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the lighting network requires a subscription fee to use. holy shit.
No fucking shit anonBlockstream now has SegWit jammed into BTC and it can't be removed, next they're going to lower the blocksize and force everyone into SegWit transactions and LN so everyone is stuck using bank-run LN hubs because they're the only ones "cheap" enough to send a transaction under $1,000You will pay a sub fee, submit to AML/KYC, and pay your fees to bankers instead of miners.Enjoy your new shitcoin, should have bought Cash.
specifically, you don't pay transaction fees, but rather a monthly subscription to blockstream to use bitcoin. im not even fucking with you guys.holy. fuck.
>>3186234WHT the Fuck? Source?
>>3186234yeah surefucking low tier fud
>>3186244https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6vhxn3/the_lightning_network_actually_seems_awesome_but/dm0qmrp/from the horses mouth
>>3186231>Enjoy your new shitcoin, should have bought Cash.it's not like BTC holders can't buy worthless BCC any time if they really wanted to
>>3186249ur a fucking retard
What the fuck that Gook Jeb Bush litecoin Charlie is pulling a fast one on us?
>>3186244>>3186249are you two actually retarded? all this lightning network talk and you don't even know what the fuck it is?FUCKING HELL LOL
>>3186253> Worthless BCCYa shitstain, not like it completely wrecked Litecoin and hundreds of other cryptos before it even existed, and has got ripple fighting for 4th place.Kys
>>3186191It doesn't. You're just retarded and lack reading comprehension.
>>3186318Thanks core shill, tell us again how LN is going to magically fix the clusterfuck of transactions so that people can start making SegWit transactions so people can start using LN
>>3186352they actually want to decrease block size(fact) to keep blocks full and force people to use ln(opinion)
bitcoin cash is going to moon. get in now
>>3186360
>>3186191Stop this fucking madness and buy iota.Time to liberate ourselves from the bitcoin cartel.
>>3186318>Essentially they become subscription fees to use Bitcoin, rather than per-transaction fees.What does this mean to you?
>>3186318
holy fuck holy fuck holy fuckthey were waiting for segwit to activate before dropping this bombshelland lightning is fucking patented so they're the only show in town. they're even suing the segwi2x team to prevent competition. they profit from EVERY bircoin transaction because the 1mb limit prevents on chain transactionsholy fuck, the small block shilling all makes sense now
>>3186352>fix the clusterfuck of transactionsWhat the fuck are you even talking about? The mempool backlog? Those transactions get evicted if N hours pass (72 by default) or if they get re-broadcast and validated.And where have you idiots gotten the idea that LN is subscription-based from I wonder? The comment in the pic perhaps? I know it was, no need to lie. Now re-read it until you realise you are fucking idiots and failed at basic reading comprehension.So much conviction and time spent astroturfing and you can't even grasp the basics of how bitcoin or the English language works. Nice dunning-kruger effect, brainlets.
>>3186252Read the entire thread, thats out of context
>>3186455You are retarded.
FUD harder faggots
>>3186400It means you are a fucking idiot.Now re-read the whole comment you're selectively quoting and try think really really really hard, push that little brain to the limit. You've got this.
>>3186519There's nothing to FUDBitcoin is in the banks aka Blockstream's hands>LN=No more decentralization, only usable by the rich
>>3186567you dont know what you're talking aboutfud harder
>>3186585KYS shill, Blockstream keeps letting their plans slip because theyre straight up megalomaniacs and you dumbfucks keep sticking up for themSegWit/LN is the death of BitcoinLong live the king
>>3186609Man you're retarded, the crypto community would be better off without you lying, greedy fucks
So when segwit2x goes through with a hard fork, do I just get my bitcoins on that fork?I will never pay a subscription, so it's either stop investing in bitcoin or hold my bitcoins so i can have them on the segwit2x fork.
>>3186626the irony
>>3186585lolsubscription = goodbyei dont have to pay a fucking subscription to invest in anything else lolsee you when eth market cap is $500b, shitbird
>>3186643blockstream is literally suing the segwit2x team using its segwit patents. no idea what will happen to segwit2x. they have an entire legal team on it.
>>3186658There is no actual subscription. You're just retarded and can't comprehend simple English.
>>3186674if its not a subscription then why is the word subscription in there dude
>>3186652>>3186658>paying fees>subscription Same thing you fucking morons how much is Jihan paying you
wow
>>3186700the idea that you pay a monthly bill to blockstream instead of paying per transaction is *really* bad. do you need me to explain why? it's not the "same thing."
>>3186700It defeats the whole purpose of bitcoin.why should one have to pay a subscription fee to pay reasonable fees for transactions that are still slow af. Gets better if you dont use lighting your paying 5 + a transaction ridiculous
>>3186652>>3186658>arguing semanticsAre you people this autistic? You already pay miner's fees. What this does is increase efficiency by having you "load" it essentially. You'll pay fees each week or month before your deposit runs out.https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6vhxn3/the_lightning_network_actually_seems_awesome_but/dm1ccwo/Holy fucking shit. But see this isnt going to stop you, you're going to continue to spread propaganda and fud bitcoin until everyone loses confidence in the network and crypto pulls another 2013. All out of greed. Again how much is Jihan paying you stupid fucks?Most of the people here on biz and sick and fucking tired of your shrill propaganda. Crawl back to r/btc where you belong.
>>3186700you're paying to open and close a payment hub(subscription) while doing transactions on the lightning network that doesnt pay the miners. who keeps the network secure? the miners do.
>>3186731honestly just use eth, fuck bitcoin. eth is capped at 100m tokens and gets monero level privacy next month. literally bitcoin 2.0
>>3186748> 1mb cap to force high transaction fees> pay the people who forced the cap with censorship and lies a fee to get lower feesno. just no. they could just prune the blockchain like eth does. but no, suggest any reasonable solution and you get banned from any bitcoin forum controlled by blockstream, which is all the top ones
>>3186690Because he's talking about the "on-chain fees" of the previous sentence as evidenced by the pronoun "they" and then describing them metaphorically as a "subscription" since you have to do an on-chain tx to initiate a channel.Try duolingo, I've heard it's great for pajeets and gooks struggling with english:https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.duolingo&hl=en
>>3186728Holy fucking shit you aren't paying to blockstream you dumb fucking cuck fucking kill yourself.
>>3186748>crypto pulls another 2013.literally nothing wrong with this
>>3186905actually u are though. rusty russell is lightning network's biggest contributor. you mean to tell me there is no economic incentive for blockstream to use ln?
WTF, I HATE SEGWIT BTC NOW!
