/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>28335995
Rubic.

You wouldn’t get it

D a s h
F o r k

>>28336185
Yeah, I feel like that's the play, but I'm pretty sure someone said this thing can do BTC to ETH, which, and I might be wrong about this, but I don't think RBC can do yet.
They said they'd do it soon though, right?

>>28336284
Yeah, okay.
But what the fuck does that mean? What is a Dash Fork?

>Why isn't it pumping right now?
It's a shit that can't run evms
>Why is there so much back and forth about it recently?
Because it's a scam
>Why should I buy this shit and not just stick with the 70000% gains on Rubic like a chad?
You shouldn't
>What the hell is a fucking DASH FORK and why do you retards just spam this every thread?
The coin is a fork of DASH and can't run smart contracts

>>28335995
>Why isn't it pumping right now?
Litecoin (cex with 95%+ liq) got hacked, no new news until the end of the month and terrible marketing campaign.
>Why is there so much back and forth about it recently?
Low volume.
>Why should I buy this shit and not just stick with the 70000% gains on Rubic like a chad?
It 100x or whatever in the last two weeks.
>What the hell is a fucking DASH FORK and why do you retards just spam this every thread?
Its the same assblasted guy what sold huge amount of xsn for pennies right before it pumped he even have a script to be first shitting up the generals. You can search on warosu dash fork or scam and get 1000s identical posts form him.

>>28336509
I don't know what the shit any of this means, anon.
Can you use different words or something?

>>28336639
What?
We're talking about LTC now?
>It 100x or whatever in the last two weeks.
No it didn't. It's stagnated at like 4 cents.
>Its the same assblasted guy what sold huge amount of xsn for pennies right before it pumped he even have a script to be first shitting up the generals. You can search on warosu dash fork or scam and get 1000s identical posts form him.
Why the shit would someone actually do this?

>>28336972
You are a brainlet and I am trying to help you don't buy into this fucking scam

>>28336639
I meant livecoin cex what got hacked and used to have 95% of daily volume of xsn trades.
>Why the shit would someone actually do this?
Additionally he was a discord mod what was booted for being or faggot and as a result he made a personal vendetta against XSN.

>>28337481
>being or faggot
a

>>28335995
>Why isn't it pumping right now?
ईईईईढसीबबबफाफाबेययजयममुजरजमचभषळपबयक्षक्षतणयछममछमछयछमणतछचजेऐ़न्ऋरदयथदतणतमछयचभीबभभुभुभेयेयैरैरेतुभभिबफखषणज्ञ़ललोररझझरेयेयेयेतेतेतेणूऊ
>Why is there so much back and forth about it recently?
आखबमयछछतणचूछययूमेरेयमचभीबबिबिबणढीढुढणुभुभचभीभीबबीइबीबीबीभीभीभीभछमछमछयछछयछमछमथछ़़़़़़....
>Why should I buy this shit and not just stick with the 70000% gains on Rubic like a chad?
Elephant?
>What the hell is a fucking DASH FORK and why do you retards just spam this every thread?
चचघडढयछयघभभचरगेब

>>28337228
You're not saying anything at all that I can understand.
You aren't helping me, you're just impotent.

>>28337481
Wait...
Someone lost a bunch of money and made a bot that FUDs every XSN thread?
This seems schizo tier, but okay, anon...

>I meant livecoin cex what got hacked and used to have 95% of daily volume of xsn trades.
Oh. You're saying trust has waned?
I still don't get why we're talking about LTC though.

>>28337940
It's starting to feel like you guys just don't want people buying this shit.

Look, I tried to go on Discord, but they're all just racist and freak out if you ask any questions.
How do I find out anything about this shit? None of the whitepaper and shit makes any sense. Why do I have to have some degree to learn anything about this thing?

>>28338152
ढभघमीमीभीईभीढीढढीईढीढीउणयूयूछयमगगगबबगबखबबखबिबभीमुमुयछछयछयछयिबपफडणचडफढयमतततभढघभघभभघभभगभ gg

>>28338152
T.discord tranny
Nice try larping as a brainlet. Now I know for sure you hold xsn you fucking shill.

>>28335995
Rubic

Longest running scam on /biz/ unfortunately. People have lost a lot of money yet somehow they get idiots to keep on buying which is the only reason it hasn't completely rugged.

>>28338152
Not litecoin i mistyped it first, liVecoin - a small cex that got hacked and closed in the end.


This guy also likes to ip hop and posting photoshops of team being indians or fake discord screenshots saying team is planning to rug any second. 90% chance this guy is going that right now.

In a nutshell this project is cross chain dex with a working product currently in the closed beta with a bunch of functions other devs only planning to make.

>>28338526
Yeah, I went on there once and left quickly.
I love how I'm a tranny for asking questions about something that seems interesting.

>>28338763
Yeah, maybe sticking with Rubic is the best option.
Any thread I've ever seen about this project turns in to a shit fest within literal minutes.

>>28338810
Yeah, maybe

>>28339223
>In a nutshell this project is cross chain dex with a working product currently in the closed beta with a bunch of functions other devs only planning to make.
>working product
>in the closed beta
Huh?
>a bunch of functions other devs only planning to make.
Like what?

Can everyone stop being autistic for a few minutes?
I get that you're fucking smarter than me, but I'm just trying to buy this shit if it's really moon worthy like some of you retards say.
God this place is hard to make heads or tails of sometimes.

Fudding to buy back sub 10¢
Piece of Shit Wallet Dash Fork Scam do not buy fucking niggers

>>28339584
I'm not a technical guru myself so i cannot give you a proper response but for example you can stake you coins from a xsn wallet without locking them in the pool or watchtower functionality.

>The watchtower functionality is a mechanism for connecting to another friendly node, which monitors your lightning channels for you and prevents a dishonest counterparty from stealing your funds, even when you are offline.


