/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>26069902
It was the same before actually. A lot of trash coins were shilled here but LINK was shilled far more heavily. The only difference between now and then is that there were anons thoroughly researching LINK for breadcrumbs when it was only sub 50c and not even in the top 100. I remember it had a volume of only $200,000 at some point..my god how things had changed

>>26069902
Link had a strong cult following but it was one among many. It wasn't that different really.
What you're seeing now are similar projects (AVAX / ADA / DOT / RADIX / etc...) fighting for attention.
Link also didn't have much competition on the oracle space, so it could set itself apart a bit more.

>>26069902
Shilled like any other coin. Just more threads about it than most.

>>26069902
LINK had future success written all over it, but still received ungodly amounts of fud.
Just like AVAX today.

Everyone here acts like they know what link was about yet none of them were here for the ico presale pool
Dyor faggot

>>26069902
jesus christ. this really is the ETH of this bullrun.

>>26070159
too lazy
>>26070190
what is? LINK?

>>26069902
Sort of the same back then. You could tell link was a standout because it wasn’t just pajeet shill threads. There was deep organic conversation about breadcrumbs and critically discussing the chainlink functionality itself. The sort of discussions shillposters can’t fake. The real difference is those deep discussions don’t really happen anymore, probably because it’s enough of a sure thing now that it doesn’t need autists combing it for breadcrumbs anymore. It’s bittersweet watching this thing grow up

>>26069902
It was a lot like now, except with actual higher quality memes and discussions. Not sure what to make of it that the high quality posters dont seem to be around anymore.

>>26069902
I only came here from /fit/ and /pol/ because peak media attention in nov 2017, so I saw req shilled and bought and sold after x2.
Then saw link and bought at 1$, and kept buying since then through the crash until eoy 2018.
Managed to accumulate/swing a 105k stack I'm still holding now, and I still can't believe I'm going to make it even if I already made it since my stack is already worth 2.3mm$ right now.
Still all in, still not selling.
It was so obvious back then, if you were in 4chan for a long time and were used to the autism and dyor for fun and enjoyed the shitposting and the occasional high IQ threads on any board really then it would've been obvious to you, I still haven't even read the whitepaper but something about it hit my brain's g spot, I'm grateful for the anons who spoonfed us at the time, and I did lots of research myself and made lots of memes, but it was the perfect example of a goldmine sitting in front of everyone but only us could see it.
So I spent those 3 years fudding it on *eddit and shitposting here and now I'm a millionaire.
Still miserable though because it's almost impossible today to find a virgin 18 year old girl to marry and have a traditional family with, and the zogs have probably already won, but still I'll experience the downfall of civilization along with everyone else except that I'll be rich as fuck.
Link will pull an ethereum in a few weeks/months, just wait and see, the pump to 200$ will be sudden and violent and unexpected, like all the other pumps.

does anyone have that new year copy pasta of sergey meeting anon at mc donalds and the ground starts shaking?

>>26069902
You see those /XSG/ threads now? It was like that, except the people in the link threads actually made good points. Otherwise it was still just a small amount of talk in a sea of random shit coins and pajeet scams.

If you want the next gem buy Rubic m8

>>26070142
Avax deserves the FUD tho, its fucking shite!

>>26069902
It was different, much stronger energy than for any other coin, threads with actual maxed out discussions and research. The sense of camaraderie also, the best memes. We all knew it was different.

Writing a book on it. Be on the lookout in the future

>>26070544
Same I just became a bonefide millionaire today actually. Hope you find your 18 year old qt

>>26069902
Difference between LINK and other cones was that LINK discussion would be pure misinformation for days or weeks at a time.

>>26069902
Back then there were only a few people on the board and barely any shills because no one was making any fucking money on crypto so we were just feeding each other hopium and posting tonight threads every day.

>>26070739
That’s right, I don’t recall any other coin getting an onslaught of FUD campaigns. You know something is good when people go out of their way to tell you not to buy it

>>26070710
I also had a ~50k stack just a month ago but sold 10k link for grt from 10c to 65c then went back in link, that was a nice swing you shouldn't have missed it.
>Hope you find your 18 year old qt
Already gave up and dating a 6/10 girl my age (28), I'll probably marry her and go through the motions but it's meaningless, I can't bring myself to love a women who had someone before me... I'm just tired, studied too hard, don't need to wagecuck so my degree is just sitting in a closet, thought too hard about everything, got blackpilled as fuck because most people are literal robot monkeys, no meaning to be had or found, I know that virgin girl meme is also just my mind playing tricks on me and all women can be whores and she'll probably just cheat at least once and you'll never know and all your actions towards her from that point onward will be the actions of a blind cuck.

