/biz/ - Business & Finance

Why are you asking here?
Most of us are either wagies or NEETs trying to make it.

>>30193282
Yes anon, their lives are completely different. You can sort of see how it is when yoh wake up in the morning check your portfolio and see your coins mooned 500%. The rest of the day you are full of life and happy. Now imagine being born and raised in an environment where this happens all the time, you are validated by your peers get to do anything you want and have sex with anyone. Nothing is out of reach. No wonder they are disconnected and see us as cattle. You can even observe this on yourself as your portfolio grows how your sense of superiority increases

>>30193282
>such as clarity of mind, peace, and freedom?
no you are basically a neet who fucks escorts and buys more expensive toys
that's about it

>>30193282

Totally. I’m sort of half wagie/half made it as I don’t have to worry about rent or bills (parents made it) but they don’t supplement me otherwise so I work min wage part time shovelling papers at my Dad’s firm (another example of it handed to me on a plate) to fund this.

What does it mean in real terms?

1. I think this is most important: most people live in small spaces where there are constant distractions so there’s little time to quietly think, self-reflect , meditate or read/study in peace.

2. If I say to my peers I’m not partying etc that night because I’m reading, watching a play or whatever, it’s not an issue. Very little social pressure to do things that waste money or energy. This guilt-free spare time means you have more energy to do socialise on your own terms.

3. More pressure to meet certain family standards which are manageable - although I’m under pressure to provide grandchildren now, which I would like to do but sort of not, I dunno.

4. This is the worst part: you don’t have much luck with hotties from lower social groups because you intimidate them. Just by the way you dress, talk, project yourself etc - there’s a disconnect which makes them uneasy because they know you don’t have to buy into their drama. That’s why they end up with Deano & I end up dating girls into horse riding who are not as hot.

5. I don’t have a lot to throw around on crypto or stocks, but I’m happier to take a high risk move because ultimately I don’t have to worry about a roof over my head, bills or food on the table. If I had zero money for 1 year I would still have my bedroom, study, food on the table etc all year. I live at my Mum’s house and it’s a big house so everyone has a bedroom and lounge/study of their own.

6. The bit that’ll convince you why it’s overall not a good thing: I’m 44 and living here with zero responsibility (apart from my cat). I have worked all over the country, but every time (cont)

(cont) I have fucked up my finances because I have no idea how to live with this safety net. It’s amazing I have been declared bankrupt to be honest. This has caused me to be medicated for mental illness, but of course, no one outside the family knows. The same happened to my brother who had a schizo episode and was discreetly sectioned a couple of years ago. He was ‘poorly’ - that was the word.

I think a lot of this is down to our parents who, while loving while we were growing up, were emotionally distant. Most of my peers are in similar spots.

So the upshot is that it’s okay, but not okay. There are certain trade offs that have to be made which don’t always lead to healthy outcomes.

Chiming in to honestly help. FYI - I am not rich myself (upper middle class ish family) but I am/was surrounded by rich people.

Majority of "rich" people live a life that is not that different to an average joe. They are not conscious/enlightened people, but rather materialistic and simplistic. Yes, they may have a bigger house, that Porsche, a big family with every idiot looking up to them, but the truth is a big house just leads to more cleaning/maintenance/stress, a car is just a car at the end of the day, the big family is not bonded by soul because everyone lives too selfish to love and care for one another (hires nanny with the parents doing nothing to build bond with their children etc). With regards to people looking up to you, that is one of the few things that is nice day to day but if you are so sheep to evaluate people off their financial value only and so insecure that you worry about other people's opinion of you rather than having self belief/ethics/morals/philosophy, you honestly will never break out of the mental cage you have been put under by the society. Majority of the "rich" people I know love to act like they are kings and are superior beings during the short time they are seen in public but at the end of the day, when they are at home, they also live the NEET life.

Life is about finding passion, giving your good effort into it and being rewarded from your efforts spiritually, emotionally, physically, financially etc. Being rich gives you a bypass to that sequence as most people seek convenience and comfort with the money they possess. Most end up with the attitude of, why bother studying this if this education won't reward me financially? Why would I bother working under another person when I do not have to? As a result, they usually end up dead inside without true happiness as they isolate themselves further and further.

>>30194592
>> have been

I meant haven’t been

>>30193282
Wealthy people I can't say. Rich people are neurotic.

