/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>26982780
yes

>>26982780
>Should short-selling be illegal?
Everything except stocks,index funds and dividends should be illegal

Why?

>>26982780
short-selling in and of itself is fine. There needs to be a balance to longs, and there needs to be an incentive for people to investigate investments to see whether they're actually dogshit or not. Shorts, overall, actually help decrease volatility. Without them you'd see far more runaway pump and dumps.

the problem here with things like GME is
1) naked shorting and hedge fund kikes being allowed to short something for more than the available shares
2) hedge fund kikes being allowed to assume infinite risk without getting liquidated. Imagine margin trading on binance but you don't have to worry about liquidation levels ever. Instead you just get to say "lmao put it on my tab" for billions of dollars you don't even have
3) the ensuing moral hazard of the above, because they know that their kike buddies in government will bail them out if they fuck up too badly

Trading all derivatives should be illegal.

i don't think shorting should be illegal, but I do think you should only be able to short the available amount of shares. None of this 15x short ratio bs.

>>26982780
no, but likewise no one is eligible for gibs just because they got fucked in a short squeeze.

Should bank loans be illegal?

>>26983631
This

>>26982780
No way. It's actually a valuable method of reducing froth in markets and identifying fraudulent companies.

>>26983472
This doesn't answer the question.

>>26983882
Yes, they used to be.

>>26983631

Based.

Absolutely not
But short seller bears don't get to cry when they get squeezed.

>>26983882
>Should bank loans be illegal?
Probably.

>>26983631
High IQ post. Hedgefunds have turned short sales into a weapon with which they beat stocks into the dirt.

>>26983882
Usury should be illegal, yes.

>>26982780
No
Giving someone an alternative incentive other than hyping up a stock is important.

>>26983663
As opposed to gibs? Supply and demand are basics functions of a society. Trading is trading. No matter what the goods and services are, it's all a gamble.

>>26984053
This. Keep it legal so we can rape them the next time they try something like this

>>26983631
Good post

>>26983882
yes

>>26982780
nah

>>26982780
No, market manipulation by sorting the way they did should be illegal. Colluding to halt trading to force prices down so they don’t face the risks of shorting should be illegal

>>26982780
No, short selling over 100% of stocks should, but not the act of short selling itself. It's just fucking dumb.

Selling stuff you borrowed would get you beaten up irl

Ban shorts, mandatory hold for 1 day on buy.

>>26982780
All derivatives are pretty much rigged betting.

>>26982780
DISCUSSING short-selling on social media should be illegal to prevent anything like this from ever happening again!

>>26982780
why?

>>26982780
Nope it's totally kosher

>>26983631
i don't see any problem with any of what happened.
they took unreasonable risk and they got punished by the market.

end of story.

>>26983882
Where we're going we don't need banks

>>26984738
also the people hat yoloed in after the first pump also took unreasonable risks and got punished by the market. there is no problem there either. it's all fair game imo.

the platforms halting trading is unfortunate. but they have regulatory requirements about margins and reserves which can get compromised in a runaway market situation.

let's hope they re-enable the green button. and let's hope gme won't dilute it's stocks to let hedge funds buy them up for the penny.

>>26984707
Illegal in Israel.

>>26982780
Not if the share being loaned out exists and its loaned with the full knowledege of the actual owner, not through an institution that manages them for him, it has to be opt-in and you should be allowed to filter which institutions can loan your shares, you should be notified when and who loans a share you own. And only to the point every share loaned out can realistically be paid back (under 25-50% of the market or maybe even less depending on trading volume vs total shares).

>>26985064
>unfortunate
Jew language. The decision to halt trading was made by a person. Fortune had nothing to do with it. Deliberate actions are not "unfortunate". A person is responsible and they have a family.

>>26984738
>>26985064
>reddit spacing
you have to go back

>>26985064
> White House and various financial institutions call different brokers and say in not so kind words "Stop the fucking trading"
> Unfortunate decision to stop trading

>>26985064
>got punished by the market.
Forcing users to sell so hedge funds can open longs before reopening trade is not the market. There is no market btw, its all owned by private entities that are married into each other's families and coordinate their actions for their benefit without even having to speak a word about it.

>>26985664
i was never on reddit. but i'm a coder and i like text to be easily parseable by glance.

so sue me...

>>26985659
not one person it was like 6 platforms/brokerages and robinhood already disclosed they want to re-enable trading but they had to halt.

i mean you trade on regulated markets what dd you expect? bitcoin trades 24/7 and need no regulation to function unlike securities.

>>26985994
they could have said no.
>>26986119
i mean no hedge fund will be buying at these levels. come on... they would be astronomically rekt.

i think amc shows what is going to happen.

>>26982780
If they are gonna make so that natural market mechanism that counter short selling are no longer possible, then yes.

>>26982780
No, but short selling ANYTHING won't be done as easily as it used to be. Scary is on the wall for all markets now. It is a perfect storm for BTC indeed.

>>26982780
No, but shorting shares that doen't even exist should.

>>26986257
>i mean no hedge fund will be buying at these levels. come on
They bought in at $100 because they KNOW it was a forced dump and they KNOW it will at least x4 from here once they allow the goyim cattle to trade again.

>i think amc shows what is going to happen.
amc was a psyop and we told you faggots from day one.

>>26986490
well naked shorts were never legal to be fair.
the brokerages fucked up, the hedge funds fucked up, and the kids that yoloed in above $100 fucked up.

>>26983663
Holy fuck you're an actual retard, learn economics.

>>26986571
Yup. Bobos are over.

>>26983987
Yes, it was better when we all lived in poverty before mass production

>>26984107
Kill yourself you bootlicking retard.
>nobody should ever give out loans ever

>>26984200
kill yourself retard

>>26986506
diluting the stocks is in the best interest of the company in these situations. they don' tprofit from their stocks going up unless they have any to sell left. they profit from issuing new stocks (printing money out of thin air) greatly tho. it also normalizes the market because the valuation is unreasonable given the state of the business.

let's face it the hedge funds will survive this gamestop will get some cash injection and robinhood kids will get rekt.

but many this is so fun to watch. like a fucking trainwreck then an other train running into it.

>>26983631

>>26982780
If someone has the capital, they can crash anything they want and benefit from it. It's designed to give ultimate power over the economy to (((hedge funds))).

It should be illegal, as it doesn't serve a legitimate purpose in price discovery and valuation.

>>26982780
not really..... but the fudding and manipulation and paying news to spread negative stuff to crash prices should be illegal manipulation and they should be arrested for it.... they do it in bitcoin, funny tether fud only comes up when we enter a bull market right? when they enter their shorts right? .... this shit should be illegal, they need to be jailed for life.

>>26985659
it wasnt made by a person https://www.luldplan.com/

>>26987245
well calling the redditors that started this names is borderline okay they have called the other side names too.

calling it financial terrorism with a serious face is where i draw the line.

IT'S FAIR GAME!

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET REKT, DO NOT STICK YOUR DICK INTO THE COOKIE JAR!