AMRS Shiller posted a week ago.
surprisingly intelligent, I saved his ST handle as a favorite and check what he says once a day.
https://stocktwits.com/FinalThought

>bought 20 bucks worth of bac+b a month ago
>almost 50 bucks today

>>4770949

Don’t let it fool you. I’m still in the red overall because I ruined absolutely everything gambling on TEUM last week.
100$ to go!

It’s mostly BAC+B and those XIV shares doing work.

>>4770834
Tech will dip

>>4770854
What don't you understand. AMD is shit, if you are holding then you are fucked. The Ryzen can't save the company if it literally supports itself on outside parties. Have you ever read a 10K?

>>4771005
Forgot pic

>>4770976
ST is garbage..

>>4771024
Any reason why it will dip/ will not dip? Looking to get back into NVDA hopefully before it goes back into full force..

>>4771062
Old tech, wait until Q1 right before the big tech conferences.

>>4771024
No 17 by 2018?!?!

>>4771040
>4771040
agreed, with exception of this one user, check his shit out

>>4771090
thanks for the tip anon

Im really thinking of getting into trades through robinhood instead of investing buttcoin. Fuck. I just want to be rich guys. I feel like I'm late to the party.

>>4770976
Jesus Christ these amrs projections are enormous
Got my attention, going to do some DD

>>4771121
>I just want to be rich guys.
It really doesn't seem like so much to ask, does it?

>>4771121
Make sure you use this link so you can get a free share of apple

http://share.robinhood.com/davida282

>>4771121
bitcoin is the definition of a bubble stay way from it.

>>4771091
The only thing that makes AMD redeemable is the fact that their shit is used for cryptomining and even that is in jeopardy with new mining tech on the way. It's up to you if you still want to invest/hold at this point, I've said all that needs to be said.

>>4771167
Report back what you think if this company today or tomorrow. Anon

>>4771121
Use my link instead of this guys link. He's a jew and a liar saying you'll get a free share of Apple stock, when really it's a 1 in 150 chance to get it.
>>4771191


http://share.robinhood.com/nicholc1484

>>4771233
they basically came out and said crypto won't really be profitable for them in the future

>>4771233
Fool, my 9 shares at 9.95 are going straight to the too.

So how's UCTT looking? The name Micheal Roy Henderson popped into my head for seemingly no reason and when I Googled it, it turns out he's a senior VP there. Tech in general looks like its getting fucked, though.

>>4771191
>>4771284

fuck off david.

I was told MRNS was going to moon. I mean the technicals looked great, but now I'm holding the fucking bag. What happend here?

>>4771311
You trade based on your random thoughts?

I dunno the company though, to answer the question

>>4771290
So you agree and even they agree that AMD is fucked if they stick with it? I would like to see the source though, I seem to have missed that one. I like to keep an archive.

yes

>>4771339
It's just weird because it's a long name I have no memory of seeing before, but I've seen UCCT shilled here before. Plus I have had accurate precognition before, but nothing that ever mattered in any significant way.

>>4771326

But i am not David, why'd you link me?

>>4771344
https://www.barrons.com/articles/amd-get-set-for-crypto-chips-market-to-plunge-50-in-18-says-morgan-stanley-1510598782

just one of many

>>4771304
I pity you

>>4771326
You need to be patient boy. Thought your name was bagholder? Shouldn't you be used to this feeling?

>>4771350
>i have never said anything of value ever.

>>4771387
Fuck off roastie whore

RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>4771233
wtf are you on about? I bought AMD at 9.96 this morning and sold at 10.23 a couple of hours later. Be greedy when others are fearful.

>>4771430
>>4771350
shit posting proudly

>>4771409
Jealous?

>>4771416

Actually after doing some Elliot wave analysis I predict this shit's going to break out above $8.50 and hit $9 by the Christmas.

>>4771256
-Financial sheets are ugly, still not profitable, but that's not a big deal if they actually pull off what they claim.
-This final thought ST has pretty interesting stuff, outside of my knowledge (bio science)
-Business structure looks good now, they'll make money off their partners making money.
- just made a few huge deals to cut down that debt which is very important, this can attract more financial institutions.
-these projected revenue sources are off the charts, if things go to plan they can be extremely profitable, with not only the current strains, but the new ones they're working on.
-expenses are shrinking, production is becoming smoother/faster according to Final Thought.
- this reb m, and new fake sugars can make a boat load.
-market looks extremely good in the next 5 years
-little to no competition
-potential buy out candidate from DSM

I'll call this a good buy.
Potentially a great buy.
With some luck this can be one of the biggest turn around I've ever seen.
I will definitely jump in, thanks for the heads up all.

>>4771532
> 9 fucking shares
you're gonna make it big breh

>>4771532
Not in the slightest.

>$1.27 return
>am I jealous
I could take a bag of aluminum cans to a scrapyard and make more than that

>>4771545
YES YES, THATS WHAT AMRS SHILLER WAS FUCKING TELLING US.

"Without DARPA or Phama, should be over 950M$ by 2020 with 60% gross margin."

>>4771542
Been in since $5 you don't need to tell me. Your the one having a lack of faith.

>>4771579
>>4771551
How many variations of this cat must I post before you understand!?!

>>4771532
>get ready for dow 30k but beware of buy the rumor sell the news.
lmao what the fuck?

any day traders in here wanna short SN down to 5.20 for me? tia

alright now I wait three days to see how my application did. This is fucking gay though, if I don't have enough buying power for a certain stock I have to have at least $2k? fug. Do you guys have a discord?

