/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>397904
Web dev.

About 45k, but it's all good. I basically only browse 4chan and read manga at work anyway.

Like I'm doing right now

>>397908
are you in kiev?

>>397910
Nah, Sweden. Why?

>>397904

$45K AU. What's that, like $25K US once you take the exchange rate and buying power into account? Keep in mind I have to work two jobs and a 60 hour week for this, too.

Feels poor as all fuck man. I'm only 18, but I already feel like I've fucked up. I don't know whether to go to university or not, and I can't start my own business because I don't have any fucking idea what sort of market segment needs more business. I'm too dumb to invest money without losing it, too.

Fuck me sideways, /biz/, I really don't want to be poor for my entire life. But it seems like I'm destined for it.

>>397916
I work with a dev team in kiev just wondering.

you do work for international companies or swedes?

Guitar teacher here.
I work 3 hours a day, and make $60k.

>>397920
Been with the same employer for a few years now, so just Swedes I guess.

About $130k a year doing programming/projects for a financial company.

>>397919
>I can't start my own business because I don't have any fucking idea what sort of market segment needs more business.

> which market needs more business


Yes you are destined to be poor.

>>397933
>Yes you are destined to be poor.

Yep. It fucking sucks.

>>397936
don't be so hard on yourself. you know what buying power is, that puts you above like 80% of everyone in the workforce.

my advice: get any kind of degree that is cheap, shows you can commit to a long term endeavour, and has a flexible range of applications. I went to art school like a moron, but switched my major to art & technology. So in my interviews I could make it relevant to anything from chopping up PSDs to human computer interaction, to web development, to UX. Don't do it online, that's for plebs and you dont learn anything about dealing with people.

And if you're serious about getting into business for yourself you need to arm yourself with knowledge. I started my own company when I was 19 with 5K I got from selling my dad's old mercedes when he died. It went bust as fuck but it was a great learning experience because I had 15 people working for me. Go for it.

Read this entire series and you should be good to start making some smart decisions. And even if you fail you'll learn something.

http://www.amazon.com/Entrepreneurs-Toolkit-Techniques-Business-Essentials/dp/1591394368

>>397936
You're not destined to be poor. You're just mistaking +1VGpEuv, a random person who makes more money than you for being all knowing. Keep in mind making a lot of money doesn't equal being able to see the future. Don't take peoples insults so seriously.

>>397904
how do you negotiate contracts?

>>397945
recruiters. they take a cut but that way I only have to interview, and I can negotiate with the recruiters. if you're good they holler at you on linkedin.

>>397904
>so how much do y'all niggas actually make?
>Freelance Applications Developer here. My current rate is 75/hour for minimum 3 month contract, so ~156K a year.

Cool man. I'm a freelance business consultant and developer. My current rate is $20,000/week; minimum contract is 18 months. So I'm basically making about a $750,000. I only work about 3/4 of the year, and never work more than 30 hours a week; of which I spend shitposting on here a lot of the time.

How you get into application development? How does someone do that?

First person to deposit 5,000 into my paypal account wins this argument.

>>397951
this is from my last 6 month contract. paid ~55,000.
with the one i just started my rate is 75.

>>397956
What is an application developer? How does someone become one? How do you get contracts/clients?

128k
software developer at an investment bank
live and work in NYC

>>397968
I do web apps. Look up backbone, angular, javascript MVVM / MVC.

Start small, pissant jobs for nobody's. Craigslist is a good start for shitty web design / development jobs. Soon enough if you're not an idiot people will start contacting you on linkedin. Then the recruiters and headhunters start calling. As long as you keep up with the newest tech you'll be drowning in work.

>>397968

take computer science or computer engineering in college. or some sort of math/physics might work too if you want to be a quant.

have a linked in profile, recruiters will contact you day and night

>>397973
heres an example. I get this shit 2-3 times a week.

I make 9600dollars/year in car factory.
Best job I found here in eastern block. I work 40hour week.
Thanks to Chinese phone and free skow 3g internet I am able to browse 4chan at work. Like this.
I need to get some buzsnis idea. This shit is killing me. Currentlz I am saving 400 bucks /month. Living here is cheap

>>397979
from one sofware dev to another, have have you ever tried hitting on the cute recruiters who message you on linked in?

>>397973
>>397979
Cool man. Thanks. Do you have to live in a certain area (like around metro areas like Chicago for Illinois)? Also, congrats on your success.