I still hold LINK from its early days
its kind of the same way LCX's community is doing
I learned a real fucking good lesson about HOLDING but then again i became homeless for 2 years and had no access to my wallet so that helped

I missed out on link but I was here for ants. I remember the relentless shilling, I was a poor fag so I told my dad to buy but he just laughed. I think I got demoralized with crypto because I had absolutely nothing to buy in with, so I went back to time wasting boards. I’m almost more sad I missed the community building of early link over the chance to make it.

>>26069902
ive been in and out of crypto and /biz/ since 2017 and link was one of only a handful of coins that I wouldn’t consider shitcoins. it was kinda obvious from the beginning, plus the memes were really good. lotta intentionally fud was thrown around which gave it more credence imo. link has by far the most potential of any coin still. the market cap should be in the trillions in 10 years or so, maybe sooner

LINK gonna pump to $30. will roll some profits into Radix after

>>26071042
how much link do you have now? I'd be crying if I went from homeless to a millionaire desu

>>26069902
Link honestly felt like the most sure bet once I read enough material about it, especially when it wasn’t even a top 100 project. How high it would go wasn’t entirely obvious, but I did know it could only go up from where it was in mid 2018.

>>26070132
>>26070079
>>26070077
This is interesting from a historical perspective. Can see the same thing happened with PRQ. Same thing happening again with ALBT and RADIX....

>>26069902
similar to now, most LINK posts are shitposts about the price and shitcoin shills were flavor of the month. The only difference is now there's a 500% increase on newfags asking stupid questions, and a similar increase on the amount of scams being shilled. People still (and always will) fudded LINK but these days there's so many newfags pretending to be schizos or that they're "part of the club" that it's incredibly cringe. In fact, the cringe is what helped me to know that the top was in at $20. There wasn't a single actual decent post LINK related and it was so blatantly obvious 90% of the people I were talking to bought at $10-15, set a sell order at $19.5 to dump on the newniggers and went to bed comfy.

This is the only spoonfeeding you're gonna get from me; the longer the coin is shilled the greater the chance it isn't a scam (it still probably is though). Pajeets will never keep the more blatant scams running for more than a month before the rug pull, and you can always tell because the shilling doesn't start until after the fucking coin pumped 3 days in a row, THEN they'll tell you. But you should be actually doing your research on the fundamentals or you will unironically never make it. Without understanding the fundamentals behind your investment there's a significant chance you'll sell the first time you see a scam wick, understanding what the coin does is what gives you the mental discipline to hold through the tough times. You could say it's the real difference between being another normie retard that has the attention span of a gnat vs white men (non gorilla niggers) that have foresight for the future. The final black pill is knowing literally anyone can be rich with a few hours of research/work, minimal risk, and some patience, but normal people CHOOSE to be poor.

>>26069902
In late 2017 it was hard to pick out Link because every day there were 100 new shitcoins being spammed here.
In mid 2018 I noticed that the Link threads were the only ones that survived and were discussed with enthusiasm and verifiable breadcrumbs and that's when I decided to go in on it.

There's going to be ALOT of hindsight about how Link was always a sure thing and we all knew. Everyone forgets the relentless FUD and months and years of uncertainty. Don't forget what it took to get here.

It’s honestly a matter of 10-15 years before LINK moons to 4-10k... Bitcoin will be doubled by then. Inflation will have a lot to do with this big price, but for those who have stacks of 1k or more, they’ll be alright in the chaos of the future.

>>26070671
this

>>26069902
There was so much FUD, most of it from Link marines who didn't want normies to buy in low

>>26070379
Been here since early 2017. It never had organic deep conversations lmao

>>26071420
LINK MARINES WW@

>>26070159
>ICO
Which means the SEC will deem it a security and go the way of XRP.

How fucked are we?

>>26070739
Correct. Link was NEVER “shilled”. There was only organic critical discussion and research. If anyone ever asked “should I buy link?” There would be 10 FUD replies written by actual linkies.

