/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>29679057
There’s no breaks on this train

>>29679057
what do these numbers mean

ITS OGRE

>>29679057
why is the free market rejecting biden policies ?

>>29679057

Good. Stocks were way overvalued and this shit was too depressed, let it get back to 2.0

>>29680130
big number mean investor scared of crash

>>29679057
What does it mean tho? No one can even properly answer me the question, what are the short term and long term effects of that?

>>29680330
eli5 why number up = bad?

Should I sell my gold I'm scared bros

>muh inflation
>drops to 1765

WTF IS GOING ON AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>29680454

Gold is a bet on stagflation, not just inflation, retard.

>>29680254
>"The working class does"
She doesn't know basic fucking grammar.

>>29679057
lmao they are just bluffing at this point
there is no way they can stop the acceleration on the money printer

Guys, hold me.

>>29680254
if there were 100 caveman and one could make a spear you could argue that one caveman is more important than the other 99.

>>29680402
bonds are risk-free investments
when their value goes up, the risk premium value decreases
it becomes less profitable to take risks on the market when risk-free options grow in value, thus money leaves the market and goes back into pre-boomer fedpaper

>>29680454
No, gold price is just automatic response to rising treasuries not realizing that the treasuries are rising because the market is fucked beyond repair.

Are we back to negative returns for treasury bonds yet

>>29680398
the 10 yr bond is a the benchmark for what everyone (retail, government, corporations) pay on debt. debt is at all time highs. paying more interest on debt means people default or deleverage leading to asset prices tanking.

no offence but next time use google you absolute faggot. /biz/ is absolutely overrun with financially illiterate dumb cunts recently

>>29680726
“Working class” is a singular collective noun you absolute gorillanigger

>>29680940
99 caveman beat caveman with spear to death.

Fuck you cracker. Distribute.

>>29680976
>money leaves the market and goes back into pre-boomer fedpaper
Which then increases the price of treasury notes and the yield goes down. So what's the problem? Shouldn't this system fix itself?

>mfw boomers get excited for 1 day worth of bitcoin returns per year.

>>29680976
Are they know? With a debt running up 130% GDP and a demented president elected, do you really want to be holding bonds in the next 10/20/30 years?

>>29680726

Ok francisco de Guzman

>>29680726
"Working class" refers to a group/organization.

>>29681304
6.5/10 bait

>>29681256
>hesright.jpg

Keep loading up. We ride to moon land by may.

>>29680976

RETARD.

>>29681631
Well then you explain it, let's hear it

>>29680726
How do you think that’s supposed to be written, Ranjeet? “The working class are not needful of the billionaires”?

>>29681561
Even if you had 100 million dollars you could just buy bitcoin when its going up and cash out once you've made 10%
There saved you a whole year.

>>29680726
class is a singular noun, retard

>>29680976
The US govt is incapable of paying any of its denbts. Did you not know thaf?

What the fuck is a 10 year treasurey note

>>29682119
Some people think the world will exist in 10 years

>>29682198
the world will exist anon.
People will be poor and they'll eat beans and rice.
But they won't be eating each other or anything.

>>29682119
You lend the Federal government money, they pay you interest for a while, then you hope Kamala returns your money a decade from now.

Serious question, why would anyone buy treasury bonds? Even with """high yields""", we're talking microscopic amounts that don't even make up for nominal inflation, much less real inflation.

>>29682198
DU WILL LIVE IN ZER POD
DU WILL EAT ZER BUGS

>>29680354
how do i profit from this?

>>29682302
You will eat bugs and you will be happy

>>29682644
sell.
>>29682487
because the 1.5% they make on it is going to be a lot better then the -80% stocks are about to do.

>>29682675

>>29680976
>risk-free
lol

>>29680454
After the Great Reset, only people with Gold will own everything

When does the fed step in to push the price down

>>29683393

Thats not how it works bro....if the dollar dies the streets will be on fire.

There will be no orderly transition to something else

>>29680130
They mean home prices will start to fall now as unnaturally low mortgage rates start to go back up

>>29683393
*only the people who've confiscated gold

>>29683202
SURGES

>>29682889
Even with a theoretical stock market crash, after 10 fucking years, like the time on those bonds, the stock market will have more than made up for it. Like with the 2008 crash. Even if you put money in at the absolute peak, you'd still be WAY up 10 years later in 2018

>>29679057
should i put everything into cash for a few days or what?

>>29680354
>> number go up = apocalypse
wtf are you guys talking about.
zoom the fuck out.
This shit has been over 15 before, and you think the whole world market is going to collapse at 1.75. What the fuck are you smoking?
Zoom out.