>>4771693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_bopWH0hkE

>bought msft and amd last week

I DIDN"T LISTEN ABOUT THE TECH BUBBLE

>>4771579
Sounds like somebody is wasting their time shitposting when they could be on a productive field trip to the scrap yard.

GET
ON
MY
LEVEL

people itt still don't have any BGFV

>>4771791
Thank you for posting this but I ruined it

>>4771800
>He doesn't suck dick while ubering an SUV hauling scrap to a scrap yard
>All while shitposting

wheres the guy that shorted BGFV? lol

Why is nobody here in oil?
CRC up almost 5% today
Money is moving out of Tech, better move along with it or get swept up by the current.

>>4772079
hes an idiot that got lucky the whole fbi/flynn thing happend. he said it was tanking anyway.. thats just how BGFV works, it goes down in the middle of the day and works it way up toward the end, he had to cover at 7.45 just to break even with the dividend

>>4772108
GBR

>>4772121
i sold before the dip, i still got the divdend lol. not sure why. but i bought in at the bottom.

wish i could say my other stocks were doing as well
trxc i'm looking at you

>>4771545
wow that took you fast to come up with that conclusion, took me a full day or so research to come with similar conclusion.

yeah same thought, thanks anon!

I just hope they really can turn their balance sheet around.

>>4772108
DNR

What the fuck drumph where is my massive gains

>>4768069
Fuck I want to get out of CRBP and let Watson have it... Growth seems slow but at that price the longterm gains look good for poorfags like me

S&P is going to correct back to 2600, you heard me right. Buy that SPXS when we get back to 2650.

>>4772310
can it wait till the end of the week? id love to close out some positions and be bearish over the weekend

Is your day worse than mine, /rgt/?

>>4772295
>being in the tech sector
>big money's fault for rotating sectors
>blames trump

Breeeeehhhh.

>>4772202
im going all in on em when they hit support. This stock is so reliable and ive made only marginal gains being skiddish with them in the past

>>4772347
I'm down ~2000 today. worst part is I was up 4500 at open. fuck nasdaq reeeeeee

>>4772374
Same, cramer says buy 2 days after a sell off, but I think this may trend this week, then recover over the next few more weeks.

>>4772401
Ouch. How far down as a percentage?

>>4772431
0.7%

>TTWO
>ATVI

Can only pray they don't call loot boxes gambling

>>4772344

It'll be once we hit 2650 maybe a little higher than that, anticipate a red Wednesday and Thursday. You can even buy the UVXY tomorrow night. This is so clear it's like even I can see this one coming from a mile away.
Then again, if they do get these tax cuts on the presidents desk before then (they won't still too much work to do) all bets are off.

>>4772354
> Pfe
> tech sector
Nah

>>4772509
imo tax news will wear off on the market and it will correct.. but thats just my opinion

>>4772523
>pharmaceuticals

why

>>4772548
I expect trump will have something else up his sleeve for a boost when that happens.

uhh yup

>>4770377
I'm holding 1000 at $4.34
Good luck

how do you use this shit in canada?

>>4770414
If you don't IRS will flay you in front of the NYSE

>>4772587
This. He got the tax bill he promised, I'm sure their is more to come. Obamacare may be next imo

>>4772659
Be an American citizen and go to Canada.

>>4772659
you dont

>>4771545
>>4772197
gee you guys dont sound like bagholders at all
nope, nothing like those retarded ST bulls

>>4772720
You're going to call out the only guys who did any kind of DD in this entire thread?
Man you guys are ass backwards

Is it a good time to buy boogle? you goys think it will drop to 920 before it goes over 1k?

>>4772740
yeah most people itt are retarded, i mean, some people itt still don't have BGFV

shouldve listened....

>>4772740
Have you met Chad yet?

Who cucks themselves here?
>sold ULTA for a $20 loss after earnings. Now its trading at what it was right before earnings
>heard the aetna CVS news
>work up at 4am to buy shares at $184
>its trading at $179 right now, down $300 on it
>bought the SQ dip last Friday for $38.25, it's $37 now. Down another $300 on that

hahahaha

>>4772573
1. Dow index stock
2. Signs of growth in the last month
3. I love drugs

baba unaudited made up financials chink stock is finally crashing.
yesssssssssssss

>>4773002
FUCK IM ALL IN ON BABA

>>4772798
>BGFV

didn't you shill BGFV for a while? What's the idea around this?

>>4773027
been shilling since 6.40 alot of growth to come in stock price, huge short interest gunna create a huge squeeze..

undervalued with a dividend, value investors will start piling in

been shilling since 6.40 while others in here bashing.. looking for 70% gain

>>4772740
If you're like me, you've already lost $1,000 or more on AMRS. The fact you're so positive makes you a pumping shill.

If you haven't lost $1000 or more on AMRS, then you don't know dick about this stock and should listen to a seasoned vet.

You're pumping this, youre obvious, and you sound exactly like you're on Stocktwits

>>4773027
He's up like 10% on it so now he thinks he's warren buffet jr and shills it constantly

>>4773064
im up 20% and i've put alot of DD into it and everyone else is just missing gains

hhhuurr duuurr i didn't get in when he first told me because i don't like making money so now ill remain bitter that i didn't buy.. (you)

wew its over. down 3600 today.

Will ATVI recover or is it time to sell?

>>4773088
I hope you have an exit plan

The future of BGFV is zero.