The most promising part right now is a deal with bitfinex ( a company that prints usdt) to connect its liquidity pool to xsn dex. Each masternode owner will get an insane money returns if that happen.

>>28335995
its a dex with btc/any erc20 trading pair, plus cardano and monero in the future. what is so hard about that

>>28340447
See, now you're dong the opposite of the DASH FORK SCAM guys.
I don't know what any of that means and I don't know how anyone dumber or less lucky than I am will ever be able to put it together.

>you can stake you coins from a xsn wallet without locking them in the pool or watchtower functionality.
This doesn't make any sense.
On something like balancer or uniswap, you can do the same thing, but somehow they found out a way to do it without relinquishing custody of your coins?
I dunno. Smells like bullshit. They can manage it when they aren't even work $100mil, but somehow a billion dollar project just can't manage?

>The most promising part right now is a deal with bitfinex ( a company that prints usdt) to connect its liquidity pool to xsn dex. Each masternode owner will get an insane money returns if that happen.
There's that senseless hopium I was talking about...

>>28340692
There's always some fucking catch, anon.
How are they doing this but no one else can manage?
This is like convincing your friends you have a unicorn.

>>28340939
Xsn using its own chain that's why many thing are possible and fees are extremely low. The downside it what you have to download an xsn wallet and deposit coins to make any cross chain swaps.
They were first that's why they are ahead all other recently popped crosschain dexes are hoping to outrun them with bigger teams.

>>28341471
Why would I ever download some wallet when I can just put my shit in metamask and use foodswap™?
How are these guys "doing it first" when plenty of others have been at it way longer?
I've only been hearing about this thing for like a year at the most.

>>28341682
You cannot swap btc to eth or usdt on uni or any other swap, that's the point.

>>28341793
So what about loopring, OpenDEX, Rubic and all of these others that already do this?
Are we just pretending that they don't exist now?

>>28339584
>>28340939
You really seem like a total brainlet desu.

Stakenet is trying to create a dex that unlike Uniswap, allows you to trade ETH/BTC/LTC/ERC-20 and others chains instantly with real tokens with no kyc. Stakenet forked btc, dash, and peercoin to create their own chain that runs the masternode (MN) system. Also yes, this >>28340447 makes sense. Stakenet developed Trustless Proof of Stake (TPoS) and it already works for anyone who owns a MN. This way anybody that owns enough tokens for MN can just run the node off of a VPS and hold their tokens on their hard wallet. I believe that the MN holders currently get paid 9 xsn every 36 hours directly to their hard wallet addresses.

>>28341682
You will be able to use their api for high frequency bot trading and their normie website if you want something uniswap like. They will also be releasing a mobile/desktop wallet soon with the public release of the dex

>>28342024
They don't do btc, ltc, eth, erc-20, and evm chains all together. Stakenet will be the first dex to provide cex like quality trading.

>>28341471
downloading a Dex is not the same as downloading a wallet to do cross chain
hell you don't even need XSN to rent channels

>>28341682
XSN takes a different approach by telling the Lightning network to play nice with the connext network (Eth L2 aka Eth Lightning) and enables direct Real BTC to Real Eth swaps without wrapping or gas fees
there is a one time fee to move the Eth or BTC to the LN but once its there those fees are out

>>28342241
*cex quality like trading.

>>28342024
You'll also be doing all of this without any on-chain transactions fees and lets face it, gas fees on eth right now are ridiculous. So I don't know about you but I would fucking love to be able to trade my shitcoins without paying $50 gas fees.

>>28342024
ZKrollups are not true L2 and do not communicate with the LN in the same way

I really hope this coin takes off so I can make fun of fudders then never come back.

>>28342241
What's a evms?
Since when is "Trustless" PoS possible?
Why run a node on a VPS? Isn't that a security concern?
>You will be able to use their api for high frequency bot trading
How would I even do that?

Still feels too good to be true.

>>28342523
>hell you don't even need XSN to rent channels
>rent channels
What?

>>28342523
>there is a one time fee to move the Eth or BTC to the LN but once its there those fees are out
I KNEW there was a catch.
What, do you pay $1000 on every $100 transaction or something?

>>28342569
Didn't >>28342523 just explain how you DO ACTUALLY PAY FEES?
One of you has to be wrong here.

>>28342674
Well I guess I just don't understand the differences then.
What makes whatever they're doing so much worse?

>>28335995
>>28282210

Read this shit and stop asking stupid questions

>>28343402
That's nice and all, but I can never understand any of that shit.

>>28342939
Ill break this down
make 2 lines like this
-------------

-------------

now lets treat the bottom line as layer 1 aka the chain itself
Layer 2 as the top

Layer 1 is where all of the coins minus a few exceptions currently sit this is not LN or connext

to move these coins to the L2 network you need to pay a one time fee

the difference between Layer 2 and Layer 1 is absolutely massive to the point you can have infinite scalability and have much lower transaction fees (FUCKING GAS)

XSN is doing everything in a vastly superior way to Rubic or Loop by enabling the Connext network and the bitcoin lightning networks to talk to each other directly

This is the benefit

Loopring and Rubic are going to be doing a different type of "Layer 2" that isn't true layer 2 and will involve you paying stupid gas fees

DASH FORK

Devs exit scammed previous project

Now let me buy at 10c you motherfucking shills. Stop it

>>28343489
Because you don't care and don't want to understand it.. go back to your RBC threads

>>28343544
Dash is a old crypto that uses masternodes to process blocks vs mining fees
XSN uses a combinaton of Dash
BTC and another crypto to create this incredibly advanced network above the usual single chain setup that BTC uses and as a result allows you to make money multiple different ways with the Masternodes being the most lucrative

>>28336437
No they won't be able to do it soon lol, they have expressed no plans to even think about bitcoin

>>28343489
now did I lower it to brainlet levels for you so you can understand it? this dash fork shit is old and annoying because its just FUD by people that are trying to accumulate more

>>28343544
So, I pay the $100 once and then what? I just never get my coins back?...
It all of this is true, how in the hell isn't the price higher?