>>29684141

Not cash. Crypto

Buy anything dipping right now on coinbase before stimulus

>>29684346
>he doesn't know how we pay off the debt

>>29684346
Difference now is us gov debt is 130% instead of 30% of gdp

>>29684346
Now multiply it by debt outstanding

>>29681304
Ikr. The other day my father was telling me about how gold was $600 30 years ago and it grew 3x since then. I told him BTC grew by over 10x since the last 3 years. Yet he still refuses to believe in the prospects of crypto. Our world is moving too fast for the older gen. A 100x was a lifetime struggle, now it’s a 2 week hold.

>>29684346
Check TNX on tradingview. Apply daily RSI and MACD and notice the trend and the strength. Recheck with MA50/100/200 Compare to past periods. Now do the same for weekly and monthly.

This move by itself isn't very dangerous. It's how fast it's picking up that its scary for the govermnent. It's signalling things might be out of control.

>>29681251
99 caveman now share one spear. They feel proud as a community for they have made progress from having no spears to having one spear. In reality they are figuratively, and subsequently literally, starving themselves since they killed the only caveman who could provide them with the essential goods they needed to thrive, spear production. The 99 caveman slowly die off.

>>29685289
They were brainwashed to be useless goyim. Like look at your father besides
>muh same job for 30 years
He's a fucking shiny rock holding lover.

>>29685289
Did he take inflation into account. Also, stocks have consistently outperformed gold for nearly a century.

>>29682073
>>29681631
>>29681379
You are all fucking idiots. US government bonds are widely regarded as risk-free return in the global market. We all know that isn't true but it's the basis by which all other bonds and stocks are compared. If you can't beat the return of a treasury with a guaranteed worse risk profile, then you must raise the interest rate offered.

>>29685876
What's the second most "risk free" asset alternative?

>>29685997
Gold. People on here can talk shit all they want about boomer rocks and muh bitcoin 1000x returns, but gold is one of the safest long term stores of wealth that exists, and the global market recognizes that. This is why when 10 year treasury yields rise, we rise the price of gold drop, because money is net flowing out of gold into treasuries.

>>29685997
IRA I'm sure a faggot will reply gold.

>>29683584
Yep, this is bad for sellers. They will get less money but the banks still get interest. Buyers can ostensibly pay less for a house though.

>>29680454
cash is flowing out of PM and into crypto, its the new store of value.

>>29686531
>store of value that dumps 40% in literally 1 day regularly
ask me how i know you’re a lead poisoned zoomer retard

>>29686137

>>29685350
In reality they don't slowly die off because they can still lose rocks to hunt (some do but not all will) - they just stagnate compared to other tribes of caveman who are more resourceful and kin enough to share knowledge while also understanding the smart person is the one responsible for their success. But that's undeniably the mindset of the retarded majority these days which is what's slowly setting us back in the modern age.

>>29686708
>After a 300% pump
Ask me how I know your a nocoiner boomer?

>>29681251
EY YO GIBS ME DAT

>>29687030
i own crypto and pms but i’m not so fucking low iq to unironically claim crypto is a store of value lmfao

>>29686137
Gold will always be the most risk free asset. Your dogshit treasuries come and go as empires raise and fall but shiny rocks have been currency or de-facto backup of fiat currency for more than 5000 years. This monetary experiment over the last 40 years mean crap in the grand scheme of time.

>>29687175
Arguably you know how many Bitcoins are "printed" in a year. Like how gold is mined at a predictable rate.

But who knows how the fuck the Fed'll change the money supply.

>>29687291
bitcoin network collapses in any type of shtf scenario.

>>29682073
ctrl+P

>>29680726
Good sir, her English is correct. Please do the needful and delete your post kind sir.

>>29685463
You are a fucking mongoloid. Don't breed.

>>29687395
There's Starlink and mining difficulty adjustments. Takes a global EMP to completely knock out the network.

>>29687395
>collapses
Not on my fucking watch. I back up a copy of the blockchain every 30 minutes to an EMP-proof container. As soon as the internet's back on, the blockchain is back on.

>>29687634
Hit a boomer nerve.

>>29685500

Boomers dont realize gold and silver can be made in labs and reactors and china is hard at work doing this and makenit more cost efficient than mining.

Hint: they are very close

>>29687888
Trips of truth. Once Daddy Musk mines asteroids for gold the price will fall to 0. Boomer rocks are only valuable right now because boomers are still alive. Bitcoin is the new gold.

>>29687888

uh, no, they are not close to anything. trying to add or remove an electron from another element, in any measurable quantity, is incredibly expensive. no one in their right mind would do it.

