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how come in 2021 there is not a single hardware wallet which is worth it and safe

>>26377785
Not necessary (you can just create a paper wallet) but it's nice to have jf you're worried about keyloggers getting your private keys

>>26377874
yeah I wonder why

>>26377785
worth it. I bought the bulk pack a few months ago. Use fake info when buying and a burner email. Then just don't lose track of your hardware wallet and you are safe as can be. I enjoy chepo nano s as in the picture after trying the X and trezor.

>>26377785
Speaking from personal experience recently, no.

I wouldn't, they've had major security issues.
Heard good things about TREZOR

>>26377785
stay the fuck away from ledger. trezor SEEMS to have a competent team.
>>26377964
>Use fake info when buying and a burner email.
also this, regardless of which one you get. wish i'd thought of it before ledger shit the bed on every level

>>26377785
worth it for a somewhat tech literate but extremely busy goy. All of the obscure eth tokens I like I can store with ledger & not worry about someone getting into my metamask wallet like some horror stories I have heard about wallets emptying.

>>26377989
>he doesn't use a po box and a stolen credit card
ngmi

>>26377989
Were your fund safu?

>>26377785
>is this a meme?

Are you fuckin retarded? A HW wallet a meme? Dude, grow the fuck up. Your retard is showing.

Either be a security autist for free or but one of these and not worry. The stress it saves is the real selling point.

>>26377941
Based. I look forward to at least a few companies stealing everyone's tokens in a few years. Just print a piece of paper and keep it safe

>>26377989
If you do decide on it anyway (for any hardware wallet), use a fake name, disposable email, google voice/alternate phone number, po box, and link your card used to purchase on privacy.com to prevent them logging your card info.
Hardware wallets work well, just never trust the company with your data.

Absolutely not. Ledger (the company) has now been hacked multiple times, their reputation is in the toilet and their product cant be trusted. Ive got pakistanis spamming my email saying they'll kill my whole family if I dont send them 10 ETH now thanks to Ledger. Ive got a Trezor coming in the mail now

>>26378208
>>26377941
This is why you buy a wallet with open source software.

>>26377785
do NOT buy this through ledger directly.
they cannot be trust with your information.
use an authorized dealer if you really want one.

>>26378089
My funds are safe and always will be. My head however is now questionable.

Say you have a one whole BTC on a ledger and it gets fucked. What happens it just goes back to the block to be mined again like you never owned it?

>>26378229
It's been hacked so many times that I now think it's an intentional inside job.

This

https://youtu.be/Kga6yKyUmYs

>>26378229
>>26378396
its still just the one data harvest from apr-june you idiots and the leakers have already been v& and glowies are now extra interested in hardware wallets

>>26377785
Just buy some old or new laptop and uses it as an offline wallet, although these hardware wallets like ledge are pretty good for the normies.

>>26377785
>buy ledger
>name, number, email, home address leaked
>"ayo muhfug han ova dem eriums fo i shoot yo ass cuh"

ya bro its a good idea

>>26377785
Use a Virtual Box VM of some Linux distro that encrypts its full hard-drive, connected via an eSata for Speed (or USB4 ).

Then you run all your Wallets in the VM that encrypts itself. Even put Portable VirtualBox EXE on the drive if you want to have portability.

Tfw I bought a ledger in July. My info isn't in the leak but now I'm concerned about future leaks.

>>26378378
Define fucked
Like a transaction failed?
The ledger it self impldoes?

If problem with ledger you can buy a new one and restore from the private key. The ledger itself isn't a wallet, it's simply a warapper to keep your Private key from touching the internet.

>>26378229
Should've used a PO box, burner email, and VOIP phone number like I did. My info was hacked and leaked and none of it is useful to anyone. Having anythign crypto related shipped to your home address is just shitting on any form of anonymity or security there is.

>>26377941
Isn't Trezor open source ? Not sure about free

>>26377785
I have used a ledger for several years with no issue. After the data leak I wouldn't purchase one again though

>>26378681
If you didn't mask even one of the parts of your info, you're fucked. They're not allowing anyone to remove their data from Ledger's servers and haven't since even the early leaks

>>26378743
Like exploding or corrupted if they do that. I was thinking of getting one and putting it in a fireproof safe or something

unless the hackers get your physical wallet AS WELL AS your seed phrase, your funds are safe

it's safe

anyway if you buy a ledger why would you enter your real name address and phone number? there's an option to opt out of them keeping your data around when you buy it. are you dumb?

>>26378602
Fuck off

>>26378915
Even if the ledger is blasted with a fucking ion ray and turns into dust your funds are still safu, as long as you have your private key. You can boot on any ledger on earth using your key and access your funds.

>>26377785
if you want the whole crypto enthusiast pack yes also if youre ultra paranoid about self custody.