>>397982

working in bigger cities will get you higher pay because of the cost of living adjustments and more competition for good programers

>>397979
>>397982
Oh, also, can you do everything remotely?

>>397981
no. I flirt a bit for fun, but never to actually bang them. I have a girlfriend and she's an Otaku's wet dream, weird tattooed cyberpunk chick who plays vidya and has a blue mohawk and is also a web developer. So I'm good.

But besides that you can get put in the "horndog" file real quick, and most recruiters are women who will gossip about you and tell other recruiters you're a creep.

>>397989
no. you gotta show up mostly.
and I live in a major metro city but can't tell you which one.

>>397993
Thanks. How many hours do you work per week? How many hours (of study or work experience) does it take to reach your level of expertise? Do you have a degree?

>>397996
I'm 3 years out of college. If you want to know my exact trajectory was:

4 years art school
3 months sitting on my ass playing minecraft looking for work
9 months working for shady internet company @ 16 / hour
3 months loony bin (did a bunch of acid and lost my mind) + 3 months recovery.
3 months learning PHP because random startup on craigslist trusted me (25 / hour)
9 months working for SEO company doing PHP found on craigslist (25 / hour or 52k, after 6 months raised to 65k because i asked for a raise)
9 months spent working for first blue chip client after consulting firm found me (53 / hour)
Just started my new gig for startup in city that has stupid amount of funding, 3 month contract for 75/hour, with renewal if I don't suck (I have never not gotten renewed.).

I always work 40 hours, no more no less, so you can do the math there if you want.

>>398002
Thanks a lot. Interesting that you went to art school and now program. Did you know how to program at all before your first job (at shady internet company).

>>397919
>market segment needs more business
Make something up you moron.
You could sell bent lawnmower blades and dumbasses would buy it if you advertised it well.

I've got an idea now.
Sell it as 'art' and say it represents the dying industries in america that were once the world standard in craftsmanship and engineering.
Idiots will hang that shit on their walls and in a museum.
The higher the price the better.

>>398002
Did you fight with choronzon qhen you flipped out on acid?

>>398043
pretty much. I thought the nazis were chasing me and had ported me into a different universe where I had to relive the suffering of christ on a sunday while the vatican had gathered to watch me fail or succeed (like so many before me) and were in contact with me as long as I touched water every 7 minutes.

Also I rubbed my bare cock on an industrial circuit breaker. Not a smart idea. But it wasn't turned on thank god.

I make 85k as a developer in a shitty Podunk town in the Midwest. I save about 40k a year, hoping to retire in 10-15 years. Been making a game on the side for android and iPhone but I'll probably never finish it. Feels bad man.

>>397904
$9.20 an hour, 15-17 hours a week when I don't have to take holidays off. Yes, I am moved out, paying my own bills (including gas, car insurance and health insurance).

>>397908
>>397904
What should i learn to do freelance web developing, i'm still in school but want to make this my side gig.

I'm guessing PHP/Wordpress/Java/JSS?
whats the most essential so i can start working immediately.

>>398765
learn HTML / CSS for basic design

learn jquery for basic code and manipulating CSS/HTML.
learn javascript from jquery.
learn php to create backends
learn mysql for databases / CRUD php

20.76/hr (CAD) working with payroll for a company owned by Exxon Mobil

I just finished my freshman year of college though so not too shabby for my first summer gig

>>398769
In what order should I go about learning these

>>398776
It's already in order.

>>397942
Hey man, thanks for the book idea. I am currently in school working on getting my CS/SE degree and I really would like to see my career move to an entrepreneurial setting one day.

>>397921

You're fucked without retirement and healthcare. otherwise nice.

>>397972

So that's like minimum wage everywhere else?

>>397984

competition decreases pay. econ 101.

>>398023

Do you know Tom Haverford or Jean Ralphio?

>>397991
Lucky bastard.

>>397904
make ~115k USD base; bonus up to 95% of base. i do new /biz/ development, live in NYC, work in CT. expect to hit my full bonus amount this year.

>>399019
Why are you doing it backwards? Most people live in CT and work in NYC

>>398805
he means the firms are competing for a scarce amount of good talent. it's a seller's market (sellers being us, the talent).

cheers.

>>399054
i'm young & single; why would i want to live in CT?