>>28343704
Maybe I should, anon.
Will anyone even buy something you have to have multiple degrees to understand?

>>28343783
Okay, that part is starting to make more sense, but why do you guys just screech DASH FORK SCAM over and over again like that means anything at all?

>>28344003
In the end their idea is to be a uniswap on lightning network with practiacally zero fees, being able to trade any coin you want. I cannot make it simpler than this.

>>28343489
if you're this dense to understand, you're probably too dense for cryto.

>>28344003
Fudders are the DASH FORK scammers to the point we isolated 1 of them and made a web page in his "Honor" as seen in this Link https://stakenetmasternodecalculator.web.app/labz

theres plans for layer 2 with the first Dapp (Decentralized application) being run on masternodes called the stakenet dex
its not live yet but the webms that have been posted are truly game changing
once stage 2 gets truly in place independent devs will be able to use the masternodes to host more than the dex

>>28342939
>What's a evms?
EVMs are ethereum virtual machines. Most people just recognize the names of the chains such as binance smartchain https://www.binance.org/en/smartChain, or thorchain https://thorchain.org/.. So Stakenet is basically allowing you to trade the tokens on those chain without any on-chain fees as well.

>Since when is "Trustless" PoS possible?
They are the creators of TPoS however I don't know when they released it. I'm sure you can find it with a couple google searches.

>Why run a node on a VPS? Isn't that a security concern?
Doesn't have to be. A VPS could mean a personal dedicated device that is connected on a separate network in your home for example. The reason why TPoS is needed is because regardless of where the MN is ran, for security and redundancy reasons the collateralized 15k tokens stay on wallets(like hard wallets) outside of the actual host devices(VPS).

>Still feels too good to be true.
It's not, but this mentality is exactly why most people will miss XSN and make tiny gains with RBC. If XSN released today they'd be able to accomplish almost exactly the same thing as RBC. The reason they are taking longer if because of real BTC pair integration through their use of the lightning network.

>>28344003
>Maybe I should, anon.
>Will anyone even buy something you have to have multiple degrees to understand?
For fuck sake anon it doesn't matter if people don't buy. Once the dex releases people will use it because fuck gas fees and fuck exchanges asking for personal info.

>>28344003
Someone demo'd it earlier/yesterday, it was about $6 to move ETH onto L2, after which, 0 gas for as many trades as you want.

>>28344412
Additionally the coins that have been moved to L2 stay in your wallet for as long as they are on L2 or if you decide to move them back to L1 that is an option the downside being more L1 Fees

>>28335995
Best decision I ever made was not listening to the discord and selling a masternode for RBC. Anyone who got in at less than $0.20 should have already broken a MN or two for shitcoins when it was obvious xsn was going to crab. Could have doubled your mn stack at least

STOP SHILLING IT'S A SCAM COIN!!!

drop to 10c pls, in fact 20c will do

>>28344003
last thing I will say is even if you only hold a baglet you can still increase your bag with it
The wallet (cloud wallet or core wallet) has staking features built in
The Masternodes require a stack of 15000 with 150 in the cloud for MNaaS (Masternodes as a Service) or a VPS to host it and generate about 5 XSN a day
the Masternodes also take dex fees from trades
TPOS is trustless proof of stake and allows you to pool with merchants while your device is offline for a set % without even keeping the wallet active and cold staking is a WIP

>>28344541
Maybe this just isn't processing.
So, you pay $6 to move some ETH over to L2 (layer 2?)... forever?

>>28344566
So why even use ETH or BTC any more at that point?

Doesn't this just obsolete BTC and ETH?

>>28344657
Maybe that's the real move after all, if the moonbois aren't just in over their heads.

>>28345085
>The Masternodes require a stack of 15000
fucking 15k?
I'm already priced out then.
So was this just all a big waste of time?

>>28345199
yea

>>28345110
it obliterates them both
Inside of the discord we view BTC as #1 XSN as #2 and Eth as #3 because of the hosting stuff you can do with the MNs

>>28345110
If you want that. ETH and BTC are moving towards operating more and more on L2, but you can move it off L2 whenever you like.
>>28345199
>I'm not going to buy ETH because I can't afford 32ETH for a validator

>>28345199
get a bag and stake it. or try to trade your way to a MN either way the dex is going live once the closed testing is done and we will moon with or without you. There is NO downside to XSN other than the dash fud because fucking dumbasses want to accumulate

>>28345199
the value of masternodes are about to moon, which will cause the xsn token to moon. Worth a buy no matter how small

>>28345264
God why don't they lower it?
15g is a ton of money for literally anyone that isn't some mega rich bitch.

>>28345301
It feels like you're both propping up a failing platform and murdering it all in one blow.
I'm so confused.

>>28345404
dude, 15k USD is a huge amount for anyone to just dump on anything
It feels like it's ALREADY to late

>>28345427
Is that really even a FUD though if what you're saying is right?
Aren't they just explaining what it is?...

>>28345199
Any more questions?
this is a breakdown rarely seen on /biz/ and its undervalued as FUCK because of it
the DEX alone is targeting binance as a competitor not uni or these bullshit food swaps with $100 in fees

>>28345844
What I am saying is you are shooting yourself in the foot if the only reason you aren't buying is you can't afford an MN. Right now staking is roughly the same %RoI as MN block rewards.
I was making the ETH comparison because clearly there's potential profit to be made on the value of the coin rising.