>>4773060
dude. first of all, where in this thread have I shilled AMRS?
who said I even own any?
All I said was "im probably going to buy some"
then I said "why are you attacking people who are giving DD"

2nd, you sound like an absolute amateur.
How is it that you guys have a hard time understanding the basic concepts here.
There are people on these boards with actual experience trying to help you guys.

"If youre like me you lost 1000"
Who gives a shit.
Lesson 1, if you're not comfortable seeing your investment dropping 50% before it rises then investing may not be right for you.
Price action is fucking meaningless in the face of fundamental direction.
You guys NEED to stop freaking out when you're down.

last, the guy above made some observations based on facts and was nice enough to share it with the lazy.
once again, you guys are ass backwards

Guys.

GUYS!

BIG CANADIAN WEED NEWS. Aphria has signed in to an agreement with Shoppers Drug Mart (major Canadian pharmacy chain) to supply all of their Canadian medicinal weed.

MOON MISSION TOMORROW

>>4773056
thanks anon, i'll keep an eye on this. i am fk'ing canadian, god damn it. no wonder when you talk about BGFV, i've never heard of it. don't even have a store in canada.

>>4773218
they are currently building new stores.. they are growing.. if you don't have the balls to play it, then shut your pie hole and watch the big boys play.

If you wanna man up then short it like the other guy did the other day, if you don't want to take position or don't have anything of substance to say go ahead and fuck off newb

I saw this on Leddit, AMD is only 1% less than the 3x semi conductor ETF :^)
>the city of amd

>>4773285
its not just about the store itself, it's about the trade, look at how well it has held up since earnings with all the short interest, someone was expecting very bad earnings and they didn't get it. A big fat short position is stuck and needs to cover. Short squeeze incoming on an undervalued stock that pays a dividend.. easy fucking money.. so fucking easy

>>4772847
Chad committed suicide last month don’t you know?

>>4773260
Don't worry about them, who ever listen will listen.

>>4773272
I'm very heavy in TWMJF
I plan on quadroupling my investment

>>4773260
Thanks anon. Different fag here but somehow reading this made me feel better. :^)

I have around $3,000 to spend on some good stocks to add to my portfolio, anyone have anything good?

I prefer over $1 and with some type of news coming up or a sector that might be coming to light in the coming months

>>4773399
AMRS. Literally and unironically.

>>4773399
NMM is that greek shipping meme?

Daily reminder that only brainlets buy AMRS

>>4773358
The biggest mistake I see people making is "stomach" related.
the market is a mind game, preys on your emotions.
purposeful drops of price in order to hit stop losses.
market manipulation to keep prices low enough to be accumulated by the rich.

your first few years in the market, you should be looking for 6+ month holds, because you can depend on fundamentals since none of you are good enough at TA yet

>>4773431
yes, but i frimly believe it'll get over $5. I usually do alot of DD on all my stock picks.

>>4773426
what does it have going for it? it seems like there are too many retail traders on it to run hard imo but if you have a really good reason ill look into it

MRNS cup and handle strengthening, later this week it may pop

>>4772310
The Dow just followed the Nasdaq down. It didn't deserve to get slammed down today. Today was meant to be a green-day.

>>4773494
salty dems shorting trying to fuck with us. should get btfo good this week.

>>4773483

>>4771545

>>4773532

>>4773568
thats sounds like any other company desu, and the stock looks like it wants to go down under $3 and probably will if the company doesn't put out any news soon. Also the shares outstanding 42.56m and the float is 27.26m that is a little scary to me but i will look into it tonight, if i see any conv. prefs ill pass or any conv. debt.

>>4773532
Your ID even begins with b8.

>>4773002
Really, BABA is just like any other chink companies : amazing income statement... but where is the cash ?

Also, there is many fishy things about their investee companies

>>4773668
to add to his DD, the convertible debt would be way way above current SP, and would essentially eliminate their debt, making it win win.
The short percentage is insane (which is very good set up for a run)
They just raised guidance.
Their projected revenue is insane.
(look here)
>>4771606


and what separates them from 'any other company' is the 40 BILLION dollar Synthetic biology market (by 2020) that is set to continue to explode, and AMRS should corner that market

tfw made a lot of money off of DPW last week
Bought more at peak
Ended up holding into AH
drops to 1.60
Lost about half the money I made
Sold for a small gain
"at least I didn't bag hold"
Would've been a rich man if I had held onto those bags

>>4771121
Do both. Don't invest in just one thing. I have a minority amount in buttcoin, some in US stocks, some in overseas markets, some in cash.

>>4773532
I think how the Nasdaq moves will determine how difficult it'll be for the Dow to maintain it's levels here. I believe the goal of 25k will still be in a lot of peoples' minds, but this will be a major set-back.

>>4773834
*its

>>4773778
>the convertible debt would be way way above current SP
thats not how convertable debt works anon.. i know because i invest in convertable debentures and trade them on the phone with broker dealers.. and i can tell you that it does not matter where the stock price is the conversion rate is what is important. it will be in their filings usually of what their conversion rate is on the stocks, usually 50% under lowest point of VWAP for 20 days....

>The short percentage is insane
its only a little over 11% on a float that is over 27m and growing.

ill look into it tonight, but i just don't see it when i glance at it, maybe im missing something but what everyone is posting about it seems to be what everyone is posting about every company.

Not hating on it, i just like to make money and i will do the DD on it to make my odds the best that they could be in making money when i enter a position.

