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>>4209532
I thought nobody noticed. What a fucking Sunday.

It's a stupid old fork, no one cares.

>>4209532
Why would it flip
It ain't flipping son

the only flippening that could ever happen would be with ethereum. literally nobody is going to sell their bitcoin and buy some chink alt instead. literally nobody (apart from chinks and those that got tricked by them)

>>4209866
its only a couple months old retard

>>4209881
nigger

>>4209884
Still, it's irrelevant at this point.

To the trash.

>>4209840
Barely flipped. Fucking nigger.

The next one stopping at 900.

>>4209871
It will flip because BTC vs B2X is a knifefight, in that it will most likely end with both fatally stabbing eachother. Bitcoin Cash has none of the baggage associated with the bitcoin civil war.

>>4209909
is it really irrelevant? at #3 on coinmarketcap?

>>4209929
It's been a mirror image of btc for the past few days you slant eyed nip

>>4209896
sorry chink, your importance in crypto is slipping away by the day

>>4209881
Which bitcoin is really the alt coin though?

>>4209986

Also people will seek it out as a safe haven, because its fucking reliable and safe.

Once people do seek it out as a safe haven they're likely to keep it (or a portion of it) when they realise its cheap to transact, fast and stable and this invariably will lead to further price rises and stability.

Ultimately BCH will dominate crypto, it is only a matter of time.

>>4210018
anything that isn't the bitcoin blockchain as it is today, is an alt. if b2x had majority support then it would simply become bitcoin, like segwit was softforked into.

but it doesn't have majority of anything, other than the centralized chinese monopoly on mining that satoshi didn't think ahead enough to see, so no matter what happens, b2x will forever be b2x, and not bitcoin. there will always need to be a distinction between what is b2x, and what is bitcoin, just like bcash.

>>4210040
But BCH is actually the original BTC blockchain.

>>4209881
Do you realize normies do not have a clue if it is chink, or not?

>>4210069
The original BTC chain had EDA?

>>4210069
how is an altcoin that changes the difficulty algorithm so miners can play pump and dump with it on purpose bitcoin? it's not even close. bitcoin isn't the tech, it's the network, and bcash has no network.

>>4210087
they are becoming more and more informed, and whatever happens with this takeover attempt in a week or so, regular people are definitely going to know that the chinks were behind it.

>>4210087
lol bitcoin was a chink thing before if was a negro thing

>>4210018
Segwit is a soft fork. So it's still the original chain.

It will flip likely, because wallstreet are jelly from BTC moonride. They want the experience as well. Plus they lost a lot of credibility for being totally retarded ang missing a financial revolution. BCH will rise to 2,5 k minimum

>>4209532
the flippening is with ZEC
look at CMC
when BTC bleeds a little, ZEC will literally moon
i don't know why i help you degenerates. but the USD value against ZEC is insanely low, and will fucking skyrocket after this retard normie BTC pump.
DYOR fags. don't listen to shills. zero ZEC shills ever. it's all a misdirect

>>4209990
Stolen marketcap.

>>4210018

>>4210100

Every fork brings upgrades and changes you dumbarse. Bitcoin has forked numerous times without splitting until those cryptokikes at blockstream took over.

The EDA was introduced into bitcoin to prevent the chain from dying, which is why it is called an EMERGENCY difficulty adjustment. It's being swapped out because it's no longer necessary, and replaced by superior DAA than Segwit1x.

And yes, it is the original chain because the chain of digital signatures (the literal definition of bitcoin) remains unbroken, unlike all other Segwit forks.

>>4210166
and to add. They did that stupid fucking Palm Beach thing to draw people to ZENCASH LOL
#spoonfedplebs

>>4210185
every change bcash made has made it objectively worse. they can barely keep up merging updates and fixes from bitcoin, and when they change anything, they need a hard fork in a month to fix the mess they've made.

if you need to fork to "prevent the chain from dying", you've failed, and your chain should die. simple as that.

