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>tesla dumping
>microstrategy dumping
>bitcoin dumping
>memestocks dumping
>yields rising
>gold going up even though yields are rising
>michael fucking burry basically saying "schiff was right" on twitter
oh fuck it really is over this time, isn't it

>> No.29432364

SRM rising
https://www.binance.com/en/trade/SRM_USDT
MITH rising
https://www.binance.com/en/trade/MITH_USDT
USDT always not rising but not falling (except for those few times)
https://www.binance.com/en/trade/USDC_USDT

>> No.29432500

>>29432364
>people still shilling shitcoins when bitcoins longest and greenest bullrun has ended
you don't understand what's happening here. The rugpull has arrived. The Fed is easing off QE. BTC will go back to 10k and ETH will do at least -80%

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>>29432500
you might be right
>system status: connecting
now nothing is rising

>> No.29432825

>>29432500
Ok when retard?

>> No.29433159

>>29432159
What to do anon

>> No.29433478

>>29432825
>tell me when and how other people are going to do things
anybody who could do this would be a billionaire. It doesn't matter exactly when the market tanks, because that depends on other people selling, but it's a certainty that it will and this situation has been massively accelerated due to the market forcing yields going up to what the Fed would deem unacceptable levels, except they're not able to buy more than people are selling.

>>29433159
Sell all your crypto. All of it. A lot of people are locked into staking contracts and are unable to sell, but they will dump when they're unlocked (and given their bonus 10-20% of shitcoin.finance). I would hold 50% gold and gold miners, as they're the only thing which hasn't mooned, but they will probably dump when the market does, so hold a decent amount of cash to buy later. Hyperinflation won't kick in overnight and things will go down before they go up. Don't buy too early.

>> No.29433773

>>29433159
buy the ETH dip

>> No.29433790

>>29433478
Thanks for the reply
>Sell all your crypto. All of it.
I have been starting to feel stressed and can't sleep so I think I'm going to start unloading some bags yes. Who is left to buy anyway... Not to mention, you can get over 20% apy on a simple carry trade right now which is basically risk free

However at the same time I'm scared of getting priced out, what if the fed starts YCC or whatever they call it

>> No.29434224

>>29432159
Bump op I want to know more you seem smart

>> No.29434306

yeah im fucking selling, dont care if I miss out, its not worth it anymore

>> No.29434319

>>29434224
What do you want to know exactly? Yields are rising and if the fed doesn't put a stop to it the whole thing is gonna implode on itself.

>> No.29434912

>>29433790
Look at the chart and take a step back. Even if BTC goes to 100k because of the meme s2f lines, it will correct to $15-20k because of the same lines. And there are so many black swans waiting in the wings, whether it's the US going after Tether, ending access to crypto exchanges (and destroying any buy pressure), etc.

>>29434224
>people sell bonds because they don't want negative returns
>the fed isn't buying as many bonds as they're selling
>the price of bonds goes down, so the return they pay (the yield) goes up in proportion to the price
>interest rates are a function of bond yields
>interest rates go up
>everything which has mooned off low interest rates will go down (memestocks, crypto, real estate, companies which have never made a profit and survive entirely off debt)
>a lot of companies will go bankrupt as they are unable to repay the interest on their loans
>these stocks will go to 0
>a lot of overleveraged consumers and speculators who bought houses will be unable to repay the debt, and find that nobody wants to buy their house for the $3m they paid for it
The past year has been a fight between gamblers arguing over whether "hyperinflation began in march" and other gamblers saying "hyperinflation will only kick in after an enormous market crash that wipes most people out". Now that yields are rising, the latter people are much more likely to be right. There are simply so many people who've spent everything they had and leveraged all their assets in order to buy more assets. It's an extremely bloated trade. The market will probably impoverish everyone first before currency circulation picks up and consumer inflation kicks in. And when it does, people forget consumer price inflation is bearish for stocks and crypto because you have to sell your assets in order to pay for your $500 grocery trip and $300 tank of gas. That's basically the gist of it.

>> No.29435315

>>29434912
you're a dipshit.
bitcoin hasn't been increasing in value. the us dollar is being devalued. you will only ever see the truth in crypto, and it is not pretty.
crypto will be a safe haven. it's proven and tested in imploded economies. how fucking thick do you have to be to not see it.

>> No.29435548

>>29432500
Explain to me like a I am a child, what is QE? I am trying to read the investopeadia explanation

>> No.29435576

>>29432159
>It's over, isn't it?

>>29433478
>I know with certainty a collapse is imminent. Exit all positions

Interesting thread OP

>> No.29435584

>>29434912
Sorry anon you seem like a bright guy but I’m gonna go with
>>29435315

>> No.29435649

>>29432159
literally nothing has fundamentally changed in the last 9 months

>> No.29435687

>>29435315
Shill buddy, have you taken your meds today? Relax and refute with facts, don't be a manchild, it only makes you look desperated.

>> No.29435694

>>29435548
it's when you ease the quantity

>> No.29435737

>>29432159
Everything dumping yet GME & AMC are up 10+%

>> No.29435794

>>29435694
Can you do a better explanation?

Thanks in advance.

>> No.29435802

>>29432500
Awesome

>> No.29435822

>>29435548
Easing in a quantitative fashion

>> No.29435829

>>29435794
you're welcome

>> No.29436059

>>29435687
>desperated.
stay poor and retarded i don't give a fuck.
it's common sense and the op is operating on assumptions of PAST instances of hyperinflation, where such a thing as crypto did not exist. we happen to have real world examples like venezuela and argentina to prove, in the actual real fucking world, that crypto floats like a cork whether it be in crystal clear water or raw sewage.

>> No.29436153

>>29435829
Look, I am a physicist, but I don't know those meme terms of economy, put it in simple words and I can check if what you state makes sense, otherwise you will be speaking with yourself.

>> No.29436208

>>29434912
the "correction" after 2017 was still 3x the previous ATH

>> No.29436239

>>29436059
>stock market crashes last march
>bitcoin crashes too
Explain. People are going to want to sell and buy food, pay rent, whatever when times get bad.

>> No.29436251

>>29436153
I was only saying you're welcome in advance to match your advance gratitude

I will answer your question tomorrow when I have free time.

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Lmao

>> No.29436344

>>29436059

this >>>29436239

If stocks crash BTC and gold will go with it.

>> No.29436347

>>29436239
Everything crashed and it wasn't because people were selling things to buy food lol do you really think that's what happened?

>> No.29436353

>>29435315
>it's not BTC going up, it's the dollar going down
This is the brainlet take that everyone is buying into. The price of housing hasn't gone up 10x in the past year. The price of gold hasn't gone up 10x in the past year. The price of gas, food, cars, everything hasn't gone up that fast. Only memestocks and crpyot, because the money comes from the same place - poor people with stimulus checks. That's it. Only those assets have seen the mindboggling gains.
BTC decoupled from the dollar index at $13k.

>crypto will be a safe haven. it's proven and tested in imploded economies. how fucking thick do you have to be to not see it.
It isn't and this mindset is going to absolutely ruin a lot of holders. They're simply not going to understand the dollar and BTC falling simultaneously. They will have no idea why it's happening. I am trying to explain why.

>>29435548
>fed prints money
>fed uses this money to buy bonds
>price of bonds goes up because of enormous demand from the fed
>yields go down
>interest rates go down
>fed now holds 40% of all us treasury bonds
Now there are two choices. Either let rates rise, and write off the debt the government affords to (the government would be paying 40% less interest than it was last year if it doesn't pay the Fed, so the government can now afford a rate rise), OR you buy up every single bond. Every treasury, munibond, corporate bond, commercial paper, fucking everything denominated in dollars must now be bought by the fed in order to keep interest rates down. It is important to understand that BOTH scenarios cause inflation because in the former, the $15 trillion the fed injected into the economy to buy the bonds now never has to leave the economy.
The former scenario is more likely now that rates are rising and the Fed is doing nothing. Which is why TSLA, BTC, Microstrategy, and other memestocks are dumping WHILE the dollar is dumping. People holding anything which mooned off stimmy money will see their net worth tank.

>> No.29436368

why's everyone panicking it's still above 50k

it'll be 60k by the end of the week screencap this

>> No.29436442

>>29436239
has nothing to do with the value of bitcoin or the us dollar now, today. conditions are different. they'll never be the same as they were before last march. there is so much cash in the system now that people will absolutely not sell when grocery stores are changing prices by the hour.

>> No.29436444

>>29436153
it means your mom is gay

>> No.29436491

>>29432500
What the FUCK are u talking about? Stimulus next month retard

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>>29436353
>it's the $600 checks that caused all these stocks to moon
>not blackrock
rope yourself.

