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26121052 No.26121052 [Reply] [Original]

Hey guys
I created this tool that pulls data from biz and tries to rank coins on how much it's getting shilled. It's still a work in progress and obviously not perfect yet, but I would like to share it with you guys. Getting some traffic on the tool is good for me too because it shows me where bottlenecks in my code are.
The goal is to provide a tool to filter shills from this board so we can all make better trading decisions.
The tool doesn't only scrape coins, but anything it thinks might be significant. That includes stock tickers and misc trending words.
You can check it out at shill.watch/biz
Let me know if you have suggestions for improvement.

>> No.26121109

>>26121052
upward price movement should drive down its shill rating

>> No.26121162
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>>26121052
For example, DAIQ is real hot today, but you can see that usually over half of DAIQ posts are duplicates.

>> No.26121165

>>26121052
Bro, I was afraid that you RBC was just being systematically shilled, but after looking at your tool I saw it wasn't. I bought and made money. Thanks again, you're a good lad, I'm bookmarking this along with MERV.

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>>26121052
Wow thats actually pretty cool.

>> No.26121199

WTF I WENT TO THE WEBSITE AND NOW ALL MY LINK IS GONE

>> No.26121205

NIGGER coin is good

>> No.26121236

lol this is pretty cool. only 10 posters about HEX kekkkkk

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>>26121109
That's a really good suggestion. I'll put it on the roadmap. That's the kind of indicator that improves over time as shills become less effective too.

>>26121165
That's fantastic to hear bro. Keep it up.

>>26121205
I fucking love seeing NIGGER post stats and I'm never taking it off

>> No.26121319

>>26121255
>I fucking love seeing NIGGER post stats and I'm never taking it off
checked and dare i say based and perhaps even red pilled

>> No.26121348

>>26121165
BTW since you visited the site before, do you notice any change in performance? I changed a lot since I last posted.

>> No.26121362

>>26121052
OP you are a good guy. I was actually working on my own sentiment analysis NLP thingy. Based work, love your approach.

Keep doing your thing!

>> No.26121390
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>> No.26121408

I like it. It works as a /biz/ news aggregator as well.

>> No.26121420
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>>26121199
checked and extremely unbased

>> No.26121491

>>26121362
Thanks bud. Sentiment analysis is coming too. Thinking of making some type of wojack index based on red vs green wojacks.

>>26121408
That's how I usually use it. I check for a big uptick in the daily move from average.

>> No.26121506

What is NIGGER and where do i buy ?

>> No.26121527

>>26121052
very cool! bookmarked

>> No.26121610

So it’s using keywords?

>> No.26121649

>>26121506
Can anyone help a nigga out?

>> No.26121661

I remember your last thread

kino

>> No.26121665

>>26121052
So we just have to take your word for it? Yeah, that totally can not be manipulated and used..to shill.

>> No.26121689

>>26121052
Cool idea. I'd love to see an optional key-word indicator. Something that tells me how often phrases like
>have fun being poor
>i filled my bags
>ready to explode
>the new chainlink
and other common pajeet shill terms are used.
This could be the basis for a "Pajeet Score" as a secondary indicator.

>> No.26121692

>>26121610
Pretty much. It's hard to use contextual information from posts since posts often include a lot of garbage. I blacklist certain words by hand to keep the list clean so the system doesn't filter out new coins that look like garbage like SUSHI.

>> No.26121700

>>26121052
gods work

>> No.26121702

>>26121491
How based are you in software? I highly recommend latest BERT models for sent analysis.

Analyzing memes would be extremely based lmao.

>> No.26121707

>>26121052
>USD is a shill coin
i fucking knew it, explain yourself sharts

>> No.26121747

>>26121052
Why did biz miss Polkadot?

>> No.26121748

nice, but because it was made yesterday it needs a much larger sample size over time. if i type Bean Cash, is something going to show up? BITB

>> No.26121763

>>26121052
bretty cool. don't stop adding features.

>> No.26121771

OP just chiming in to say this is some fantastic work and more than this community deserves, I'd suggest to put a donation button somewhere because if someone joins a moon mission using your site they will surely be grateful

>> No.26121871

so should I take the most shilled midget coins as a red flag?

>> No.26121926

>>26121665
Busted. Buy NIGGER now

>>26121702
Will check it out. Thanks for the suggestion.

