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>>30065729
hey man..you really have bsv? like unironically

there's no way you seriously own this shitcoin

>>30066082
>>30066088
yes. ive been holding since 2018

>>30066347
Why
What would ever convince you to invest in something that's so clearly a scam

>>30065729
>falling for a scamfork of a scamfork

>>30066774
in what way is it a scam? i want you to clarify that for me.

>>30066082
I have 6 lmao

>>30066828
it will fundamentally never archive its goals, that was clear to everyone from the beginning, from the second it was forked in fact..
and then it forked again which was the last nail in the coffin

>>30067009
>it will fundamentally never archive its goals, that was clear to everyone from the beginning,
of what scaling? its already scaling doing thousands of tx's/sec. sure they are test tx's but still. sure btc has a higher price but thats it

>>30066828
Craig Wright, founder of BSV literally goes to the media trying to claim he's really Satoshi.
He's tried to fake evidence too prove it and failed, and now he tries to sue anyone who brings up his fraud.
He's also been found guilty in both USA and Australian court for previous scams and cons. He's served prison time for previous scams.
There's a reason BSV has been delisted from most major platforms.

>>30067162
ok but how does that make bsv a scam? its a bitcoin fork meaning its part of bitcoin whether u like it or not and all the things u listed has to do with a man and not the coin itself

>>30067098
no i mean the goal or being bitcoin, it literally can't
people who think it just needs 1000000 tx per second and boom, bitcoin is kill are retarded
nothing will ever replace bitcoin that just a fact, you're essentially arguing "dude, but this color is way better for the sky, trust me soon it won't be blue"
I own 0 bitcoin by the way, and I also don't like the tech, but bitcoin is top, and it will remain that way forever.

>>30066828
Now it's clear why you're still in this
>>30067281
>how does the head lying about being the inventor of bitcoin in order to give his project more credibility make his project a scam?
Anon come on

>>30067281
why would you trust your money with a literal criminal's project

>>30065729
Not soon enough. It's been over a FUCKING YEAR.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>30067009
>>30067162

But it has? Tf are you niggers talking about? Muh creg is irrelevant.

>>30067288
>>30067523
u dont get it though. look at the white paper and the old emails from sato himself. he cant be more clear in saying there is one global chain that can scale beyond visa. people now subverted his previous visions and made it something completely different. can you not see that?

>>30067655
stop thinking about tech and numbers you fucking frootloop
tell me if you're baiting or not because I have things to do, I'll explain it again, it's about ADOPTION and COMMUNITY
if the community think something is shit, it's OVER, no adoption will happen and the project is dead.
sv reaching $0 is practically guaranteed

>>30067860
you do raise a good point. its something i overlooked for far too long. just wish my ego would let me sell

>>30067860
Literally leave then, faggot. There is nothing disruptive about Corecoin.

>>30068037
BSV is nice, man.

>>30067655
It doesn't fucking matter
The head of the project is a serial liar who is trying to convince people he's someone that he's not. He has no evidence, and wallets that he's claimed to own have made moves just to spite him
He's a scam artist, it doesn't matter how good to project is when it will never replace the original and the owner is a pathological liar.

>>30068899
STOP YELLING AT ME!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>30065729
Fun fact, BSV had approximately the same market cap as monero.

>>30069025
anon how old are you

>>30069410
33

>>30069499
h-how long have you been in crypto and by how much % are you up?

>>30069499
>33
>can't detect the most obvious of scams
anon I don't think crypto is for you

Funny thing is that BSV literally IS the real bitcoin. Which was never supposed to be a speculative asset and therefore should never moon. It is just working as intended. If you bought it expecting it to moon you are just retarded, sorry anon...

>>30065729
two more weeks

>>30069650
i first heard about bitcoin in 2013 when it ran up to 1300. i tried to open a mtgox acct but the mt gox hack happened shorty after so i stopped caring about it. late 2016 is when i bought eth and btc with very little money. then in 2017 i started putting in more and peaked at 250k. initial investment was 20k and cashed out around 65k in 2018. now i have 145k most of which is in bsv. i also added 20k to this position like 6 months back. so yea im not doing well

>>30069805
if u really look at the space though you'll see that every coin is a scam. everyone likes to talk up their coin like its going to do something revolutionary but really does nothing. its all pump n dumps that is something you can not deny. bsv is scaling, however, no one is using it