>>3186921desu i would cash out my 401k, pay the 40% income tax, plus the 10% early withdrawal fee, and take the remaining $30k and buy coins with it. fuck.
>>3186840[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Core Developer 29 points 10 hours ago In the short term, Lightning should reduce on-chain fees significantly.Essentially they become subscription fees to use Bitcoin, rather than per-transaction fees.permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplyso yes it is a subscriptionbetter hop on bcc while u can
>>3186840yeah well thats just liek your opinion manif it takes money to open a "subscription" then only centralized entities will do it. you'll move your btc to that subscription and then they'll handle transferring itlike a fucking banki don want a fucking bankthats the whole point of cryptodecentralizaiton. this moves us toward centralizaiton.DO NOT WANT
the whole point of bitcoin was to take out the middleman and here is blockstream trying to become intermediary. fun times
>>3186962>>3186962You're hopeless. KYS
>>3187028Everyone's on to you Jew shillBCH is going to eat Blockstream's lunch, no fucks givenBlockstream bagholders gonna go fully autistic in less than a week when they realize SegWit doesn't do shit, LN isn't coming this year, and BCH is the real bitcoin
I dont have to pay subscription fees to pay cash to sanjay at the corner store
There's no subscription fee but Bitcoin will become a network of mini networks, where each mini network can charge users however they want.
>>3186191The lightning network does not require a subscription fee to use. Jesus christ>>3186478this
>>3187028BTC is hopeless. If we wanted the kind of crap they're offereing we would use VISA.
>>3187073 can you explain why the core developer says it is a subscription himself??? i have the quote[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Core Developer 29 points 10 hours ago In the short term, Lightning should reduce on-chain fees significantly.Essentially they become subscription fees to use Bitcoin, rather than per-transaction fees.permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplyso fuck outta here blockstream cant censor and charge subscriptions this isnt club penguin
>>3187050>Everyone's on to you Jew shill>ProjectionLN's fees is going to work like any other network. You pay fees in every fucking network. Its functionally no different. The only difference is that you load your money into a deposit to use as fees asaik. It does not require an actual subscription fee, you dumb fucks
>>3187098load your money into a depositwhy the fuck would i want to do thatthats called a bank you dumb fuck
>>3187129kek
>>3187129>why the fuck would i want to do thatYou do that when you want to use the LN network>thats called a bankNo, that's called the Lightning NetworkDo you even understand why the LN exists? Its because people dont want to spend a fuckton of time waiting around for a cup of coffee charge to be verified. Even if we went the Cash route, there still would be significant latency problems. You say that you want Bitcoin to be P2P transactional based, thats exactly what the LN is aiming to be. You say it can be accomplished with bigger blocks, but its easier said than done and Core devs have experienced the problems with scale. BTC transactions account for the majority of crypto activity today. You really show a lack of understanding for the network. You seem to think there is some grand conspiracy in the Core dev team, most people just dont see it. There is no reason for them to sabotage their own currency, crypto is still in its infancy and another coin can easily overtake BTC if it shit the bed. And then theres all the problems Cash has.
>>3187098> Requires locking funds into a payment channel, like a bank account> Funds stay locked up until you pay to close the channel, like a bank account> Fees go to channel provider, who is most likely a bank, banking 2.0> Provider can force channels closed, require registration, AML/KYC, fully vulnerable to government confiscation> Its not a fucking bank you faggots REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Well this thread was informative, just traded all my bitcoin for IOTA/ETH
miners seem to be on the move again.http://fork.lol/
>>3187204Your bullshit is so transparent it's pathetic, how much is Back paying you?
>>3187220>Bitcoin requires putting money into your wallet, like a bank account>Funds stay locked in your wallet, like a bank account>Funds go through a channel provider (miners/nodes)>Miners can quit mining and stifle the network>LOOK I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT MY ALLEGORIES ARE PERFECT REEEEEEEEEE
>>3187220Vitalik save us from Bitcoin
>>3187236LMFAO, it's like watching someone have a stroke over the internet, you don't have a single meaningful argument.Nice try retard, go back to grade school and learn something
>>3187235How much is Jhan paying you faggot? I'm just sick and tired of hearing your bullshit. How greedy must you be to fud this much trying to hopelessly crash the network? The flippenning is not going to happen you loser. People can see through your lies and propaganda.>Hur dur Core is in bed with the banks>Hur Dur LN = banking!!!111>Hur dur Cash with mega Chinese blockers is the way to go, even though it makes it even more vulnerable to a 51% attack>Hur dur theres a conspiracy!!1111>
>>3187269
>>3187276
>>3187269triggered
bch just became more profitable to mine than btc again lolbtcs network will stop working every 2 to 3 days now as the hash rate flip flops forever. mining poils already have automatic switches
>>3186234So this is the reason they fucked over bitcoin and manipulated and heavily censored forums and blocked development of just increasing the god damn block size years ago. FUCK BLOCKSTREAM.
>>3187324As far as I'm concerned them patent trolling in crypto is what really puts them over the line. I can't in good conscience support bitcoin anymore.
>>3187348I heard they are patent trolling Segwit2x, what a bunch of motherfuckers.Going all in ETH.
Reposting my thing from another thread since I'm lonely there and noone fucking responded to my explanation of the LNParty B = starbucksA= You.You lock up 1 btc by sending it to the LN channel with starbucks.You buy starbucks 50 times in a month. You're sick of starbucks now, or just want to money back to do something else.You close the lightning channel. You get whatever 1BTC- 50 starbucks is. Transaction broadcast to the blockchain now. It acts as ONE transaction, despite you making 50. You paid ONE fee. You pay a fee TO THE BLOCKCHAIN (just like you do RIGHT NOW) to open a lightning channel with B.1 fee for 50 transactions. Instead of on chain, which would be 50 fees for 50 transactions.That one fee is your subscription to that lightning channel. You paid ONE FEE TO THE MINERS instead of 50.It is CHEAPER than now.MINERS LOSE TX MONEY. This is why they hate lightning.
>>3187395Fuck off shill, I am not locking up my Bitcoins so Blockstream can get Jew Rich.
>>3187418You can close the fucking channel whenever the fuck you want.
>>3187348i'm so angry right now
>>3187395It seems maybe that people are getting confused about the word "subscription" in this context?Is there a link to a whitepaper or RFC that describes all of this in technical detail?