>>26121689
That's pretty good. Something like that would require caching of posts on my end, since I'm already working at the edge of the 4chan api request limit. I'll put that on the roadmap for when I'm at the stage where I want to expand the database capacity.

>>26121748
It was made a few weeks ago. Some coins have limited mentions. I'm going to add historical data to the database soon.

>>26121771
Thanks a lot dude. I have a donation button in the navbar. One anon already made a based donation of .01488 which covered server expenses for this month. I'm just glad people are hyped about my little project.

>> No.26121951

>>26121052
>xrpaypigs shill their shitcoin excessively
you don't need to see a graph to know that, but it's nice to see a graph that proves it at least
xrpaypigs - fuck off back to twitter, no one wants to buy your dumpster fire shitcoin no matter how much you brigade other threads

>> No.26121953

>>26121052
>rubic 0%
Lmao nice rigged site faggot

>> No.26122034
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You're a god, OP. Does it distinguish between shilling and shitposting against FUD though? Context is important to take into account. One anime fren shills DAIQ and he wears it as a badge of honor.

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>>26121871
It's situational. Sometimes it's just one enthousiastic poster trying to get his investment out there. I'd recommend checking out the coin's detail page and browsing the threads. If you see a lot of identical looking threads, it's probably being shilled.

>>26121953
RBC is at 6%. RUBIC is not associated to RBC yet, so it shows its own percentage.

>> No.26122132

>>26121052
Really happy to see this. Good job mate

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>>26121951
Yeah XRP is the most shilled coin by far. Very careful about that one.

>>26122034
Thanks a lot man. It doesn't right now. There's no sentiment analysis engine in there yet. Any indicator is to be used with discretion, as with any financial indicator. The shill index is just 1 - (post IDs)/(all posts). View it as the inverse of the number of unique posters posting about that coin.

>>26122132
Thank you bud

>> No.26122396

>USDT down at number 30

Tether fudsters are real quiet now huh

>> No.26122483

I'm gonna shill coins i dislike so much that it tanks

>> No.26122503

>>26121236
great job, now it's 11

>> No.26122527

>>26121165
same kek

>> No.26122562

when presale for premium features token?

>> No.26122617

>>26122483
lmao, there's this guy doing this to AVAX right now.

>>26122562
SHILL is still open so who knows

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Almost no XLM shills, better start buying. Always buy what BIZ shitters do not shill.

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>>26121255
Checked and based

>> No.26122681

>>26122503
We're now registered as a HEX thread. woops.

>> No.26122728

>>26122681
one mention of X in a post is enough to mark a thread as X thread?

>> No.26122736

Let's try this shit.
ALGO ALGO ALGO ALGO ALGO ALGO ALGO
I LOVE ALGO ALGO ALGO ALGO.
BUY MY PRQ lmao PRQ PRQ PRQ.

Okay I stop.

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26122768

can confirm I am a hardcore XSN shill, but only because I'm trying to get you guys to become rich

>> No.26122784

Buy Xrp, very cheap for you!

>> No.26122872

>>26121052

This is awesome OP!

>> No.26122883
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>>26122728
The detail page for a mention just lists all the threads where a mention was made. That's to scoop up as much data as possible. New coins are usually mentioned once or twice in a general thread, so this makes sure I don't miss any hidden gems.

General philosophy for the page is to pre-filter as little as possible so the user has all the data to make an informed decision

>> No.26122903

how is xrp at 20 and link at 9 your shit dont work son

>> No.26122950

>>26122903
It's based on unique posters not overall posts

>> No.26122978

>>26122903
XRP shills getting exposed as we speak

>> No.26122986

>>26122950
but it doesnt take sentiment into account, right? so if i call xrp shit it'll still count for your statistic

>> No.26123036

>>26121052
Really nice work anon, have a (You)

>> No.26123079

>>26122986
Yeah it just takes raw posts and raw post id's. So if you make lots of posts about the same coin in the same thread, the SI goes up. That means coins with their own general threads with lots of the same posters will naturally have a higher SI. That doesn't really bother me because I don't trade on the SI alone. I usually browse the threads as well.

>> No.26123088

kek this is brilliant, I'm bookmarking it. Will it run passively, pulling data, or do you have to maintain it manualy from time to time?

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>>26122883
consider looking for filenames as well. I never shill gems with text.