>>4773856
thanks for the correction. i had no idea what you were trying to say but now it makes sense

>>4773358
you sound like you're on stocktwits. fuck up fag boi

>>4773260
youre a faggot
youre defending some obvious shills
nothing in the post I originally wrote is incorrect
youre just being a shill too since youre completely glossing over the fact that I am either earlier than those posters to AMRS, or we've all lost money and they're shilling
Fuck off.

>>4773932
for my sake, annoys the fuck outta me

>>4773964
lol just messing

>>4773949
>"b-but the coca cola deal"
>"d-do your own r-research"
>"fundamentals"!
>"im making so much money on AMRS, im just trying to share the wealth with everyone else!"

>>4774007
this

>>4774007
thats how im feeling about AMRS shillers, but ill look into it tonight, sometimes they're right but right now AMRS is at a fragile point, if they don't have news this week i feel as if bears are going to attack it when it's vulnerable and bring it down to $2

but thats just my opinion

Why didn't you ride the JNUG/JDST waves all year?

>>4773925
Right right, that's what im trying to tell you, if DSM cash in convertibles, they will be buying at above double the current SP. the details are somewhere, id have to look it up.
somewhere between 10 dollars and 50 if im remembering correctly.

>>4773949
read more amateur, way to disregard the simple lessons.

>>4774133

Teach me Senpai. I want to do the same thing, but with volatility.

>>4774133
Very nice.

>>4774076
im not trying to jerk you around, im not shrugging you off like the other idiots in this room who just want to complain, im here for intelligent discussion.
and i am not the expert on this one, a few other AMRS guys know much more than i do, im just telling you what i remember.
look into their last ER, their recent 100m deal, their reasoning on raising guidance, and read the final thought ST dude for more in depth shit.

>>4774163
convertables conversion all depends on the stock price at time of maturity they do not convert higher than stock price, i do not know where you heard that.

When an investor invest 100k or more into a company with high risk an low float they usually buy a convertable investment vehicle, when that invesment vehicle is ready to convert they convert at a discount to current stock price to insure they will make money on their high risk investment (interest).

I am not sure where you hear that they convert at a higher price, i've never seen that the only thing that usually is dilution at higher price is warrants, and if that's the case AMRS isn't going anywhere if it has warrants hanging over its head.

ill look into it but like i said earlier, at a glance it doesn't look attractive (at least not for stock price)

>>4772108
I put money in copper/zinc/nickel plays. I think they'll do well come 2018 as resource prices firm up. But maybe I'm just a fuckboy.

Do I hold onto my tech stocks or dump them?

They are getting JUSTd

>>4774610
All my cash is going into eth to buy cats.

>>4774551
Alright, I think I may confusing warrants then, the large investment made by DSM must be warrants, but they got a good deal with the very high conversion rate and not too much dilution (if they even choose to convert them).
But all of that aside, I cant pretend the money theyre projected to be making isn't spectacular, and that the SP hasn't been stomped into the ground for years due to BR fears.
get in if you feel like it, but im going in 16k or so with out a doubt.

>>4773272

thanks, bought 10 shares

>>4774595
same, feels like tech is done for

>>4774652
During the nine months ended September 30, 2017, the Company improved its liquidity as follows:

• In January, February and May 2017, debt obligations totaling $21.0 million were extended to dates from November 2017 to April 2019;
• In May 2017, the Company sold shares of its Series A 17.38% Convertible Preferred Stock, par value $0.0001 per share (the Series A Preferred Stock), shares of its Series B 17.38% Convertible Preferred Stock, par value $0.0001 per share (the Series B Preferred Stock), and warrants to purchase common stock for net proceeds of $50.7 million;
• In April and May 2017, convertible debt obligations totaling $35.8 million were converted into shares of common stock pursuant to their terms or exchanged for shares of Series B Preferred Stock and warrants to purchase common stock;
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• In May 2017, additional debt obligations totaling $29.0 million were exchanged for shares of Series B Preferred Stock and warrants to purchase common stock;
• In May 2017, the Company made debt principal payments of $21.8 million, which in combination with the debt conversions and exchanges described above, reduced debt obligations by a total of $86.6 million;
• In August 2017, the Company sold shares of common stock, shares of its Series D Convertible Preferred Stock, par value $0.0001 per share (the Series D Preferred Stock), and warrants to purchase common stock for net proceeds of $24.8 million; and
• In August 2017, the Company sold shares of Series B Preferred Stock, warrants to purchase common stock, dilution warrants and a make-whole provision for net proceeds of $25.9 million.

>>4774595

Semiconductor bubble is popping

>>4774760
>>4774652
The August 2017 DSM Dilution Warrant allows DSM to purchase a number of shares of common stock sufficient to provide DSM with full-ratchet anti-dilution protection for any issuance by the Company of equity or equity-linked securities during the DSM Dilution Period at a per share price less than $6.30, the effective per share price paid by DSM for the shares of common stock issuable upon conversion of its Series B Preferred Stock (including shares of common stock issuable as payment of dividends or the Make-Whole Payment (as defined below), assuming that all such dividends and the Make-Whole Payment are made in common stock), subject to certain exceptions and subject to a price floor of $0.10 per share (the Dilution Floor). The August 2017 DSM Dilution Warrant expires five years from the date it is initially exercisable.


Looks like the only people benefiting form AMRS are the ones holding convertable preffered and ones holding convertable notes.