>>26071151
My original was only 100 LINK
The lesson I try to tell people getting into what many call scam tokens is if the company looks like something you believe in and the tech is good just HOLD for 2 years
All crypto charts look like this till they don't if it actually had what you believed in
You're going to go to the bottom many times but if it keeps showing signs of life it means somethings there

LINKies got bullied more and the other shitcoins were much, much shittier.

>>26071481
congrats on surviving the wuflu.

>>26071420
this, even back in 2016 where everyone claims it was "muh discussion" it was in reality a bunch of people finding correlations between people sir gay was talking to and speculating on the use case market cap etc etc. but over 50% of the posting was still jokes about the price, toilet flushing noises, red wojaks, etc. Decimal hell was real, in fact it's why I went a year without buying any LINK, I thought it would be sub $1 for another year until that faggot whale killer bumped the price past a dollar (which I think he was the one controlling the bots in the first place)

>>26069902
Find coins with the best memes
Link always had the best memes

>>26071368
>LINK moons to 4-10k
Chainlink will be useless in future. Oracles are not that difficult to create and companies will instictively create bridges to other problems to create interoperability.

https://youtu.be/F2bbh429wtE

personally i knew about the oracle problem before i even had heard of chainlink, so it wasn't a difficult choice to make for me

>>26070700
I knew someone was going to do this

When do you expect it to be finished?

what made link stand out was that it was the only project that tried to do oracles, something both unique and vital. everything else was just eth killers or supply chain meme coins or muh high tps. basically things that had already been done, but attempts to do "better". the token was also not a useless meme meant to enrich founders, but actually needed on the protocol level
the implied connections to the big boys of tech and finance, and the antihype approach was green flags that signaled that it at least was legit
they are still the only serious project doing oracles and are miles ahead of complete jokes like band and api3 (who literally copies and steal chainlink code)
theres also the fact that it survived on 4chan for so long, which nothing does if theres no substance behind it.

>>26071354
Why the fud? why not work 2gether? wtf is this place? it's not even worth fudding/shilling a few hundred users here desu.

>>26069902
I was here from late 2017, LINK was just one token shilled among many. Similar other tokens (REQ in particular stands out in my memory has having being shilled a lot in the same way) came and went with big followings. Everyone was 'looking for the next antshares'. LINK threads were mostly memeposting and were a little more energized than others, but there was the occasional effortpost too. What really set it apart was in 2018 after the crash, these other tokens faded out but LINK remained strong.

>>26071258

Not really, there was a myth behind Link.
You had very convincing larps, uncanny dubs in all Link threads, huge big brain posts about predicting the future of blockchain. Now in retrospect, it kinda predicted DeFi. I haven't seen anything of the sort post Dec 2017.

/biz/ died there and Link OGs became silent.

>>26071522
Having an ICO has nothing to do with being a security.
ETH had an ICO and it was cleared by the SEC.

The only thing that matters is the Howey test, pic related.
Ripple was constantly shilling the price of its token, so it's getting assreamed.

>>26071747
To rest your will.
Only iron hands make it here.

>>26071654
this, sell all your useless stinkies

>>26071737
forgot to add, anyone claiming that their shitcoin is like early link, a hidden gem waiting to be discovered are fucking wrong, no new coin/token fill these criteria:
1. unique and actually useful
2. token needed
no new coin can check both of these boxes. maybe they can do one if they're lucky, most do none

Heavily shilled, to the point of being annoying, like Digibyte.

>>26071747
i fud coins i hold huge stacks of.
welcome to 4chan.

one of a hundred shitcoins. highly memeable so it stuck around here and clicked with people, eventually creating a cult

>>26071908
I got the hint honestly but delet the message to ruin accumulation play

>>26071757

If you were wondering how link was different, we had daily posts correctly connecting the 4th Industrial revolution to Chainlink

>>26069902
I just didnt follow the board as much after the december 17 crash. Chillded off for a few months, would drop by for the occasional breadcrumb thread. I miss the memes from that era, they were something else entirely. Entire parts of the board culture/link lore have been lost, or at least I havent heard them mentioned in 10y. Who remembers those faggots delphi?

>>26071562
>missed the signs
>insists there weren’t any signs

>>26071747
I've held this piece of shit for more than 2 years now. I also hate niggers, kikes, and I ESPECIALLY HATE people who want to just be handed everything without giving back or putting in any effort themselves. You tell me why I should sit here typing out an essay for every new nigger that asks a question they could answer themselves with 5 minutes of googling and not being stupid?