>>30070275
>every coin is a scam

>>30065729
1/2
As an ex BSV holder I'll explain you what's really going on. Satoshi created Bitcoin as a competition to Visa and Mastercard. He clearly stated, that Bitcoin can scale better than these payment processors, and that was 12 years ago. And that it's scaling is unbounded thanks to Moore's law. Few years ago CIA niggers mentioned, that they know who Satoshi is, but they can't disclose who that is, as it would be a violation of law. Since Satoshi didn't say anything for years, he either died naturally, or glowies got to him. In the meantime glowies installed Blockstream, to derail Bitcoin project from scaling, and to turn it into digital gold. To be honest digital gold is a use case that we might need in the future, if mining gold in the space is going to be a thing. Craig Wright on the other hand is only larping as Satoshi. He never proved cryptographically, that he's Satoshi. He forged multiple times emails, websites, and documents to prove, that he is SN. He lost many court cases up until now. Vitalik, Roger, and Adam Back have all won with CSW. Kleiman's case is not about if CSW is SN or not. It's about CSW giving half of W&K's assets to Ira. Craig showed like 2 or 3 lists with public keys, and each time someone has signed those keys, and said that they don't belong to CSW. So what's the goal of CSW? He wants to fork SN coins. That's the con that he and Calvin are trying to pull. BSV indeed is working, but it's not what Satoshi wanted. Satoshi made Bitcoin not Turing complete on purpose. Ask Silvio Micali, founder of Algorand, and MIT professor in cryptography why he made Algo not Turing complete? It's because you barely need it in finances. Usually financial contracts are not very sophisticated, but they need a lot of security. In which case Turing completeness is something, that you don't want, as it only brings more problems. Just look at ETH, how many times it's contracts were hacked.

>>30070458
i dont get it

>>30070458
lmao

>>30065729
just sell it for an actually decent crypto, we're in a dip now, take advantage of it and get rid of that garbage

>>30066861
I only have 8.2

>>30071645
like what

>>30065729
>>30070868
2/2
The whole narrative of "let's put everything on blockchain!" aka Metanet is also stupid. Satoshi never said anything along that. His only goal was creating digital p2p cash. Not a public database, that you can spam with data. BSV needs this rhetoric though, as if it wasn't for pushing data on chain, BSV would look like a ghost chain. But if you think about it, if bilions of people would put data on chain, like BSV wants, than fees would get to a level of BTC currently, or it might get even worse.
nChain's patents were ranked by iAm at rate 0.00. They might have some useful patents, but probably 90% of it is garbage. Below you can study more thoroughly rating of patents in blockchain industry.
https://www.iam-media.com/who-are-patent-leaders-blockchain
In other words yes, BTC is a terrible coin when it comes to it's tech. But it doesn't mean, that BSV is automatically the way to go. Until Craig signs we can't know if he's SN, or not. BTC is not Bitcoin, as well as BSV is not. Probably Bitcoin cash is the closest to Bitcoin (I don't hold any, Through my life I held 0.2 BCH at most so don't even dare calling me a Cashie). The problem with BCH is, that people simply hate forks, and they're performing quite badly. BSV's price only moved significantly, when something related to Craig happened. Basically it's price action is entirely controlled by what CSW archives. And since he can't sign, the only road is down. Thankfully I opened my eyes like 4 months ago, got into Polkadot, and regained a lot. Now I'm in Algorand, that's got huge potential. If it wasn't for SV, I'd be right now in 7 fig hell, instead of 6 fig.
I also advice you OP to get through this pile of facts.
https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/
https://privacypros.io/stop-craig-wright/

>>30072091
>Until Craig signs we can't know if he's SN, or not

>>30070275
I'll tell you about Algorand. You might like it. Soon Algorand will scale to 46k tx/s. Instant transactions. USDC and USDT are already on it. Fees are at a level of 1/10 of a cent. Silvio Micali which is a founder basically checked out what's wrong with Bitcoin, and Ethereum, and what he came up is Algorand. You have like 4 SDKs that lets you code in Python, Java, Javascript, and Go. There is also Clarity. Marschall Islands already have their own currency running on Algorand's network with token called SOV. Brazil also uses it. The new SEC chairman, which was appointed today is an Algorand fan. He's from MIT just like Silvio. He mentioned in his lecture on blockchains, that Algorand is better than Bitcoin and Ether. Powell few days ago also mentioned, that FED is in partnership with MIT on making digital currency. That's basically saying, that FED is going to make their own coin on Algorand network. Algorand is fully patented by Silvio, and it's basically impossible to fork it. It's a Pure PoS, so there is no mining needed. Instead you get 7% APY by just holding coins on your own wallet. Here's you golden ticket to 7 figs, that's not a useless shitcoin like Cardano. You can still make it OP.