>>28345844
15k XSN not USD which at the current cost is only like 5k usd

second BTC has the first mover advantage and always will especially with tesla buying fucking 1.5B worth of BTC

XSN isn't murdering ETH in a way you would think its making a stronger connection with less fees via L2

Technically its right but the dash stuff has had a ton of modifications including being actually useful for something

The discord has less tolerance than you would expect for FUD shit

>>28345894
At this point I think I'm more confused. It sort of feels like there's merit to this, but I just don't understand how anyone will buy this if it's so complex.
Besides, you have to put up 15k just to buy in to the node thing that lets you do layer 2 stuff anyway.
like, why make it so you have to pay FUCKING 15K JUST TO USE THE DEX?

>>28346272
You can use it with 0 XSN. You do not need to own even 0.1XSN to use the DEX.

>>28335995
>NEW: updated masternode fee structure
https://medium.com/stakenet/hydra-dex-network-upgrade-proposal-4b00a3a3fb8

>NEW: Fresh and Quality Breakdown of StakeNet for noobs and veterans alike, good read
https://np.reddit.com/r/SatoshiStreetBets/comments/l8joip/moonshot_stakenetxsn_a_dex_with_interchain/

>>28346272
you need 0 XSN to use the DEX
The DEX is kind of a entry way into the XSN ecosystem and makes more sense if you view it as independent of it aside from the fact it is hosted by decentralized nodes and is a downloaded application

>>28346272
are you an actual brainlet. Everybody can use the DEX and trade XSN/BTC/LTC/ETH/ERC-20 with almost 0 fees and instant trades.
Only some fees to get your funds to L2.

>>28346272
What? Anyone can use the DEX and provide liquidity to it. But to HOST the DEX orderbook you need to own a masternode

>>28346231
I'm pretty sure you guys just said you have to pay 15k just to use the DEX.
Still, 5k is a lot. Now I just have no idea which number that is. That's a lot either way.
Still, the discord guys seem kinda racist, anon.

I went in there once and they kept talking about "bikes" when they meant jewish people, I think.

>>28346272
Right so the plan is once the DEX is released to soon migrate it so it runs off a bunch of these Mastenodes.
The Masternodes run the network and collect a fee for that service.
>>28346570
retarded larp, awful fud

>>28346429
Dude, that's so fucking much to read.

>>28346421
>>28346455
>>28346466
>>28346475
Did you guys not just say you have to have the 5k or 15k or whatever to use the DEX?...
>provide liquidity to it
Wait, like uniswap? That is sort of interesting. But, if you really do already have to pay like 5k or 15k just to use it, paying more on top of that to do the pool thing seems like an incredible amount of money just to make money with this.

>>28346570
no that was a legit bike convo
ill clarify
Masternodes (Host the dex from the backend non user facing) run the orderbooks and transactions require 15k XSN to serve as collateral that is it. Masternodes as a service costs 15 cents a day to run from the cloud and has a special process to setup
after that it generates 9 XSN on a near daily basis

MNaaS takes its payment directly in the form of XSN from the cloud wallet
You are confusing the DEX and Masternodes

>>28346429
Thanks for this

>>28346787
You actually have to donate one kidney and 10k USD in Bazingacoin to use the dex.

>>28346917
jesus
So, you pay 15k XSN, not dollars, to get one of thenodes
then you run the DEX on the node and trade there?
Okay maybe it's not as bad as I thought then.
Tell me more about the liquid providing thing then. How do you do that? Do you have a node for that too?

>>28346917
The DEX are not the masternodes
the DEX is a downloaded application that enables ERC-20 to BTC swaps SEAMLESSLY
without the funds ever leaving the lite wallet built into it

The Masternodes host the DEX from the backend and the 15k XSN serves as collateral
for the dex. A normal dex user does not need a Masternode unless they want to get dex fees paid out to them at a very high rate (Masternodes go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)

Liquidity providers is a bit of a weird situation atm
I believe it requires a MN as well but am not super sure atm

>>28345844
$55.7k (eth) vs $6k (xsn). 6k isn't a lot, that's like two to three weeks worth of salary.

>>28346787
Stop writing for a second and read this:
You do not need to own XSN to use the DEX. When it releases you can download it and use it without buying a single XSN.
If you want to make some more return out of your money with XSN you could buy ANY amount and stake it, and/or you could run a masternode, and/or when the dex reaches a final product, you could provide liquidity to trading pairs.
You have so many options to benefit from this ecosystem, the only with a barrier to entry technically is the masternode.

>>28347171
for example if you decided to trade using the dex and did not have a masternode I would get .25% of your Fee provided my masternode ran the transaction paid out to me by market buying XSN automatically

>>28346787
>>28347171
No, the dex is free for anyone. The dex runs on a network of masternodes. That way there isn't any 1 point that can be hit and shut down access to trading. Basically everyone here is just explaining how if you help run the exchange for everyone else by buying 15k xsn and running a masternodes you can earn rewards.

>>28347171
I have now explained almost every single aspect of XSN to you in the best way I could
If you are still stupid confused XSN is not the coin for you because it is breaking ground on killing CEXs and eth as a whole simultaniously

>>28347331
You'd have to buy one for the dex and the liquidity pool thing?...

>>28347364
Yeah, no big deal. just don't pay rent or eat anything for a month
Great advice, anon.

>>28347380
but didn't we just say you have to have two node things to host the dex and provide liquidity?

>>28347454
0.25%? That's super small
What happens to the rest?

>>28347609
Okay okay I think I might be starting to get it.
Didn't that livecon place have a hack though?
Where do I buy it now? Maybe it's worth a small bag if you can do all of this shit with it.

>>28347764
But what about everyone that'd dumber than me, anon? They're just fucked?

>>28347331
For providing orderbook (trade) liquidity, you do NOT need a node. To provide channel liquidity (so people can rent L2 channels without the coin in their wallet) you do need a MN.

>>28347840
one MN can do multiple things it depends on how powerful the VPS is

FOR THE LAST TIME
UNLESS YOU WANT TO EARN FEES FROM THE DEX YOU DO NOT NEED TO OWN ONE
IT IS A DECENTRALIZED APPLICATION YOU DOWNLOAD

>>28347982
thank you Anon LP has been something I was not really interested in to begin with

>>28347982
So what's to stop people from buying all of the nodes and not letting anyone else use it or whatever?