The company has money to operate but in order to get that money they've screwed over common share holders for a couple years to come. You may get a few spikes here and there with AMRS but it'll be for a trade, not an investment.

with a conversion floor of .10 and A/S count at 500,000,000 AMRS could possibly see alot more pain than gain the only thing i see holding it back from falling so fast is Rule 144a

>>4774760

majored in finance shit here and i can't even understand this fml..

Basically, the company needed cash, gave out preferred shares/long-term debt that had the option to covert into common shares. So in the end, those guys converted to common shares.

This improves liquidity because some of their debt obligations disappeared. but overall, this dilutes the overall shares.. doesn't it?

>>4774907
>with a conversion floor of .10 and A/S count at 500,000,000 AMRS could possibly see alot more pain than gain the only thing i see holding it back from falling so fast is Rule 144a

what's rule 144a? so much much more common shares could we see if these ppl exercise this?

if a lot of dilution, maybe not worth to hold.

>>4774982
>>with a conversion floor of .10 and A/S count at 500,000,000 AMRS could possibly see alot more pain than gain the only thing i see holding it back from falling so fast is Rule 144a


what will the shares outstanding? did they do a forecast of it? this is from finviz

>>4774933
>This improves liquidity because some of their debt obligations disappeared. but overall, this dilutes the overall shares.. doesn't it?
this doesn't improve liquidity.. and yes they are going to be diluting over the next couple years. they already have it all in place. Looks like they needed some big money, you aren't going to get that by dumping common shares into the market so they had to get financing from somwhere else, and those people that lent them money are going to want their money back, who else to pay for it but common share holders in the retail market providing liquidity?

I haven't taken much finance classes but i know people in high places that are the ones that usually orchestrate these kinds of deals and they've taught me probably alot more about the market than what a finance class would teach me imo

>>4774982
>what's rule 144a?
google it. It's the only thing slowing down dilution, or so it seems. There are also ways around that rule. Every run up will be met with heavy dilution, every run up is there just to bring up the liquidity and to get it as far away as possible from their conversion price.

>>4775066
overall, you don't think this is a good investment due to all those conversion shit to common shares?

I got to read up more on that. i am clueless how much dilution there will be.

i would more caught up on the business strategy of this company.

>>4774933
you have to have at least a phd in finance to post here pls submit your posting application upon completing your further education

>>4775120
>overall, you don't think this is a good investment due to all those conversion shit to common shares?
im still looking into it, i don't see an investment opportunity from it quite yet, im still digging. At a glance it looks like the only investment opportunitys have been taken by bigger investors holding conv. prefs and notes. You may get a spike here and there and maybe some good news with a good run, but to me the people holding those diluted shares are just waiting for their chance to dump into strength. They already invested awhile ago and want their money.

>>4775129
>you have to have at least a phd in finance to post here pls submit your posting application upon completing your further education

Got a CPA and got a CFA equivalency in risk, but i am still dumb as shit.

>>4775183
I was obviously shit posting but I made it to level 3 CFA but didn't pass the first time and just never completed it

>>4775183
>Got a CPA and got a CFA equivalency in risk, but i am still dumb as shit.
i have a friend that is going to school and is almost done with his Bachelors in business i think it is, and he doesn't know shit either, he sometimes gets mad that i know as much as i do without really going to school.

The best knowledge is from people that are actually making it, not some teacher that is going straight from learning to teaching. But thats just my opinion.

There is always something to learn, i just rather push my way into having a great network of sucessful people then to spend my time pushing my way toward a degree.

>>4775220
>I was obviously shit posting but I made it to level 3 CFA but didn't pass the first time and just never completed it

I actually did CPA + Actuarial...

should have never done actuarial, it is a piece of worthless shit, only got a stable job out of it.

should have browsed /biz/ and invested in crypto sooner sigh.

>>4775171
>>4775120
I can help out here guys, let me look into it really quick.

>>4775250
100% true

>>4775254
we all should have

>not picking random 3x etfs and yoloing in them

this shit is just gambling why are you fags even trying

>>4775310
>his shit is just gambling why are you fags even trying
i make a living from my invesments. if i don't make money i don't have a roof over my head. so i kinda try anon

>>4775310
People here do things of that nature.

>>4775335
How much do you need to start with to quit your normie job? Obviously depends on how good you are but just a general answer?

So... is the stock market over guys? This is it? or is it just the tech stocks that finally die?
are we going to new all time highs again tommrow? Do I short tesla? Do I long apple? what do?

>>4775371
>How much do you need to start with to quit your normie job?
i have no clue. It's all about how much return you get on that money.
When i was a teenager i worked my ass off in construction from age 16 to about 25 i penny pinched hard core and bought some shit real estate, fixed them up with my construction knowledge and rented them out. they provide me with income. I have about 100k in various investment involving stocks and over $300k in rentals, the return on the various stock investments vary.

Once you quit your job. THERE IS NO GOING BACK!

Keep that in mind if you decide to quit and you will probably do well.

>>4775642
>THERE IS NO GOING BACK!
How do you mean?

>>4774652
>>4774760
>>4774907
>>4774933
>>4775040
>>4775066
>>4775120
from what i see...

ok bla bla bla 43M now, 50M with all preferred, 90M with all securities converted(all notes and all warrants(anti dilutive should be included)), etc etc etc
The lowest conversion price for the notes is 21$/share and the highest is 105$/share.
if notes are converted all debt will be whiped out.

Ok so DSM is more so a partner then pure investor, theyre invested in the success of AMRS.
AMRS is projecting over 130m revenue this quarter..