>>30072067
BTC or ETH

>>30069499
Fuck you glownigger

>>30073109
I don't like eth killers for reasons i won't get into, basically same as >>30067860
but i dont like eth because of the high fees etc
algo seems very nice and the community is top tier and are also very frendly.
when will algo be capable of smart contracts and do stuff like eth, also developing them will take years, until then eth 2 will be out and algo and other coins will be kill

thoughts on fantom? until yesterday i thought it was just a meme dag scam coin but after hearing about it being able to run eth code i got interested
any critizism?

the only thing I don't invest in are eth killers that's why I need to ask questions

>>30069373
And both are based and redpilled

>>30073644
fuck u im no glow nigger

>>30069499
Unironically same.

>>30070868
>>30072091
>all of this to shill premined scams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd2kn6NU19M craig shits on every other dev

its easy to get jaded holding bsv (bitcon) desu. soon/buidl memes getting tiresome. but it's only been a year or so of unfuckening the protocol, and it's pretty ridiculous the economy that's grown on it.

and that's despite maximum suppression and slander. bullish desu. nothing but the stiffest fundamentals could've survived the onslaught against bsv.

>>30075133
Its literally the most hated coin in all of crypto. Much of it is astroturfing merely because its actually Bitcoin, unlike the banker shitcoin that is BTC. The other half is because of Craig, which I can understand. I'm starting to get fed up with the guy. Hes great when hes talking about Bitcoin, but when hes pushing the Satoshi shit and doesn't back it up I fucking hate him.

>>30075312
why are you even wasting your time.. ne, your life, with following a scamer's vaporware project

>>30075312
his autism is force of nature for real. seismic. he's simultaneously the biggest threat and the biggest asset to bitcoin. his teaching on bitcoin is important. he needs to disseminate it quickly and then fuck off.

>>30073997
I don't think, that Algorand will take the smart contract market. They're aiming more at the CBDC, stable coins. Eth isn't really about being a payment processor. Here you can see some of their current use cases.
https://www.algorand.com/what-we-do/use-cases
I would be pessimistic on ETH 2.0 though. Vitalik clearly stated, that they need years to develop it. It's hard to predict what'll happen. It looks like people are greedy enough, that they're not afraid to pay $50 on uniswap to get their hands on a shitcoin flavor of the month. What I think will happen, is that other networks will take some of it's use cases.. Others, like maybe Polkadot will help in scaling it. In the end maybe that's better for this space. If everything would run on ETH, then this space would be utterly centralized. It looks more like each project will specialize in doing one particular thing.
I barely know anything about Fantom. But I never invest in any DAGs. But when I look at It's chart I'm a bit concerned, that it might dump any time. And besides I'm about to start researching HBAR, so that's where I'll focus for now.

>>30074849
The problem is, US, EU and Australia are not too keen on wasting electricity. Sooner or later they'll try to do something about evil miners, that are increasing temperature, and meme CO2. Unless Chinks take over the world, PoW coins are too risky to hold. Their price can dump significantly any day.

>>30075312
Craig is not Satoshi. He's already playing with people for 6 years, and there is no end to his drama.

>>30075782
doesn't it make more sense to have on protocol that can do everything

and then nodes who specialise in facilitating whatever kind of transaction is needed.

i think the internet early days looked like there might be more than one protocol too

>>30075782
>What I think will happen, is that other networks will take some of it's use cases.. Others, like maybe Polkadot will help in scaling it. In the end maybe that's better for this space.
thats what realistically is going to happen, eth won't get dethroned, but other projects will take some market share
we'd end up with a real shit show with so many different chains and coins
bullish for quant

>>30075647
He woke a lot of people up to the inner workings of Bitcoin. Back in 2015 I remember hearing about some Aussie claiming to be Satoshi and completely ignored it. Couple years later the guy was describing the mining processes and the economic nature of Bitcoin and he was undeniably correct about all of it. As for him being Satoshi I could see it going either way, but I'm sick of hearing about it without definitive proof. It's a thorn in our side.