>>3187395blockstream gets a small cut for hosting the lighting network. they even said so.so first they limit the blocksize instead of adding pruning like eth does, then offer a solution to the problem they created for a small fee.fuck blockstream.eth is king with pos, sharding, privacy, community first decision making, intrinsic value as a fastest computer, 100m token cap, and more coming soon.btc is a pump and dump floating on fake tether.
>>3187395i responded. was going to crosslink your post because it does explain well.
>>3187435why can't i just buy a coffee? i don't want to open a channel, fund a channel, keep track of all channels and funds and fees. i just want to buy coffee.
>>3187478
>>3187478The current UI is indeed not for mainstream adoption. They need to fix that. It is still cheaper than on chain.
>>3186191he's not jewish, he's of 'Reformed Protestant' (a Calvinist branch) ancestry, actuallythe same denomination as Orbán :^)
So your saying I should put my BTC into ETH, right?
This thread is moronic, it's no wonder people vote against their own interest
>>3187509
>>3187097Essentially they (the on-chain fees) become (can be regarded as) subscription fees to use Bitcoin, rather than per-transaction fees.Is how you should read that sentence.if you had proper reading comprehension you would realize the on-chain fees aren't replaced by a subscription system. because a bunch of your transactions happen in a payment channel that's not on the blockchain, you don't pay transaction fees for them, but the second you want to place them on the blockchain, you pay a fee. So now you are not paying a fee per transaction, you pay a fee to put the end result of the payment channel on the blockchain (which is less than if you to pay for each transaction individually). basically paying to let your payment channel be part of bitcoin, a subscription fee.
>>3187698
>>3187478are you daft, the current system requires you to wait untill your transaction is verified. making people wait every time they want to quickly buy something is really gonna be popular
>>3186191>lighting networkhttp://wmx.wmtransfer.com/
>>3187729the problem is blockchain gets a cut. they created a problem to solve it for profit and censored people who spoke out against them. they also spread lies like eth being inflationary even though it has a 100m token cap.im not paying subscription fees to blockstream to use bitcoin, thats fucking gay.
>>3187804blockstream* gets a cut, fucking tired
>>3187418>explaining how something works>shillingkill yourself you absolute worthless piece of shit. you try to keep people dumb, I hope you die.
>>3187232This. Eth, iota, and monero are the winners.This buttcoin madness will never end either. This is the price we pay for miners.On that note, now I'm selling all my Eth and monero for iota.
>>3187729shush now with your reasoning and truth, we're trying to FUD the fuck out of BTC right now. Cause we're bitter, although about what I'm not really sure. Something to do with blockstream being big meanies.
>>3186386Unironic this
>>3187804lightning does have fees, this is true. Guess whatIt's STILL fucking cheaper than BCH
Here is jihan wu crying that noone will use the blockchain for transactions due to the cheapness of lightning.>ie MY FEES!!!!! WHERE DID MY PRECIOUS FEES GO!!!
>>3187842bch is bitcoins hiv infection. network outages every few days forever. this is your life now.if you want a functional blockchain you use eth.
>>3187860>Unfairly cheapFuck miners>>3187861Or ditch blockchain and run with IOTA
>>3187886>fuck minersMiners are the security and the worth behind the Coin?You retarded?
>>3187886miners are what keeps it secure so don't fuck em. sadly there is money involved as an incentive to mine so naturally it will attract greedy people and make people greedy.
>>3187910Shitcoin after shitcoin being launched on sky-high promises, PoS nonsense and buzzwords.Satoshi made mining part of the network because people's greed is what makes it work.Not agreements, contracts, promises, software rules, or rule of law.Just fucking greed, the one thing humanity can actually be relied on for.If a coin ain't mining, it's just a long con
>>3187901God help crypto if these miner fucks are the value behind bitcoin
I'm cozy with my Buttcoin Cash. Bitcoin has been converted into blockstream's money fountain
>>3187939obligatoryhttps://youtu.be/VVxYOQS6ggk
>>3187948read satoshi's white paper
>>3187860He's referring to the signature discount, signature bytes are counted as 1/4 bytes
SO how is Ethereum's Plasma different from Lightning Network?
>>3187860>unfairly cheapWhy do we even bother with these Cash trolls
>>3188092wrong question, you mean eth's raiden network
Corecucks always sound like battered housewives.....
>>3187948Derp, miners make Bitcoin Bitcoin.
>>3187241Money skel has the best bones
>>3187236Yeah, YOUR wallet. YOU'RE THE BANK, DIPSHIT.
https://medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/mathematical-proof-that-the-lightning-network-cannot-be-a-decentralized-bitcoin-scaling-solution-1b8147650800I'll just leave this here
>>3187220you don't pay to close the channel, it's not like a bank account, you always pay fees everywhere, you don't need a provider and if a provider fucks you over, pick another one. furthermore, you are not forced to use LN, it's just a technology that uses bitcoin. bitcoin will still work like before and is untouched by LN
>>3186191>pay your fees to bankers instead of miners.Basically (((they're))) turning bitcoin into (((the Dollar))).Theymos and his jewish media center control the discussion, censor any dissent and hire kikes to adhom anybody who disagrees as a chink or a pajeet. They will now control the fees like the Fed regulates the interest rate, with the difference being that they'll take the segwit fees FOR EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION. This subscription fee is only the beginning.>>3186234You don;'t pay transaction fees YET.Soon you'll need to give your full social, DOB and address to blockchain just like any other (((bank))). And it'll be a matter of time before they lose people's socials, because they dont have a bank's infrastructure.GOTTA GO TO CASH BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE
>>3188620but it is my major concern about this LN. it leads to centralization. and also to cencorship. because the provider is able to just close the channel whenever he likes. also there will be "huge" channels to provide liquidity which is some kind of banking. duno about this.. i would like to scale onchain and go with bcc.. but i know that that wont happen
>>3188537Not for long, dipshit.Ths is only the beginning.
>>3187395>I will consume ~$14,000 worth of coffee in my lifetime >Pay for it ahead of time This is how retarded that is
>>3188666How DARE you criticize the Blockstream™ Bitcoin™ Lightning™ Technology! You are a TRAITOR to the bitcoin name! After all, we all take oaths of allegiance when we trade bitcoin. You're lucky you aren't posting on /r/bitcoin. I'd delete your post so fast it would make your head spin.AWAY WITH YOU, HEATHEN. Digital Gold™ IS THE FUTURE. Spending bitcoin is a thing of the past! 1 byte blocks when?!