>>28348016
Maybe you guys just aren't being clear enough...

>>28347982
This is the uniswap pool kind of thing we talked about earlier (if I got that right)?

also that .25% is the fee you pay when you trade
10% of said fee gets burned and the rest goes to the Masternode that processed the transaction

>>28347840
>Yeah, no big deal. just don't pay rent or eat anything for a month
What? How old are you, don't you have any savings?

>Great advice, anon.
Yeah, for adults, that is.

>>28347840
Good to hear you're getting it fren. Currently you can get it on bitfinex and whitbit. Whitebit has no kyc and a 2 btc withdrawal limit. Idk about Bitfinex.

>0.25%? That's super small
What happens to the rest?
Because Stakenet connects to exchanges it doesn't really have to have higher fees to all you pay is 0.25%. 45% of that is what is paid to the masternodes. Currently there is about 2800 masternodes so I'll give you an example reward scenario. With lets say 1/10th of Uniswaps volume, and a price of $.41/XSN. You'd get about $90/day per node you own.

>>28348146
it has also been stated multiple times you do not need a masternode to use the DEX

>>28348312
90 per day?
That's actually not bad.
No KYC on both?

>>28348311
Anon, this isn't feasible. Are you serious?
Not everyone is some fucking boomer with deep pockets, faggot

>>28348450
Okay, but not the dex then.
Wouldn't someone just be able to get all of the rewards and shit and not let others have them?

>>28348237
My god. Forget UNISWAP and think of the Stakenet DEX like your normal orderbook exchange.

Everybody can put liquidity on the orderbook via limit orders, or by using market making bots (big players).

However, to trade on this DEX your funds need to be moved to layer 2.

1. Lets say I have 1 ETH I want to trade for BTC.
2. I open a ETH L2 channel by paying a small fee, I pay for this myself
3. To open a BTC L2 channel, I need BTC, but I have none
4. SO I rent an L2 channel from a DEX HUB, which is a masternode providing this liquidity.
5. The HUB gets paid and I have my channel.
6. I can now trade ETH/BTC instantly, feeless for however long I want until I close these channels.

>>28348560
here play around with the Masternode calculator to figure out what a MN will net you if choose to host one.

>>28348652
Thats a impossible scenario because so much of the available XSN is locked up in said Nodes and Staking

>>28348560
>6k
>boomer with deep pockets

>>28348652
this is literally the golden goose it sounds like
https://stakenetmasternodecalculator.web.app/

>>28348560
No kyc on both and anon most people on this board have made at least a few grand trading shitcoins that have 20x'd or 30x'd. I personally just toss $200 here and there at shitcoins and actually had my most recent winner profit $4k.

>>28348652
>>28348780
What this anon said, the network is already too decentralized for someone to just swoop in and convince every MN owner to sell to them.

>>28348652
I hope you notice once I started dropping real info the fudders shat the fuck up

>>28348678
Okay... that's pretty big.
So, no more fees ever until you pay another $6 to get them back?
I still think that sounds too good to be true... but okay.
So there's no uniswap like pools going on at all?

>>28349092
no uniswap pools period

>>28348780
>here play around with the Masternode calculator to figure out what a MN will net you if choose to host one.
What?

How is it impossible? Can't you just buy a lot more than everyone else if you have more money than them?

>>28348829
Well fuck dude sorry I'm poor.

>>28348880
What the shit am I looking at here? Is this what you mean from >>28348780?

>>28348895
I guess I'm not that lucky. Hopefully I'll do good with DOGE and LINK.
>the network is already too decentralized for someone to just swoop in and convince every MN owner to sell to them.
Why? Why not just go buy a million nodes?

>>28349018
I guess that's sort of a good point.
No more dash fork shit, whatever that even means.

>>28349296
Then what do you mean by providing liquidity? I thought that's what that meant.

>>28349092
XSN is the first of its kind and its going to beat the shit out of rubic
we have video proof of BTC being changed to USDT in second without and slippage on the Closed Dex BETA via simple swap over L2

>>28349413
Yes the Link was in the second post forgot to paste it

>>28349092
>[...] until you pay another $6 to get them back
Whilst I know what you mean I'm going to be pedantic for others reading:
You do not have to pay to get your funds back in the sense that you have full custody of your funds at all times. You are paying to move your funds from L2 to L1.
>>28349413
There are simply not that many nodes on sale. The volume of trading for this coin is low because very few want to sell and at the moment it's not very known.

kek the numbers on that site seem ridiculous
This isn't just another moonboi stunt?

>>28349495
I don't plan on doing LP so not really a question I can answer (4 MN CHAD)
The stakies are not there to buy for a majority stake in the network

>>28349640
they are real numbers
Since you are a brainlet and cannot really understand how the MNs work
The more volume on the dex the more the MNs go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
the more rockets that hold little stakie bags go up to jupiter bypassing the moon entirely

>>28349620
>You do not have to pay to get your funds back in the sense that you have full custody of your funds at all times. You are paying to move your funds from L2 to L1.
I'm not following.
They're your keys or they aren't?

>>28348880
I like these
https://stakenetmasternodecalculator.web.app/wage
https://stakenetmasternodecalculator.web.app/labz

>>28349413
>How is it impossible? Can't you just buy a lot more than everyone else if you have more money than them?
Yes but you can't force others to stop hosting the dex themselves or to sell to you.

>What the shit am I looking at here? Is this what you mean from
Those are the rewards you'd earn if you own a MN.

>Why? Why not just go buy a million nodes?
The only thing that would be doing is helping the network. IF you mean what is stopping someone from doing that and making a fuck ton of money that nothing. Someone can swoop in and start racking millions a week with 50 MNs.