>>29684346
How fun life must be to be so completely unaware of how things really work. Debt levels, you mong.

>>29687888
Checked. Fuck every boomer in this thread. You already fucked up enough generations with your shitty financial decisions and stupid fucking rocks that haven't gained shit.

>>29687777
Checked and this. Lots of nodes, miners, and other people/companies already do this.

It's ridiculously easy to protect a small amount of data like the BTC blockchain from an EMP. You can buy off-the-shelf solutions to protect a hard drive. Some data centers have specialized EMP-protected rooms. You can even DIY it if you want. The FUD that people spread about solar flares is laughable.

>>29688059
what if they find bitcoins on the asteroid, mr confidence

>>29687888
lolwut

>>29688307
Sure it takes a lot of energy to do, but it is doable and proven. Luckily there also already exists a "something for nothing" energy solution to solve this. It's called nuclear power

I think the Fed is going to let interest rates rise and the stock market / crypto / gold crash while the government uses the treasury general account to fund operations
they have $1.5 trillion just sitting there
>https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WTREGEN
am I wrong? thoughts?

>>29686531
The biggest rugpull in history and you'll have nothing. Meanwhile, Jews are currently accumulating all the shiny rocks. Hmm. Maybe you should do as they say, not do as they engineer you to do.

>>29686531

>cash is flowing out of PM and into crypto, its the new store of value.

>>29688682
Proof of said jews or didn't happen.

>>29686531
>>29688709
this thing runs on cnbc 24/7
I only know this because my grandma has cnbc on constantly when I visit her..
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msRM-4l-x1o

They are shaking out every single zoomer before they roll out YCC at the last moment.

>>29688946
how to invest in chinese electron-manipulators

Did the Fed going down yesturday have something to do with their ability to pay?

>>29680726
>>"The working class does"
>She doesn't know basic fucking grammar.

>>29683615
>Sorry, I had a nasty boating accident

>>29688946
The Shanghai Gold Exchange is a cash & carry market. You literally bring gold and silver to the market and sell the physical metal. All of it is withdrawn. What's clear here is that there is a flurry of trading going on lately.

Additionally, the SGE will become the price setting market in the future aster COMEX/LBMA lose all faith with their paper derivatives shell game. The SGE cash and carry mechanism will be the only thing people can trust. It will be the actual cost to take a bar of metal physically from someone else.

>>29689160
>So in order to transmute 1 kilo mercury into 1 kilo gold we would need 7300 protons for each "hit" x 1.8x10-9 J/gold atom x 3.1x10^24 atoms per kg = 4.1x10^19 J/kg. This equals 1.3x10^13 kWh! The price per kWh varies but roughly it is $0.05 per KWh, thus the price would be around $827,858,500,000 per kg gold for transmutation from mercury.
>$827,858,500,000 per kg gold

>>29688654
That just means they'll borrow more six months from now instead of today. Might as well frontrun that, since there's not an ounce of fiscal restraint in DC for the foreseeable future.

>>29689338
bonds were sold faster than money can get printed, so they kept cranking the printer wheel up until it literally blew out along with the entire monetary system

>>29686854
he never said "gold has been a good investment for the last 45 years" he said gold is the second safest investment.

>>29682487
because it's guaranteed, you sperg.

>>29689782
Wait so alchemy is real?

>>29689893
Nuh that's memes

Here's the reality
>Fed can't actually pay
>Gov shuts down all major banking
>Suddenly fed gets an extra couple of zeros to pay it

>>29680726
Based retard

>>29689931
yes, it just requires infinite free energy... something that wasn't widely available in the 18th century, or the 21th century... or the 22th century.. or the 28936742084624th century

>>29680940
Right but that caveman didn't make the spear in this analogy. It's more like the 99 made the spear and he said it's his, because he is a parasite not a producer.

>>29687888
>chinese government is hoarding gold in the wake of USD losing value
>but they are also attempting to drive gold's value to 0 by creating it synthetically
wow 200 iq strats by the chinks

>>29690153
>China hoarding gold
They're hoarding land

>>29690089
Dyson spheres are an inevitability anon. There WILL be unlimited energy available for work in at least some parts of the galaxy in the future (I'd guess near the galactic core due to the higher concentration of mass in that region of space).

>>29689999
same thing. yours is just the unfunny version
a giant wheel may exist that has to be turned in order to increase money printing.. we will never know for sure

>>29679057
Doesn't a higher yield mean that less people are investing in 10 year Treasuries? A lower yield would imply that a ton of people are parking money in them, would it not?