>>4210107
bitcoin's never been a negro thing, the chinks only got involved when mining took off and they started producing asics and then they got the idea that they have some right to have their opinion heard as janitors of the network.

>>4210166
shh quiet

>>4210177
The core devs develop Bitcoin. Everything else including Segwit2x is a fork.

>>4210185

It has less accumulated hashrate and it can never catch up, so it isn't bitcoin.

That's
>Satoshi's Vision

>>4209881
>>4210008
>>4210040
>>4210103
>>4210214

>>4210247
Segwit2x is just a Block Adjustment.

>>4210214

You know only paid shills refuse to name Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Cash. 3 months is not 1 month, no mess has been made, except for the segwit1x chain's code of course.

Bitcoin Cash is bitcoin.

>>4210247
if the community decides they want to all move elsewhere, then the devs that work only on the core client get left behind, but the community right now has no confidence in developers that can't seem to work with the biggest development team in bitcoin.

>>4210254
that only matters for forks within the same consensus, bcash and b2x both break consensus, so it doesn't matter how long their chain is.

one thing that is absolutely clear, is that the difficulty adjustment is not meant to be messed with for any fork, because satoshi explicitly designed it so minority forks like bcash could not survive. going against that is absolutely going against what satoshi had in mind for fork protection in bitcoin.

>>4210276

Only shills insist people don't call it bcash, it's a fucking faster to use nickname you daft fuck.

No one cares if you're triggered.

>>4210276
>paid shill
roger ver is the only person paying people for their opinions and hash rate, ive not seen proof anybody else is

besides, bcash is a more reasonable name, seeing as it's about as relevant to bitcoin as omisego is to ethereum. you don't just get to decide to be called bitcoin x, especially something as purposefully ambiguous as "cash".

i suppose youre one of those people who are for laws to prosecute those that refuse to call a man in a dress a woman?

>>4210295
>>4210310

>What is a ticker

You're both blatantly lying it's pathetic.

BCH/BCC is just fine and dandy, but you refuse to associate Bitcoin with Bitcoin (cash) and instead attempt to disassociate Bitcoin (cash) by calling it bcash.

I know you're paid to do it but seriously you can't be earning much from this shilling gig right?

>>4210365

>Language works and evolves because of how Bittrex lists the words

No.

>>4210365
more deflection about being a "paid shill". you know the vast majority of the bitcoin community that takes a side in this matter is absolutely against bcash, regardless of their stance on 2x or not? right?

when you purposefully chose a deceptive name to try and trick people into thinking an airdropped altcoin is bitcoin, don't expect anybody to want to play along with your games.

you can keep trying to desperately pump it as much as you like, but when you honestly think that
>Ultimately BCH will dominate crypto, it is only a matter of time.
you really come across as somebody so new and inexperienced in this space it's no surprise you got taken in by all this political fronting.

>>4210419
>>4210409

Who mentioned Bittrex? The ticker is recommended by Bitcoincash.org

Anywho you two faggots have been outside of your echo chamber for too long you should go back. Say hello to that cancerous fuck theymos for me!

Bitcoin Cash is bitcoin.

Bitcoin Cash is Satoshis vision and the one blockchain that can actually scale.

>>4209881
But most people already have it from the beginning?

>>4210247
The core devs only act in a way that benefit their for-profit company blockstream. They should not be allowed anywhere near btc development

>>4210419
>you know the vast majority of the bitcoin community that takes a side in this matter is absolutely against bcash,
Literally, only the censored subreddit. You should go back there

>>you purposefully chose a deceptive name to try and trick people into thinking an airdropped altcoin is bitcoin
It is bitcoin, unlike 1mb segwit, which has nothing to do with what's described in the bitcoin whitepaper.
>you can keep trying to desperately pump it as much as you like, but when you honestly think that
None of us is desperate, even if it crashes, I've held btc since 2013, I can hold bitcoin cash for 5 more years before normies figure out that btc is completely useless, lightning network doesn't work and they've been scammed.
>you really come across as somebody so new and inexperienced in this space
Everyone from 2013 and before that is now in Bitcoin Cash. You're literally a newfag who read a few reddit posts and thinks he's informed.