>>28349640
>kek the numbers on that site seem ridiculous
This isn't just another moonboi stunt?
No check out their medium post https://medium.com/stakenet/hydra-dex-network-upgrade-proposal-4b00a3a3fb8.. Just scroll down till you see the rewards estimate post.

The main reason no one has gone through the trouble of making such a revolutionary dex is because it would have to be hosted on masternodes. Meaning that the main dev team wouldn't really profit shit.

>>28349828
>> you are paying to move your coins from the L1 wallet to the L2 wallet built into the dex

Your keys your funds at all times including during the swaps

>>28349640
This is the real deal if I've ever seen it.
>>28349828
They are your keys. Your crypto.
If you are interested in learning more about how L2 for ETH works in the Stakenet ecosystem try having a look at how state channels work, or researching Connext.
For BTC, have a look at the Lightning Network.

>>28349828
either you buy a bag or not either way you will end up using our DEX

Hmm alright I might try to buy a few hundred or something.
Is there a telegram or something else I can be on to ask more questions if I have them?

>>28350215
just join the discord

>>28350215
Stakenet.io, head down to the bottom of the page and join the telegram and/or the discord. There are always people willing to chat on there.

>>28350215
just please do not ask tard questions like you were in this thread

>>28350215

>>28350298
>>28350384
Jesus everyone just calls each other Jewish there
I might try the Telegram

>>28350504
Yeah telegram might be better.

>>28350504
I have been in the discord for months and there is very rarely any kinds of comments like that aside from the dedicated biz channel

>>28350442
HOOOODRA

>>28350604
Based image

>>28350504
I've never seen anything of that kind having been in that server for nearly a year, apart from in the off topic channel (worthless discussion) and the biz channel (which is hardly surprising given what people tend to post on this Mongolian throat singing forum).

>>28350917
>>28350616
I'm pretty sure I went there once and everyone just kept talking about noses and bikes and shit like they weren't talking about jewish people.

>>28351117
again that was an actual nose and bike discussion
it can get weird

>>28351475
Yeah, sure.
Maybe I'll give it a try again one day after I figure out how I'm going to buy.
I don't like the idea of leaving my funds on an exchange. Does it do ledger and trezor and stuff?

>>28350215
kek all of this discussion for a few hundred coins worth about $100

>>28351719
yes but just stick it in the core wallet with encryption
exchanges are whitebit and bitfinex

>>28335995
Undercover shill thread. It's a DASH fork and you know it.

>>28352159
LITERALLY GO READ THE THREAD FUCKO WE WENT OVER YOUR SHITTY FUD AN HOUR AGO

>>28352042
Fuck you, anon. At least I'm trying to not be retarded.

>>28352138
The core wallet? Is that different than the lite wallet thing you mentioned before?

>>28352365
3 different wallets
the Dex lite wallet you can use when the dex goes live
the core wallet where MNs are hosted and funds can be encrypted and stored
the cloud wallet at cloud.stakenet.io
then trezor is also an option

>mfw this thread is all just an elaborate LARP to get newfags to pump oldfag bags

>>28352627
Fuck you, anon. Why can I not try to figure this out with you assholes accusing me of shit?

>>28352159
OH ITS FUCKING YOU LABZ
FUCK OUTTA THIS THREAD

>>28340939
The catch is that XSN has been working on this for the last three years, while other dexes are just now realising that L2 and interoperability is needed.

>>28352720
because the fudders are also accumulating literally
think about it
how much fud do you see about XSN vs How much shilling

>>28352720
>immediately replies
Hook, line and sinker.
You just proved my point.

>>28341682
Would you rather pay $50+ for a single trade or $5 once to move funds to L2 and trade as many times as you want for free?

>>28352877
there is a discussion in the discord about this thread..... its not pretty and a lot of the oldfags are shaking their heads at the failure to grasp some of these concepts

>>28352877
we are actually saving it as a way to inform new people

>>28352877
Or maybe, just maybe, I've been sitting here and trying to figure this out for an hour.
I'm starting to think guys like you are just trying to fill bags like >>28352808 is saying.

>>28353187
thats exactly what they are doing
once again XSN is the golden goose
this entire thread has been saved in the discord biz channel because every question you could ever ask has been explained like you drool if its any consolation

>>28353187
If I were you I would go all in on XSN
Fuck rubic
fuck loopring
fuck 1inch
fuck everything else
a single masternode will be a never work again stack that will allow you to live off of passive income

>>28352244
What's FUD? It's a DASH fork. What did you go over? Do you understand how lightning works? LOL?

If I use Bitcoin lightning, I don't use XSN shitcoin to validate transactions. It's impossible. It has no value. The only value would be is if you were to use XSN for transfers or routing between nodes, but who the fuck would do that? It's worthless and there are no applications.

It's a scam. Fuck off.

>>28335995
>I've been here for a year but I'm still a fucking newfag retard
Ngmi

>>28353187 As you can see with this shit here
>>28353584
is why https://stakenetmasternodecalculator.web.app/labz exists

>>28353187
I don't have a bag and for now, don't intend to. I have yet to be convinced. I see the SAME shills and FUD here everyday shitting up this board with XSN threads. There is NOTHING new, EVER, in any of these discussions.

I've done plenty of research on this coin. I understand the theoretical points all fine and dandy. In theory, it's fucking amazing - but there's a problem that shills refuse to address, because unfortunately, there is no easy answer. XSN is not the only project working on a L2 solution for chain interoperability. In fact, there's probably ten of them within the top 30. Ten projects with more funding, larger communities, more accomplished developers, larger development teams, institutional backing, etc. Working to solve the same problem. Chain interoperability. Fuck "muh DEX", "muh masternode". A DEX can be stood up in weeks as long as the interoperability is scalable and efficient. Not only that, but the 0.25% "masternode fee" can be completely blown out of the water by an actual scalable, efficient interoperability layer. Try 0.05% and less.