>>30075962
That's what I also thought, but in the end people that ended up in this space were those, which don't agree with how internet is running currently. Right now few companies control the narrative. Whatever Twitter, youtube and Faceberg say is saint. If everything was running on one blockchain, then it would be way too easy for governments to impose what they want. We'd end up with an even worse internet, that we have currently.

>>30076765
Craig is indeed smart, and he's especially good at explaining economic part of Bitcoin. The problem is, that it doesn't prove he created it. It only proves, that he studied this system thoroughly.

>>30077445
no monopoly lasts forever, or even for long. the companies are satisfied with the narrative, the world isn't. almost every content creator i know is fucked off with the current model and would jump on any fair monetisable alternative with a good network effect.

they already impose what they want. they also mine your data and use it to manipulate voters. may as well make it all transparent, no?

Elon is already priced out of bsv and the btc whales have no clue what to do

It’s a free for all to convert your remaining shitcoins (anything not BSV) to bsv — first come first served faggots

>>30078266
>alternative with a good network effect
That's the problem that BSV is uncapable of fixing. You'd need Craig to sign. Then everyone could hear, that BTC is fake, and BSV is the real one. People would jump in on the train, BSV's price would pretty fast pump to $5000+. People would start building on it, and use it to pay for content. The problem is, that CSW can't sign, and he's only mocking big blockers. He made more damage to big block community, than good.

>>30078822
desu my analysis of craigs legal behaviour went from 'this is a man who holds all the cards and dgaf' to 'this man fucked up and is scrambling to fix things'

idk tho. if he has the receipts from purchase of the original website domains, that's game set match. kleiman is also suing him precisely for having the satoshi million. all quite a head fuck.

but look at https://bitcoinblocks.live
doube digit blocks that ppl would point out as an event last year are now happening several times a day. bullish as fuck.

>>30072091
Bitcoin is Turing complete.
Everything else you have said is stupid because you can't even get that right.
NGMI.

>>30077445
Craig's claim to Satoshi is the least valuable thing hes done for Bitcoin. I just wish he'd put up or shut up about it.

>>30078822
>You'd need Craig to sign
Or stfu. BSV stands on it's own.

>>30078266
based pic

>>30065729
Never, nobody like CW except you clowns. Wasn't there supposed to be some big revel last week or so? What happened? another letdown by that scammer?

>>30065729
BSV is cash. How can money measure itself? George Gilder said it best, the satoshi should have a stable value.

>>30081049
Bitcoin is not Turing complete on it's own, unless you ad an outside looping function. Bitcoin on it's own is not Turing complete.

>>30081210
What did he do to the big block community? All he did was being a huge faggot. Big blockers are today almost non existent. Let's presume, that Craig is SN, and is capable of signing. If he'd sign back in 2017, we probably wouldn't have any forks. Maybe even your metanet wet dream could actually happen. But even if he'd sign right now, then I'm pretty sure, that most of the people wouldn't go with SV.

>>30081354
On 24th place in CMC, and still going lower.

>>30083973
That was previous wednesday. The big happening was suing programmers from BTC, BCH, BCHABC, and BSV so that Craig can lay his hands on 100k coins on each chain from 2 wallets (one of them being 1feex). Which means, that within few weeks he's going to get 100k BSV to dump on his followers. BCHABC might also fork, as they probably don't have enough money to fight against an autist with billionaire sugar daddy. The funniest thing is, that these coins belong to a hacker that hacked mt gox, so now people are suing CSW for hacking them.

>>30070868
>To be honest digital gold is a use case that we might need in the future, if mining gold in the space is going to be a thing.

You realize thats never happening right?

>>30085077
>But even if he'd sign right now, then I'm pretty sure, that most of the people wouldn't go with SV.
they would, take it from me, a sv hater.
but he can't and won't and it shouldn't even be brought up in an example, I HATE how this man is wasting so many peoples time
that's what pisses me off
the fact that people itt are wasting their time writing posts about him or his coin
time is so fucking valuable and he's responsible for wasting hours upon hours of other peoples time
go tell your mum you love her, imagine if she died while you were wasting your time arguing about bitcoin sv Jesus christ, a fate worse than death

>>30065729
Step 1: look a bcashie chart
Step 2:

>>30085077
The faggot signing doesn't make metanet work, you absolute fucking idiot.