The only time I spoonfeed newfags is if I deem them worthy of making it, and even then it's minimal. just enough to get them to do some research on their own and take a step in the right direction

>>26071258
No, you don’t see ANYTHING like link nowadays. The main reason why is because we are now in a bull market. Biz cannot sustain organic in depth discussion on a project in a bull market. The only anons who stick around in a bear market are smart money who are looking to invest in something for its potential. In a bull market, you have an influx of dumb money which only sees value in terms of price action. The voices of smart anons will be drowned out by newfags until the next btc crash. Link had a dedicated sustained cult following during a quiet bear market precisely because smart money saw its value before price caught up with it.

>>26069902
>>26070077

did anyone actually understood what LINK is supposed to be? Words like "smart contract", "decentralized oracle" and "defi" mean nothing to people who don't have a deep understanding of blockchain technology

>>26072046
what are "signs" nigger? I didn't say there weren't any signs, I said I didn't buy any because I thought the price would remain low and I still had a few months before things got going

>>26072163
Yes, plenty of anons understood the significance of this technology, which is why /biz/ was such a huge part of Link’s ICO

>>26071870
Does hodling work if I fomo'd at 25k? I can't imagine what it must be like for early adopters.

>>26072073
I honestly want things to be that way I think approach is pure based, in the end for their to be winners their must be losers so not all are gonna make it. I might lose much but I will appreciate going the through journey and learning the nooks and crannies of everything and how this place works that filter out those only looking for a shortcut.

>>26070829
Imisd those days, looking forward to the next best market tbqh. You can tell when the bear market is over as soon as blockfolio rate threads start appearing again. In the near market these threads didn't happen.

Also no one's mentioned the most obvious thing yet - link is also SERGEY, & you could tell as soon as you heard him talk that link is the future. This board has not only been obsessed with link, but with Sergey himself. We might make fun of his weight, but we were his biggest fans long before anyone else was paying attention to link. There would always be some anon at any of his talks who would live stream it for biz, and there'd always be like 80 people + watching. Just imagine in mid 2018 when everything has crashed & no one is paying any attention to cryoyo. Sergey gives a talk with like 20 people in the audience (if that if we're honest), but then there's some anon in the front row filming it on his phone & 80 mistfit neets all watching and hanging on sergeys every word. No other project had that kind of deluded and dedicated following, & Sergey I'm sure was thankful for it in the early days

Another anecdote - one night some anon made a thread asking everyone which brand of shirt sergey wears. Cue wesponised autism. It was found to be a certain brand being sold on Amazon, and anons subsequently bought out the entire stock. Which other project has generated such levels of autism?

In webm related, Sergey is apparently asking the guy doing the YouTube stream "are they (ie biz) making fun of me in the chat?" to which the guy replies "no not at all, they're all saying it's 'fundamentally bullish'"

>>26070829
This. Bear market biz was best biz

>>26072115
This is actually a really good summary. I've only been in crypto and /biz/ for the past year or so and I'm looking to take profits sometime this year, but I'll still browse /biz/ through the bear market in the hopes that "the next link" can come along. I was late to link, but I'm yet to find another project which has a small mcap that I would feel safe enough and sure enough of it to put a solid chunk of money into and hold for years

>>26071857
You misunderstand what is meant by "led to expect profits". The chainlink team don't have to explicitly state a price projection or state an ROI expectation, it is enough that someone should only have to reasonably infer these things
https://www.sec.gov/news/speech/speech-hinman-061418

>>26072606
In every case brought by the SEC against a crypto, the projects explicitly promised profits from holding.
Pic is the SEC's case against Enigma, as another example.

Projects like ETH on the other hand were explicitly cleared by the SEC, despite having an ICO.

>>26070700
kek same

>>26070829
>>26072115
I miss those days, looking forward to the next bear market already tbqh. You can tell when the bear market is over as soon as blockfolio rate threads start appearing again. In the bear market these threads didn't happen.