Yes, it has potential, but to pretend it is "years ahead" or "the one" is beyond delusional.

>>28353187
Anon you have to realize, that whenever you see more than 5 threads for a single coin in the catalogue, those threads are being made by people who are PAID to make threads on this board. People are PAID to make threads, PAID to make memes for whatever coin it is, and they pay normies and youtubers to post about that shit online. There are government agencies that literally PAY people to shitpost on 4chan to spread false narratives and mislead people, just the same as Facebook is PAID to censor posts and harvest your data for companies that target people on the internet.

The amount of people on the internet that are looking out for your best interest are few and far in between. Make of that what you will

>>28353801
shoo shoo back to the lab with you labz

>>28353801
END thread. Commence personal attacks against the person who just owned all the idiotic shills here and their heavy bags.

>>28353995
This absolute schizo, XRP bagholder tier response

>>28354182
so how many masternodes are you running labz?
I got word from one of the closed beta boys it does run like in the webms

>>28353801
So why haven't they done it, anon?

>>28353917
Isn't the reverse true then too?...

>>28354494
ignore labz
his fud has been debunked time and time and time again and im not in the mood to debunk it again

>>28354182
These fucking weirdos are on every thread shouting lbaz. They don't know how to deal with reality. They really do sound schizophrenic in creating a character to blame all their shortcomings on instead of facing the truth.

>>28354494
>Isn't the reverse true then too?...
Yes. I only found out about XSN through this website and many others would never have been exposed to it either, but since then we've only had shitty FUD threads for the most part. You have to draw your own conclusions

>>28354732
Mate if you don't care about the project why would right a fucking dissertation about it, just ignore and move on. Honestly you sound like you had XSN bags and sold them on the cheap and are FUDing to make yourself feel better.

>>28354883
Considering a few people took the time to explain intricacies, but all brainlets can do is DASH FORK SCAM over and over and call each other schizos, I'm going to guess a little more integrity lies within the crowd willing to help people that aren't sure about what they're doing.
Thanks for your concern though, moran.

>>28355054
I agree. They're sounding increasingly suspicious and /biz/ has a weird habbit of convincing people are schizos like with LINK and the XRP shit was clearly never organic.

>>28355054
What fucking disseration? Did you tag the wrong person? Fuck off with your DASH FORK scam, shit bag. Go cry on someone else's shoulder.

>>28355193
either go all in on XSN and moon with the rest the MN owners and stakers or don't and feel sad down the line i said it before but I own 4 MNs and am ready for this to blast off harder than link ever did and the Dash fork scam shit is so wrong its not even funny
its like 1/4th dash at best

>>28355193
Lol. Cope shill. It's a DASH fork. Those are the facts. Now fuck off with your scam, you piece of shit. Lol.

>>28354494
Because there is a tradeoff between scalable, fast and efficient, and secure/decentralized. Security always implies overhead and inefficiency added to a process. Decentralization is difficult to balance with economy of scale. Hence why, when TCP/IP protocols were developed, a desire to maximize scalability and efficiency required sacrificing the implementation of a native security layer in the TCP/IP stack. Security is provided in that context via gateway endpoints, so it's optional and configurable.

With blockchains, security must be built into the protocol to maintain network integrity. It has to be omnipresent across the entire network (consensus mechanism) which adds a lot of overhead. Designing a protocol that is highly secure, decentralized, scalable and efficient is fucking difficult because any technical benefit gained in one category creates a potential loss in another. It's like trying to unite general relativity with quantum mechanics in physics. You need to do a lot of research on issues with lightning network and various other consensus protocol implementations and how these tradeoffs come about and what potential solutions may look like. Then using that knowledge, decide for yourself if XYZ token's technical solution may be the one that cracks the code.

>>28355345
Okay, you're clearly hoping IPs.

>>28355545
You're free to believe whatever you want. Afterall, you did buy this bullshit. You gotta create fantasies in your mind so you can sleep at night.

>>28355537
Cool bro now shill the coin that will solve this problem or fuck off

>>28355537
unironically XSN

>>28355479
You cannot explain adequately what that even means or why it's important beyond "this is what it is". That's not FUD, you're just explaining it, you brainlet.

>>28355835
Then you resort again to gaslighting.
I think the solution is clear, buy some XSN and watch you squirm some more.
Should I market buy this time?

>>28345301
>Inside of the discord we view BTC as #1 XSN as #2 and Eth as #3
No we don't faggot. Link rank 1 xsn rank 2

>>28355537
stop thinking about centralized networks dumbass
unless you have experience fixing fucking outages or network wide programs fuck off

>>28355982
This is the way
>>28356073
Good point where does Iota sit then?

>>28355982
Man, shut the fuck up. I don't gotta explain why some UTXO can't run smart contract shitchain that got replaced by account based chains is a limited piece of shit to some emotional shill. If you want to have a conversation, answer this simple question. If I use BTC lightning, what the fuck do I need to use XSN for? Is it used in a BTC lightning transaction. Uh, no. Right, so go fuck yourself, ya emotional ass BITCH. LOL.

>>28356374
you don't use XSN in a lightning transaction you delusional faggot thats not what the coin is for

>>28356487
This fucking idiot doesn't even understand his own tech. LOL. What would you expect though?

You realize that with stakenet UTXO shitchain, you can run a stakenet shitchain lightning node, right? In that case, you would use stakenet shitcoin to make transactions.

How the fuck do you not know this? LOL.

>>28356374
You seem upset, buddy.
If I buy more, will that help your tummy ache?

>>28353801
Bad fud, ngmi.

>>28356684
XSN is how the MN owners get paid dumbass
why would I want my payment coin to be used for a transaction on Lightning when my Masternode is providing a service by hosting the dex

>>28356729
Weren't you the guy that was just imagining that I was someone else? Lol.

You are something else, PAL. Lol.

>>28357003
What?...
Maybe you're the crazy one after all.