>> No.29436698

>>29436353
should I trade all my physical cash for silver and gold?

>> No.29436829

>>29436698
you should buy Funko pops and pokemon cards

>> No.29437018

>>29436698
No, especially if you're poor. Cash isn't quite dead yet and you don't want to overleverage. Everyone has bought everything they can get their hands on, with money they don't own. These people will be liquidated en masse. THAT is when you should buy. It will probably happen within a few months. But be patient, save money, and don't fomo.

>>29436491
That will be the dead cat bounce. But those stimulus checks will go to the pockets of whales cashing out. This is a bear market now.

>> No.29437210

>>29432500
>The Fed is easing off QE
No they aren't retard the bond traders are just demanding an inflation premium. Either they ease off because of this or they double down

>> No.29437264

>>29436353
bonds = company debt ?
yelds = company stocks (XOM for example) ?

Why buying debt makes company stocks go down?

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>>29436829
picrel

>> No.29437326

>>29436287
You’re still out of the money tranny.

>> No.29437340

>>29436444
Not much gay, grandpa is about to die :(

>> No.29437401

>>29437277
yes

>> No.29437675

>>29437264
If the fed buys bonds (i.e. debt), this makes stocks go UP, because the increase in bond prices for low yield makes riskier alternatives more attractive.

>> No.29437698

>>29436353
So are you saying that even if the fed does not intervene with ycc, we will still get inflation? Do you think that it is more likely for them to let bond yields rise or to start buying up bonds?
Do you think other fiat currencies like EUR will be safe?

Great thread btw, this is why I come here

>> No.29437733

>>29436353
I don't get part of your reasoning, even if buying company debt creates some inflation, not buying and letting the company die would create more. Those companies produce goods, without goods there will be scarcity and products prices would go up.

>> No.29437807

>>29437698
>So are you saying that even if the fed does not intervene with ycc, we will still get inflation?
no
>Do you think that it is more likely for them to let bond yields rise or to start buying up bonds?
no
>Do you think other fiat currencies like EUR will be safe?
no
>Great thread btw, this is why I come here
no

>> No.29437818

>>29437210
>the fed isn't easing off qe
>haha yeah they're no longer buying bonds at the prices sellers want and the yield is going up but that's different
It's functionally the same. Like you said, if they don't double down here, and offer to pay whatever price sellers want, then the party is over.

>>29437264
Treasury bonds = government debt, and the yield on government debt is essentially the same as the interest rate. Yield is the amount of money you get relative to the price. If you buy a stock for $10 which pays a $1 dividend, it has a 10% yield. If you buy a bond for $1000 that pays you $1000, it has a 0% yield. But when people dump these bonds for $900, but it pays you $1000 at maturity, then it has an 11% yield. Interest rates have to match this price because that's what the bank is getting for it's money stores with the fed, so if you want to borrow money from the bank you have to beat this price. It's a little more complicated than that but that's the general idea.

Buying company debt doesn't make stock prices go down. However, if the company debt bonds yield only 3%, and investors can get 11% from the government, nobody is going to buy the new company bonds. And if the rates are variable, which they usually are, then the company has to pay even more money to service it's current level of debt, which is on average, fucking enormous. Almost all US companies just issue more bonds to pay back previous bonds, like the government does. But if the company doesn't earn a profit, and it can no longer issue bonds, then the company is worthless. $0.

>> No.29437868

>>29432159
You're watching organized FUD from the Treasury of the US and the Fed.

>> No.29437879

>>29437807
Thanks for the insight, brainlet

>> No.29437970

>>29437018
You think foreclosures and seized asset auctions are gonna boom within a few months?

>> No.29438036

>>29437807
most relevant posts itt

>> No.29438105

>>29435548
The government gets worried when there are economic downturns. Sometimes they worry there’s not enough money to go around. Sometimes they don’t want assets to depreciate. Sometimes they worry the government owes too much and can’t afford high interest debt.

The solution? The FED Reserve buys US treasury notes from big banks “primary dealers” using checks from an empty bank account. This poofs in money. The fed reserve then owns US treasury debt. When the government wants to tighten money they will sell the treasuries to banks and burn the cash.

>> No.29438178

>>29437733
You reasoning assumes that companies are operating efficiently to produce the most goods and services and are utilizing their debt towards that end. In reality we would see likely see an inflationary crash, but the reorganization of the economy actually putting money back into things which actually produce value is much better long term. The longer you inflate a bubble, the worse the underlying economy becomes due to misallocation of resources.

>> No.29438197

>>29437879
>Thanks for the insight, brainlet
no
>most relevant posts itt
no

>> No.29438208

>>29435548
Printing more money i.e. money printer go burrrr

>> No.29438263

>>29437698
>Do you think other fiat currencies like EUR will be safe?
Other fiat will be better, but they're all bad. RMB and some fiat currencies which are arguably soft backed by their mineral reserves combined with a low population, like Canada and Australia, will probably do well.
>Do you think that it is more likely for them to let bond yields rise or to start buying up bonds?
They will definitely keep buying bonds, but at some point the game will be up. There will be more sellers than buyers regardless. The only way to bring yields down is to buy more bonds with printed money, and the fear of printed money sends yields up. It's a vicious cycle and will be brutal when it hits.

>>29437733
>not buying and letting the company die would create more
it would send prices up, yes, but the monetary base has to be expanded in order for the fed to buy company bonds, which sends prices up anyway. what you're describing is what they're doing right now - basically saying no company is allowed to go under anymore, and everything is too big to fail, but there is a limit and we are coming close to it.

>>29437970
This is still a toss-up. The effect of moratoriums has likely been understated. It depends much more on interest rates than anything else. If rates rise, house prices go down but monthly payments go up. This will be extremely brutal on people who are currently struggling to repay. I don't think the government will bail everyone out and buy everyone's mortgage. It's pretty safe to say mass foreclosures won't happen within a few months though. Housing bubbles pop the slowest. Within a few years is pretty much a certainty.

>> No.29438295

>>29438263
I disagree

>> No.29438500
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29438500

I just lost half of everything I’ve earned since August this last month on fucking meme stocks. I should just jump ship and liquidate.

>> No.29438685

>>29438178
Can't the government only buy debt from companies that are operating efficiently?

I honestly can't understand why the government can't just give people money and let the people buy goods and save companies that are productive and efficient, and let the other companies just die. For that to work product prices should be fixed.

>> No.29438772

>>29438263
man you’re a sage among fools on this board, thanks for gracing our lowly presence.

>> No.29438808

>>29438500
Yeap, lost one month of money in the last week. My fucking bots were unable to ride of the market efficiently.

>> No.29438825

>>29438685
During the corona crash last year we literally saw the fed buying up junk bonds. They threw everything and the kitchen sink at the crash to get it to reverse.

The government isn't in the business of making the economy better, it's in the business of increasing the wealth of the wealthy. Think about how much kvetching they have done the last year over a few hundred billion in direct stimulus payments to taxpayers, vs. the trillions they easily hand out for any other reason.

>> No.29438857

>>29435802
>>29432500
BTC discount inbound?

>> No.29438893

They won't let this happen to dear old america under bidens watch. The retards who voted for him would literally suicide, expect 3 years of happiness and on the final year expect the shitstorm to begin

>> No.29439044

>>29438263
Do you think currency like Saudi riyal or Singapore dollar would be relatively safe? Meaning safer than North American or European currencies? I'm thinking they' are still wealthy countries and they have reserve beyond the USD.

I would like to short sell using futures the USD if it hits hyperinflation. In which case, my own country's currency will go down with it, so I need to find another currency to use.

>> No.29439087

>>29438825

Well basically what you are saying is the USA is a plutocracy, and it really is, that is the main reason if will collapse, there are documents of HSBC stating the USA is a plutocracy. And historically all plutocracies fall, there is a point where you can't take anything else from the people.

>> No.29439169

>>29436353
I legit don’t think the math supports the crypto boom being caused mostly by small retail players with weak stimulus checks though.

>> No.29439260

>>29436059
>we happen to have real world examples like venezuela and argentina to prove, in the actual real fucking world, that crypto floats like a cork
Because Bitcoin was valued in Dollar. Dont you understand thats not the same, when we're talking about the US and the dollar itself crashing?

>> No.29439387

>>29439169
The crypto boom comes from USDT, but if if has any real parity with the USD still needs to be proven

>> No.29439389

>>29439169
This, I’ve been in the crypto space for years, never seen so much money come in and buy up these Btc dips like $2 pussy in Mexico, the institution meme is real.