I like it.

>>4775754

i think i've seen that post before, this is a dumb ass question, might annoy you, but how did you figure out the $21 to $105 share conversion?

I mean, that would be fucking sweet if share prices went to $21 or $105.

i would be jumping in joy right now LOL

>>4775844
no problem bud.
notes convert between 1.14$ to 7.07$ share pre split or 17.1$ to 106$/share today.

ill echo what someone said above, if their projections are correct, I actually like this one a lot the more I read it.

I don't like getting gainz anyway. Jokes on you stock market! :^)

>>4775310
that worked out well for the people who bought SOXL last friday :^)

IBM and Verizon sure took a beating, somewhat explains why the Dow eventually followed the Nasdaq down.

>>4775949
>>4775844
Once again. That is not how convertable notes work. the conversion price all depends on the current price of the stock when they decide to convert and submit a conversion notice. the conversions change as they convert down, even one note can be converting at different times all the way down this is due to rule 144a they aren't going to be able to have over 4.99% of the current issued and out.

I am not sure where you guys are getting this info about a note converting higher than the current market price. that is not how convertable debentures work

>>4775949
damn nice!
thanks anon!

that disclosure had to go back to 2016 Q2, no wonder i felt so stupid.

be interesting if those debts would be converted to common shares.

if they convert it at $17.1 to $106... that would flow to the stock price right?

hope the sales forecast and balance sheet improve, this could be $$$$$$....

>>4776105
Hey, I know exactly what you're talking about.
In this case these numbers were agreed on by DSM and AMRS in their partnership.

>>4775754
>AMRS is projecting over 130m revenue this quarter..
thats cool and all, but im more interested in the stock price and how i am going to benefit. In order for them to get in a position to make that money is by getting money lent to them from bigger investors who are going to cash out onto common share holders later (dilution)

I don't care how well a company does, until those notes are paid off and those convertable preferred shares are gone the common stock price will suffer.

IF the money that AMRS has was from a traditional loan and there was no dilution involved to pay off the loans. than yes that 130m will be a good thing.

The fundamentals behind share structure is sometimes more important than the fundamentals of the companies financial statements.

>>4776105

man i gota go through their annual report and see what the fk are the rules for the convertible debenture then.

their 2016 annual report is a mess WTF.. might have to do it tonight.

>>4776213
No this is controlled dilution with DSM, that probably wont even occur for quite some time if at all.
AMRS sold a piece to finance operations, but sold a piece to an interested partner.

>>4776208
>In this case these numbers were agreed on by DSM and AMRS in their partnership.
those numbers will change. Look what happend to BSTG they went under because the deal changed.

Deals change conversions change. The stock market is rigged. Everything is smoke and mirrors imo even with good "solid companies"

>>4776000
Like me :^)

Lost about 10% on TSLA since June. Tried to recoup that with SOXL. Now I'm down an additional 22% this week. Feel kinda dumb.

for AMRS, anybody know which page in their 2016 annual report talks about those convertible debenture shit?

It will give you and outline the rules of when and where and what is convertible right?

>>4776269
>No this is controlled dilution with DSM
there is way more dilution then the dilution with DSM..

Im still looking into it, but im probably going to pass. I like companies that don't destroy common share holder value.

>>4776281
listen, we're on the same page.
I'm telling you, DSM is banking on AMRS succeeding (from everything I'm reading)
DSM purposely gave AMRS a terrific deal as an investment in their future that they want to pay off big time.

>>4776315
just read the whole thing, half of it talks about dilution

(in case anyone is curious) https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/convertiblebond.asp

>>4776352
>DSM purposely gave AMRS a terrific deal as an investment in their future that they want to pay off big time.
i know what you are saying, but i have seen this exact thing play out soo many times with different companies.

imo common share holders aren't the ones benefiting from this deal or any other deal AMRS management has in place.

>>4776326
No no, they have no reason to do at kind of additonal dilution any time soon.

>>4776416
Don't get me wrong, they had a round of dilution already and an RS.
But it looks like the pieces are in place now.
They attacked that debt nicely and DSM is giving them major support.

You gotta believe with the hype around Synthetic bio, its enormous future, AMRS seemingly advanced tech, and now being debt free that big money will start to jump in.
This looks pretty planned out to me.

>>4776421
>No no, they have no reason to do at kind of additonal dilution any time soon.
it isn't up to AMRS it is up to the note holders and convertable preferred holders. DSM may be holding out for now but others will be cashing out. They wan't their investment back, they are converting and cashing out. It is not up to AMRS to tell them when to sell or how to sell their converted shares. It is up to the investor that gave them the money and is now owed money, they wan't to get their money and rotate it somewhere else.

>>4776314
its ok

beginning of november i was up 125% YTD

series of bad plays later and now im like 50% and falling!

>>4776470
>You gotta believe with the hype around Synthetic bio, its enormous future
i believe it. I just want to see growth in stock price. Stock price won't grow with too much dilution

A company can grow and still have a falling stock price. I would want to see dilution done and out of the way before id invest.

I want to make money, i need to see that float locked and dilution to a minimum

CETX preparing for liftoff. Earnings should be late December.

>>4776471
And how many convertible shares are there not owned my DSM?

>>4776536
I understand. 100%.
I just don't see any dilution coming.

>>4776489
That's rough, but at least you're up overall.

I think I'm just going to put 2k back into TSLA, keep the 2k I have in SOXL, and keep the other 2k I have in XIV right now, and then delete robinhood and try to forget about it for a few months/years. It's starting to take a toll on my mental health.