Also no one's mentioned the most obvious thing yet - link is also SERGEY, & you could tell as soon as you heard him talk that link is the future. This board has not only been obsessed with link, but with Sergey himself. We might make fun of his weight, but we were his biggest fans long before anyone else was paying attention to link. There would always be some anon at any of his talks who would live stream it for biz, and there'd always be like 80 people + watching. Just imagine in mid 2018 when everything has crashed & no one is paying any attention to cryoyo. Sergey gives a talk with like 20 people in the audience (if that if we're honest), but then there's some anon in the front row filming it on his phone & 80 mistfit neets all watching and hanging on sergeys every word. No other project had that kind of deluded and dedicated following, & Sergey must have been thankful for it in the early days. The enthusiasm you see from Twitter & the general link comminity now was birthed here.

Another anecdote - one night some anon made a thread asking everyone which brand of shirt sergey wears. Cue wesponised autism. It was found to be a certain brand being sold on Amazon, and anons subsequently bought out the entire stock. Which other project has generated such levels of autism?

In webm related, Sergey is apparently asking the guy doing the YouTube stream "are they (ie biz) making fun of me again in the chat?" to which the guy replies "no not at all, they're all saying it's '*fundamentally* bullish'"

>>26072578
The next link is unironically Linkpool. Less than 800 holders with an equivalent mcap of around #75 on cmc.

>>26072606
Also, please quote the relevant passage in your link.

>>26069902
Fuck yeah, I've been here since 2017 and been seeing these threads about link 1000 EOY every fucking day, which eventually convinced me to buy a little stack. Very grateful for it, /biz/.
The problem though is that now there is no such a consensus on any other coin like it was with LINK before the huge pump and ETH in 2016. I'm sick of seeing a new coin being shilled on biz every goddam week and dozens pump&dump shitcoins.

>>26070379
I've had deep conversations with with anons about PNK, GRT, and PRQ, along with my own research, that cause me to buy these things months ago (GRT as soon as it came out)

>>26072578
If you aren’t involved in DeFi you have been missing out on something big. Liquidity mining has a rep as a big ponzi but you earn ownership stake in the app that entitles you to a share of the revenues. I already earn 3x my annual salary in DeFi interest. A small portion is actual protocol earnings but come on, the expansion is so fast it’ll be no time before you can just live off DeFi permanently

>>26072927
Yikes, ok guy

>>26073100
I'm up a fuck ton my dude, you can keep your yikes

I remember the days Darkcoin, Litecoin, and Dogecoin were shilled on this board. This board picks winners and losers throughout it's history.

>>26070500
they just lurk and shut up

>>26069902
Chainlink has been consistently shilled here for over three and a half years. There is nothing that has been shilled longer except BTC and ETH.

>>26069902
LINK holders were endlessly teased in 2018. By 2019 everyone was hopeless and it was mostly LINK holders making fun of other LINK holders.

>>26071747
because reddit must stay poor
even better than the monetary gains, is dunking on them yet again

>>26072845
how long does it take to make a chart? what the fuck, jonny?

>>26071857

>>26071522
wasn't sold in the US for that very reason

>>26072115
I am pretty much newfag in /biz/, I've been here few times either in 2017 or 2018 (was actually buying some Chainlinks for like 20 bucks, but ended up buying Xtrabytes fraud coin).
Around a week ago I started lurking crypto market again and seeing how much of shitposting is going around here I've made few threads with strong and confident statements just to see what general sentiment is and test waters before diving in.
I think a lot of post like this are people checking and analyzing, at least it is what I like to believe.

>>26073543
>he doesn’t browse biz every day
Ngmi

So whats the realistic ceiling for LINK? Are we just hoping its ETH levels or could it actually pump up to BTC levels eventually?

>>26073949
>BTC levels
Fucking delusional

>>26071747
because you will always sell too early if you don't learn the hard way

>>26073968
100K by 2025 is guaranteed my guy

>>26070500
they ascended and they only FUD now once market sentiment proved the OG's were right all that was left was to FUD reddit and newfags

>>26073949
I think this depends on whether any viable alternatives to chainlink start catching on. If not, I'm not sure what the max it, but it could be 1k+ mid to long term.

>>26069902
Chainlink is like the true Shonen story. Being small from the start going through the tournament arc, and now finally getting to the midgame where it's starting to have cool attacks of their own and getting it's plot armor.
Just you guys wait. Soon it will reach it's Ultra Instict or it's Naruto whatever and such. Then it'll become ready for taking out the final boss... Etherum and BTC

>>26069902
It was very dangerous