>> No.29439462

>>29438685
>For that to work product prices should be fixed.
Price fixing is a one way ticket to Venezuela city

>> No.29439604

>>29432159
tsla is a memestock. Not worried about bitcoin its a token representing the value intrinsic to a shift in how all contracts insurance markets etc are conducted via link and hbar etc. Volatility is always a feature of new markets. I would expect gold to go to 2400 because of money supply. However (I do hold it both electronically and physically, as a well as 50KG of silver physically) it produces no active return. As ever buy for value and buy when its cheap, oil, food, energy, financials, utilities (people need to borrow, need food, need energy) but really a 10% pile of gold and silver is maximum. Any non dividend paying high PE stock deserves to be pounded to death.

>> No.29439664

>>29439260
The US and dollar is not crashing, the US liquidity is being matched by the ECB and China. Never bet against the dominant global empire

>> No.29439732
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>>29438857
I expect a cascading liquidation which makes the last one (only narrowly avoided) from 58k to 48k look like a joke. I expect a hard crash to at least $30k, but I'm not going to short it because as you can understand from my thread, I think leverage is bad.

>>29438825
There's a reason for this. The rich are smart enough to use relative (real) pricing rather than USD pricing. Asset inflation alongside consumer price inflation means you haven't gotten any richer. But if you only bail out the rich, and give nothing to the poor, then asset prices go up, and the rich don't have to pay extra for their food and gas, etc. You basically buy time for the rich to shuffle their assets around and price out the average person, but because consumer prices aren't up, main street business don't see increased revenue, and wages stagnate in nominal terms and go down in real terms.

>>29439044
>Do you think currency like Saudi riyal or Singapore dollar would be relatively safe? Meaning safer than North American or European currencies?
Not sure about either. Riyal might do well if oil continues to rise, however like with Singapore, it is completely dependant on external factors. Bin Salman probably has a lot of control over that and you're betting on somebody else's actions. If oil goes up and shipping tanks, I'd expect Singapore to struggle. Singapore has to deal with the China problem too. Everything is risky.

>>29439169
Tether, institutions, and relatively huge proportions of the globe sitting at home throwing their free money at bitcoin. All these things lead to increased demand and reduced supply. But it's a very one-sided trade and the vertical line straight up will come down. Even 10m people in the world buying an average of 5k usd of BTC/shitcoins is 50 billion dollars, far more than tether or institutions have pumped in, and 50 billion dollars in a crypto which a year ago was only valued at 100b is enough to easily have an enormous effect on the market cap.

>> No.29439823

>>29438685
Go look up the list of companies the ECB is buying via its bond programme. It is efficient.So is the fed. What is different this time is tards were given cash, and more is incoming for definite tards, indebted liberal arts students etc. That increased velocity of some of the liquidity and that is inflationary.

>> No.29439911

>>29439462
USA is sick, it needs medicine, you need to kill the parasites one way or the other. What solutions do you see? I don't know much about economy.

>> No.29439943

>>29439732
>Riyal
No. Absolute garbage and gambling on forex particularly forex connected to a tin pot6 fundamental loon religion monarchy that cuts up people in its embassies is batshit crazy. If you want oil its xom, shell etc and you are late

>> No.29440002

>>29439911
> I don't know much about economy

Clearly

>> No.29440014

>>29439911
The USA is fine, the major problems in the world including the pandemic originate in communism, china and belligerent dictators in failed states like russia and syria, iran etc

>> No.29440077

>>29439911
I would classify communist China and the muslim world as parasitic

>> No.29440192

I'm selling every month, until the tax limit is reached. I dont move the market, as I sell small quantities.
Now with this crash, I was wondering about buying back. Should I wait for March? Will it fall more? Will it go back to $10k? I'm serious here. How much is expected to be dumped? Anyone with insider information about it?

>> No.29440325

Which coin will survive the massive crypt dump?

>> No.29440411

>>29432159
>mfw bought the barrick dip yesterday
feel extra comfy rn fren

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>>29439604
Good take.
>Volatility is always a feature of new markets.
Bubbles are a feature of new markets, whether railroads or dotcoms or tulips.
>Any non dividend paying high PE stock deserves to be pounded to death.
They will be.
>gold to $2400
This would still only barely be off the historic lows in real terms. I think gold will go up much higher than most people think. If the USD fails as a reserve currency, there is only one other tier 1 asset. And the central banks will print as much currency as they need to in order to buy that asset. In real terms gold might only go to 10-20k but in nominal terms I think it will go a lot higher.
>financials
I think the financials are extremely overvalued but it will certainly be the most interesting market to watch. Good points on food and energy though.

>>29440192
>buying back now/soon
BTC has seen the greenest bullrun in its history. You would be better off DCAing out and wait for the lows in a year or two. There are better markets out there than crypto at this point.

>>29440325
Probably none. I have some bags I'm not selling but I expect them to go down for at least the next year.

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>Long signal: the thread

>> No.29440497

>>29440014
Well, China is growing, and they are producing state-of-the-art technology in every meaningful front of science, while you guys keep making your students full of debt and having to live in their cars.

>> No.29440519

>>29440014
>The USA is fine
Thats why the economy needs to be pumped full of money, right.

>> No.29440526

>>29440325
Your weak and stupid like all the other shills and victims buying crap from binance. This is normal profit taking and the worthwhiile fintech TECHNOLOGIES will only continue their advance in value. The era of shitcoin icos and memcoin pumping is over

>> No.29440533

>>29440461
>BTC has seen the greenest bullrun in its history
you must be new

>> No.29440605

frenly reminder to never listen to nufags, especially not on /biz/

>> No.29440661

>>29432500
Hope so. Want to load up on some discount crypto for the next bull run.

>> No.29440667

>>29440461
>There are better markets out there than crypto at this point.

Well, what market is promising right now?

>> No.29440700

>>29440461
Gold could go to 3K sure but it wont stay there. It will settle back down under 2500. Financials are an undervalued sector and I have been accumulating in Irish banks and WFC since last march and have been rewarded for it. They are the mechanism for property ownership for normies and are going nowhere. Liquidity will flow into them and be clipped for profit. Food, Energy, Good value low PE necessaries

>> No.29440730

>>29440605
L2s soon. stimulus soon. this whole thread is a larp. hope we don’t bleed for two weeks tho

>> No.29440782

>>29432159
And Celsion got fast tracked by FDA and GameStop is up 15%.

Great day for me!

Ps: you better buy celsion before 60 days is up, the fda must approve their new cancer treatment within 60 days of a fast track decision. Could do it as soon as this week. They made a new way to target the specific dna of cancer inside a person to spare the other cells, it’s a revolutionary technique.

>> No.29440837

>>29435315
*ding ding ding*
Retard Alert !

>> No.29440858

>>29435737
Not a good thing

>> No.29440886

>>29440519
>>29440497
China is a failed state run by a corrupt morally bankrup oligarchy based on the nominal witterings of a dead 19th century prussian hack. It makes its money selling low priced low margin shit to the planet via low wages and a slave population. It has no future in its current shape. None.
>>29440519
All major economies including the ECB and Fed, UK etc are pumping money. You are some American hating lunatic of no consequence. You are betting against Rome in the second century

>> No.29440939

>>29440661
That should be next Friday then. Volatility works both ways

>> No.29440990

guys should i sell all my crypto? ive never had this much money in my life. im in the low 7 figures and im getting worried...is this the top? or just a pullback and the bullrun will continue?

>> No.29441008

>>29440886
Bull market is just starting stop FUDing you long winded faggot.

Rotate your portfolios into commodities and value and watch the money printer take care of you

>> No.29441056

>>29433478
I own less than 500 in crypto, i should just hold huh?

>> No.29441057

>>29440700
Gold at 3k is still a historic low in real terms. I fully believe we will see a 70s style crash, where stocks dip 40% in nominal terms but lose 90% of their value in real terms. The gold to everything else ratio might not go to it's 70s high, but even halfway there, it would still be above $10k.

>> No.29441082

>>29440886
Cant wait for president Kamela Harris. Rome, my ass.

>> No.29441085

>>29440782
Where can I buy Celsion stocks with crypto?

>> No.29441104

>>29441057
you are full wrong. tech will pullback everything will keep running

>> No.29441186

>>29440886
Well, the statistic don't say that. Do you have facts to back up your claims?

>> No.29441245

>>29440990
OP is one of those precious metals boomers who've been predicting an economic apocalypse since the 1990s. Chances are he won't be right this time either.