Bought shop.ca at 144 I didn't think it was going to dip this bad

Hey for AMRS, did any of you guys look into their Board Governance?

The Board members a bunch of shit heads or they pretty well qualified and have the shareholders interest?

I got to take a look at their board members and structure as well later.

>>4776572
>And how many convertible shares are there not owned my DSM?
nobody knows that. it constantly adjust. if the stock price is at $3.40 it will have a different conversion price than at $3 and that means there will be a different amount of shares for each conversion. they have 500,000,000 authorized shares....

>>4776594
>I just don't see any dilution coming.
the dilution has been happening this whole time their issued and outstanding is already higher then what it was when they released their last q

they may not issue anymore notes at this time because they already have cash to operate but the notes they issued already awhile ago to get that cash for operation are now being converted and dumped.

So if people say they already have money for operations its because they sold convertable notes awhile back to get that money which those investors who bought the notes are now converting and dumping..

the dilution is happening and has been in place for awhile, a few years actually, these are long term investments for these players.

just watch as the stock price falls over time and market cap somehow stay the same and outstanding share count rise.

>>4776716
No no no no, I know I know, I'm talking about regular dilution drops. I don't see dilution continuing from this point on.

>>4776834
>I don't see dilution continuing from this point on.
there is dilution.. and will be.. read the filings... The secret lies within the old notes not the new ones and the convertable preferred series a-d. They will constantly dilute until all notes and preferred are gone.

I see dilution in it's future so if i ever get in it, it'll just be for a quick trade, not an investment.

>>4776921
its factored in and it doesn't look significant enough to me. agreed to disagree, though ill look deeper into it, this is my first read through of their financials, which to be honest are pretty complicated.

>>4777044
>its factored in
no it's not.

I think you have alot of homework to do on dilution

>>4777103
is the borrowed debt value not known, despite how many shares it could be converted into?

>>4777216
>is the borrowed debt value not known
the debt value is known.

>despite how many shares it could be converted into
nobody knows how many shares it will convert into the only time to know is when they actually convert, that is when it is determined how many shares are to be issued.

Ill give you an example using basic math and basic form of converting to help you better understand
Lets say they are getting paid back $1,000,000 worth in shares. The conversion is 50% off current market value of common stock.

If common stock is trading at $2 they will be getting the stock at $1 and they will need $1,000,000 worth which will be 1,000,000 shares.

if the stock is trading at $4 they will get 50% off that so they will get $1,000,000 worth of the stock at $2 which is 500,000 shares

Do you see how it depends on the stock price when they convert to determine how many shares will be issued for the loan?

If people say that the price is already fixed... it's not. These numbers change to suit the current market condition to insure big investors get their investment back

>>4770414
>Bought equal parts crypto and stocks varying from nuclear/medical/technical a few months ago. Crypto up close to 20%, stocks up to 8%
I don't regret a thing familam, different markets, different outcomes. All net positives in my book. Only regret is I'll have to wait longer to cache out stocks to make up all the gay fees while crypto only gets hit up for the few different flavours I initially invested in.
Why are you regretting anything OP, are you retarted as pic truly intends to depict?

>>4777465
that was the point I was trying to make.

The value is finite.
that value is not that high right now.

>>4777605
if you like the company by all means feel free to invest.

Im just not looking for a stock like that right now

Apple announcements this month, watch AMD

>>4777649
appreciate the feedback, we need more guys like you here.

>>4777825
no problem.

i think there are a few people that come through this thread that has some good knowledge, its just there is a just a few people in here that rather try and shit post then to actually have a serious conversation about making some money.

>>4775738
Who would hire a man who took a shit on his boss's desk?

i own macys
how did i lose money today

>>4778067
i bought some AET stock because CVS is going to buy it out next year for $207 (stock+cash) a share

people fucking did a sell off anyway lmao

i unironically woke up at 4am to buy shares early. turns out i actually bought the top :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^)

Pretty aggravating how months of careful holding of a balanced (yet admittedly tech heavy) portfolio can have gains erased within a couple of days.

Don't let mania fool you kids, looks like I need to pick up some SPY and QQQ.

>>4778384
i might pick up some rope if this week keeps going on like this

>>4771532
>9 shares
my sides anon

>>4778413

I understand this is the way a market works. Unless you are an expert you can't really "know" whether your timing was a good decision or mere luck. In a bull market you're going to be lucky more times than not and I think it gives a lot of people the false perception that they're doing something personally right or actually "beating the market", I know I felt that for a while riding the high.

There are few things you can be sure about: the market will always exist and will always trend upwards with enough time so investing in SPY (and to a lesser extent QQQ) as your base will give you some peace of mind as to knowing you aren't just permanently burning your money in the event of a downturn.

I wasn't even chasing big memes, my biggest meme was PYPL and that's only 15% of my portfolio, and yet QQQ alone has outperformed me in the past 3 months of holding what I thought were topline gainers.

I advise everyone to reevaluate whether they're actually on the cutting edge of outperforming market indices or simply getting lucky before they reach the day or week where shit comes back to fuck their ass.

And Chipotle longs in the house?
We did good today.

I would have sold but I got up too late today. Got to get up early tomorrow.

CMG!

FNKO that's where it's at don't know if it's too late for you to get in

What stock should I put 20 bucks in

>10k
>Buy 100$ worth of stock from 100 penny stocks
>wait 5 years
>???
>profit

>>4778591
Colgate

>>4770391
>>4770333
>>4770305
>>4770917
>>4770922
>>4770933
BUY THE FUCKING DIP. Monetary policy has not changed and Bond market is moving up.