Did I fucking call this here? >>28338152
>This seems schizo tier, but okay, anon...
Is this you?
Are you they guy they're talking about?

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Get btfo, faggot

>>28356963
Lol. How fucking dumb are you? So you're fucking XSN shitchain masternode that doesn't have a collateralized BTC node is somehow hosting the DEX? What the fuck are you talking about? Is this really the type of shit you believe? LOL.

>>28356171
>Iota
Dont know don't care. I only need link linkpool and stakenet.

>>28357110
What a reject, lol, thinking I actually read this clickbait shill thread. You think too highly of yourself. Nobody gives a fuck about you or this DASH fork piece of shit. You got that, PAL?

>>28357220
sure labz #2 sure.... just keep pretending XSN is a giga scam and that you are not fudding so you can accumulate more

>>28357326
>55 posts by this ID
>>28355982
>41 posts by this ID
Yeah this is definitely organic shilling
Still no proper consideration for viable competitors like DOT, ADA, ATOM, etc., "muh no competitors".
Not only does your project unfortunately suck by comparison, so does your ability to shill a fucking shitcoin. I'll stick to top 50 and actually get gains, thanks. inb4 midwit level FUD of literal bluechip tier coins...

>>28358322
Boy you sure seem upset that we would dare to talk about this project.
Most people would just ignore this post if it's filled with nonsense.
But you, you seem awfully dedicated to me not considering buying it.

Why might that be?

>>28346429
Vortex goes succi succi

>>28357130
>So you're fucking XSN shitchain masternode that doesn't have a collateralized BTC node is somehow hosting the DEX? What the fuck are you talking about? Is this really the type of shit you believe? LOL.
Pic related faggot.

>>28358592
kek, yeah that's Labz.

>>28356374
>>28356684
Since you're that faggot that pretends to know what he's talking about but is actually a retard.

>There is no "separate xsn Lightning chain"
>You don't have to trust a third party
>You will earn a lot of the fees as a Hub (45-65%)
>Every stakenet light wallet is a Lightning node - for BTC, XSN and LTC and every other lightning compatible coin we will add.
>A person who runs a BTC node could only provide BTC orderbook liquidity - that's all.
>And the incentive of running a stakenet hub and earning by this from the trading fees in comparison to only being a routing Lightning node might be x100 or more I guess.

>>28346429
This is all the info you need

>>28358592
I don't care if you buy it or not. That's your decision to make, not mine. I simply want the truth on the real value of any given project. I do not get married to projects. I bring up a point that has yet to be addressed with competitors who are also developing chain interoperability solutions with much, much greater resources available - and all that happens is attempted sweeping under the rug, reverse psychology marketing and further shilling. Like a used car salesman trying to tell me not to pay attention to the rust on the engine. No logical response. No consideration of potential fail points. Only moonboi dreams and shilling... very dissapointing in comparison to LINK back in the day which produced very vibrant discussion as to potential pitfalls, and solutions.

xsn doo doo caca

>>28355193
What is a moran and why have people been saying it recently?

>>28359943
Recently?...
Did you just discover the internet?

Unleash the xsn memes now

>>28360241
Go buy off whitebit or bitfinex if you havent already
It will piss off labz and change over your erc shitcoins as well

>>28360241
lmao no. I've been holding this dash fork for 8 months I wasn't trying to fud, just explaining the shill vs. fud dynamic like you were asking

>>28357110
Gotta admit we told you there was a guy and you doubted us

>>28360652
This is how we tell you're new.

>>28360947
I guess you were right.
The fact that he showed up and started calling people schizos made it funnier.

>>28361388
Yeah I've been a newfag for over a decade. I'd try to pull the trigger on this sooner rather than later. Peace

>>28359573
Based fudder btfo

>>28360241

Which kind of woman could I get if I own 4 MN? I have 4 masternodes btw.

>>28363041
Yes

>>28362642
Well, I think this was at least semi helpful.

Here is everyone in April using the dex

>>28336437
ETH to BTC is on the table, ignore the other anon, it's coming soon
Rubic will be a one-stop-shop for the best rates, gas prices, and cross-chains available

>>28365204
>ETH to BTC is on the table, ignore the other anon
How and with what masternode system?

>>28335995
rolling for LabZ

>>28365204
It's not like Rubic will be capable of the type of rewards masternodes offer. pic related.

>>28365204
Yeah, I'm not sold on the subpar rewards (compared to XSN).
I'll take the taking a few years to get a node thing over Rubic's single pump and meager rewards.

>>28363700
Agreed, this thread was chill.

>>28365566
>>28365407

rubic isn't designed for rewarding node operators, it's designed as a dex, not a staking environment or a wallet

>>28365771
Yeah, you're right.
Good point.
Thanks for making this easier.

>>28365915
the idea of having node operators be rewarded for swaps seems like a great idea, and it would help to distribute the load of the network, but at the same time, it also leads to the exact same issue we have now on the main ETH chain.
The difference, imo, between XSN and RBC is that RBC isn't reinventing the wheel. XSN is creating proprietary nodes, proprietary lightning algorithms for L2, everything has to be new, nothing borrowed besides the DASH foundation. Rubic, on the other hand, is integrating existing technologies and improving off of them, such as using 1inch for aggregation and the Binance Panama Bridge to enable BSC-ETH cross chain. In this way, I think Rubic will succeed before XSN simply because Rubic has less of a mountain to climb, metaphorically.

Full disclosure, I did some research into XSN back in january when I bought rubic, and I did consider it, but ultimately decided not to go with it. The fact that XSN is stagnating whilst whales dump hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of ETH into Rubic is all the proof you need of which coin is favored.

>>28366285
How does RBC make trades from ETH to BTC?

>>28365204
>Rubic
Kys pajeeta

>>28366706
It cant. It's a pajeet scam coin. Clains they will do it in the future. All these other projects are years behind stakenet.