>> No.29441292

>>29435548
quantatative easing, fed prints money dumps it in economy through bonds to keep economy on life support during crises

>> No.29441350

>>29441008
Some pathetic choinese ultra nationalist with zero grasp of reality beyond his social credit score. 40% of china is desert. Its oil dependent and has no oil, its military is a relative weakling and its in demographic decline. It exports cup holders and garbage with no margin that can only be made their using german manufacturing equipment and slave labour. Its a dead zone. It can't even feed itself securily. Above all its leadership is an utter failure

>> No.29441369

>>29436287
fuck niggers and CLF

>> No.29441419

>>29441057
I think stocks will go up, gold and silver and all asset classes will rise and the rich will get richer and the poor poorer. In other words good functioning normality

>> No.29441477

>>29441245
It's simple. Either the fed intervenes, or it doesn't. If you seriously think there isn't a 100% chance of economic collapse without fed intervention, then I don't know what to tell you. It's funny, it seems like all the people that are knowledgeable about bond markets and interest rates get labeled as precious metal boomers, while the people who have no knowledge of such things just claim it is doomporn.

>> No.29441503

>>29441186
Who the fuck would even bother looking at statistics overwatched by communists? These were the same people that said china had record harvests while 60 million were starving to death there

>> No.29441592

>>29438825
>>29439087
Good points.

>> No.29441681

>>29436353
poorfags with stimulus checks cannot conjure up 1 TRILLION in market capitalization.
I agree with the rest of your posts but that idea is retarded.

>> No.29441719

>>29440990
Sell and be a millionaire anon, don't let greed overcome you.

>> No.29441782

>>29440990
>guys should i sell all my crypto? ive never had this much money in my life. im in the low 7 figures and im getting worried...is this the top? or just a pullback and the bullrun will continue?
Sell 25-50% for now.

>> No.29441909

>>29432500
>FED EASING QE

LOL no and direct money payments are still on the menu

>> No.29441963

>>29439732
Be honest, you've been sitting on cash for 11 months watching your purchasing power go down the drain while jerking off to the thought of "cascading liquidations" and "gold miners mooning," haven't you? Anyone short-term bearish in this macro is mentally deficient. Now you're roping these gullible newfags into your doomer fantasy because they don't know better.

Stopping the printers and letting yields rise would be a complete, out-of-the-blue 180 by fiscal policymakers, and exactly what they've been saying, repeatedly, that they're going to do anything to prevent. The monetary supply is going up, they're still trying to fight deflation because there's still no velocity, and assets are going vertical because of front-running by anyone with a brain who can see the writing that's been on the wall for the better part of a year now. Long term? Yeah it probably won't end well, unless we unironically go straight into hyperbitcoinization, which will make a lot of people on this board happy. Short term? Zoom out. The pop in yields is well within the overall downtrend. The dip in BTC and equities is well within the overall uptrend. Of course that's enough to get faggot bear retards like you to come out of the woodwork.

>> No.29441966

>>29441719
Assets will inflate with liquidity. You are saying sell assets. No. Crypto is volatile and takes balls. BUT it is just a IMPORTANT fintech growth stawk (if bought correctly). Selling any asset for cash now is fucking insane because the only sure thing is that cash will have less purchasing power in any asset class in 24 months. Want to swing trade (gamble) on crypto shitcoins/penny stawks/silver miners/options/forex? Go ahead but you will loose and you are not an investor just a compulsive gambler

>> No.29441990

>>29436353
The "problem" is that no one knows about or understands yeilds. Fuck I don't. So this is either smart or master class fud

>> No.29442031

>>29441503
Who the fuck would even bother looking at statistics overwatched by plutocrats? These were the same people that said USA is free a nation, while killing humans right activist and starting dictatorships all over the world.

>> No.29442152

>>29442031
Could all squeaky ultra nationalist America hating chinese [people please leave the thread because you don;t matter, you don;t have a grasp of the world or economics and as no one here needs a badly made plastic cup holder today manufactured at a loss even though it was made in a state prison using slave labour you are not needed right now

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>>29433478
buy signal, check em

>> No.29442277

>>29441082
Rome had Caligula and Nero and still ascended to greater heights than before.

>> No.29442278

>>29442152
Could all squeaky ultra nationalist Chinese hating Americans [people please leave the thread because you don;t matter, you don;t have a grasp of the world or economics and as no one here needs a badly made plastic cup holder today manufactured at a loss even though it was made in a state prison using slave labour you are not needed right now

>> No.29442416

>>29442278
That's fine because I'm not American, I'm European. I don't in any way hate Americans I like them. You actually believe the hellscape of China is the reality of the rest of the west. O dear. Try voting for your next leader and see how that goes chang.

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>>29432500
>The Fed is easing off QE
never gonna happen

>> No.29442482

>>29441990
Yields are the inverse of the interest rate. The Fed is buying government bonds to keep yields low and thereby keeping interest on loans lent to banks low. It’s not that complicated.

>> No.29442485

>>29442278
Tell me how many people in your family died during maos cultural revolution for nothing chang yet here you are trying to pump the broken high PE shitstawk that is CCP China? What thrash you bug people are

>> No.29442513

>>29442416
Go to bed. You're adding nothing to this thread.

>> No.29442538

>>29442513
>>29442152
>Could all squeaky ultra nationalist America hating chinese [people please leave the thread because you don;t matter, you don;t have a grasp of the world or economics and as no one here needs a badly made plastic cup holder today manufactured at a loss even though it was made in a state prison using slave labour you are not needed right now

>> No.29442587

>>29432159
>memestocks dumping
is that why my amc is doin a lil sum

>> No.29442611

>>29442538
Fuck off you stupid cunt. Noone here wants to read your Qtard nigger trash.

>> No.29442636

>>29442611
>>29442485
>Tell me how many people in your family died during maos cultural revolution for nothing chang yet here you are trying to pump the broken high PE shitstawk that is CCP China?

>> No.29442676

>>29441963
>OP has bad ideas

care to explain how OP is wrong?

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>>29442538
based

>> No.29442742

>>29442152
Are you done yet? USA isn't much different from China, you all full of parasites in the ruling classes. USA Plutocrats and Chinas Crown Prince Party aren't much different, it will be fun to see you two clash in mutual destruction. Anyway, China parasites looks less troublesome then the parasites from USA, I would be willing to bet in China in the long run. Humanity is doomed to fail, no economic doctrine will save the autistic pig monkeys that we are. Natural selections made us fit to survive, but unable to deal with nuclear warheads and AI propaganda, we will destroy yourself for sure in the long run, pray for a alien intervention or that the robots will rule us in the coming years.

>> No.29442747

>>29441681
Of course they can. As I showed above, you only need to throw about 50 billion dollars into something, and have buy pressure exceed sell pressure by a factor of 10:1, to create that. 50 billion dollars only needs 10m people, in the whole world, putting in an average of 5k each. CZ tweeted that binance alone was getting over 300k registrations per day. Add coinbase, the minor exchanges, tether, and institutions buying on leverage like microstrategy, you can easily get a market cap that big if enough people hold.

>>29441909
By refusing to by bonds at the price speculators want, and allowing yields to rise this high, they are indeed functionally easing QE.

>>29441963
>Stopping the printers and letting yields rise would be a complete, out-of-the-blue 180 by fiscal policymakers, and exactly what they've been saying, repeatedly, that they're going to do anything to prevent
The Fed has a history of saying something and doing the exact opposite. Look at the past 10 years as an example. Forward guidance is just a meme and if you think they're going to bail out al the btc holders, memestock buyers, and the market which has leveraged itself 40:1 just because they feel like it, then you're in a very risky position. The entire market is now trying to front run the federal reserve. And because interest rates are rising, this means the Fed isn't buying. This is potentially indicative of what's to come - another crash before inflation kicks in. Remember - in your playbook, if the fed doesn't buy your bags, nobody else will. People have to buy food, steel, commodities - nobody has to buy your bonds, stocks or your btc. The Fed is signalling that they're considering not doing this to the extent the market has priced for.

>> No.29442772

>>29442636
Guess Michael Burry, is a CCP agent now as well. You stupid fucking nigger cunt. shut your stupid yap.

>> No.29442781

>>29442676
He's not wrong, gold will be at 2400+ eventually but so will everything else in relative terms so that's a zero sum game. I hold I think 8.8% of my wealth in PMs and always have about that but its dumb as fuck to try and try and base your life around an OZ of gold will make you a king. It won't. Ever.

>> No.29442792

>>29441966
>measures the value of gold in USD
>measures the value of crypto in USD
>USD crashes

Explain to me anon, how that asset will be priced when the dollar collapses? oh, you won't.

>> No.29442798

>>29442676
read the post dipshit

>> No.29442808

this masterclass showing of FUD has me on the edge of my seat

>> No.29442849

>>29432500
>longest
Halving was last May. End of the bull run is most likely Q4, in line with previous halving cycles

>> No.29442863

>>29442808
Just because something instills fear, uncertainty, and doubt, it doesn't make it false. Life is uncertain!