Just recently got hired as a Credit Risk Analyst at a bank. Starter salary at about 35k a year is pretty good-tier considering that there's the opportunity for a fuckload of overtime which I plan to take advantage of. Should get up to 50k if I apply myself with plenty of opportunities to get raises and trade up to better paying spots at different banks.

The job is stressful as fuck though, them production quotas.

>>399071
Ha. Fair enough. I suppose its easier to commute from NYC to CT in the morning than CT to NYC.

>>397904
Is it feasible to get into contract work straight out of school with some web dev knowledge and internships? I really hate the idea of committing myself to a single employer for years and putting in unpaid overtime and other bullshit that comes with full-time employment.

>>399086
Not really. Contract firms will usually have real clients with real stacks. Like Allstate or Delta or Sears. To play on that level you need at least 2 years of shitty craigslist freelance / part time / shitty full time hustle experience. So jump around, get some work done, then you can contract around. What city are you in? Maybe I can point you to some people that can help you in a few years.

Cheers

>>399073
yea, the commute's not too bad; metro north is generally ok

Is working as a cop in Alaska worth it? They make up to 70k dollars a year up there.

>>399093
Thank you, that's what I suspected and it makes sense. I'm currently in the Metro Detroit area, but I have no problem with moving out of this dump if the money is good. Any advice on how to not get assfucked by Craigslist work, or would it be better to forget about that and try to get a real job from a reputable firm?

cheers m8

>>397904
about US$350k pa - banking

>>397904
I'm wandering what path I should take.

1. Work as hard as I possibly can in college and grad school and get a phd, make money, etc.

2. Get into some freelance shit.

I want to make a lot of money and I am willing to work hard, but on free time in grad school and working countless hours a week sounds so...horrible to me.

Any advice?

>>398023
How do you start a business like that? After you decide what you want to sell.

Clear about 200k profit. eBay business running in Australia.

Sorry, not telling.

First/current job is 67k/year in software engineering.

>>397904
Started a software company with a couple business partners. Have a few developers that work for me. I make about $130K before distributions and work about 5-10 hours per week.

>>399171
drugs

>>399104
move to chicago, it's the closest metro area that has big firms. go with your gut. If you feel off about it, don't go for it. Go with your get every time and you'll be fine.

>>399072
Shit, you're getting way underpaid- I'm a software dev at a investment bank under firmrisk(but on the marketrisk side)... First year creditrisk analysts do atleast 75k, which is low even for nyc standards

I make 11.70/hr working overnights at a gas station.
I work 30 hr/week and also own my own home, own car, and live completely independently.
I just barely scrape by but I have no other options to make anything easier so I basically eat rice, milk and multivitamins for every meal and hope that nothing bad happens.
I've had second jobs before but getting shifts like 9pm-7am followed by 9am-7pm followed by 9pm-7am were killing me, and the only other jobs I could get were minimum wage too.

I want to try and learn other things to make more money. I've completed codeacademy courses to try and learn how to make a good app to make money (failed) tried learning guitar to make money off youtube with cover song videos (failed) tried streaming video games for money (failed) tried flipping cheap items on ebay/craigslist (failed) the list goes on.
Everything I try to make money with that isn't a wage-slave job fails miserably and I've basically been trying for a good 7 or 8 years so I guess I'm pretty much fucked.

>>399303
You only fail when you stop trying, anon

You label it a failure...you just haven't persisted enough to get the fruits of your labor.

>>399171
Hey how long did it take you to build up your account to that level?
I mean I started selling and I sold my monthly 10 items for July already. Now I have to sit here with my dick in my hand for the rest of the month unless they accept my request for a bump-up in sales allowance. Fucking Ebay niggers.

>>399326
I just wish I had some direction to move in. If I had some direction that I could put my ambitions toward, it would at least make me feel like I was accomplishing something if even for the moment.
But everywhere I turn, nobody has any good moneymaking ideas, myself included. So I continue to stagnate.

>>399303
Just start small: start a lawn mowing business/ window washing business/ oil change business.
Print out a couple hundred flyers and drop them off in some near-by neighborhoods. Yeah sure these will be a lot of work but you can surely make a lot more than 11.7/hr. Charge like $20-30 per lawn you can easily do 2 in an hour and boom $40-60 bucks an hour.

>>399303
All of your money making ideas are unsuccessful because you have forgotten one crucial thing: Nobody gives a flying fuck about you.