>>30194599
>Life is about finding passion, giving your good effort into it and being rewarded from your efforts spiritually, emotionally, physically, financially etc.
Makes sense. If you use your money properly though, you can give yourself more free time to pursue the things that really matter rather than blowing your time at a shitty job. Seems like most rich people don't take full advantage of their positions. Instead they blow it on materialistic things.

>clarity of mind, peace, and freedom
You’re a bit deluded if you think money alone will give you this

>>30193282
Queen 1: *braaaaapppppp*
Queen 2: *fffrrtttttppptthhhh*
>tee hee did you like that anon?
>MRW

>>30194374
>44 years old
>live with my mom

please for the absolute love of god tell me this is bait.
tell me that my fellow anons arent literally embarrassing man-child pieces of garbage

>>30193282
YES! Selfmade guy here, yes made it with crypto, made also with stocks and some companys.

yeah well its a warm good feeling to know. Not worry about anything, beside your investments.

Im not a shitcoin moon boy, waking up see a 50% pump you are happy, wake up see a 50 dump you feeling going back to the cage. I have the real money. Millions on you bank account let you sleep like a baby.

>>30193282
If anything, they go insane. Just look at all the weird shit hollywood, DC, big tech etc. believe in. Look at the crazy shit Bill Gates is pushing. Which would be fine if they kept it to themselves but they begin to believe others with less are their play things.

The way I see it, escaping the rat race, especially in this demi-currency collapse environment where working is barely worth it, should be the only objective you have.

Your time and attention is worth more than anything, and exchanging your excess time and attention for small volumes of debased numbers on a screen that barely represent any real value is called a scam.

>>30193600
>You can even observe this on yourself as your portfolio grows how your sense of superiority increases
funny how people can easily forgotten the struggle

>>30193282
>What’s it like being rich?
Like being in a spaceship, on your own in the depths of space, forever. I quite like it.

>>30194745

Correct. Majority of the rich population consists of boomer generation and they are have been utterly brainwashed that that way of life is the only way and cannot see further. This is less true in certain parts of the world, however.

>>30194374
>>30194592
Interesting posts anon, thanks for sharing. I can relate on the pressure to provide grandchildren part, despite not being from a rich family myself. My mom really wants to be a grandma before she's too old for it.

>>30193282
How much Chainlink to sniff both their asses right now?

>>30193282
the most vapid and thoughtless humans I have ever met were spawn of the UHNWI. they promptly spend any money they are given on drugs. they are largely treated like overgrown children, because they are. their parents still control all the wealth. just live your life anon. the fact that you are self-aware and question existence tells me that you dont need money to be happy. look for what does.

>>30194745

Correct. Majority of the rich population consists of boomer generation and they have been utterly brainwashed that that specific way of life is the only way to live and cannot see further. This is less true in certain parts of the world, however.

>>30193282
Its probably like this.
You transcend society in a way that most people can't fathom as you're no longer tied to social obligations like work.

I always really like having a day off on a day others work. So I can watch them go to work.
I imagine its like that.

>>30194886

No, it’s completely true, but there’s the difference in perception rearing it’s head.

I rarely see her all day because it’s a big house. I have my bedroom, bathroom and study. She has her bedroom, bathroom & lounge. There are two more empty bedrooms, two more lounge/studies, a kitchen, dining room, rear parlour, gardens and double garage.

Why would I not live here? I can’t conceptualise why you would see it as a bad thing - another difference I suppose.

>>30194599
tru-pilled

>>30194592
so in short, making it is only superficial and can royally fuck with your relationship with family and preferable breeding partners.

shit, there are a lot of anons who have made off of crypto (like early btc, eth, ltc buyers) who also tend to tell tales of a meaningless and empty existence after making it.... maybe the folks who make and are living and loving life are doing just that as opposed to posting on here but the accounts of the anons read on here makes me want to strive for 6-figure hell so that i won't have to worry about bills but i'll still need a job.

>>30195045
How about in a year? .00001

>>30194996

Yeah, you can see where they’re coming from, but on the other hand, helping bring a life into the world is about the most serious decision you can make, not just a ‘must do this’.

>>30195222
Right, it's not something you should take lightly. Plus I need to meet the right girl to make one with first, not going to rush into it.