>> No.29442914

>>29442485
That's fine because I'm not Chinese, I'm European. I don't in any way hate Americans I like them. You actually believe the hellscape of USA is the reality of the rest of the east. O dear. Try voting for your next leader and see how that goes doe.

>> No.29442982

>>29442742
Yes the USA and EU are VERY different from China. For example Trump was not emperor for life and neither is biden. Neither are the debt markets broken bullshit or the economy overseen by a communist party making 1960s style five year plans. You don't get it because you live in hell and think everywhere else is just as shit. There are actual property rights in the USA and EU and law along with elections, not the children of the men who oversaw Maos famines and mass murders trying to play court eunuchs to an incompetent communist bureaucrat styled emperor for life

>> No.29443021

I’m at an ath. Portfolio is all small cap value stocks

>> No.29443038

>>29442772
Yes you are chinese and that sucks for you. Maybe do something about your CCP problem and come back when you have you know, been less of a squalid bugman?

>> No.29443053

>>29442587
*cough* GME

>> No.29443093

>>29442914
Look Chinaman can lie. That is his magic communist superpower

>> No.29443100

>>29443038
>>29442982
This thread has nothign to do with China, you fucking retarded nigger cunt.
Stop spamming your nonsense here.

>> No.29443117

>>29442863
i know, this one is so good right

>> No.29443149

>>29443100
Cry harder chang. The EU and US are right now raising liquidity and going to snap china like a dry twig. Buy western assets or pay the price

>> No.29443163

>>29442781
>wont. ever
this is where i'm at. when the global economy collapses, everything comes down with it. even your metal and your internet coins.

>> No.29443184

>>29443117
I'm not sure if I got my point across. My point was that OP is just stating facts of reality, this isn't some PSYOP to make you dump your bags. The only point of contention where I disagree is speculating on what the fed will do. I think they will resort to YCC if necessary.

>> No.29443238

buy more btc stock!!! buy le dip !

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>>29443053
been holding my AMC since GME was around 500 and i've bought in at like 6 different prices lmfao

>> No.29443288

>>29432500
>Fed is easing off QE
good fucking joke

>> No.29443343

>>29443163
The global economy including the BIS kept right on running along with the markets through the height of WW1 and WW2. You will be waiting forever for your doomer fantasy that will and can never occur. The markets deep down reflect reality, supply and demand entire nations can vanish (see prussia and the USSR and eventually the CCP) and they just keep on rolling.

>> No.29443358

>>29443288
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-kaplan-idUSKBN29G2TB

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>>29442863
High IQ post. This should be a mandatory post in 99% of blatant scamshit threads.

>>29443238
I think the second mass liquidation is only hours away. Might be good entertainment to watch.

>>29443288
It is functionally. The yield is going up because they're not buying as much as they were. So people are selling their bonds at a lower value, driving the yield up. If the Fed was still buying every bond regardless of the price, yields would not have come up this far. You can say what you want about what the star signs are telling you or what JP is telling the market, but the numbers are going up and that means they're buying fewer bonds than they were 3 months ago.

>> No.29443447

>>29443257
been holding gme since dec. cant believe we pulled off that squeeze. wasnt THE squeeze but damn was it beautiful.

>> No.29443510

>>29443343
damn right they do. thats why im taking profits and gonna let things cool off before jumping back in.

>> No.29443540

That yield curve meme actually predicted this crises, how is that thing going? Is it a parable or a more logarithm curve right now?

>> No.29443585

>>29443447
What;s this retarded re edit babies first PnD which he got lucky in? How fucking stupid are you?

>> No.29443598

>>29442747
They're not bailing out BTC holders and meme stock buyers, they're bailing out everyone who measures their financial well-being via the stock indices, which is the majority of taxpayers. It's not some revelation that their toolkit produces diminishing returns, you're not some savant for realizing that this isn't a sustainable long-term strategy. You're just drawing the wrong conclusion.

There are two ways out of the situation we're in: cut the economy off from the cheap debt it's dependent on and let markets crash in nominal terms, or keep juicing the money supply and let things crash in real terms while mooning in nominal terms. They've obviously chosen the latter, and again, the reason things are going up so steeply is because smart money figured that out long ago. It's a scramble to dump cash, and I think it's a really bad bet to think that's going to suddenly reverse. Save some powder for dips? Sure. Don't overleverage? Always good advice. But if you're sitting on cash all the time waiting for "the big one," you're probably going to keep seething, like I bet you've been doing for months now.

>> No.29443690

Even tether is dumping 97c haha

>> No.29443699

>>29436059
>venezuela
You're also not taking into consideration other factors such as the CIA helping to destabilize the Venezuelan economy because they did not tow the line and follow the central banking plan. Economics is too complex, and at times, I feel as if even the global homos don't know what's going on. Anyone who says they have an understanding of economics is a larper, the machine is too complex.

>> No.29443716

>>29443510
Holding cash is the only definite bad move right now anon. The ECB and Fed are making money. Your boat won't rise if you are in cash. In fact there is so much cash that the PMs, solid stawks other assets even solid crypto will just keep rising....cash won't, that's for sure

>> No.29443779

>>29432159
I have 100k in gold leaps and another 200k in miners and physical

IM JACKED TO THE TITS

>> No.29443782

>>29443585
i guess im pretty lucky? idk i bought GME because i agreed with the DD.

>> No.29443794

>>29443699
De ebil CIA destabilised the socialism they were doing right this time? O fuck off

>> No.29443841

>>29443716
i'm not in entirely cash but i got bills to pay and they dont accept GME stock or ETH.

>> No.29443848

>>29443782
You bought GME because you have no individual personality or intelligence and rode with a herd of retards on redit who were being sold a worthless pen and many of them have been left with it.

>> No.29443947

>>29443598
>There are two ways out of the situation we're in: cut the economy off from the cheap debt it's dependent on and let markets crash in nominal terms, or keep juicing the money supply and let things crash in real terms while mooning in nominal terms. They've obviously chosen the latter, and again, the reason things are going up so steeply is because smart money figured that out long ago.
You haven't even bothered to read the thread and have a basic understanding of the real question the big boys are asking, which is "will the federal reserve bail out everybody via inflation now, or will there be a crash first before the inflation arrives". Investors betting on "everything just goes up forever now" won this argument last year but the abnormally large increase in bond yields this year has shown that the latter group might indeed be right. There might be a liquidity crunch and a wiping out of people in overleveraged positions before inflation takes off.

>>29443716
Cash is still not as bad as the market thinks. BTC is already priced for the USD being toilet paper.

>> No.29443952

>>29443848
OK. thanks for clearing that up for me.

>> No.29443987

>>29443794
CIA pays for people to start dictatorships all over the world, there are official documents showing this kind of thing. CIA is the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

>> No.29444016

>>29443848
and, yeah thats ecxactly what i did. and it worked lmfao. big brain over here.

>> No.29444028

>>29443947
>Cash is still not as bad as the market thinks. BTC is already priced for the USD being toilet paper.
If you hold cash it is devaluing by the minute every single fucking minute relative to every real asset class and that looks to be the case for the foreseeable future

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>>29443447
awesome fren
im still in 4 figure hell
wish me luck on getting off this ride

>> No.29444095

>>29443987
Blah blah blah ebil America, ebil EU muh CCP muh putin muh bullshit. Dumb fucking commie halfwit.

>> No.29444140

>>29441681
If a company has 100,000 shares Outstanding and trading at $10 per share, that company has a $1 million dollar Market Cap. If someone comes in and buys 5,000 shares for $15, then another 5,000 at $20, then another 2,000 at $25 that market cap is now at $2.5 million even though that person only injected $225,000 not $1.5 million. Market cap goes off what the last price was X the supply/outstanding shares, not how much $ was put in.

>> No.29444152

>>29444016
Chasing PNDs won;t make you wealthy kid. >>29441966
>Assets will inflate with liquidity. You are saying sell assets. No. Crypto is volatile and takes balls. BUT it is just a IMPORTANT fintech growth stawk (if bought correctly). Selling any asset for cash now is fucking insane because the only sure thing is that cash will have less purchasing power in any asset class in 24 months. Want to swing trade (gamble) on crypto shitcoins/penny stawks/silver miners/options/forex? Go ahead but you will loose and you are not an investor just a compulsive gambler

>> No.29444189

>>29444095
Thanks anon, you are so smart. Did mommy brought your chocolate milk yet?

>> No.29444224

>>29444189
Fuck off back to re edit.