Nobody wants to watch you play guitar
Nobody wants to watch you play videgames
Nobody gives a shit about your app
Nobody cares about your trinkets on ebay

If you want to start somewhere, approach an EXISTING business with EXISTING customers. That way you can experiment / learn and if the business goes down the drain who cares, it's not your business or reputation. Then you slowly build up and eventually when you have enough clients to start with you can create your own business.

There are no "money making ideas". There is supply and demand. And nobody is demanding what you have. So work for somebody who has something / is making something people are demanding. You can't start something from nothing.

>>399388
This isn't 1956. And you're a moron. Unless he lives in a small town this would never work.

>>397979

>I've learned technologist of your caliber
not technologists
>options are being kept open
no just kept open

You do realize, that Heather Huggins is probably more like pic related? kek

>>398002
>9 months working for SEO company doing PHP found on craigslist (25 / hour or 52k, after 6 months raised to 65k because i asked for a raise)

I'm curious as to why an SEO company would want to use PHP and what for. I thought SEO companies mostly ran spamming and shilling operations to build backlinks and content while PHP is a server side OS.

I'd appreciate whatever you can tell me about their internals since someone just hired me to SEO their youtube videos and site which caters to attorney referrals and I want to make sure I'm not fired next month for being an underachiever.

Senior Data Analyst for Home Depot

$89,000/year plus 15-20% annual bonus

>>399303

Looks like your failures are all when you're managing your entire gig from A-Z. Since you have coding skills why don't you grab code jobs of Craigs or elance and just get paid that way. Let others take care of the marketing and just get paid for your work.

Also, don't you eat any plant food?

>>399419
scraping google analytics into large databases, scraping google / bing ads and campaign stats into large databases, tracking keywords over time and saving into large databases, having a custom reporting software that ties it all together.

that's pretty much what PHP was built to do.

and this was a legit SEO company not some link farming garbage. they knew all google algorithms and were legit, mostly guest posts and natural rankings. we charged a lot because your ratings didnt disappear the minute we stopped working.

Maybe 12k NZD which would be like 8k USD a year. I studied first half of 2014 and have dropped out and looking for a job but its shit out here. I survive by sharing a room with my gf.

Thinking of getting into drugs and crime to sustain my addiction to staying alive.

Im 22. Howcome so many of you cunts on /biz/ are in IT. I tried programming but it feels like im banging my head against a wall whenever I try and code. Its so frustrating you have to get every little detail right otherwise nothing will work. Its truly the most autistic OCD industry

>>399423

DUDE

Hah I'm a data analytics consultant at THD I wonder if you've worked with some of us..

What kind of work do the data analyst guys do at THD?

How deep into the data do you guys get, or do you just have someone else do the data shit and you just focus on creating some message out of the data?

>>399588
You have to program for a while for this feeling to go away. Of course you will always have stupids bugs/compilation error but after a few month/years of real work it won't feel frustrating and you will get things right faster

>>399623
OP seconds this. it took me years for code to make sense. Actionscript never made sense to me. But with jQuery it clicked and that made PHP real easy.

>>399429
>scraping google / bing ads and campaign stats into large databases,

So you were basically building something like spyfu?

Also were you using curl to do the grabbing, and is curl a good tool to know if you want to scrape and post junk with php or even python?

>>399335
About 10 months. I manufacture what I sell and I bought a store subscription almost immediately.

Investment Banker, I make ~$130k yearly

>>397979

Give her....the D.

Fuck I make $0

>>397904
I made $3k for about 15 minutes work last week
so about $ 10,4832,000 a year

>>399771
What do you do?

>>399655
we had analytics / ppc accounts for all our clients. I used curl php to talk to google, get our campaign data, and put it in our own databases so we could do our own metrics / statistics.

https://code.google.com/p/google-api-adwords-php/wiki/NoClientLibrary

>>399803
don't be gay, the Adwords API is closed and they only approve the biggest of the big campaigns for access.

now the only way to access data is using Adwords scripts and POSTing data to a site every hour:

https://developers.google.com/adwords/scripts/

>>399771
Yes I would be surprised if OP actually makes that much in a year.

I charge $1400 a day but I'd be lying if I said I make $336k. I just couldn't be bothered working 48 weeks a year.