>>30194374
>44
working at Dads firm

should've taken over dad's firm when we he was 50. Feel bad for dad.

>>30195182

Pretty much. Psychopaths would probably love it though as it gives them fuel to spend their days laughing at the world around them & feeling superior. I have known some and they literally spit on homeless people and stuff - that’s not what anyone should be aiming to be.

But you know what I sometimes dream about?

Just living in a cave & living off fish and fruit. This.. ‘construct’ in which we live is as far from natural as you can get. When you’re liberated from the mindset of day to day drudgery, you can’t help but see it all for what it is.

Me, living in the cave with a bunch of smoked trout, cuddled up with my lady cave dweller companion under some deerskin rugs. That would be beautiful.

>>30195452

No, he won’t retire. He’s been trying to get me there for years but I resisted because I wanted to prove my independence. Still got a lot to learn about it.

>>30193282
Richfag here. Sleepless nights. Restlessness. Everyone tries to scam you. Family/friends suddenly have whacky business they try to subtly pitch. High school roasties you banged but dont even remember how the sex was like or how her vagoo looked like accidentally bump into you at social events, laundrys, tailor shops etc. Buy high performance but subtle automobiles. But Elon fixed that with $TSLA. Have to remove all edgy ricefag stickers and silence the engine. Dont also use custom plates. Literally have to be anon in everyday life and social activities unless revealing you are a richfag will profit you in some way. IRS up my arse, but I pay NY Jews to handle that. I just dont sit around doing nothing, I literally rack my head scheming on how to make more money, use people, get away with paying less costs etc.

>>30195458
You don't need to be rich to do that. Unless you're set on luxury.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHf5p19-Cys

>>30194374
jesus fucking christ. Take a good look at this loser.

>>30195619

Oh I know, but we’re all prisoners to our circumstances whether we like it or not. I don’t have a fellow cavewoman of a similar thought process either - that’s a prerequisite!

>>30194703
whats the difference?

>>30194374
>4.
You are retarded and you don't even know it.

>>30193282
I’ve met two self-made billionaires in my life.

Both were miserable. All they wanted was genuine love and companionship, but that’s something money can’t buy.

They were both boomers who have terrible relationships with their children, and their children are insane.

Money can definitely buy away misery (ie. going from broke to fuck you money), but it can’t buy happiness (ie. going from fuck you money to owning a yacht money). And you eventually get to a point where more money does in fact mean more problems.

>>30194592
Most rich dudes I new in college were always miserable. They felt convinced they had to buy my friendship which ironically was what drove me away from them. People born into money see relationships through money, probably because that's how their parents tried to make up for not being around. Ultimately it's fun taking Uber Blacks and getting VIP tickets and being surrounded by hot women, but it feels empty.

>>30193282
Not really. They're human on exactly the same level as the rest of us. I'll greentext up a family that I know
>descended from Westinghouse
>yes, General Electric Westinghouse
>have three passports, all useful countries
>really nice house
>all fat as pigs
>drive a really old car because they just had drivers until one of them was walking past a car dealership in 2005 and a taxi would take too long, so she bought a brand new Volkswagen
>bitterly divorced
>dad doesn't want to see his children
>children all doing meme degrees at high end universities
>will contribute absolutely nothing to the world apart from meme papers in meme subjects
>only fug gold diggers, incapable of maintaining human relationships
They accidentally made themselves Rat Utopia. The wagecage is bad if you realise that you're in it but it's meant to be comfortable for 99% of the population. You can drug yourself by consooming and still perform your function. You will literally want nothing. Your problem is your assigned work. Your relaxation is your (((media product))) with your friends. You exercise to keep up with the (((influencers))) on social media (((and so that you remain capable of waging for longer))). The real blackpill is that for most people and almost everyone born outside of the wagecage, would be happier inside the wagecage.

>>30193282
You wouldnt have to worry about the price of ordinary things.
That would be nice.
And the people would be attractive and your environment would be more attractive.
But on the down side your parents would have very high expectations of you.
You would be a failure in their eyes if you didnt go to law school or something.
Then when you are an adult you would have to work a lot to stay rich.
Your job would be high stress.
You would always have to worry about offending people could rich fags are all into the woke cult.
Couldnt cut loose and have fun.
You would feel better about yourself though.
You would have the status and humans love status.
Thats what its really all about.
On net life is probably a little better but not as much better as you think.