>> No.29444253

>>29444140
The concept of marketcap you just outlined and the concept of bonds & yields completely befuddles 90% of people on /biz/. The ignorance is astounding.

>> No.29444263

>>29444028
>cash it is devaluing by the minute every single fucking minute relative to every real asset class
this is only true so long as real asset classes continue to rise. However, if interest rates go to 3%, 20-25% of publically listed companies would be functionally bankrupt and be fundamentally worth $0. Cash would be infinitely more valuable than any of these shittickers. It's a matter of comparative purchasing power. I do not think everything will go up forever from here. There will be major crashes, even if the longterm trend is upwards. Against some asset classes like gold, we might even see the entire economy enter a bear market.

>> No.29444267

>>29432159
sorry orange man bad and biden's building back better. The economy can ONLY go up the NYT, wapo and Snopes say so.

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>>29432500
PLEASE, BE REAL. I want a new GPU

>> No.29444525

>>29443446
>I think the second mass liquidation is only hours away. Might be good entertainment to watch

you really think so anon?

>> No.29444592

>>29444263
If you buy garbage like tsla, gme or PnD shitcoins then you get wiped out. That's fine. That's the markets cleaning up. Good tech, (real tech not fang crap/tsla/gme etc crap) oil, food, energy, financials (yes people need backs) will rise, PMs, land, investment grade art antiques etc will rise.

>> No.29444777

>>29444495
The fed AND ECB(which is matching the fed in money creation) are easing off nothing. Asset prices rise. Holding cash is dumb

>> No.29444810

>>29444224
Oh that is bad, I guess she haven't yet, just call her out, she can bring you some cookies too.
It was fun, I am leaving, don't forget to take your meds, good night.

>> No.29444818

>>29444253
To be fair to /biz/, most of the investment "community" has no idea how bonds, money, etc actually function. Look at Michael Saylor. Invested what, $2b in BTC, went and promoted it relentlessly all over mainstream media, youtube, and any podcast that would have him, and then accidentally revealed on twitter he has no idea how a bond works.

>>29444140
This is also very relevant because people don't understand that you don't need to cash out 1.5 trillion dollars in order to tank the price of bitcoin. Even just selling $10-20b would send it absolutely tumbling.

>>29444592
>investment grade art antiques etc will rise.
Your analysis seems good but I disagree with you on these for the same reason I don't long pokemon cards or beanie babies. Things which are intrinsically worthless but constantly going up become very low-liquidity assets. Try finding a buyer for some numismatic coins at their appraised value. It can very quickly become impossible to sell these things.

>> No.29444875

>>29444810
der ebil cia and de cullapshuing ebil west, ebil capitalism, muh venezuela, muh ccp, muh puting...back to re redit u go

>> No.29444896

>>29444189
>Did mommy brought your chocolate milk yet?
You can’t even speak properly, you have no business making fun of anyone else’s smarts.

>> No.29444993

WHAT THE FUCK IS STILL DUMPING SHOULD WE CONVERT TO JEW S COIN? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.29445000

>>29444818
For the amateur I'd be inclined to agree on fine art and antiques. There are grades that like PMs are stores of wealth and act as that. Unless you have a few million you need to stash and know what you are doing don't get into it. Both are savage markets riddled with pricing cartels and not for the novice

>> No.29445027

>>29436353
>This is the brainlet take that everyone is buying into. The price of housing hasn't gone up 10x in the past year. The price of gold hasn't gone up 10x in the past year. The price of gas, food, cars, everything hasn't gone up that fast. Only memestocks and crpyot, because the money comes from the same place - poor people with stimulus checks. That's it. Only those assets have seen the mindboggling gains.
BTC decoupled from the dollar index at $13k.

Wrong. We haven't seen inflation BECAUSE everyone has been pouring money into stocks and crypto. Money velocity is low, that's why we haven't seen inflation.

>> No.29445079

>>29443947
Inflation is exactly how they're bailing everyone out, they've all but said so explicitly. You can hold cash with the thesis that they're just larping and see how that works out for you.

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Uhhh what the correct move here???

>> No.29445228

>>29440325
ISO20022

>> No.29445255

>>29445155
crypto is a relatively new market, so volatile. If a 15% swing scare you (or even a 50% one) then you are in the wrong market for your taste in risk

>> No.29445276

>>29433159
Silver is riding again

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OP is a faggot

>> No.29445407

>>29445027
I understand your viewpoint. I may even be inclined to agree with it. The problem is, at some point the smart bet becomes "cash out now and buy stuff before that stuff becomes proportionally expensive to match BTC/memestocks".
If you spend a $1k wagecheck on BTC, and the BTC goes 10x, and you honestly believe it's because the value of the dollar has gone down, then you should rationally sell your 10k BTC and buy 10x as much stuff while the stuff is cheap. The problem is you're racing everyone else to sell so you can be the first to get the most amount of stuff for the amount of BTC you're selling. So you see BTC go down, prices go up, and equilibrium established again.
Anybody who says "it's not btc going up it's the dollar going down" has no idea what they're talking about.

>>29445079
what they say and what they do are a different thing. How did normalizing rates go? How did shrinking he balance sheet go? What about 2005-2008? Or dotcoms not being a bubble? If you invested in what the Fed said, you did very, very well at first, and then you got wiped out. The people who have invested everything in what the Fed said (buy everything lmao it'll all go up, don't worry) have done very well. But either all prices rise to match their gains, or the gains disappear, or a combination of both.
The fact that yields are rising is signalling the market that the Fed might not bail everyone out. People can say whatever they want, but the yields don't lie.

>> No.29445452

>>29445155
Here is your answer. It will regain its former hiogh because BTC has become the index for bleeding edge leger fintech that is making huge advances that will be utterly transformative to traditional markets and industries like insurance, contract law and logistics. If you sell at a loss then you loose. If you need cash urgently to live and are gambling on volatile markets while carrying debt then you are stupid anyway and I am wasting my time typing this

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>>29440886
>prussian
Are you Jewish?

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Bros?

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>>29445155
You tell me, anon.

>>29445000
Checked.
>Both are savage markets riddled with pricing cartels and not for the novice
This is pretty much it. You are completely merciless to the opinion of art critics and art dealers. You need to be in their good books because what they say about your painting/sculpture determines whether you make a profit or lose everything. There's no such thing as fundamentals in such a market, and as such, I stay away.

>> No.29445729

>>29445570
No. Are you obsessed with Jews because they give a crude simple answer to the confusing reality you live in that your brain has enough storage space to manage?

>> No.29445735

>>29443947
When more and more people try to prote t their wealth from the upcoming inflation, they will storm in precious metals like silver and gold. Silver is getting harder and harder to get untill it will be immposible. At that moment bank transfers and exchanges are a few clicks away. They will storm into crypto. Smart money is already in, dumb money is pumping their bags.

>> No.29445781

>>29445407
hey anon, im a poor thirdie living in a very closed economy, i don't have many options.

a few days ago i earned about 70K usd (wich is a lot of money here), and my question is, should i buy gold/silver, should i buy btc or should i keep my dolars under the bed and wait?

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>>29445729
Why do you lie?

>> No.29445901

>>29445648
The same can be said of crypto or stawks though, I mkean look at all the tards here that jump on shitcoin ICOs and crap like Amc. Its the same with art and antiques and you need to have a few million in disposable cash you want to store to buy blue chip antiques and art and understand in great detail the value and markets. I take about 200K a year and convert it into PMS, land, forestry, art, antiques as a way of banking because I like to have some wealth out of databases and off radar

>> No.29446008

>>29445781
Is your country about to plunge into civil war? If not, then buy real estate, after your local real estate market has crashed. It will surely crash harder than the USD.

>> No.29446042

>>29445834
Why did your mother drink in the womb is a better question. There is a board for the Jew obsessed, go there and mud wrestle with other tards, you are not speaking with a Jew although I'm sure you believe that 27/7 you are being stalked by Jews

>> No.29446079

i like how being in cash is now a contrarian position on 4chan /biz/

>> No.29446125
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>>29446042
It doesn't matter whether you're Jewish or not. I asked, why do you lie (like a Jew)?

>> No.29446133

>>29432500
Stupid
The global economy is fucking dead and every country is scrambling to develop their own digital currency
There is no return to normal. There is no end to money printing.

>> No.29446144

>>29446008
There will be no civil war in the USA or EU. Stale meme. Frankly if you are not in these too economic blocks then who gives a shit about you anyway, you have no property rights as any given week the local strongman or party official can take everything you have?

>> No.29446198

>>29432159
Leonardo Rising, buy the rumor.

>> No.29446297

>>29446008
>Is your country about to plunge into civil war?
nope, my country is argentina, there's no signs of violence in the horizon.