>> No.26123123

WHERE THE FUCC IS THE STA

>> No.26123129

Based OP actually doing something with his life

>> No.26123146

>>26123088
It runs passively, updating data every 10 minutes. Working on optimizing the code so it can run every 5 ish minutes without frying the CPU.

The only thing I do manually is update the blacklist for terms that I don't want on the front page, but you can still look at the stats for those terms by going directly to the detail page. i.e. shill.watch/detail/YOU or something

>> No.26123155

>>26121052
are you planning to open source it?

>> No.26123261

>>26121165
whats merv ?

>> No.26123265

>>26123146
I think you're on track to make an essential biz shitposting tool

>> No.26123369

>>26123089
Good one. Should be easy to implement. I'll add that.

>>26123155
Maybe. On the one hand that could help with development time. On the other hand I don't want shills to see my code and find ways to circumvent it.
That may seem overly cautious, but seeing how much this tool has helped my trading in the past few weeks, and thankfully other anons as well, I would be surprised if this tool doesn't become a popular way to fight shills on this board.
When I started developing this I half thought shills were just a meme. I was pretty surprised at the amount of ACTUAL shills on this board.

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DAIQ anon working hard

>> No.26123432

>>26123265
Thanks bro, that's the goal. Gonna add in report cards soon so people can easily mark shills and shill threads for other anons to see.

>> No.26123452

>>26121052
I'd give you a Tää :D if I could.

>> No.26123482

OP, NANO address so I can tip you?

>> No.26123485

>>26123079
Ok, so because you are a tard who goes through such you expect others to do the same and not to base their opinion based on your fundamentally flawed shill index. Your index is not as smart as you think it is. If you want to do anons a favour improve on it first.

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Working hard all week

>> No.26123508

BASED OP

>> No.26123528

I don't see any Daiq thread but is see about 20 Rubic threads, wtf

>> No.26123564

>>26122883
makes sense

>> No.26123575
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26123575

based op
thanks a lot !

>> No.26123580

>>26123485
What the fuck's wrong with you, OP didn't say this is a 100% accurate way to avoid shilled shitcoins. It's a free, fun tool to play around with. Get your head out of your ass. Maybe post something that you think is wrong with it or offer OP your help if you're such a genius?

>> No.26123591

>>26121052
Based. Donated.
Is it possible to add basic description on how to read charts, like use case?

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>>26123369
exclude standard 4chan naming convention and Iphone, imgur, discord...you know, else you will end up with a certain frog being most shilled, followed by a dancing cat. Though for meme-economic reasons, could be interesting

>> No.26123662

>>26121052
Do you happen to track IPs that coming in to your website?

>> No.26123664

>>26121052
Nice work fren, may your bags be filled with moonshots.

>> No.26123681

>>26121052

Question for you OP:

Do you scrape the actual catalog in /biz/ or do you use something else?

>> No.26123894

>>26123482
Thanks bro, I really appreciate it. Any donations I've received so far go straight into server expansions and development.

nano_38bpn89uas57gwj9cwhia4uajo4q9z7i1hpatbxjqrzojmmw4bxs9x9ootd6


>>26123485
Yeah it's not perfect. Neither is an SMA or an RSI. It's an indicator. Maybe it needs a better name, but SI seemed catchy.

>>26123591
That means a lot senpai. Keep checking in to see improvements.

>> No.26123918

>measure the volume of pink/green wojak and bear/bull pepes on original thread posts
>measure the volume of coin pics on original thread posts
>measure volume of posts longer/shorter than 280 characters (tweet character limit); attribute to "deep dive" discussion versus unsubstantiated shit posting
>measure time elapsed between posts (post frequency in a thread); connect to thread topic to measure "excitability" or "trending" topics
>measure post volume against trade volume
>measure specific coin post volume against its market cap/trade volume/price action

>> No.26124057

how are you generating those graphs? site looks great.

>> No.26124080

>>26123662
Just standard google analytics. None of that google analytics 4 garbage, that seems way too invasive.
It helps with development because I can easily track what kind of load my site can handle. If anons don't like it I'll consider removing it, no worries.

>>26123638
Yeah I blacklisted a lot of that shit.

>>26123664
You too bud

>>26123681
I use the 4chan API to scrape the biz catalog for threads and then individual calls to scrape threads that were changed since the last snapshot. If there's a better way to do this please tell me because this method limits me to one request per second, so a minimum of 160 seconds to update all threads.