>>29690613
dyson sphere won't make energy unlimited, the output of a star is not unlimited and the moment the price of electricity drops anywhere near zero investors will pull their money from the dyson sphere company as profits plummet and then work on the dyson spere will grind to a halt and electricity prices will rise again

nothing is free, not even in billion year old civilizations at the heart of the galaxy

>>29686515
But if rates go up a lot doesn't that fuck buyers too?

>>29680940
If there where 100 cavemen and one declared the cave was his property cavemen would beat the shit out of him

>>29690478

>>29688946
So China already holds 1/10th of its GDP in gold reserves?

>>29690967
One doesn't build a dyson sphere because they want to sell electricity to someone else. One builds a dyson sphere because they're working on a project that requires the near total energy output of an entire star (probably opening/maintaining a wormhole). Since you'll need exotic materials for that kind of thing anyway, there's no real reason not to do whatever you need to do to get the particular materials you need, regardless of how energy intensive it is since you've already gone to the trouble of building the dyson sphere.

If you want to sell electricity, nuclear reactors are where it's at. Hard to beat hot rocks boiling water for electricity production.

>>29691585
Probably more. They've been buying this whole last decade. Russia too. Other central banks are late to the game as Basel III reclassified gold from a tier 3 to a tier 1 asset for central banks reserves accounting and there is a gold revaluation in June/July where they can then recognize 100% of the gold value in their cash reserves. So the buying frenzy has really been going on since 2019, but China and Russia have been ahead of the curve...China especially.

wHAT'S HAPPENING

COINTELPRO has biz talking about motherfucking Dyson spheres to transmute alchemical gold instead of getting your fucking shit together before shit meets fan.

Here's some OC

Higher bond yields would mean that banks will be doing well right? I guess financials would be a good investment still in the stock market?

>>29691882
1 satoshi to get on Elon's starship. all others get eaten by niggers

>>29680254
I wish this bitch would fuck off.

>>29681251
>>29691279
>>29690104
>>29680940
In this analogy the working class would be the guy who can make a spear, the rest are lumpenprole due to being useless. If people actually learned what communism was about instead of thinking it was "peasants vs. nobles" then fewer baristas would be communists.

The entire point off communism isn't that "the majority" takes over, but that "the producers" overthrow "the rentmongers". The retard peasant classes with neither property nor skilled labor would still be the majority but be irrelevant, marx was speaking purely in terms of "the guy who knows how to work the machines is more important than the guy who owns the machines and should just seize control of the machines since he's the fucker that knows how to make it work". Shoeshiners and beggers literally don't function into the original equation.

It's only with cultural marxism do we get the "I draw furry porn and only make money when a rich furry pays me, I am the 99%" retarded plebeianism emerged. Which isn't what socialism is supposed to be, it's literally some kind of post-socialist "everyone is valuable" retard system.

>>29691882
You've had years and years to prep, why haven't you?

Guns ammo arable land seeds gold silver buckets of rice chest freezers of meet canned food can opener water collection system stored water water filters iodide supplements simple livestock permaculture garden swap meet farmers market satellite internet ham radio bugout bag thermal blanket I could go on and on.

>>29687888
>its the astroid mining fud for gold but repackaged.

>>29688946
My grandma used to watch MSNBC before she died. She had a theory that Trump impregnated Stormy Daniels, because in 2018 that's all they'd fucking run on that channel.

Meanwhile the markets are ignoring this rock solid indicator that seemingly only biz knows about.

Either biz is full of top economists or nothing is going to happen.

>>29680726
The correct word is Arbeiterklasse.

>>29680254

>>29691882
I guess that is better than intelligence agency spam about Jewish people or asteroid mining or sexual transactions for dimes.

>>29691779 (OP) #
Russia has more gold than China on aggregate ...

>>29680890
the squees has not been squazoozled

>>29691708
>One doesn't build a dyson sphere because they want to sell electricity to someone else. One builds a dyson sphere because they're working on a project that requires the near total energy output of an entire star (probably opening/maintaining a wormhole)
possibly but the upfront investment cost will be so massive that there is no way materials that are produced will be handed out for free, or even at a discount compared to conventional mining

>>29692979
Maybe on total. I was referring to buying. Chinese have been buying more than anyone the last 10 years and they have not been forthright about all their buying.

>>29679057
>>29684346
>>29684346
>>29680890
God fucking damnit I don't know what any of this shit means

Can someone's dad tell me what the fuck these bond-future-percentage-annual-mortgage-rate-return-interest-marginal-put-long-bullshit fucking means?

>>29693536
Boomer doomer fodder talking points.

>>29688382
You will never be a Boomer

>>29693536
sell sell sell everything. but not for fiat. or crypto

>>29693536
It means that anons want to seem like they know their shit but in reality no one knows anything.