>>4210448


How language is used isn't decided by bitcoin cash either, though obviously your thoughts and opinions are if you can't get your fucking head around that.

>>4210567
you're clearly stuck in your bubble. this has nothing to do with reddit at all, look anywhere, on any forum, even chinese forums, twitter, meetups. nobody gives a shit about bcash other than the fact that it was a terrible decision and is only ever going to be a pump and dump exchange alt, as it was explicitly designed, thanks to the broken difficulty.

>Everyone from 2013 and before that is now in Bitcoin Cash
are you even listening to yourself? holy shit dude the chinese really did a number on you. if the whales from 2013 and earlier were in bcash, bitcoin proper would have been dumped when it came out. but there were no huge sales of any old coins in bitcoin. you can check this yourself, bitcoin has a blockchain, you know?

Core shills are the fucking worst. They call Bitcoin Cash a worthless shitcoin when it works exactly the same as how Bitcoin did since the genesis block in 2009 to segwit, then they go on to sing bitcoins praises in the same breath. They are bare faced liars and they know it.

>>4210634
>bitcoin proper would have been dumped when it came out
Or they just understand risk management and hold both.

>>4210634
>Stay absolutely gold fish retarded and poor.

>>4210508
that doesn't really mean anything. they also have bgold, who gives a shit? the chinks are all about this forking "scam" now, and this time next year there's going to be 10 more forks that nobody cares about.

it's telling that everyone is so desperate to create drama about bcash "taking over", because at the end of the day that's all it's good for: political arguments and shit slinging against bitcoin, which is just continuing on like normal.

if a few extremists honestly think bcash is bitcoin, then they only have to look at the price to see that "bitcoin" under the command of a handful of terrible developers, with sporadic mining support only when it conveniences the chinks, is worth less than 10% of what this other "imposter" bitcoin is worth.

sums it up doesn't it.

>>4210653

The absolute state of Craig Wright

>>4210653
Exactly lmao
It is literally bitcoin with larger blocks, no segwit or RBF. The only thing that changed was the EDA but it will be fixed anyway.

>>4210676
i can almost guarantee that i own more crypto than you do. which is why i'm not desperately trying to pump and dump shitcoins like bcash. i'm set for multiple lifetimes, and in fact this drama is probably going to be good for me for the non-bitcoin assets i hold.

but long term, a chink takeover of bitcoin will be disasterous for this entire space, and everybody knows it, they just don't want to see it.

>>4210693
>The only thing that was changed has to be fixed

>>4210686
Resorting to ad hominens again because your arguments have no substance

>>4210693
>will be fixed
yeah, that's what we want right? "developers" who have to hard fork once a month to fix their obvious fuckups, perfect for a 100+ billion coin. and what's going to happen when we need real scaling, like new signature types, or fixes against unknown crypto vulnerabilities in the future? you really think this group of puppet developers is going to be able to manage a coin as important as bitcoin if they managed to completely fuck up the one change they made to their little fork?

>>4210679
bgold is an absolute shitcoin though. At least BCH has a reason for existing.

but yeah, no reason to call it bitcoin if it doesn't have the most accumulated work

>>4210709
>Core shills

You don't make much in the way or arguments. If anyone says anything you just say they've been paid. You're daft.

>>4210703
>>4210713
but how else would they have ensured the survival of the fork without big miner support?

and if BCH somehow became bitcoin, don't you think it would attract lots of high quality devs?

>>4210727
that's all they have, because the tech isn't on their side. they're left with political ramblings and conspiracy theories, while walking right into the dragon's den oblivious to the fact that this debate is only a debate because of the huge mining centralization we have in china, the one true threat to bitcoin today.

>>4210743
exactly, their fork didn't deserve to exist. they explicitly went against satoshi's original design to prevent minority forks like this, and then they have the gall to ramble on about "satoshi's vision" when they've literally broken one of the core properties of proof of work. you might as well throw it all away and make it a erc-20.