>>3188652/pol/ everybody.a bunch of bullshit that is laughably stupid to anyone knowing even 2% of what they're talking about.you pay fees to miners to verify your transaction. with LN you pay fees for middlemen to transit your transactions for a total price less than individual mining fees (because otherwise just use the blockchain directly, which you still can) thus saving you money and taking load away from the blockchain.>you don't pay transaction fees yetyou do pay transaction fees and you will keep on paying transaction fees because that's not going to change.>soon you will have to give your full social...hurr durr durrrr durr
>>3186626>jew projectingNone of you blockstream faggots have a substantive arguement. You literally sound like this >>3188708
>>3188696>channels' duration is life>you don't drink more than one coffee>you can't close a channel and get your remaining funds backI'm not 100% convinced on LN for my own reasons but goddamn the stupidity in this thread.shitposts and uninformed shitposts.
>>3188696You forgot these> You have to open a channel for every party you wish to transact with> If you don't, then you can open a channel with the Jews> Now the Jews are back in control of your shekels.... again> 1 MB blocks means it'll take 500 years for everyone (lets just put it 100 years as a conservative guesstimate for the number of technology literate people) to hop into.
>>3186231agreed.
>>3188717>/pol/ everybody.kike adhom>a bunch of bullshit that is laughably stupid to anyone knowing even 2% of what they're talking about.elitist kike adhom>you pay fees to miners to verify your transaction. with LN you pay fees for middlemen to transit your transactions for a total price less than individual mining fees (because otherwise just use the blockchain directly, which you still can) You're leaving something out here, hmmmmm, I wonder what you're leaving out...>thus saving you money and taking load away from the blockchain.>used car salesmanship>you do pay transaction feeson top of the subscriptin fee, nice thanks for clearing that up>>soon you will have to give your full social...>hurr durr durrrr durr>knows this is on the way>>3188747they will move to control this more and more with time. If you think that's uninformed you have a poor understanding of history.They hid these details so the miners would go along. It was a lie by omission and there will be more to come.Bitcoin is becoming its own antithesis.
>>3188782complaining about having to open a channel is like complaining about having to get a wallet.the only legitimate complaint is the clustering around middlemen but even then it's an incentive based trustless system saving you money.if it didn't save you money there would be 0 reason to use it.you're actually complaining about jews (although I have not seen jews involved with this) saving you money
>>3187842it is maybe cheaper but for the cost of centralized payment channels which act like banks because they need huge amounts of btc to maintain liquidty. and i I believe there will be not a lof of payment hubs. because nobody would like to change payment channels with the super slow and super expensive onchain transaction with their funds.
>mfw bitcoin and bitcoin cash tards brawling it out>mfw no matter which one wins, eth goes up anywaysDAMN it feels good to be a ETH fanboy
>>3188823those are not ad homs you complete retard. if anything it's association fallacy, poisoning the well.just as you are doing btw.the word you are looking for is fallacy not adhom.>I wonder what you're leaving out thereI wonder too. I don't claim to be THE expert or anything so if you do know something just lay it out.>on top of the transaction feesno, not on top of the transaction fees. there is no extra fee. there is one fee just like there is now. instead of paying transaction fees on 50 individual transactions you pay for the transaction fee of the result which is one transaction. this saves you money because 50 * transaction fee > 1 * transaction fee.if the fee of using the LN way becomes greater than those 50 individual transaction fees you don't use the LN way.>they will move to control this more and morethat's so vague and it can apply to anything. except it's still trustless and it doesn't replace bitcoin whatsoever
>>3188902ad hominems are "directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining."i.e. >/pol/ everyone>laughably stupid to anyone who bla bla bla>those are not ad homs you complete retard.this belongs in the kike hallf of fame>>3188902>>on top of the transaction fees>no, not on top of the transaction fees.You should read what I said the first time, it was straight forward and simple. The subscription replaces the per-trade transaction fees, FOR NOW. This is a centralized control system. Everyone who isn't hodling for the very-long haul will have to pay these fees. As btc grows the alternative will be waiting for days or even a week, and from there the disparity will only get worse. Screencap this in case blockstreamcoin doesn't fall apart: there will be no reasonable alternative to LN. The LN and other fees will rise and multiply and they'll all go to (((big brother))).
>>3187395What about one-time only transactions?
>>3189042there will be more and more people trying to do them and the will transact in slowmotionLN will become the only way to do it, expect the fees to moon at that point.
>>3188989I didn't attack your character directly with those statements, I linked you to /pol/ which has a reputation of being retarded, then I doubled down on that retardation by saying /pol/ people say retarded shit. which is guilt by association, association fallacy.>you should read what I said the first time.no, I should read everything. what you said was false, there is no fee on top of anything.>FOR NOWno for as long as they are less than transaction fees, at which point you just use the blockchain directly.the rest of what you said is a legitimate concern. too bad you added so many retarded shit and /pol/ crappy rhetoric(yeah yeah you're not /pol/. you know that quote, by goebbels I think, about jews not wanting you to call them a jew...)I don't see btc in combination with LN work for everyday payments because of clustering around middlemen and the alternative being long transaction times.
>>3188989just to make it clear:calling you a retard is an adhomsaying people who don't brush their teeth are retarded, followed by saying you don't brush your teeth is association.
>>3186231They also hold a patent on segwit and can sue any altcoin using segwit including litecoin. Corestream is like google to the internet. They are evil and must be destroyed before they destroy the cause.
>>3189151you are a retard though.
>>3189117>then I doubled down on that retardationYou can say that again.>(yeah yeah you're not /pol/. you know that quote, by goebbels I think, about jews not wanting you to call them a jewI didn't say I was or wasn't /pol/ and frankly I could care less. You're putting words in my mouth like the kike lawyer you are.You called me /pol/ the same way jews call their critics antisemites.>he just named the jew he's racist so he can't be right
>>3189155Code cannot be patented in the EU anyway.
>>3189155>Corestream is like google to the internet. They are evil and must be destroyed before they destroy the cause.Final solution check'd
>>3189195>the pot calls the kettle blackI didn't say I was or wasn't jewish and frankly I could care less. You're putting words in my mouth like the /pol/ lawyer you are.You called me kike the same way /pol/ people call their critics jews.>he just named the /pol/ he's a kike so he can't be rightI'm now waiting for you to tell me how pointing out your hypocrisy is another kike tactic
>>3189225>I didn't say I was or wasn't jewishBe warned Anons.This is the (((new))) bitcoin.