>> No.26124292

>>26124057
Thanks a lot. That's just standard matplotlib with all the axes and labels stripped. Surprisingly lightweight.

>>26123918
pink/green wojaks is on the roadmap
coin pics too, but for any kind of AI I need to upgrade the server, or get a dedicated server that I can call. So that has to wait for a bit.
post length is a really good addition. Will add.
post frequency too. Will have to think about the exact implementation.
post vol against trade vol is coming. So is posts against price movement and SI against price movement.

Great suggestions overall. Noting everything. Might put a roadmap on the site later.

>> No.26124533

>>26121052
when i hit 100k with rbc i will unironically send you a few eth. thanks lad, was hoping to see you back here for this

only thing i can see is when you mouse over the threads that have multiple (picrel) threads, when you hit the other multiple amounts highlighted, it stops the mouseover. i know you can get around this by not hitting those, but would be good to fix

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>>26121255
>I fucking love seeing NIGGER post stats and I'm never taking it off
omfg you are based

>> No.26124628

>>26121390
Based

>> No.26124673

>>26121926
>.01488
.01488 what? .01488 NIGGERS?

>> No.26124682

>>26124292
maybe try scraping the popular crypto news site to get a shill metric from them too, maybe also factor in sentiment analysis on each keyword.

you can also try to identify larp/quality threads by a high number of posts from a single id that all have lots of replies on them.

you can get around the api limit through proxies. it's how the archives do it i think.

>> No.26124783

>>26124292
Cool! Also see if you can classify threads as either cryto related or unrelated. I'd be interested in knowing what percent of active board threads are cryto related, then measuring that against overall crypto market data.

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>>26121052
A fellow /biz/nessman leveraging this site, well done. Also it's a great idea. Hit me up and maybe there's some way we can collab. What are your active users per day so far?

https://www.memeatlas.com

memeatlas@protonmail.com

>> No.26124894

Saw OPs site couple days ago, really cool shit, fren. If I find a moon mission through it, I'll make sure to give back to the og that you're.

>>26124813
Thanks fren. Cool site too.

>> No.26124945

>>26124533
Thanks a lot for the kind words bud. Hope you make it.

That's a bug I noticed earlier. It's probably easy to fix, but I've been too busy today improving some more important code so the site wouldn't shit itself again like it did last time. We hit about 60 consecutive users just now with no problem so I'm glad that work paid off.

>>26124673
.01488 secret niggercoin. Hidden gem. Don't look into it I'm accumulating.

>>26124682
I'm also pulling in data from coingecko and using their rank to filter some stuff. Sentiment analysis is coming too.
reply data is a good suggestion. Can't believe I didn't think of that.
I'll keep that proxy tip in mind. Ideally I can get this scraper down to sub-minute data

>>26124783
That's a good suggestion too. How would you quantify an unrelated thread?

That reminds me, when this is up and running I might make a copy that tracks shills on /pol/ too. Seems like it might be a lot of fun.

>>26124813
Nice, will send you a message.

>>26124894
Thanks bud. We're all gonna make it.

>> No.26125026

Legit very cool and well done OP. Assuming you havent somehow harvested all my private keys and stolen my coins this is one of the coolest /biz/ products.

>> No.26125098

>>26121052
Nice work anon, you should add wallets to your blog so that others can give you some shekels for the nice project. If you post it in the thread then you are a pajeet.

>> No.26125287

>>26125098
Yeah good point, didn't think of that.
I only have my btc and eth address up there right now. I'm new to donations so I don't know which addresses are most used. Any in particular I need to add?

>>26125026
Thanks for the kind words bud. Means a lot. Hope it helps you somehow.

>> No.26125319

>>26124945
>analyze keywords and classify as either crypto related or unrelated
>it doesn't meet a certain threshold for crypto-related keywords
>it meets a threshold for non-crypto-related keywords

Also see if you can redevelop this project to target the reddit equivalent board. Also measure thot posting volume. I can't confidently invest in a coin if it doesn't have a solid booba rating.

>> No.26125341

>>26121052
What are you holding?

>> No.26125444

>>26121052
Put it real simple to me cause I'm a fucking singletong, anon... How can I profit from this? Is it the more shilled something is the better my chance of making money on it, or do I use some contrarian trading magic to play against the market?