>>4210727
But core shills do exist though, I don't need to tell you about /u/theymos and his blatant censorship because you probably know him personally.

>>4210634
>look anywhere
There's a grand total of 27 paid trolls on twitter (google "Dragon's den"). And a censored subreddit, and a bitcointalk.org forum which is also used for propaganda.
Those 27 paid trolls push a great quantity of posts, but if you just focus on people who have something substantial to say, it's 80% Bitcoin Cash supporters.
>the chinese really did a number on you
You were literally brainwashed into thinking this is some sort of Chinese conspiracy. I can tell you're not a paid troll, but you are living in a bubble. Roger Ver alone has more bitcoins (300k) than the entire Blockstream corporation combined (they actually asked for donations to pay for Luke Jr-s internet connection and broken window when btc hit $4k). But BCH didn't get to keep the Bitcoin name and BTC ticker, so obviously it wouldn't get a much support. He's smart and he's buying bch cheap now. As are Erik Voorhees, Emin Gun Sirer, Gavin Andreesen, Ryan X Charles, and plenty more people with 10000BTC+ stashes.

Isn't it like 0.08 and was 0.2 a few weeks ago??? What a shitcoin lol. Good luck with it.

>>4210764
>they explicitly went against satoshi's original design
>what is segwit?

>>4210765

BCH shills are obsessed with fucking reddit. IDGAF.

>>4210764
yeah, agreed that neither BCH nor the current BTC really aligns with Satoshis vision anymore

There's a dedicated group of people that spend each day harassing anyone who promotes the original vision for Satoshi’s Bitcoin

>>4210790
This is what you sound like

>>4210818
>Ad Hominem!

You're just easily triggered. Come up with something interesting other than "Muhh Shills."

I hope you're not getting paid much cos you're doing a terrible job. I might phone Craig and tell him what stupid cunts he hires.

>>4210765
>>4210769
but that's about as relevant as saying r/btc is destroying bitcoin with it's downvoting brigading. neither of these shitholes matter in the grand scheme of things, the community sentiment at large is already clear enough, even if you remove any of the reddit echo chambers.

you really believe the people who believe in the technology and dismiss the political games trying to be played are the ones that have been brainwashed? you realize brainwashing is a political game, right? the fact that you're on this anti-bitcoin crusade is a far bigger signal of having "seen the light" than people like me who are explicitly interested in the code and not the opinions of miners.

>>4210785
you really think changing something as core as the difficulty algorithm, the underlying principle of proof of work, is even remotely comparible to a softfork that added an optional transaction type to bitcoin?

you can do better than that. as far as tech goes, this shitty puppet developer team has shown absolutely no idea what they're doing, and they've played you all by riling up the misinformed masses using catchphrases like "satoshi's vision" while going against it in the most important way.

dear sir , my boss say trolling on social media is not a substitute for mining power, sorry sir

>>4210837
you understand mining power can't change consensus, yes? that was another core principle satoshi was very careful about ensuring.

he explicitly designed it such that you NEED the MAJORITY of users on the network to switch over to a new consensus code, and that miner's are incentivised to do so by the fact that the coins they mine are only valuable if they're on the same chain that everyone else, including other miners, are using.

it's always the religious satoshi fanatics that misunderstand the most about bitcoin. funny how there are many parallels to ancient religions here.

>>4210833
>Pointing out that you dont want to hear facts that are devastating to your argument is an ad hominem
>Accusing others of being paid shills when we can clearly tell you are from /r/bitcoin due to the way you reddit space your posts

>>4210892

Mate, you've made seven posts. All of them are literally, in their entirety, "you've been paid." The other one referred to moderation of a Reddit sub.

I D O N T C A R E A B O U T R E D D I T

It doesn't inform my opinions. I think the entire setup is toxic. Downvoting is moderation by groupthink anyway.

You have made ZERO arguments that could remotely be described as "devastating"

>>4210697
I forgot having more assets than another person makes your IQ higher than that of a gold fish. My bad.