Source: Comment on /r/BTCBusiness as usual, selective reading, discords propagating, downvoting critical thinking because it goes against selective reading...Now, read everything. Everyone is sour because they missed the bitcoin boat. Now they want a new coin. How do you do that? Convince everyone the new coin is better and talk negatively about bitcoin, claim it will fail. Time after time. Guess what! The only negative aspect of bitcoin is moving over to "bitcoin cash" ..and that's the chink miners polluting the markets with extreme instability. Nobody is going to trade bitcoin cash for anything other than crypto or transmit it as a store of value.. It's a market instrument, and it will be used for profit. Take it for what it is. Every so often it will crash BADLY because there's nothing to hold the market up.. Sound familiar? Pump and dump. Yes. It's literally the exact same thing as DGB.
>>3189259now you're just making fun of yourself
I just wish someone would make an open source Lightning Network that can be adopted by merchants so these miners will stop bitching. They'll likely keep notching though because they want us to pay exorbitant fees because they're just as greedy as Blockstream, let's be honest. Whichever side wins, the users lose
>>3189284But there's nothing critical here, you're just chanting your mantra and pulling stuff out of your ass.
>>3189324Bitching*
>>3189324>let's be honest
So let me get this straight.>Transactions can be done as usual, WITHOUT a separate node channel on the lightning network>Lightning network groups transactions and takes a processing fee for doing so>Grouping the transactions reduces load on the chain, directly reducing fees for EVERYONE, including those who avoid LN>Both on chain transactions and LN are entirely optional...And just in case, because I cannot find any actual proof otherwise:>Subscription refers to the charge to use a lightning node, not an ongoing, recurring charge in itselfWhich is technically incorrect usage of the word subscription.Am I wrong anywhere?
>>3186455>>3186191the level of retardation of bch shills is astounding. You're so fucking STUPID I dont even know where to start. What you basically want is having the tx capacity of visa, which would require 16gb blocks, which would require total centralization (ie: bitcoin controlled by china, a dictatorship). Learn to think losers.
>>3189427the word subscription came from a reddit comment by the inventor of LN to describe the role of fees when using LN
>>3189451But they're not recurring, and only charge when transacting. Yes? Just like on chain transactions, but on a local node?
>>3189476yes, they are not recurring. when the payment channel gets put on the blockchain you pay one transaction fee.the transactions within the payment channel have no fee.unless you are using a 3rd person and they charge a fee. but that can't be higher than the blockchain fee or you'd use the blockchain. the danger is having to rely on 3rd persons because the blockchain is too slow for quick payments. maybe the free market will tame LN fees, maybe you don't even need 3rd parties at all. I'm not too sure about that but it's certainly something to watch out for.
Who do I talk to to get paid to shill for either BCC or BTC I am good at promoting coin and want to make money too
>>3189443Only shills get this emotional.What I want is a decentralized bitcoin without jews pulling strings in a smoke filled room.The blocksize is outdated and the only way to change it is a hardfork, which eventually will have to come anyway. When no one knew what bitcoin was, there were a few thousand transactions a day and it only cost a nickel, 1 MB was a high ceiling, so high above the action it literally did only what it was intended for. Now it's choking traffic and the jews are using this as leverage to tax and regulate. Today was the beginning of a steep, slippery slope.
>>>/X/
>>3189579>The blocksize is outdatedAs more and more people adopt bitcoin, it's a never ending game until you have the capacity of visa, ie: 16gb blocks. All the miners in china would kill bitcoin because the chink dictature could shut it down whenever they want. Core devs dont care about your short term profits and if the fees are too high for the moment. They think lonk term, dozens of year from now. You bch fags are too impatient, that's the problem. Nick Szabo = Satoshi and supports segwit.
>>3189579only shills this, only jews thatyou're a parrot repeating the 5 sentences you learned on /pol/kike, degenerate, shill, nigger, jew, leftists, liberals. so boring, so overused. but I guess you're completely lost if you can't label everything you encounter in life with one of those words.long live the day you when you fucks disappear together with tumblr feminists and sjw
Um yea... I'm really sick of (((blockstreams))) bullshit. And I'm also sick of the miners high fees. I'm moving to Monero
>>3189579The coin itself is still decentralized.The side chains are optional.And they reduce network strain, reducing transaction fees for everyone. Even if you don't use them at all.You get lower fees, a more efficient network, and only at the cost of those who don't care about their trades being centralized.WHERE IS THE DOWNSIDE?What are you being forced into that you do not like?Hell, lightning network will probably only be used by vendors. Marketplaces that accept bitcoin.Places you would already have to trust to hold up their end of the deal. Like getting you purchased goods, allowing access to trade on exchanges, etc.>>3189655You do realise this would LOWER fees, right?I'm very confused at the responses I'm seeing all over the place. These assumptions make no sense.
>>3189614>As more and more people adopt bitcoin, it's a never ending gameIt wasn't a never ending game when the coin started and Satoshi set a limit that was effective from for over 5 years of increbible growth. You could argue it's still effective today 9 years later, in that it hasn't hurt growth. But it will now.>>3189644>how jews behave when the goyim know
>>3189690>everybody I don't like is a jew
>>3189699Dont bother. polfags have a mental illness with no cure
>>3189677>The coin itself is still decentralized.In a short time, one group of jews will take their cut out of every transaction, and their cut will grow with every split. Here's why it'l be the only way:>The side chains are optional.yes they're optional for now but later as the market grows, it will be EXTREMELY IMPRACTICAL AND SLOW to send BTC without LN and there will be a direct correllation between this difficulty and the fee level. But if it takes so long to send, you won;t know what the price will be by the time it gets there. At this point every BTC transaction will be through LN, if BTC still exists.>And they reduce network strain, reducing transaction fees for everyone. Even if you don't use them at all.In the longer term everyone will have to use them and the bitcoin market grows at the speed of light so this wouldn't even be that far from now.>>3189710>Schlomo defends his brother against the gentile subhumans
>>3189677Not if you don't to pay $200 in fees for every transaction. Segwit2x was a reasonable compromise but blockstream decided to hold everyone hostage instead.
>>3189744when someone is so retarded they think the greedy fucks are jews and not chinks and eastern europeans, lmao
>>3189764>notthejews, the post>>3189756I think they'll stop doing splits at some point when everyone realizes how bad they're getting fucked and they can't reach a consensus because the jews always want everything.The congestion will get so bad from here, sidechains will be the only way.
Satoshi's view was to increase block size, he put 1MB because the network was small and could be easily flooded.Now the situation is different. Segwit is very far from what Satoshi was considering in the first place.https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@modprobe/i-looked-into-segwit-and-here-s-what-i-saw> segwit is inelegant and complicatedThat's the main argument. Every dev knows that anything inelegant and complicated is condemned to disappear.I transfered my BTC to BCH and I'll stick with it. I hope Polo opens markets for BCH, otherwise I'll use ETH.Any idea that needs censorship to be adopted is intrinsically bad.Now the violent shills of Blockstream will call me retard.