I can see that there's value in what you made but I do not know how to decipher it

>> No.26125457

>>26125319
>thot index
oh fuck yeah

>>26125341
70% bitcoin, 20% stablecoins because I think btc is heading down, 10% shitcoin moonshots. Some RBC, some POL. Slept on GRT unfortunately.

>> No.26125518

>>26124945
once your satisfied with biz analysis, you can change the endpoints to /gif/ and do an analysis on the prevalence of blacked and sissy threads.

oh the joys of nlp.

>> No.26125571

>tfw will never be as high iq as this op

>> No.26125580

>>26125444
What's the better time to buy into herbalife. When nobody in town is selling it or when the entire town is shilling it to each other?

>> No.26125582

>>26125444
Ok here's what I do. Every day I sort the list by "move from average" to see if there's anything hot that I haven't seen before. If there is, I check the SI and the threads to decide if it's being shilled or not. If I feel good about it, I'll buy a small bag.
In my experience so far, any coin that has spiked on /biz/ has later gone up in price. Sometimes 10%, sometimes 1000%. Either way I'm making money.

>>26125518
Definitely thought about that. Same thing for BBC and Biden threads on /pol/. Should be easy to roll out once this version is pretty good.

>> No.26125688

>>26125457
RBC is a very good hold.
I've never her of POL. I'll look into it.
How long did it take you to make this thing? Has it been beneficial for you?

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>>26125582
>>26125444
For example. daiq is popping off today, but the SI is also through the roof. It's both the most shilled coin on a daily and on a weekly average. If you've been browsing today, you might have seen that this coin is being shilled to death.
Still, you may jump into this coin thinking the shills will be effective. The coin is flatlining right now in terms of price-action, so there's a good chance it might spike. I'm not active enough of a trader that I'm willing to take a bet like that, so I'm gonna let this one slide.

>> No.26125795

>>26125580
I wanna say when nobody in town is selling, but I feel like it's the wrong answer?

>>26125582
I see, thanks. Do you check fundamentals or just roll with it no matter what?

>> No.26125855

>>26125715
ok one more question, does the shill index give you any indicators before shit pumps? like on the buildup and stuff?

>> No.26125856

>>26121052
Sell this tool as subscription and I'll invest in you

>> No.26125868

Pretty cool site, not gonna lie. But can you explain to a brainlet how to implement that into my trades
Thanks.

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>>26124945
Sounds good man.

>> No.26126062

>>26125688
I had been using a local version for a couple months. Showed it to a friend and he convinced me to put it online so he could use it as well. We've both been using it as a basis for spotting new investment opportunities.
It's been hugely beneficial even just as a time saving instrument. I used to scan /biz/ all day looking for hidden gems and I'd miss lots of them. Now I don't miss any and I save a bunch of time. On the investment side it's helped me make some positive return. I'm not a whale by any means so nothing life-changing yet. I did pick up a few nice pumps, but I'm too conservative to put over 1% of my portfolio in a moonshot.

>>26125795
>>26125855
Always check the fundamentals. I have some links on the /detail page for the coin so I can check the coin homepage and the price action on coingecko. If the coin has already pumped and it's small, or if it's just out of ICO, I usually skip it, or wait for a little bit.

>>26125856
I'd rather help the place that changed my life (in a good way). Maybe I'll make pricier features paid if I can't reasonably cover the costs myself, but that's in the future. Huge thanks all the same though!

>> No.26126078

>>26124080
>I use the 4chan API to scrape the biz catalog for threads and then individual calls to scrape threads that were changed since the last snapshot. If there's a better way to do this please tell me because this method limits me to one request per second, so a minimum of 160 seconds to update all threads.

You would need to distribute your clients, AFAIK rate limiting is done per IP.

Are you looking for other devs?

>> No.26126086

>>26121052
the hero we need

>> No.26126128

>>26125868
check out
>>26125582
>>26125715

That's my basic no-brains strategy.

>>26126078
If you have some skills and you think you can help out, shoot me a mail at shillwatchbiz@protonmail.com

>> No.26126147

>>26126062
You're a good dude and future legend, keep doing you OP!

>> No.26126197

>>26126062
That's fair enough. I'll definitely use it and see how it is then. Thanks for all the effort and the share.