If you like it or not, changing the underlying algo is not as bad as segregated witness. BTC now is something perverted, something that should never have seen the day of light. there are people out there who actually believe in the idea of bitcoin, people holding it since 2009 or 2010 and who actually see it as a revolution and not something to make fast GAIINNZZZ off. Off all the available coins, BCH is the one mnost resembling the original idea. And this is why it will never die. FU segwit1x retards FU i cant wait for the fucking day until BTC is worth 15k and I sell the fucking bagload of crap shit coins i have lying around. there are people out there who hold 10k+ BTC and they do it not because they want to get rich, but they held it trough all the tops and lows, when it went to 17 cent and then back to 1 cent againg, for the idea. You will never understand the forces behind this. I should not write any of this but i just want to get it off my chest and tell you F U C K B T C

>>4209532
Pumped Korean shitcoin is still Pumped Korean shitcoin.

>>4210912
Tell us how you really feel, Roger

>>4210835
I couldn't care less about /r/btc, it's still reddit. But instead of brainwashing propaganda, it's bitter bitcoiners who got banned from /r/bitcoin.

>you really believe the people who believe in the technology and dismiss the political games trying to be played are the ones that have been brainwashed
I've yet to see a decent argument against 8mb blocks (and 32mb blocks in a year or two). In fact, Adam Back, Andreas Antonopoulos and Theymos were huge proponents of the idea - before it meant that blockstream couldn't profit from a functional bitcoin. Once this became the case they suddenly changed their mind and coordinated trolling began. That's the actual conflict of interest. "Believe in the technology" literally means nothing in the context you used it in. What technology? They don't seem to believe that a bitcoin where you can actually transfer money quickly and cheaply is possible. That's the opposite of believing in a technology.

>>4210908
>I D O N T C A R E A B O U T R E D D I T
>that reddit spacing
Nigger please, you stink of reddit.
Furthermore, out of my previous 7 posts I only mentioned paid shilling once. You're the one that keeps bringing it up like you have a guilty conscience or something.

>>4210942
I guess you're not worried at all of how many Bitcoin nodes are out there.

>>4210265
>>4210653
>>4210765

>Furthermore, out of my previous 7 posts I only mentioned paid shilling once. You're the one that keeps bringing it up like you have a guilty conscience or something.

>>4210912
>>4210942
It is very interesting indeed that most of the current core devs
1) didn't even believe in bitcoin in the beginning which is why they don't even hold many
2) used to be for big blocks before the creation of blockstream

Ok, Bcash advocates. How does Blockstream exactly benefit from Segwit?

>>4210970
PAID shilling you fucking retard

>>4210912
> there are people out there who hold 10k+ BTC
are you one of these people? also what do u think these btc elites think about BCH? what would be their move? hypothetically of course

>>4210961
In the whitepaper, "node" literally means miner.
This blockstream definition of node was made up in order to make some excuse for keeping the blocks at 1mb, so that children in Africa could afford to run nodes. Even though they can't afford a btc transaction. And you bought this shit, you actually did...

>>4211022
If you don't understand how nodes and miners are different, you really do not understand Bitcoin at all. Remove nodes and you remove censorship resistance. Remove censorship resistance and you remove the entire point of the whole fuckign thing.

>>4211007
>PAID shilling you fucking retard
Now we've established youre retarted I'll say it again.
>You're just easily triggered. Come up with something interesting other than "Muhh Shills."

>>4210988
i believe blockstream needs segwit in order to implement ln. also adam back admitted monetizing lightning network channels

>>4211040
>Remove nodes and you remove censorship resistance.
I'm not saying remove all people who hold the entire blockchain on them. In an actual bitcoin implementation every merchant should want to run a node (by blockstream definition) in order to safely support 0-conf payments.
But blockstream destroyed 0-conf anyway, lmfao.
Also, every post of yours sounds like a commie slogan. You learned some phrases by heart and you have no idea what they mean.
>Remove censorship resistance and you remove the entire point of the whole fuckign thing.
So let's censor the 2 biggest forums, pay trolls on twitter, threaten people, ddos nodes supporting bitcoin unlimited, so that we achieve censorship resistance. FULL-RETARD

>>4211055
I repeat: how does Blockstream benefit from Segwit? Just because people can monetize running LN does it mean it's some fucking grand conspiracy. You need to do a lot better than that. As far as I know LN is an open protocol. Bitcoin Core is 100% open source. Anyone can fork it, anyone can contribute to it.