>>3189785LN was made by a chink and a eastern european
>>3189816>Satoshi's view was to increase block size, he put 1MB because the network was small and could be easily flooded.>Now the situation is different. Segwit is very far from what Satoshi was considering EXACTLY THIS.1 MB limit was a security meassure to stop flooding andd DDOS. I didn't impede traffic at all.Now it does.>>3189823Elizabeth Stark is an Askenazi jew with a background in prime cabal academia.
>>3189892no,Tadge Dryja and Joseph Poon
Apparently blockstream does have patents, but they're defensive patents released under a special license so that anyone may use them, and blockstream is obligated to not take legal action against them.The EFF (electronic frontier foundation, they're very much against software patents) has endorsed this.https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/07/blockstream-commits-patent-nonaggression
They patented a shitty technology.The blockchain didn't need a patent.
>>3189952basically copyleft and not copyright
>>3189922Stark is literally the CEO and COFOUNDER.The devs are just hired hands there. They're shabbas goyim, they don't have real control and you know it.
>>3186191are you trying to tell me Jihan was a good guy all this time?
>>3189892I'm actually wondering where you got the info Elisabeth Stark is jewish because I'm not finding anything.bonus: anything on her having a background in 'prime cabal academia' would be welcome too.
>>3189976Of course you are, sandnigger.
>>3189972Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons but the reasons btc was designed to operate under: self-interest.
Here's the thing.. You don't have to use it regardless of what other FUD you posted.BTC works just fine for normies anyway. The other layers now facilitated by SegWit are incredibly useful for use cases that Joe Public has no clue about and will reduce block sizes for everyone.
>>3189962they wrote the white paper, came up with it, made it.
>>3189987so nothing
>>3189995White people came up with and made western civilization too, and look what happened to that because of (((certain ppls))).
>>3189756Blockstream wasn't the one that broke the NYA by forking, and in fact they still haven't broken the NYA despite all their shitposts even though they're promising to>>3186670No one outside of cucked shitholes like the US will give a single fuck about Blockstream patents >>3186755BTC isn't 70% premined like ETH, and it is immutable unlike ETHIf you want Monero just use Monero>>3187232IOTA it's completely centralized dumb pajeet>>3187454LN doesn't need to be hosted by Blockstream at all >>3188596>proof without proving>within a few paragraphs call your "proof " an informal proofwew>>3189655Monero needs much higher fees than almost any other altcoin to work
>>3189994Why not just raise the blocksize limit? Sidechains was never satashois design and they will have central control, which goes against everything.>>3189995But where will the money go, who will benefit as the network changes with the times, etc? You'll never admit this >>3190048 will you jew? But jews like Stark and associates are always bankrolling gentiles like Dryja and Poon. Dryja and Poon will get jewed in the end or sooner if they haven't already, Guaranteed.>>3190001>being this jewish
>>3190121>Sidechains was never satashois design and they will have central control, which goes against everything.satoshi = szabo, proven by linguistic forensics. szabo supports sidechains.
>>3190121They literally could have raised the blocksize years ago. They have been doing this bullshit so they could splice in their overcomplicated, inelegant 'fix' and take a cut of the profits.
>>3190204Before becoming money, bitcoin must be a secure store of value. Security above all. Then, once it's proven to be the most secure store of value, it may become a currency with low tx fees. What you want is bitcoin to become money ASAP, which is the short-sighted and wrong approach.
>asking for proof>being this jewishsomething I don't understand? jews! someone I don't like? jews! someone doubting me? jews!you're a clown.I bet you really think I'm jewish just because I keep calling out your bullshit.I said LN was made by a chink and a eastern european guy. you have said throughout this entire thread that it's a jewish thing. now you go 'oooh but the people who designed it, published it, created it, and own it are just victims too'you're a clown.I'm willing to accept she's jewish but I can't find any proof on that. it's not like stark is a jewish name. I'll ignore the background in prime cabal academia as too be not too pedantic. but you getting this butthurt because someone asked if you could back up your claim makes me doubt the whole thing desu.
>>3190197satoshi is nobody but the person who has his private keys for as far as anyone knows.
Subscription feesb and KYC to use Bitcoin. Fuck you blockstream kikes.
>>3190330looks like some money launderer is butthurt
>>3190352I'd rather be butt hurt than being beyond cucked like yourself.
>>3190370KYC/AML is not a blockstream invention. Governments know there is a lot of dirty money in bitcoin and they will do everything to prevent people to launder it. Hence the kyc/aml laws. You can't buy/sell bitcoin without providing your ID and I don't have a problem with that. Your libertarian ideals are just like communism, an ideal that doesn't work in reality. Live with it.
>>3190261And before it can be a store of value, the jews must control it.3190268 I'm not giving (((you))) any more (you)'s so if you're paid by replies, I won't be worth it.Stark is absolutely a jewish name but ofc you'll deny this and say her jewish history isn't jewish and so on. Why don't you fuck off? There are lots of jew-friendly btc forums, where you can go and be yourself. Why do jews have to moderate opinion in every public space? Seriously, fuck off.>>3190352you too.
>>3190448what the fuck is this fucking bullshit get off my board fucking pol pleb reeeeeeee
>>3190448succ dick >>>/pol/
>>3190464>The Theymos Police
>>3190448>jewsjewsjews
>>3190448Stark is not a jewish name retard.http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=stark>her jewish historywhat jewish history? there is nothing to be found about her being jewish you fucking clown. that's what I'm asking you about.fuck off yourself, using boogeymen, calling people jews because they question you while refusing to back up what you say. kill yourself together with every other faggot in this world who thinks their ideas and statements can't be questioned.
3190504not playing your game, jew.
>>3190513what game? the 'please back up what you say' claim?what an easy way out. 'hmmmm I just told complete garbage but I can get away with it because I'll just say anyone who questions it is jewish.'>p-pls no bully me ebil joo ;_;lmao
>>3190513JEWSJEWSJEWSJEWSWE WUZ JEWS
>>3190471>>3190448>>3190513I wonder who could be behind those bitcoin is controlled by jews posts.
Proof (((them))) took over BTC?
>>3190611(((they))) probably took over your mother first.
when will this /pol/ scum finally realize they have their own containment board.