Jesus Christ, I need to find a new job I guess. Work 50 hours a week as a manager at a gas station, make only 22K/year

>>399808
you can access adwords data through the analytics API. sorry it's been a year.

http://www.smartinsights.com/paid-search-marketing-ppc/paid-search-analytics/google-adwords-pay-per-click-data-now-available-analytics/

Construction laborer, $30,000

>>399594
I literally just started this week. prior to this I worked at IBM as a database developer, about $80k

I'm working with a data analysis team, helping maintain an inventory management product. I'm going to be responsible for creating reports and analytics to identify data content/quality issues. so, things like malformed product pricings, issues with shelve stock depreciating too quickly and taking too long to restock, segmentation analysis, that sort of thing.

I'm just learning how the db works right now. I'm already identifying some serious problems though. for example, there are a few places where we literally keep products off the shelf because some district level distributor sent product at a retarded low price, we bought it, added our mark up, and prepared to put it on the shelf .. and it wasn't until some low level store associate was like "uh, guys, are you sure we wanna sell this 2x4 for 3 cents?" that the product was removed and placed in a back room while people try to figure out what happened.

my job is to figure out how shit like that happens, catch it in the current data sets, figure out who needs to fix it, and prevent it from happening again.

>>399825
As a contractor, OP likely receives no benefits, so that factors into why he gets paid more. Also, you still have to hustle more as a contractor -- if that's you're thing, then great. If you like multi-year stability, a salaried position may be a better option. I used to be a software developer but could never have handled the uncertainty of being a contractor.

>>399899
your, not you're
too sleepy

Harvard student
Majoring in lit
Have a banking job waiting for me when Im done, should be about 170 per annum

>>399904
i hate you

Learning how to program is for dummy. All.you gotta know are the basic so you can outsource that 150k job to some Chinese developer and pay that poor shmuck 10k and make the difference. Take on your 5 difference project and make 500k a year

>>399907
Why? I worked harder than anyone I know for 6 years (grades 6 - 12) in order to have the standing I do. I kept a sleep calender in high school and ran off 5 hours a night during the school year. Extra activities, tons of AP classes, studying for standardized tests (aced ACT and SAT). If you put in the effort and remain persistent and back your original desire with passionate action you can succeed in pretty much anything. I love literature and I love living lower upper class lifestyle so that's what I'm doing.

I'm learning about beautiful words and stories and feelings and making intimate connections with other people, enough connections that financial security won't be an issue.

Everyone has this opportunity and you do too. Maybe not down to the specifics but come on.

>>399915
you actually did this? how much trouble do you have if you get caught?

>>397991
How do you even get a grill like that, Anon?
Where did you even meet her?

>>399899
Of course there's no benefits but the wage outweighs that.

I don't have to hustle. I turn down work weekly.

Don't just be a web monkey. Learn how to do hard things.

>>399926

Didn't you read that story about that weabo who worked at an 85k/year programming job and he sat in his cubicle all day browsing 4chan and other sites and outsourced his work via elance or something. It was in the news a few months back. Oh and he just got fired, no charges.

>>399925

> lit major
> harvard
> wall street

Still a lit major. Pretty much the most homosexual major after rhetoric. You better hope all those harvard loans are worth it. you better hope some stem masterrace isn't doing the job interview.

Assuming you get into banking, A) your salary won't be 170k B) you still picked a job a monkey could do.

>>399677

After jew york taxes, that's less than minimum wage. Rather make $50k in kansas. sure it's boring but I wouldn't have to breath in air pollution or get mugged by niggers everyday.

>>399388

God, stupid people like you really do exist. Did you know there are dozens of lawn mower businesses just in your area that do entire lawn care for $50/month? The larger the property the more it is.

>>399925

You slept less than 5 hours a night and still kept your brain from melting?

>>399925
you sound either very interesting and someone I'd enjoy a conversation with, or someone who's a complete self-absorbed, self important twat.

not sure which yet though.

>>397979
>talent engineer
what the fuck is this bullshit

Work in logistics for an agribusiness giant. Make about $60k after bonus and everything.

>>397904
I'm in the military so about $2/hr

Just finished my second year of comp sci and I'm doing bitch work for $18/h(CND) at a telecommunications company

Turned down the opportunity make $23/h at an oil company however I would have had to relocate, cost-benefit probably wouldn't have been worth it

>>397904
I work for a local county as an intern.
I make a whopping $0/hr.
For some reason, my savings keeps getting smaller and smaller

>>399926
It isnt illegal.

>>399771
ah shit
$104,832,000 that is

>>400913
man you guys need to launch a coup

$12/hour

Intern for an investment firm for high-net-worth individuals. Pay is shit compared to what the full-timers make, but I've learned more about the markets in the six months I've worked there than my 3 years of university.