>then buy real estate
i just selled real state, that's why i got this money. my bussines went bankrupt with the coronacrisis and i had to sell a house to pay some debts, thanksfully my debts were in pesos wich devaluate very quickly, and the real state market is in usd.

after paying all my debts i will have about 50k usd left, and i don't know what to do.

most of my friends are spending theirs saves in minning rigs, and i don't know if i should follow them.

>> No.29446317

>>29446125
Sooooo....thinking that Saudi is a crock of shit now is an ebil lie and means you are a Jew. Fascinating Muhammed, fascinating.

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>>29446144
I never implied there will be a civil war in the US or EU, kikebrain. Anon said he's from third world. What are you even talking about, dumb nigger?

>> No.29446427

>>29446352
I include the gulf states in the third world. Its not just economic output that counts.

>> No.29446515

>>29446297
>most of my friends are spending theirs saves in minning rigs, and i don't know if i should follow them.
Too late. Do you expect the real estate market to crash any further? I'd bet on that. Besides that, you're better off with USD or precious metals, if that's feasible in Argentina.

>> No.29446530

>>29446297
A simple answer. You need to sell something that people make cheaply in Argentina and that gets you USD or Euros.

>> No.29446613

>>29446317
>>29446427
Take your meds. I am European (100% pure Aryan phenotype).

>> No.29446617

>>29446515
At some point residential will crash but that's years away and cyclical. Increased money supply reduces existing debt but will slaughter those that can't hack increased interest rates for a decade.

>> No.29446670

>>29436353
>because the money comes from the same place - poor people with stimulus checks. That's it.
sirs hedgefunds and corps have publicly stated they have bought billions total...nice bait tho

>> No.29446675

>>29446515
yes, i can buy btc, precious metals or keep my dollars. here we cannot buy foreings bonds, stocks or anything like that.
only local bonds/stocks wich are shit.

but then again, all my friends are putting all their money ond minning rigs, and i can't tell if they are making the best bet in their lifes, or the worst.

>> No.29446725

>>29445155
I just sold. Fuck that i’m not losing sleep again tonight

>> No.29446730

>>29446613
Just shows that being stupid has a bell curve in all racial types.

>> No.29446760

>>29446675
are you a woman? if yes, i'd try to marry a guy from a wealthier country at this point.

>> No.29446813

>>29446675
Split USD into USD+precious metals and you will be better off than 95% if your fellow people.

>> No.29446821

Hodl the fuck out of this & buy more when it voes even lower

>> No.29446826

>>29446760
The market for latinos and asians is very low though. Big money likes sporty blondes with blue eyes, always has, always will.

>> No.29446896

>>29446530
problem is that we are taxed a lot, and we have two different dollar values, the government value, and the market value wich is >100% higher than the official one.
so we cannot trade much, or the government will kept most of our profit.

i only wan't to protect my saving and if it's posible increase them until i figure out my next move about how im going to earn money from now on.

>> No.29446908

>>29446813
No you won't be because your cash will depreciate rapidly. Holding cash is a mugs game when more is being made every minute
>>29446821
Finally a crypto veteran

>> No.29446912

>>29446730
You still haven't answered and are actively avoiding answering the question (like a filthy kike).

>> No.29446932

>>29446297
Crypto is a bloated market. Even if enough people buy "the dip" and it goes up again, a bear market will arrive this year. It will be long and brutal. I would avoid it for a while. There's no problem with holding USD if you're Argentinian, even if it devalues, pesos will devalue much faster. Get a new job now your business has closed and invest in diverse but real assets - mining companies, oil companies, steel companies, agriculture, anything which produces real products and PAYS A DIVIDEND. I can't stress how important that last part is. And keep some cash on the side.

>>29446670
Think of the big picture, anon. Five companies investing $5b is peanuts compared to 1m people investing $1000. Tens of millions of people got into crypto since March. And think about it on a longterm scale. Tesla bought 1.5b of BTC, but somebody bought the same amount in 2012 for a few thousand dollars. The market is not as secure as you think simply because a couple big investors like Michael Saylor, who have no idea what they're talking about, have taken out loans to buy BTC. Those loans will need to be repaid, with interest, and it will be done by selling BTC before the early buyers cash out. If they sell after the early buyers cash out, the loans will never be repaid.

>> No.29446979

>>29446896
Sounds like you need to find a loophole in import export that lets you sell what is cheap in Argentina for dollars or euros. Its your game but that's how you need to play it

>> No.29447026

>>29446760
im an old latino man, i already have big beer belly.

>>29446813
yes, i think im going to do this. until the economy start to move again. crypto might be too risky and if i lost that money im fucked.

>> No.29447062

>>29446912
You know jew obsessives are boring right? You know you're a bore and that you believe in retarded shit because you are a moron?

>> No.29447139

>>29438685
>let the other companies just die
They can't let businesses fail. They have vested interests, in the money machine!

>> No.29447193

>>29446932
There are bubbles in the stawks and crypro. However they are restricted to high PE no dividend garbage and shitcoins. Just look at the catalog. Its full of worthless PnD coins. Those bubbles can be popped without that effecting the broader rise in assets both good stocks or good cryptos that is inevitable with this torrent of liquidity.

>> No.29447289

>>29445618

sell before the retracement below 30k

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>>29446932
>mining companies, oil companies, steel companies, agriculture, anything which produces real products and PAYS A DIVIDEND
spoonfeed tickers please fren

>> No.29447312

>>29440886
>prussian
Kek

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>>29447062
There's no point in arguing with a kike or Shabbos Goy. I am just going to call you out as a slimy liar for the final time and move on. All the worst to you, waste of air.

>> No.29447394

>>29446932
our stock market is not very relaiable, and we cannot buy foreing assets.

also, if i buy precious metals or btc, i won't have to pay any taxes, if i go for stocks the government will take a good amount of my money for any transaction that i make.

that's why i think my only options are crypto or dollars/precious metals. i can keep both of those options under the radar of the taxman.

>> No.29447395

The boomers gotta be right every once and a while otherwise theyd just get out the game

>> No.29447523

>>29446932
>Tens of millions of people got into crypto since March
here in argentina, you can even see btc advertisements in every street. lots and lots of people has just invest some money on it, everyone is talking about it on social media.

>> No.29447602

Test

>> No.29447687

>>29447523
*and the thing is that only some months ago nobody cared about crypto here, all the people would just buy some usd dollar if the had a few pesos left at the end of the month.

>> No.29447844

Buy low Debt/Capital value stocks/ETFs. Buy Silver. Buy BTC.

>> No.29447885

>>29447193
Sounds like "subprime won't extend into the wider real estate market" to me. Once the longs are suffering, they'll need to liquidate other assets just to make the margin calls or support their other trades. I agree that there will come a divergence between real stocks and shittickers like TSLA, but I think it will be at the result of everything crashing first, before real stocks get a chance to rise. I could be wrong, so I'm not all cash, but the entire market is leveraged to the hilt and I think a lot of longs are going to get squeezed before number goes up higher.

>>29447523
>only some months ago nobody cared about crypto here
>lots and lots of people has just invest some money on it, everyone is talking about it on social media.
This is a sign you should not be buying it. It's already too late. At this point, there's only institutions and nation states left to buy, and if they don't, then crypto has a long way down to go. Also, look at the top 50 shitcoins and tell me if any of them deserve their market cap. DOGE, ADA, BNB, etc etc don't do anything, don't pay dividends, and yet are valued way higher than real companies which make real money of their investors. Crypto is naturally a bubble but the valuations have reached extreme levels.

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>>29447523
YAGMI

>> No.29448280

>>29446932
Your entire argument seems to rest of the fact that hyperinflation is coming to the dollar.....which make you actually retarded.

Hyperinflation of a reserve currency can't happen. The USD isn't the Mark neither is it zimbabwe/argentina

Hyperinflation of assets will continue unabated though

>> No.29448412

I am a noob investor, don't have too much money on hand (less than 10K USD).

From my understanding, cryptos are useless nw to buy. I bought some silver and gold a while ago, should i increase them or buy stocks for steel companies/ oil companies that give a dividend ?

>> No.29448458

>>29448280
Holy shit youre a fucking retard. Do you often just like to feign knowledge on subjects you obviously have no fucking clue about?

>> No.29448517

You do realize we have 2 stimulus bills totalling 6.5-8T that will pass this year and that doesn't include anything on the infrastructure side.

Dems have to keep the market afloat otherwise they risk total annihilation in the '22 senate race which would then destroy their 2024 chances.