>> No.26126200

>>26126147
>>26126086
Thanks senpai. Hope it can help you

>> No.26126260

>>26126062
>I'd rather help the place that changed my life (in a good way).

Nice, I also released a free app to do wallet analysis (e.g. see what big holders are buying) if anyone is curious:
https://walletinvestigator.herokuapp.com/

I've been too lazy to market it in any way so there aren't many users but it's been pretty insightful for me. I'll probably use your app regularly too, seems quite useful.

>> No.26126270

>>26126062
Do you think there'll be a crash? If yes, when do you think it'll be?
>>26126197

>> No.26126297
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>Based fren
No mention of me beauty DMG. You know what to do oldfags

>> No.26126355

>>26121052
Damn, Klaus has been hard at work shilling his LINK

>> No.26126425

>>26121052
Great job anon. Is there any way of coding it that after successfully identifying a shill, you could drone strike the pajeet and his village and straf any pajeets or infants running from the burning homes?

>> No.26126441

I figured XMR would be higher up :/

>> No.26126454
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>>26126270
I'm pretty conservative when it comes to investing, so I don't like to say things like "I think it will/won't crash". I want bitcoin to go up because I believe in its value proposition and I'd be very surprised if bitcoin does not grow to 100k+ in the next five years.

Having said that, if I look at the current price action honestly, and compare it to 2017, there is an undeniable similarity. If the past predicts the future, we're in for a drop to 10k-ish over the coming months. I give that a fairly good probability, so I moved 20% of my portfolio from BTC to stablecoins as a hedge.

>>26126297
You can check the page for (any) coin directly by going to shill.watch/detail/<coin>. I'm going to implement a search function somewhere this week.

>> No.26126527

>>26126425
Yeah I think so.
I had big plans of analyzing a shill's posts to determine their geolocation by seeing when they sleep and comparing it to timezones. Then I found out that ID's are linked to threads. Until I figure out how to identify shills across threads, no drone strikes unfortunately :(

>>26126441
XMR is criminally underdiscussed on /biz/

>> No.26126602

>>26124945
forgot to add the pic but you got it, thanks anon. agree the site is much better. thanks anon, we both gmi.

>> No.26126603

>>26121491
>wojak indicator
kek'd. That would be great.

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>>26126454
I understand you. There will be a crash but not soon.
I definitely agree with you in the value proposition of cryptography and crypto in general. And in your future valuation.
I haven't moved any of my portfolio to stable coins. Because I don't think I need to yet.
What's your opinion on swing trading?
What's your opinion of technical analysis and the like?

>> No.26126721

>>26121390
move all your DOGE to NIGGER now!!!

>> No.26126773

>>26126527
Being able to determine someone of 4chans location you be extremely impressive.
I'm holding XMR. When will the pump be? I'm tired of crab.

>> No.26127042

>>26126694
I wasted about 3 years of my life chasing the forex dragon. For that reason I'm very skeptical of TA. I don't know of a single long term succesful TA trader in any market. The succesful traders I do know don't pass the survivorship-bias test.
Then again, it's undeniable that there's some truth to TA, so you'd have to be pretty stupid to incorporate no TA at all in your strategy. If you seriously start looking at arcane indicators like Bollinger bands, MA crosses and candlestick patterns though, there's a good chance you're going to burn yourself.
For crypto I think the best strategy is to hold if you have a lot of money. If you have a modest stack and you're trying to make it, there's no harm in applying some portfolio theory to try and make an extra buck here and there. I am a big believer in getting a small percentage of your portfolio in moonshots, since those bets have proved to be hugely asymmetrical. Putting a huge percentage of my portfolio on a moonshot is too high T for me.

>>26126773
I don't think Monero will ever pump (and that's a good thing). Its use-case is one of the most well established in the crypto space. I see it more as a buy and hold option, a somewhat less volatile bitcoin alternative.

>> No.26127349

>>26127042
How would you identify those moonshots?
Also, I am still not so clear of the potential of identifying good coins with your tool, I think it doesn't matter if it's being shilled a lot or not, both cases could go up, or down. Do you have any idea on this?