Protip: If you want to go into finance, don't major in finance. The degree is fucking easy and does a pisspoor job of teaching you how this shit actually works. Any job that actually involves following markets will want a compsci or math/statistics degree. I was an idiot and didn't do my research, and now I'm getting a worthless piece of paper.

Fortunately the firm I work for is already planning on hiring me on once I graduate to do portfolio evaluation for them. Pay will be $65,000 a year with full health coverage and max 401k match. It's not much for the industry, but I figure once I spend a few years doing that,I'll actually be able to find jobs at other firms while also growing my own portfolio.

I also plan on getting into angel investing with the ideal goal of eventually getting into a full-time career in venture capitalism.

>>398004
>>398002
?

Unemployed earning ~$200k a year from investments.

Looking to find a good hedge fund but can't decide if they are actually worth it.

>>398630
on the outside of a breaker you will be ok

I only make $35k as purchasing agent :( The plus side is my health insurance is one of the best out there, provided through a union. I only have about 1.5 years of experience post college so I figure I'll have to grind out another year or two until I move in a position that provides more money and opportunity.

>>399100
How do you feel about dealing with drunks you cant understand, meth heads, and drunk meth heads you can't understand? Also everyone is armed

$47k Photo-shopping porn, making banners, logos, ads for porn company.

I graduated with a degree in Illustration and fell into this job for the "money." 4 years later I haven't drawn anything, feel like my life has stagnated. All I do is exercise, smoke weed, drink/do coke at bars, play videogames, and try to have relationships with girls but get tired of them (probably from watching porn 8 hours a day.)

I have an idea for a game and I've been trying to motivate myself to try and get started on it. I also want to start drawing again and try to start showing in galleries.

I have 12k in savings and I haven't taken a vacation in 4 years. I have no portfolio to speak of since I can't exactly compile all of my porn edits and bring them to an interview. I'm at a loss with what to do to escape this job if I don't ever find the motivation to go out of my comfort zone.

>>401947
lol thats crazy

6k a year (you read that right)

Working IT part time

Things will get better one I graduate, r-right guys?

It seems great (and easy) to live in USA.
My work is not very different from OP and I make less than 1/4 of his salary.

>>401947
Maybe you should compile your most successful porn edits and bring that portfolio to the interview. It might brighten your day.

>>397904

How old are you if you don't mind me asking? I'm 24 and just starting out freelancing but it's tough as shit and I've not got any contracts yet. It's hard as shit.

$15/hour working a Sales and Marketing Co-Op at a F500. Originally it was just supposed to be working in Product Planning with a bit of working with the Marketing Manager, but one of the major projects got scrapped early on so now I'm essentially working with the entire Sales & Marketing department.

Ideally, I'd like to have a role that is more slanted towards strategic decision making and data driven. So the only projects I'm really interested in are the ones I end up getting from Product Planners and the occasional one from the Global Sales Manager, but its cool to see a general overview of our largest department.

Though the Co-Op has made me realize that almost all of Marketing and Sales is just common sense and there isn't a real skill set aside from not being a fuck.

>>397979
You got any linkedin tips to attract recruiters?
Like is it keywords, references, portfolio, something else driving them to your profile?

i made 400k in 2012
made 18k in 2013

im a musician

>>402065
Just turned 25.

>>402191

How long have you been freelancing for?

>>397904
I'm a private investigator with a specialty in art crime. I do a lot of consulting with museum curators and private parties to help determine the authenticity of pieces. A couple of times I've even been hired to track down stolen works or arrest con men who try to pass off fakes.

I got my BA in international relations, then joined the Air Force. Got out early and used the GI Bill to cover my masters in art history, then went to work for the FBI for a few years before quitting and going out on my own.

About $70k a year. I love it.

>>402151
who did you compose for in 2012? Did that fuck with your taxes?

I'm 27. I worked for HP until they had lay off periods over the beginning of 2014. I was a data analyst and made about $70K. Now I'm trying to make it as a trader. Wife makes $90K and we only have 1 child, so I don't really have to do shit. I've been living like a teenager these past few months. So far my wife hasn't gave a shit about no second income, as long as I'm keeping the kid out of her hair when she comes home from work and make her dinner.

>>401990

How many hours of work?

>>401947
>escape this job if I don't ever find the motivation to go out of my comfort zone.