>> No.29448541

>>29447885
>Crypto is naturally a bubble but the valuations have reached extreme levels

yep, it certainly looks scary now. some people think they are about to get saved, and they are putting on it as much money as they can.

>> No.29448644

>>29448458
Please explain to me against what currency the USD will go into hyperinflation against oh wise one

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>>29435694
>>29435794
ease WITH quantity.
better explained
welcome much

>> No.29448918

>>29448517
you're forgetting that the Dem strategy is to lose so they can fundraise more against GOP.

>> No.29449056

>>29447844
You can't currently buy physical silver. There's none available. Yet the price is still shit. Why?

>> No.29449138

>>29447885
>Once the longs are suffering, they'll need to liquidate other assets just to make the margin calls
Its not 1999. Very little of the market trades on margin and those that do are retarded. No loss

>> No.29449195

>>29449056
Yes you can, it just has a ~$5 premium over spot currently.

>> No.29449247

>>29448541
Most of the best parts of crypto are undervalued...
>>29449056
I can buy kgs of silver at spot. You are reading doomer coin seller shit. I have enough silver anyway

>> No.29449451

>>29449247
>I can buy kgs of silver at spot
Okay THIS I don't believe.

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>>29449138
>very little of the market trades on margin
You shouldn't make baseless claims. The very vast majority of the market is significant overleveraged. It's much worse than 1999.

>> No.29449672

>>29449451
You don;t believej it becaus eyou are buying supid new minted silver scam coins off survivalist sites. I can call a couple of dealers and buy hallmarked 1920s/1960s silver by the 100KG at spot(and the DEALER will make his cut to). Its the same in every market kid, you want to buy tiny amounts then you pay extra. You've fallen into reading the silverstacker doomer bullshit. I don;t even want to buy modern 1oz coins or kg bars, they are too easily forged

>> No.29449738

>>29449247
What happens to defi as a whole? Have a feeling it will be a parallel system at least and eventually suck up money from tradfi. I still think it is rudimentary and much of crypto is still in retai mania though

>> No.29449765

>>29449460
It looks bigger because the same dollar is worth half as much.

>> No.29449812

>>29449738
Most defi is rubbish of no consequence. The parts that will be adopted by financial institutions will be a cash cow its a matter of picking them out

>> No.29449855

>>29449672
And how long will these dealers take to deliver this silver? Even at the 1000 oz bar level we are seeing shortages that are delaying delivery for months. Yes, mints can't keep up with producing small coins and rounds for little fish to stack their shinies, but this is a shortage that extends throughout the entire market.

>> No.29449962

>>29449138
>>29449460
robinhood defaults you to a margin account that's how crazy this market is. this wasn't possible until very recently.
back in the day (2007) you had to file in multiple forms that you lied on just to be able to access a margin account; basically that you were an experienced trader. There was a minimum account balance on it - 25k USD. Interactivebrokers was the only game in town unless you wanted to be nickel and dimed on fees.
I'm outside of the US, wish I had that low barrier to entry that Robinhood provides.

>> No.29449970

>>29449195
I look at premiums in terms of percentages rather than dollar amounts. $5 over $28 is a 17.8% premium. Beats the hell out of typical 25% premiums I've paid for ASEs.

>> No.29449987

>>29449765
what? This is the amount of call options. It has absolutely no connection to the underlying dollar value of the option. This chart is not priced in dollars. The 1999 bubble was 4m options per week. That was considered a bubble which had to come down. Now we are at ATH of options issuance at almost 13m. This is going to end.

>> No.29450041

>>29449855
Do you have any idea how stupid you sound when I listen to exactly the same bullshit the last silver peak? Its not even fresh bullshit. I can have a delivery of 100KG of silver here in three days @spot. Much of it cased hallmarked tableware that holds value a hell of a lot batter than some fucking perth mint coin you can buy a forgery off off alibaba. I don't want it (I already have a lot). If you want to waste your day buying fucking one oz coins don;t let me stop you

>> No.29450110

>>29449970
I think this is a bad way to go about it. Whether silver is $10 or $100 per ounce, the production costs involved in creating a coin are the same. Premiums of $10/oz over spot at $100 are absolutely unjustified and atrocious, whereas $1 at $10 would be very reasonable. This goes even moreso for larger bars where production costs are even smaller.

>>29450041
>tableware

Good luck getting that crap refined, refineries are completely backed up. We are talking bullion, m8.

>> No.29450145

>>29449962
Robinhood also said only 3% of their users have any margin. That's fuck all.
>>29449855
There is only so much capacity in minting stupid coins to sell to you at a markup and like every supply chain its been impacted by the pandemic. But there is no shortage of silver whatsoever

>> No.29450201

>>29450145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJSFIGw08OY

Good job completely ignoring my comment on 1000 oz bars.

>> No.29450238

>>29450110
I don't want it refined, the only dealings I had with refiners ever was buying up gemstones by the kg as a hobby looking at them (enough .25 diamonds to cover cost).However I had an interest in gemology. its worth more hallmarked as it is. What is utterly useless is 1oz coins. I don't know why people even buy them. Time to look in a mirror and accept you have been conned.

>> No.29450251

>>29442433
good thing we didnt loose a fucking world war 5 years ago or we would be totally fucked.

>> No.29450285

>>29436353
Crypto is mostly traded in asia you US centered fuckhead

>> No.29450297

>>29446932
>Five companies investing $5b is peanuts compared to 1m people investing $1000
So 25 billion of company money vs 1 billion of retail money? Are you trying to prove anon right and yourself wrong?

>> No.29450302

>>29450201
Some shit off youtube. Silverstaockers. Golobal economic collapse etc etc etcGSR blah blah. You are a fucking sucker

>> No.29450376

>>29450302
Confirmed for not even watching the video.

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>>29450251
>good thing we didnt loose a fucking world war 5 years ago or we would be totally fucked.

>> No.29450449

>>29450376
You really think this garbage is new that you are sucking up? Its a cyclical con on tits like you. Go buy6 some silverware at spot and chill.d the fuck out

>> No.29450544

>>29450449
Did I ever claim this was "new" or noncyclical? The whole fucking argument started over the claim that you can get silver bullion at spot in a short period of time, which you can't. I didn't say "this is the end of the COMEX" or "silver is going to $1000" or "this kills the fed" or whatever the fuck you think I'm trying to say.

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So uhh... Is there a way to buy gold/silver with crypto without cashing out?
>>29435315
>big companies like MicroStrategy bought millions in BTC by taking loans at small interest rates
>with BTC going up, they could easily sell bits of it to pay the loans
>now interest rates are going to go up
>"institutional investors" are now going to sell their crypto, otherwise they may not be able to pay their loans
Some anon posted a video about this the other day. /biz/ circlejerks over "institutional investors" because it means BTC price goes up in the short term, but long term what does is tie BTC to the rest of the market. Now whenever stocks and bonds dump, BTC will dump too.

>> No.29451151

i am ready for chinese overlords usa is full of shit

>> No.29451237

>>29450981
Literally just go to an online bullion dealer that accepts crypto...that's it.

>> No.29451250

>>29440886
JEWS, RETARD. JEWS.

>> No.29451378

>>29438772
>implying burgerland didn't already end up in the same situation via the "capitalist" route
lmao welcome to corporate sponsored weimar perestroika

>> No.29451443

>>29448644
all currencies will hyperinflate against commodities until China/Russia come out with commodity backed currency and begin to price gas/minerals against it

>> No.29451492

>>29448644
all currencies will hyperinflate against commodities, until China/Russia come out with commodity/PM backed currency and price their gas/minerals/sovereign debt with it

>> No.29451502

>>29451237
> online bullion dealer that accepts crypto
There is no possible way that’s a real thing

>> No.29451510

laughing at all these faggots doing anything to rationalize their own panic selling. mUh JaNeT yeLlen . if you sold from one or two dips stay out of crypto

>> No.29451527

>>29451502
Ask me how I know you've never even visited a bullion dealer's website.

>> No.29451598

>>29432159
>KSM still Rising
>Nonstop pumping of BTC & Alts this past month
>A correction of less than 30% lasting who knows

I'm not a smart man, very simple actually. But when my dick hurts from climaxing too many times, I give it a break before pumping my meat again.

>> No.29451640

>>29442277
>caligula and nero were bad
>believing in jewish propaganda

>> No.29451708

>>29451443
>>29451492

>> No.29451742

>>29440014
>originate in communism
Change that to Judaism and we’ll be on the same page.

>> No.29452655

WHAT SHOULD I BUY DURING THE DIP

>> No.29452698

>>29452655
PUTs

>> No.29452842

>>29441963
This.

>>29439732
You are retarded but think you're seeing the writing on the wall like in The Big Short