What about BitBox?
Open Source and Swiss made

>>26377785
Why not use a dedicated smartphone never connected to internet as cold storage?

>>26378787
I know, i learned my lesson. Thankfully I used my parents home phone number so they couldnt SIM swap me

>>26378338
What country do you live in? Gonna get cartel'd?

>>26378787
>Having anythign crypto related shipped to your home address is just shitting on any form of anonymity or security there is.
This. Your life is more important than your funds.
>pic https://www.ledger.com/phishing-campaigns-status

>>26379512
kek i got this exact email

>>26378901
Fugg good thing I live in the boonies and have guns

>>26378960
You don't get it my friend
getting the physical wallet amount to nothing without the PIN code
However, let someone get the seed phrase (and only the seed phrase) and your funds are gone in 20s.
You don't need the physical wallet, you don't even need a Ledger, you just use any software wallet BIP39-24words compatible.

>>26377785
Just dont buy ledger. They got hacked. All my info was compromised. I still get robo calls from pajeets and shit. SO fucking pissed at ledger. Never again.

>>26378229
What if I got one years ago?

>>26378229
Shopify logging into Ledger isn't a hack you fucking brainlet.

>>26379369
It's not safe in Chicago anymore, they kill for a snickers over here

>>26379717
Yeah guess a 24 word phrase dumbass

>>26379512
post your private key or your mother will die in her sleep tonight

>>26379512
so you're saying I'll get to legally kill niggers if I buy a ledger with my real info?

>>26379879
retard

I just leave at binance, better than this shit

>>26378681
same, i thought it was a good buy it said so everywhere i looked. this place is the only one i have seen to disagree

>>26377785
Yeah I mean I have one but haven't used it. Im more or less waiting for the day when exchanges turn into robinhood and don't allow me to own my coins and only have price exposure. I want to be prepared for that. Also I wasn't involved in the data leak so im obviously biased.

Regardless if you get a cold storage wallet or something else, id just be prepared to move your coins if some announcement comes out that, for example, coinbase is only allowing price exposure.

>>26379947
No because the emails are just spam bullshit from pakis in Kashmir, no one is going to actually come after you unless you live in like downtown London and are a notable crypto person

>>26378485
>yfw joggers are waiting for gas costs to drop so that they can rob ledger cucks at maximum ROI

>>26380419
do they even know the amount of shit you own? if not then who cares.telling somebody that you are going to rob them etc is one of the dumbest things you can do.

>>26377785
Got an old android somewhere? Just use Airgap wallet.

>>26377874
The ledger itself safe, its just the data of some that bought them that got hacked

>>26379833
>he relaxes 'round the blackses
ngmi

>>26377785
It is worth getting, and probably the safest place ever to get it from now, they already got hacked, I used a business address and name to get mine anyway so not worried, love my nano x

Just use Trust Wallet on a phone with LineageOS. Secure enough for your needs.

>>26381003
Phones would be the perfect cold wallets if their wifi/bluetooth/lte/gsm shit could be removed (physically).
Pinephone is about to make a cheap version of their phone with physical switches and ubuntu though, this might be a good crypto wallet, scan qr of tx then sign it and display it on screen and scan it with online phone.

I have 14K in a browser extension. Is this secure enough?

Guys I totally fucked up and sent it to my home address.

>>26377785
how else are you gonna lock in your price?

I had access to a plasma cutter at my school so I etched my recovery seed onto a steel plate. You could also do the same thing with a metal scribe or a letter punch. It's better than paper and good if you dont actually need to access your wallet regularly.

Is Express VPN a meme?

>>26381882
I have for rule to avoid anything appearing as sponsored content on youtube

stay safe out there gang

>>26382135
Fucking Sam Hyde, he can't keep getting away with it.

>>26379512
Kek. Apperantly there is an international network of robbers that work together across the world to rob poor Finnish boys in the middle of bumfuck nowhere Lapland. Get the fuck out of here. If anyone falls for this you deserve to lose your coins.

>>26382205
now this reminds me of the time when I had this stuff on my pc that would redirect my browser to a fake police website where you were supposed to pay in btc for your "crimes"

>>26377989
>not using a po box
hardware wallet can't save a brainlet like you
just be a good goy and get your coins on Robinhood

>>26377785
I have a Trezor. Very happy with it.

I honestly don't know. My experience with it was this:

Set it up in 2017. Take diligent notes on how to access it and use it, etc etc.

Try to access things in 2020. It must have taken me a full day to figure out how all the new shit works, how to access everything, how to update the firmware (don't brick it anon :^)) and so forth..

>>26378472
The benefit of a hardware wallet is that you only need to remember one seed phrase to unlock all of your various crypto wallets. 12 words, easy to memorize.