>> No.26127475

>>26127042
I use TA quite often because, to me, it's always seemed like the most reliable option. The news is always new. TA always works the same with numbers and calculations that always have the same answer. I've been getting good returns off of leveraging based on TA recently. This is why I have a positive opinion on TA.
Tbh I don't think I'm very good at determining what the moonshots will be. Maybe what might be a moonshot. But putting a lot of money into that chance wouldn't be something I'd be comfortable with.
>I see it more as a buy and hold option, a somewhat less volatile bitcoin alternative.
What do you think about privacy not having as much prevalence in the future? Wouldn't that negatively effect the potential XMR price?
I apologize for all the questions.

>> No.26127519

>>26121052
You might have just saved this place.

Contact gookmoot.

>> No.26127800

>>26127349
Nothing is guaranteed. It's all about getting an edge. If coins pop on your radar at the start of their popularity cycle, you have an edge over latecomers.
All the tools on the site are there to help me spot those coins early, and then to weed out shitcoins.
So what you say is true, any coin that pops on the rader has the potential to be shit or good. It's up to the trader to leverage this data and find good investments.
There's no getting around reading threads for now. The benefit is that my tool collects all the threads that mention a coin in one place.

>>26127475
Most strategies that I've seen that are based on TA are very antifragile, meaning they will make money 90% of the time, but catastrophic losses the other 10%. A good comparison is martingaling a roulette table. You can make money at the roulette table for years in some cases, but there's eventually going to be that losing streak that ends it all.
Then again, I'm just another anon on /biz/. Don't value my investment advice too highly. If it works for you, I'm happy.

Pretty sure privacy going down would make XMR go up, no? Maybe I don't understand you correctly.

>>26127519
I'll get him on the line right now.

>> No.26127875

>>26121052
I'm always surprised at how little AAVE gets shilled here.

>> No.26127946

>>26121348
Yes! It's way faster than before. Awesome site anon!

>> No.26127962

>>26127800
>You can make money at the roulette table for years in some cases, but there's eventually going to be that losing streak that ends it all.
But that risk would be nullified with proper risk management and diversification.
Sorry I meant the public's view on the importance of privacy is going down. And that would negatively effect XMRs price.

>> No.26128159

>>26127962
No risk management is going to prevent a guaranteed catastrophic loss. It's hard to convey that idea in a 4chan-sized post. If you're interested in this type of thing, I can recommend Nicholas Taleb's book Antifragility. If you're more technically minded, just pick up a book on portfolio theory or look into the Kelly Criterion for example.

Oh right. Well, the public's opinion is pretty much divorced from the public's actions. If the digital dollar/euro are going to be a thing, and it's looking like they will be, there's going to be a demand for a currency that can buy things that you don't want the central bank to see. I think XMR is gonna steadily grow.
I don't hold any myself desu.

>>26127946
Perfect. Thanks for the feedback

>> No.26128229

xau gold xag silver

>> No.26128263

>>26121052
This is amazing anon. Know your worth.

>> No.26128266

>>26121052
i'm going to keep a close eye on this, looks interesting

>> No.26128284

>>26121165
Well done anon!! Bookmarked this tool too.

>> No.26128342

>>26121052
Good work. If it's not already been suggested, can you add a *paid shill* flag based on volatility - eg. 27 threads for weeks then they disappear overnight earns a flag (this kills bsv shills and tether fudders)

>> No.26128364

>>26121763
I second this!!!!

>> No.26128408

>>26121771
I agree. I'm just getting into this, this helped a ton.

>> No.26128418

This could potentially be a paradigm shifting tool for /biz/, extremely based.

>> No.26128521

>>26126270
Curious about this too.

>> No.26128533

>>26128408
>>26128364
>>26128284
>>26128266
>>26128263
Thanks a lot for the kind words. Love you guys.

>>26128342
Yeah I'm thinking about adding tags that emphasize coins that are "confirmed" shillcoins. Keep checking in and you might see it pop up soon.

>>26128418
Hope so. I want to get back to early-crypto biz where you didn't have to sift through so much shit to find the gems

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26128582

What did Pajeet mean by this?

>> No.26128618

>>26125856
Not a bad idea there bud.

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>>26128159
>No risk management is going to prevent a guaranteed catastrophic loss.
That's definitely true. But it will statistically prevent too much of a loss overtime. Personally I'm a maths and Econ major with a focus on statistics. And I'd admit that skews my views.
I'll note those two names down and look into them.
>Well, the public's opinion is pretty much divorced from the public's actions.
Why do you say that?
Why do you not hold any yourself if you think XMR will steadily grow?