Qualifications: I'm a 1%er now. But didnt grow up wealthy. I do interact with these people though at my kids private school.

>>30196200
True freedom is having enough money to buy a large chunk of land to hunt and gather on while having enough cash reserve so that passive income can cover taxes for eternity.

>>30193600
>Yes anon, their lives are completely different. You can sort of see how it is when yoh wake up in the morning check your portfolio and see your coins mooned 500%. The rest of the day you are full of life and happy. Now imagine being born and raised in an environment where this happens all the time, you are validated by your peers get to do anything you want and have sex with anyone. Nothing is out of reach. No wonder they are disconnected and see us as cattle. You can even observe this on yourself as your portfolio grows how your sense of superiority increases

>>30196127

Maybe I am, but don’t judge. It’d be like me throwing shade at someone who has to work 60 hour weeks to feed their family on the basis that I don’t have to. I simply wouldn’t do that.

Everyone is different and this disconnect is why people in different situations will point and laugh at me.. but my family & peers (some of whom are in similar circumstances) don’t even regard it as abnormal.

I think that’s my problem - when I tried to be independent I had a taste of the bitter reality that a lot of people have and I snapped back into this life. But it left me with empathy for people who don’t have that luxury and I can see why they would laugh at my situation while despairing at their own.

>>30193282
It's so cringe how alot of people on this board think people with money are like a different species or something.

So to answer your question, no, they're not on "a different plane of existence", they're people, just like everyone else. And money only fills so much of the giant hole of meaning that is human existence.

Honestly, I'm much more fascinated in those yogis, himalayan sannyasis, and gurus who are actually at absolute peace 24/7, able to not eat for weeks on end because of the "ecstasy of god", can stand on one leg for years until it rots away, able to project, predict outcomes, etc. Now those people are truly fascinating. That is a secret worth uncovering. All the very rich people I know are just as miserable as everyone else. You need to change your mindset, nor just your bank account.

>>30193282
I literally can't even remember the last time I even looked at a price at something i bought that's under $5k. I can buy most things and not have to plan it etc, doesn't feel like anything desu i just do it. When i was poor i wanted to buy this and that and this... but when you get the money rolling it, doesn't effect me anymore.

>>30194374
Dude, you’re not rich. Congrats on having your own bedroom though, that’s baller as fuck.

>>30194374
Imagine being 44 and typing this post. Holy shit.

>>30195120
>a double garage
Dude my house has four garages and I am poor as fuck. Kek. Stop posting in this thread you are not rich.

>>30196825
>but don’t judge
Your take on women is retarded. Also your spacing, go back.

>>30194374
you just described 6 figure hell though

>>30193282
BBC

>>30193282
>Do rich people just experience a different level of existence such as clarity of mind, peace
Just go to /fit/ and /x/ if you want to achieve those things, truly. Money will only give you freedom the moment you realize just how much of a cattle you were the whole time.

>>30194374
>>30194592
Die faggot

>>30197160
A double-Batman garage.

>>30195120
You're right, not all of is are incestuous toffs

>>30195101
This kinda hit home, having a day off during the week with nothing really to do, maybe grab some food, coffee, work out, play video games, work on the house/garden all on your own schedule whilst you know everyone else is waging is a really freeing feeling.

If I can 5x my portfolio this year I will quit my job whilst keeping a few freelance clients (minimal hours per week, decent rate). Maybe will take a CS course and see where it takes me (currently work in marketing and it doesn't really keep my brain occupied). Or maybe learn to trade profitably

Both of my parents are high net worth. Father is worth probably around 50 million if I HAD to guess. Mother works in medicine and probably has around a 5-8 million net worth.

I have lived my life as best as I can at 30 years old. I am an attorney, managed to get certified in advanced JavaScript, and have achieved a virtuoso level on the electric guitar through thousands of hours of practice.

I've never taken anything for granted but there's a sense that I can't fail even if I wanted to. I presently work for my father after a few years on my own in the startup world. It's basically a sinecure though I still work hard and make sure he isn't disappointed.

I live on my own and they don't give me money beyond what my father pays me through my job. He is very strict and would father me instantly if I fucked around.

Both of my parents came from modest means so we've never had a complex as a family.