>>3190590I wonder ((who))) could be behind this one. You can never leave good enough alone, is why you'll be Inquisitioned again.>>3190566You still are. >>3190611https://www.blockstream.com/team/If you pay attention to the discourse it's undeniable.
we don't need middlemen
>>3190662lol is that page your proof blockchain is taken over by jews? there was one obvious jew and 2 maybe not so obvious jews in there. Shiiiet that group was so white they better not let fucking tumblr find out.you really are a clown.still ignoring Stark and her being jewish btw
Can someone plz explain once and for all why the LN is better than just using BTC debit cards?
3190728In the current configuration on my screen, there are 3 or more Jews in every row but one.Well-known fact: Adam Back is not (((Adam Back's))) real name. The CEO's of Blockchain and Lightning are both Jewish.
>>3190777https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zVzw912wPo
>>3190777pro: it takes away load from the blockchain while lowering the amount of fees you pay. it's also allows for fucking fast payments which is great if you wanna grab a coffee.possible con: the blockchain remains slow and you'll have to rely on LN which can but doesn't need to, require a third party demanding fees. this may cause it to become decentralized instead of distributed. worst case scenario the LN fees moon and the big LN nodes become basically banks.
>>3190409Quite the contrary.Libertarians demand the same transparency of their government. So what's the problem seeing the books of the federal reserve? Oh right, because those kikes are the biggest launderers of them all!You see how freedom should work?
>>3190777Because the jews get their cut of.every.single.transaction. and their cut grows every split.After a few, IF miners reach agree to keep doing splits, you will have to choose betwee enormous pre-transaction fees, or a subscription fee which they can raise at will.If the miners see they're getting fucked and don't reach consensus but btc still keeps growing, traffic will get choked to nothing on the main channell and Lightning will be the only choice, if you don't want to endure dramatic price changes while you wait for confirmation for days.The actual result will be The Flippening don't miss it. Question of when not if.
>>3190864shut it down! (((they ))) know!
>>3190790weird, I see ben teitelbaum as the obvious one and mark friedenbach, lawrence nahumas the less obvious ones.I also see ben gorlick now which I missed going through the list the first time.the ceo of lightning is not jewish. at this point it's completely legitimate to dismiss that claim as you have repeatedly ignored and evaded demands for proof.
>>3189976Stark is a Scottish, German or a Ashkenazi Jewish surname. The education comment refers to a condescending remark about the Ivy League education she received
/pol wants BTC, then finds out they are getting Jewed. Priceless
>>3190939More than doubled my money on BTC, and knew when to get out.
when will the "iota is centralized" meme end?
>>3190985Never, they're jews too.
>>3190912what comment and being Scottish, German or Ashkenazi is still more likely non jewish. the second I'm presented with an actual legit source saying she or her parents are jewish I will probably say thank you and say 'why didn't you just post that immediately' in order to have the last word.
>>3191007
https://wmx.wmtransfer.com/#
>>3186191looking forward to another fork, this one'll be for dessert
>>3188663holy shit you are so fucking retarded
>>3188708these fucking kikes would delete this whole board if they could
>>3190790Yet not one retarded Cashcuck can give us proof of Jewish infiltration. There looks like there is maybe one Jew on the blockstream teamand I'm no fan of the jews either I'm aware of the Jewish problem...but you guys are just seeing shadows at this point. I dont see any evidence of Jews in Blockstream or Core.
>>31892844chan is getting astroturfed by Roger Ver reddit shills too. Too bad no one here gives a fuck about any reddit or any altcoin beyond dumping it for BTC.
>>3188663Big blocks lead to actual centralization you low IQ autist.
Reminder that all BCH shills are literal pajeets
>>3191062good point Cleetus
>>3191171How's your jewdar, anon? How many can you count here: >>3190662 ?>>3191196>implying Theymos doesn't control reddit with an iron fistIs that you, Theymos?
>>3191258There are 2 Jews on the team, Lawrence Nahum and Sonya Joseph. The team isn't compromised, though having her as a technical recruiter is a little worrying because she will always prefer to bring in Jews.
>>3191411She hired a black. I bet you must be scared shitless that he will steal your transaction.
>>3191463Well, she would hire a black. Diversity quotas and all
>>3187395Thanks for the explanation. I don't think many people will want to do this because you're essentially prepaying. Right now, I can buy $10,000 worth of stuff on my credit card and not pay for it until October without incurring any interest or fees of any sort. Everybody is used to doing this now. What's the benefit to paying for stuff in advance if you don't have to?
Blockstream are Jews and BCH is Chinese Jews. Both are garbage. Don't act like this is anything other than two soulless money grubbing groups trying to take over using different methods. And fuck the Iota shills too. This is all a clusterfuck of manipulative national and corporate interests. Both sides can rot in hell for trying to destroy a good thing and pretend they are the heroes while doing it.
>>3191411Are kidding me, you're aware of the JQ? YOU DIDN"t EVEN GET THE BERGSWalsh, Lee, Teitelbaum, Appelcline, Bergeron, Timon, Norberg, Gorlic, Robles, Hall, that's just the definites and probables, doesn't count maybes or crypts like CEO "Back".Heres something interestinghttps://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/47zfzt/blockstream_is_now_controlled_by_the_bilderberg/
>>3191670>https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/47zfzt/blockstream_is_now_controlled_by_the_bilderberg/Bitcoin serves the bilderberg interest which is to make nations lose their power. Not surprised if they are big fans and supporters of bitcoin.
>>3191712>take your meds goyim BTC isn't run by jews>Bitcoin serves the Bilderberg interestLOL, so the Bilderbergs arent jews either.TAKE YOUR MEDS ISHMAEL!!!
>>3191670walsh, lee, appelcline, bergeron, timon, norberg, hallhow are these jewish names? these are pretty common names from various European countries Cleetus.funny you show us that reddit post because all I read is a french insurance company with a french ceo who is also the chairman of the bilderberg meetings investing in blockstream. the guestlist of the bilderberg meetings shows a lot of no jewish rich fucks. but I guess they're also just victims right? like the two dudes who made LN
3191783>jewsalwaysdothis.jpgright on jew, the bilderbergs are gentile conferences, the jews don;t have a long and detaied history in France and finance doesn't imply influence. I agree, buy some more Jewcoin.
>>3191841>bilderbergs are gentile conferencesno no no you kike, you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say or imply there are 0 jews present. I was trying to point out how ridiculous it is that if you look at the guest list you see primarily white people and you still excuse them and put all the blame on the jews there.you suffer from serious no true Scotsman thinking.this is you how you find baddies:1. is the person white?yes: select new baddie from surroundings and return to step 1.no: found him! how about you say fuck all the rich scheming jews and fuck all the rich scheming white people.