>>4778517
>
I advise everyone to reevaluate whether they're actually on the cutting edge of outperforming market indices or simply getting lucky before they reach the day or week where shit comes back to fuck their ass.
Good advice. This last month has humbled me like a motherfucker.

SPY isn't really that safe either, you would've been bagholding for 6 years if you bought it at the top in 2007 (pic related)

>>4778698
wait for the rebound

i bought the SQ dip like a fool on friday and I'm down almost 4% on it

>>4778591
honestly im thinking about buying some ODP for the morning, i think it'll make a run for $4 if it doesn't make it i think it'll atleast get close and i think the risk reward is there desu

>>4778354
Is AET still available to trade? How was it still moving when a buyout was already announced? Why are people selling even though when you take into account how many CVS shares you get, you're still up despite them buying the stock for less cash than the current value?

TRXC

>>4778699
You'd be bagholding anything you bought in 2007.

>>4778517
>the market will always exist and will always trend upwards with enough time

>>4778699

I mean it is "safe" in that it is guaranteed to never bottom out or stay down over time. If the market crashed permanently our lives would have far bigger problems to deal with (anarchy, apocalypse)

And if you bought at the very peak of the boom then you'd simply be really really unlucky lol. I think this bull has plenty of run left in it we just misunderstand how the money moves around over the course of time so it isn't wise to put all or most of your eggs in speculatory baskets.

I don't like thinking of my stocks as a gamble as much as I think of my crypto as a gamble so it bothers me when my portfolio is this shitty and volatile even while the market at large is still doing fine. We really are just little fish riding whatever current the big money wants to push around.

>>4778806
>And if you bought at the very peak of the boom then you'd simply be really really unlucky
id imagine someone has done that and by the time the 3rd peak came around he was like fuck that im not doing this again, sells evertything and then it just keeps going then he chases and does it again.

>>4778751
Yes, There's some uncertainty in the market since the government still has to approve the buyout, it also won't be finalized until Q2 2018. I was hoping to just get a quick swing trade out of it from people buying in the the hype.

CVS also fell almost 5% today dragging AET with it. Apparently the CVS shares given in the buyout will add dilution or some shit

>>4778864
>>4778806
http://awealthofcommonsense.com/2014/02/worlds-worst-market-timer/

>>4778903
that story seems un-likely but i get what you are saying

>>4779029

>>4779029

What do you mean unlikely? It is mathematically correct.

Also, Buffett made a bet 10 years ago that merely dumping your money in SPY would outperform hedge funds, a few fund managers took him up on it and they lost by a fair margin

You're paying for this shit with your time, so the very easiest thing you can do is simply invest in the market's existence and success

>>4770333
Trump russia autism caused a stock market crash, its going back up by the weekend

seriously though what sort of analysis do you guys do to determine your entries? are any of you real traders?

>>4777605
Read your guys convo. Not sure what to think about AMRS now.

Tomorrow is always a new day!!! Nothing wrong with a little pullback every now and then! hahahahaha

>>4779394
i buy what jim cramer tells me to

>>4779394
>analysis
>are any of you real traders?

Why are you guys holding AMD... its probably going to go bankrupt soon, just look at the cash flow

>>4779394
buy low sell high

BGFV is still pretty low imo
could run to the teens pretty easy with over 56% short interest

>>4779394
Yeah warren buffet posts here all the time

>>4779394
Personally, Im pretty selective on what I put my money in so I reject a lot of potential investments. Something gets shillled here, I usually take a look at the company's balance sheet, see that it has negative book value and millions of negative dollars in retained earnings and that's that I don't invest. If I don't understand the business, I don't invest. If the P/E is too high, I don't invest. If I find something I feel comfortable with I put money in. But I'm a long term hodler, unlike most of /biz/ so ymmv.

>>4779419

$17 EOY! Right?

>>4779525
I tricked some dumb autist here into buying my coca cola bags a week ago. hehehe

>>4779394

Meme magic

>>4779394
If it shows up on reddits Robinhood forum, and I see it posted here, I'll check stocktwits which will tell me how bullish it is. Then I buy it during lunch because everything drops at lunch time

>>4770333
Pajeets utter failure of vega trash and ryzen getting btfo by intel instantly

>>4777825
>>4777465
>>4777605

Yo, I am that dumb shit dude from earlier.

I looked through the annual 2016 and looked at the major risk factors, and looked at the convertible shares. Honestly, this is getting so confusing, you need to spend an entire day to really grasp WTF is going on with their debt financing.

Overall, I went back to their quarterly reporting, and they reported on the debt financing.

Many of it is actually paid back in cash, or PIK. Only one debt instrument is convertible to common shares.

I am a Canadian CPA, and I forgot quite a bit of my accounting stuff, as I mainly do regulation work.

But they provide a diluted EPS, and it isn't far off from the non-diluted.

Hence, might be some dilution, but we won't know for sure until maturity. and it doesn't seem to be very significant.

I would definitely monitor the year over year common shares outstanding to see how much dilution occurred.

All in all, I think the business strategy for this company is quite good. and i kind of liking it. I wish I had more time digging into the financials and reading it all, it is such a complex company.

>>4780965
I agree.
that was my point of view as well.

over all, I think the outrageous revenue projections and the shrinking expenses make this a clean buy.