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>>26121052
Bro, I am about to post it to 1K people, will you be able to handle that much traffic?

>> No.26129107

>>26128700
I have an MSc in Pure Mathematics, so I completely understand the allure of TA. It seems to be free of qualitative factors, and at least superficially the data seems regular enough that it seems reasonable that one would be able to predict price action at least a few seconds into the future. The dissapointing fact is that there are multi-billion dollar organizations that don't outperform the market.

Suppose I have a fair coin, and I flip it 1000 times. I guarantee you that you'll be able to find a pattern in there. Maybe a H is followed by a T 55% of the time. Maybe after every HTH there is a T 80% of the time. Strategies based on these patterns in historical data will both fail, because the observed data is an incomplete representation of the factors causing the data. This is the fundamental flaw in TA. The underlying factors cause data, and the human mind seeks patterns in that data. It finds those patterns because one can only observe a finite amount of data.

At least, that's my two cents.

>>26128934
Sure hope so. Let's fucking see

>> No.26129578

>>26129107
interesting and valid, but you seem to forget one point: TA works cause people use it. More in stonks than in crypto, but its a mass phenomenon. Kind of a self fulfilling propehcy or how that shit is called, no?

Still thinking about the wojak indicator. That would be fun. But its more challenging than analysing text

>> No.26129594

>>26129107
What multibillion organisations that are invested in out preforming the market, don't outperform the market?
Yea I completely understand you. But if I flipped a coin twice and infinite number of times. You'd know exactly the chance of TT, HT, TH, HH. In real life there are no infinite number of times but we can still predict what the result would be quite far in the future give the present and past data. I mean chaos theory comes into play obviously because the exact present determines the exact future but the approximate present doesn't determine the approximate future. But desu I don't know much about chaos theory. Idk.

>> No.26129929

a blackpill would be someone using photo recognition software and compile the portfolio threads instead of showing every individuals unique portfolio

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>>26121052
>>26121162
Yes, that's natural. Because it was ALL ME
I kept posting about it and mentioning its name to shill it and shitpost at the same time.

>> No.26130030

A filter could be useful to hide any coins you're not interested in, coins you own, large caps etc. which aren't gonna be worth checking this site for.

>> No.26130094

>>26129107
>The underlying factors cause data, and the human mind seeks patterns in that data. It finds those patterns because one can only observe a finite amount of data.

This x100.

>> No.26130127

>>26130030
But then you'd miss the memes that were based on your coin

>> No.26130185

>>26130127
Still useful for coins you're not interested in and things like btc etc.

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>>26129958
>>26117402
Go on warosu (https://i.warosu.org/biz/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=DAIQ)) to check as well if you want. I went on a spree mostly for laughs, meaning the data on the website isn't really accurate in terms of interest for the coin. Most of the discussion was contained within the thread I linked right above, and the price is actually dipping below the shady .20 support. It's absolutely not organic unless you count autistic and forced shilling

>> No.26131005

actually something like this already been done. glad to see some one taking it a step further though
https://getwatcher.net/pages/bubbles/index.html?chan=4chan&board=biz&limit=5&size=1200

>> No.26131289

>>26121052
How do we know the site doesn't lie , or being gamed somehow?

>> No.26131351

>>26131289
why would your fren lie to you

>> No.26131408

>>26131289
you can check the data I think

if the site say 150 threads of shitcoin X exist on /biz/ it also references 150 links you can click

>> No.26131600

>>26123580
Fun? Its fun that the guy wants generals to fuck everything up? Should we make a new thread every time you suck the OP's cock?

>> No.26131711

>>26121052
cool i have thought about doing something similar after the massive LCX shilling.
Whats the tech stack for this web project?
I have an idea for an extra feature how can i contact you?

>> No.26132451

>>26125855
good Q

>> No.26132527

Beautiful work anon. I will use this.

>> No.26132949

>>26123432
You're appreciated!!! Nice

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>>26121052
idk if that 'shill index' is actually meaningful
a lot of pajeet scams will post with multiple ID's, that's more common than a single ID making multiple posts desu

>> No.26133726

>>26131289
I highly doubt this

>> No.26133756

>>26130185
agreed

>> No.26134023

>>26121052
No way XRP gets shilled like that especially here

>> No.26134220

>>26134023
have you seen the schizo threads?