I knew that feel. Currently freelancing but strangely that comfortzone sickness is still holding me back. I need to rewire my brian or something.

>>399419
>PHP is a server side OS.

you have no business on the internet.

>>397951
Freelance Business Consultant and Developer, this is my dream job. Not for the money, but because it's the intersection of what I'm best at and what I love to do.

How did you get into this field? Did you start at a corp and eventually go freelance? Is word of mouth your best advertising?

>>401861
>on the outside of a breaker you will be ok
>you will be OK
>O.K.
good to know.

>>398023
>You could sell bent lawnmower blades and dumbasses would buy it if you advertised it well.

That's called being a great advertiser, not a great bent-lawnmower-blade maker. You are now claiming that it is easy for someone to invent something and be a proficient advertiser and marketer. They're usually two different jobs, and there are people out there whose entire career and multi-million dollar salaries are devoted to mastering and being dominators in those industries.

Thinking like yours is why /biz/ fails. Endless underestimation of competition. Endless overestimation of your own abilities.

>>404168

and also

>idea men are shit, you can sell any retarded old thing

Is a fallacy. Ideas matter. And idea men matter if they can achieve their ideas, being both the idea man and the engineer is called being a dynamo entrepreneur. There are plenty of them, but not everyone is one.

>>402317
Yeah, I'm feeling better and better about quitting lately. How do you go about freelancing?

>>400824
Except he is completely bullshitting.

I'm a sophomore at Yale, economics major. The idea that he can have a 170k banking job "waiting" for him is horseshit. He doesn't know that.
I get straight A's too, and I'm hoping to work on Wall Street.
Even if he did work as hard as he claims, they aren't going to just materialize into a job offer when he does not have the experience to back it up.
He will have amazing opportunities, sure, but no job will just be "waiting" for him.

>>401947
>I have an idea for a game and I've been trying to motivate myself to try and get started on it. I also want to start drawing again and try to start showing in galleries.
>I have 12k in savings

I make mobile games. Wanna do it?

>>404236

My Ivy friends generally made around $70,000 starting out as analysts. Ivy is a completely different life, because it leads to $120,000 jobs in a few years, whereas non-Ivy finance people start at $35,000-60,000 and STAY THERE. But yea, I don't know who makes over $100,000 at the first real job outside of aerospace engi / oil phds and med students.

>>404242
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. It's a good lifestyle, I'm looking forward to it hopefully. But this guy is lying about what he is going to make or is lying about going to Harvard.

>>404242
that's not true at all

>>404247

I agree with you, that's why I gave the salary estimates, which is far lower than what he is implying.

Basically, in finance/econ, it seems Ivy now does what a college degree used to do - gets you in the job on an actual career track, whereas the rest are stuck doing ops / financial rep shit or switch over to accounting and CPA it up eventually, which isn't exactly fun or lucrative.

>>404250

What exactly do you disagree with?

>>404255
In Canada, you don't need to be going to Ivy anything to be making 70k starting in finance.

>>404239
Sure man, how do we get in touch?

>>404258

1. Starting? R u evn srs. Not gonna happen.
2. Canada is actually better for jobs than the US right now. First of all, your min wage is higher to begin with. Second of all, inequality data / middle class living standards are better.

Pic related, was just there hanging out with a bunch of finance azns.

>>404264

Min wage is only important if you have poor skills, and the middle class in the us is better.

>>404264
I know for a fact that it's not hard with networking. Which is something everyone on earth should be doing anyway.

>>404264

asians go home

>>397980
You seem like a cool guy. Why don't you by shitty trendy American things and sell them to slavs?

>I literally have no idea if this would work, just thought that more people should reply to this

>>404264
Even though I personally know a handful of well networked business men in TO who could help me get a job in software, I still want to immigrate to the US. It just doesn't seem like software jobs are in Canada.

>>397904
>so how much do y'all niggas actually make?
$10/hr
28 years old

;_;

what do /biz/?

>>404268

I don't know about the rest of Canada, but Toronto and Montreal wages are higher than US and it's easier to find a decent job.

> and the middle class in the us is better.

This is objectively false. Google it. Plenty of articles on the topic.

>>404273

>with networking

lol, have fun with that. "Networking" means one of two things:

1. My daddy got me a job.
2. I have a decade or two of work experience and got to know people, I am over 35.

>>404297

Not asian.

>>404398

Cali is the best place for software in the world, that's beyond dispute.