>>3191841you dont quote him because you don't want to give him a (you) ? >when you're an autistic nolife poltard whose only reward in life is to get quoted on 4chan.
>>3191544you can take your money back whenever I suppose it is like a gift card you can return at any point even if you used it, except it's instant does it have advantages for the average buyer for micropayments? meh, not really. bitcoin cash doesn't either. It's a philosophical thing, and a hedge against a recession.at this point you're questioning the basis of bitcoin itself, not the lightning network. The main reason for bitcoin to exist is against another recession, like the one it was created in. It's true, it won't have a significant advantage for the average person without a recession.However, there is still a use case for it, which is moving money anywhere you want around the world without permission. You can send a million $ to someone across the planet basically instantly, for a low fee. The bitcoin fee on chain is dumb right now, but it's STILL cheaper than current wire transfers. And you don't need to ask a bank or sign a million papers for permission.If you've noticed that XRP kind of kills this particular use case, well, now you know why everyone hates XRP.
>>3191841Speaking of French jews, could this huge nosed Michael Marquardt be Theymos?https://twitter.com/asiaadvisor?lang=en
>>3191938>literally bragging how big his nose is with that picture
>>3191938>implying an executive would have time to be a mod on reddit
>>3191985>implying Theymos is simply a moderator>implying a crypto giant wouldn't involved himself in finance and trade
>>3192020for being so deeply invested into crypto his twitter shows surprisingly little crypto related tweets. actually it shows 0 crypto tweets.or is he just hiding being a crypto giant and you're the incredible investigator who unmasked him?
3192055sandnigger since you don't seem to know this, Marquardt didn't want people to know he was Themos/involved in cypto. Some guy doxxed him, then Ver did. He wouldn't teet about something he doesn't want to publicise. Whether or not this guy is him, probably not but who nose?
>>3192082>probably notok Cleetus. bit silly to bring it up yourself then isn't it.
3192116Well now it's definitely him.
>>3192165lol funny Cleetus
>>3186191>fees>holy shitAnon, if you have still to understand that crypto fees are already bleeding this market, you might want to double check your brain activity, because I'm spotting latent idiocy on your part.>muh networkJust fuck off weeb.
>>3188717I don't want a middleman.Why would I want a middleman in fucking TRUSTLESS system ? Fuck Core and their segwitcoin.
>>3193629>don't want a middlemanYet you're ok with miners who are the current middleman
>>3191670All of those are European surnames. Walsh, Lee...LOL all of those are classic Euro surnames. Did you bother to check their Linkedin? Did you? Because if you did you'll find that they have no connections to any Jewish/Israeli organizations. There are only two Jews on that team and the man doesn't even have any Jewish connections on his Linkedin, but I am 90% sure he is Jewish because no Italian would have a last name of "Nahum". Norberg is German. Bergeron is German. (Berg means hill in german)BUTThat Bilderberg funding is actually pretty damning evidence, though. Any connection to the Bilderbergs is bad news. As they say, follow the money. Whelp. It's our worst fears. BTC has been corrupted, or will be corrupted, then. But who are we kidding? We all knew that it would come down to something like this. Until we take care of ((them)) they'll continue to fuck with us and shit in the punchbowl.
Guys, chill out. That is not how it works.You will need to pay Bitcoin transaction fees to open and close a channel.Lightning transactions are generally free, though some nodes may require some kind of fee to go through them.More likely you would earn money monthly for providing channel liquidity.
Second layer monetary systems are ALWAYS created for fractional reserve purposes. Eventually you will be buying coins from LN nodes or blockstream that are BACKED BY BITCOIN. In fact, that is exactly the stated purpose of the LN. Segwit was the first step to do this since witness data can now be discarded by the nodes and therefore there is NO proof that second-layer systems are actually backed by requisite amount of bitcoin. Don't believe me?https://www.coindesk.com/the-risks-of-bitcoins-segregated-witness-problems-under-us-contract-law/Core turned bitcoin from something that followed existing contract and currency laws (so that it eventually could be used as a base currency), into something that no legal entity would trust. Now we will have to rely on second-layer contracts and payments to meet existing regulatory guidelines instead of having all of those merits inherent to the currency itself (as satoshi created it).
>>3194651>More likely you would earn money monthly for providing channel liquidity.This. WE are the bitcoin elite. WE will collect a comfy normie tax by providing liquidity in the future.
>>3194783Good luck with that m8You will need gorillions of usd to set up a ln node
>>3194715Also, fees won't go down and transaction times might only slightly drop . Who is going to spend $10 to send $100? Who will wait 6 hours for their transaction to process?What exactly is the point of bitcoin if average people can't use it? Most people have less than $1000 in their bank account. The "Digital gold" group is less than 5% of bitcoin users. It makes no fucking sense.
>>3195337A bitcoin trash transfer took less time at lower feeJust saying m8s
>>3194715>>3195280>>3195337100% wrong. I don't know how you shills can sleep at night, selling your dignity for 1 dogecoin per post, just spreading lies and FUD to make gazillionaires Jijan and Roger even richer. You are disgusting.
always remember who provides actual proof and who just ad hominens when you read these posts kids:ad hominens and no evidence:>>3195640impassioned facts backed up by sources: >>3194715
>>3189443KYS
>>3186755this
>>3186962this
>>3195656>ad hominens and no evidence:sorry if I don't waste my time arguing with flat earthers. Bullshit is not worth debunking. All the lurkers are free to follow you retards and lose their money for all I care.You're a useful tool and I am glad your retardation will keep you poor forever. Natural selection at its finest.
>>3196428at the very least you can say that BCC believers have a point and you disagree with them on this point. Calling them "flat-earthers" or "pajeets" or whatever your blockstream word of the day is today, just goes to show how anti-intellectual your viewpoints are
>>3196460>hurr durr my shit opinion matters everything is relative please debate me hurr durr. BLOCK LIVES MATTER HURR DURRFuck off Pajeet. You've been BTFO already countless times in this thread. You just won't learn no matter how many times people shove it down your throat.
>>3196574>Fuck off Pajeetpoint proven, you idiots are so easy to spot
>>3196574I don't think retards like you will ever learn. Bitcoin has a USE. People use bitcoin; they don't shove it in their wallets and leave it be. No matter how many times it's repeated, Bitcoin isn't digital gold.How are all these potheads going to buy their Darknet drugs if you're charged $15 for a $120 tranasaction? Get fucking real. The world isn't going to adopt such a ridiculous form of exchange.