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I tried reading the English translation of the Talmud.

>> No.26324726

Isn't it just old testament?

>> No.26324859
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>>26324726
The "Torah" in the narrowest sense -- the Five Books of Moses -- we believe were dictated by God to Moses.

The remainder of the Jewish Bible or Tanakh -- which roughly corresponds with what the Christians call the Old Testament -- signify works of religious value that had some Divine help. (E.g. Judges, Jeremiah, Esther.)

The Talmud is the work of men many, many years later, reflecting the teachings and traditions they received -- and their debates on them.

A Torah book is handled as more sacred than, say, a book of Esther, which is more sacred than a volume of the Talmud.

On the other hand, we can't understand the commandments contained in the Torah without the explanation of the Talmud. Too many things are too vague. And we believe that an oral tradition was given alongside the Torah that was eventually recorded in the Talmud.

>> No.26324865

>>26324635
and ? it's thousands of pages of discussions between 2000 years old rabbis about jewish law. even a single paragraph is a turn off

>> No.26324991

>>26324859
can we have a pilpul now?

>> No.26325139

>>26324635
By tried I assume you failed? Why? What are you hoping to get out of reading it?

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>>26324865
>>26324991
When we conclude this offering, would you prefer a she-goat or a he-goat?
Choose wisely lest you want to shed yourself on the alter.
For if the anointed priest has sinned in a case of idolatry, according to Rabbi, he is liable for erroneous acting, and, according to the rabbis, for forgetting; all, however, agree that his offering must be a she-goat and that he is not under the category of those who bring a pending trespass offering, and Rabbi's reason is from [Num. xv. 28]: "And the priest shall make an atonement for the person that hath erred"; "for the person" means the anointed priest; "that
hath erred" means the prince; "in his sinning through ignorance" means according to Rabbi that the sinning of each of the two must be through ignorance, while according to the rabbis this part applies only to him who sins through ignorance, exclude the anointed priest who sins through forgetting; and whence do they deduce that he like any other individual must bring a she-goat? From the above-cited verse [ibid., ibid. 27]: "And if any person sin," i.e., any one: common, priest, prince, etc.

>> No.26325202

>>26324859
>we can't understand the commandments contained in the Torah without the explanation of the Talmud. Too many things are too vague.

>Oy vey there must be a loophole here somewheres!!

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>>26324635
Did you get to the part about us "goyim"?
How about the best practices for sacrificing babies to Moloch?

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>>26325152
I myself have studied some Berakhot and Bava Metsia

>> No.26325259

>>26325202
An eruv ([(ʔ)eˈʁuv]; Hebrew: עירוב, lit. 'mixture', also transliterated as eiruv or erub, plural: eruvin [(ʔ)eʁuˈvin]) or eruvim, is a ritual halakhic enclosure made for the purpose of allowing activities which are normally prohibited on Shabbat (due to the prohibition of hotzaah mereshut lereshut), specifically: carrying objects from a private domain to a semi-public domain (carmelit), and transporting objects four cubits or more within a semi-public domain. The enclosure is made within some Jewish communities, especially Orthodox Jewish communities.

>> No.26325322

>>26325217
Can you tell me in what page of tractate Sanhedrin you found this ?

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>>26325139
>>26325234
If you understand the beliefs of the forefathers you begin to understand the beliefs of grandfathers to fathers and sons as well as sons of sons.

>> No.26325340

>>26324859
its just rabbinical encylicals
Yeshua was the true messiach tho any other king after him is the anti-christ.
t. jewish orthodox christian

>> No.26325431

>>26325340
I am confused, so true jews accept Christ?

>> No.26325539

>>26325217
I just don't understand why sacrifice cleanses the acts of a person, when its the person that transgressed - why does innocent blood dot the alter when they've no interaction with it?
You only realize it's because the innocent are ultimately property.

>> No.26325576

>>26325217
>>26325322
I found out.
Whorshipping of Moloch is not classical idolatry. It is in fact worse.

http://www.mesora.org/molech.html

>> No.26325630

>>26325431
yes anyone who doesnt accept Jesus is going to hell, end times sign is 2/3rds of jews converting.
jews reject christ and are trying to resume sacrafice with the red heifer on the foundation stone, rebuild the temple, crown a messiach, all in vain because Jesus is the true messiah, the only people who make it in the end are Christians, you get a mansion in heaven and get to live in the presence of God for eternity

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>>26324635
did it improve your /biz/ - business & finance skills?