IF Blockstream had some hidden ability to capture Bitcoin, that would be an entirely different story, but you haven't shown any such thing.

Bcash, on the other hand, is very obviously striving hard to be more centralized and more easily controllable. Less devs, less open, just a few big shots driving it, worse code, worse future, shitty algorithm that is breaking not just mining of Bcash, but also Bitcoin.

>>4211104
doesnt lightning network rely on segwit?

>>4211070
Here's a hint: if you try to discuss with other people seriously try to avoid ad hominems in order to not discredit yourself and what you are saying.

Also I don't see how what some idiots do on some forums has anything to do with the actual technology and how people use that technology.

/r/btc and its ilk have shown to have no real technical arguments.

You got banned for being a troll, and you're mad. That doesn't really have much to do with Bitcoin, does it?

>>4211167
Here;s a hint. If you try to discuss with other people seriously try to avoid reddit spacing, it makes it obvious that you're coming from /r/bitcoin.
There's no ad hominem in my post. And you never answered anything about knowing what a node is, how discouraging merchants from running them will increase node counts, how censoring and DDoS-ing nodes provides censorship resistance.
You might want to consider going back to where you came from.

>>4211104

Segwit isn't even fucking required for LN you stupid fucking shill.

Segwit is literally designed as a first step to turn Segwit1x into a virtual fiat currency controlled by the cryptokikes at blockstream and their kike overlords.

bitcoin is a store of value, noone gives a fuck about the tech
if btc was to die why would people jump into a shitcoin fork with similar tech? they would go for some fast/cheap alts
noone will trust bitcoin after if fails, because people are gonna be scared that in a few months there will be another drama with another fork being supposedly "the real one"

Seriously, just because some of you loaded your bags with bitcoin trash doesn't mean the entire world will switch to your scam making you a millionaire

>>4211316
https://discord.gg/TnFfsU
kurwa

>>4211223
You are confusing me with another guy. I guess calling me a commie isn't an ad hominem? So not only ad hominem, but also trying to be a sneaky cunt. I have might visited /r/bitcoin once or twice. I do not give two shits about your pissing contest. It sounds to me like you're some fucking cultist.

Simple point here is that you can't defeat a simple argument with facts or logic and have to find other means to win.

>>4211279
>shill
Cultist.

Segwit also brings a malleability fix, which makes LN much easier to implement.

A malleability fix, that to my knowledge, Bcash doesn't have.

>>4211355
>why does blockstream need segwit?
U answered ur own question

>>4211453
Malleability fix is a secret backdoor, that lets Blockstream control Bitcoin? Is that your argument?

>>4211479
Precisely

>>4211355

Ah the malleability fix that hasn't been a concern for 9 years, great point. Holy fuck let me buy some BTC bags off you, NOT.

I'll keep my Bitcoin Cash because it's quite literally the only Bitcoin. As I said before Bitcoin is defined as an unbroken chain of digital signatures.

>>4211573
Semantics. Bcash is going nowhere except by artificially propping it up on social media by pretending that a ‘flippening’ is likely.

>>4211782

Support is growing day by day champ, your FUD ain't working. Time to look for a new job.

were going to make it homies...all hail the new king...

https://youtu.be/inXQAj0Wlno

>>4210567
rekt

/thread

>>4211548
Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams

>>4210835
>>4210942
Actual discussion in /biz/ god bless you two people.

Bottom line is teach us how to make money off of this scam or not.

>>4212234
Jet beams dont melt steel fuel

Weekend slump finally over. We're hitting 1k this week.

>>4212161
Hahaha very nice anon, bcash is satoshis vision.