Just look at the markets, we're basically at an all time high. That reflects what investors really think about future growth. Biz isn't going to predict shit.

>>29682487
Because if you have to park 500 billion dollars somewhere, you don't throw it in a liquidity pool in Uniswap
You have to have actual backing, real guarantees

>>29680130
countries making the interest rate higher is a very quick downfall
they're overexagerrating here though, 0.1% is nothing

>>29692979
Russia stopped buying gold last year to keep their basket balanced

>>29688412
>The FUD that people spread about solar flares is laughable.
>and then the power goes off.

>>29686885
and then all 100 started fucking each other's hairy boipussies

Americans shilling their government debt

>>29692193
My analogy was fitting
Every caveman can make a spear, some may be better but everyone can
Useless parasites developed after the agricultural revolution
There may be a Caveman who is good at finding nice caves for shelter, but it is not his cave
He finds the shelter so he can live there with his tribe instead of some wet shitty cave someone else found
Of course he gets food from the good hunters, as he is usefull
He might be an elder who knows good caves, but is no longer able to hunt for himself

>>29694518
You're talking about Mad Max level SHTF.

Sure, OK. lol.

If that happens you have bigger problems. Cash and equities vanish too.

And yes, I hold 10 oz gold and 800 oz silver too.

>>29687888
this would work if you had fusion power. do you have any idea how much energy it takes to do this?

>>29688605
>It's called nuclear power
Fission power plants aren't the magical thing you think they are.

ITT retards who trade shit coins but don't understand what the 10 year yield is.

You dumb fucks do realize that this also impacts crypto...? BTC is not decoupled from FIAT despite what you may believe or continue to shill. A market crash will take BTC with it.

>>29694968
It is the most "magical" form of energy humans have developed the capability to harvest so far.

You could say the same thing about solar or wind, yes, all these things require precious metals and other overhead

>>29694317
has nothing to do with predicting future growth. it's the only semi safe place to put cash that's easy. real estate is insane now too. nobody wants to hold dollarino bags when the music stops.

>>29686854
Is that the CPI that doesn't include anything useful for measuring inflation?

>>29694752
I'm pretty sure that there were specialized spearhead-makers in the cave crew.

>hoarding rocks
>Beating your chest about your internet chuck e cheese coins
>Not stacking guns explosives and drugs and planning your boat to fill with hoes

Ngmi. If it's all going south why wouldn't you just be a drug warlord instead of stressing over this chart shit.

>>29680726

>>29694968
It's the only thing that's actually renewable and useful, everything else is just feel good.

Of course the russians theorize that oil is renewable anyway.

>>29695058
This is starting to change the internal discussions of CFO/Treasurers who were maybe considering BTC as a place to park some of their balance sheet. The environment is changing...but let's see for how long before Jerome jumps in with YCC.

>>29695058
Bitcoin moves quick with no stops. If the market is headed down, it's possible that bitcoin will go first.

>>29695778
This is a big news item for those thinking about institutional investment. It's absolutely impactful on that front.

>>29695058
Wait? What was bitcoin created for again? Oh right. This exact scenario

>>29696021
Brainlet

>>29693121
Yeah, of course. I'm talking about a solar system sized engineering project, who else would you even sell to? There's no "market" nearby. Although I could definitely see taking orders to custom produce exotic materials once you have the setup ready, so that for future dyson sphere sized projects you just ship everything in, assemble, and move along on your galactic conquest.

>>29694821
I'm not. It's likely if the grid gets strained. Inertia, bro

>>29694821
This is triggering my autism. Why are there so many different types bro just buy one thing of silver or gold

>>29696168
We're about to find out

>>29696901
I did it specifically to trigger people like you :-)

>>29696901
>not collecting multiple types of PM's and organizing them based on their artwork categories
You need to stop appropriating autism you newnigger tourist

>>29696901
It is all just silver or gold bro. Don't get distracted by the form.

>>29696901
If you are autistic you can just buy 1 type. People without autism like to have many different types because the designs are nice to look at and feel.

>>29683393
>only people with Gold will own everything
*laughs in 5.56 caliber lead*

>>29687888
>chinks are on the verge of achieving alchemy

The Chinese are only good at stealing ideas. Now if you had said Israel, on the other hand

>>29696021
BTC went down together with the stock market literally this week. Did you miss the correction on tuesday?

>>29681251
Probably not before he can kill at least 8 of them.
The spear is the ultimate personal defense weapon before handguns.
Stand up and jab both of your hands forwards and back. That's how fast you can kill people if they're all just gonna come at you.