/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>24780986
Because it is a meme house that no one normal would ever want to live in so there is not scale/standardization

>>24780986
wtf is this shit

>>24780986

>>24781053


i would definitely live in something like that if it was reasonably priced.

give me my stone wagie cagie

>>24780986
Building the forms etc is far more labor than wood framing. Good luck finding a crew to make that shit.

2 words

Radon gas

>>24780986
>why is X so expensive
>its the cheapest way
???

its not cheap period, especially if you want it to look like OPs picture

>>24780986
That's so beautiful and so ugly at the same time lol

>>24781096


what about it?

>>24780986
imagine that roof collapsing

>>24780986
Check out Auscrete ASCK on the OTC. They sucked donkey balls for a long time, many reverse splits but if they ever get their shit together they'd be awesome.

>>24781096
that's 5 words

>>24781083
This. Have you ever had to pay for concrete delivery and finishers? It is expensive as fuck let alone trying to build a house out of it. Wood framing and plywood is cheaper and easier.

They don't want you to live in a virtual bunker.

Stone and mortar is the best material to build a house out of, literally lasts centuries. Then you just throw up a roof with a wood frame and slap some drywall and insulation on the inside and you're all set. Save the concrete for your bunker in case of ATF siege, and don't forget an escape tunnel!

Lmao have you ever been to Europe? Concrete houses are the standard there. Unlike amerimutts they don't have their houses blown away when a little wind comes around

>>24780986
This sort of design looks suited for a nice outdoor restroom.. Like at a popular well funded park, Disney World, some shit like that. You can just imagine urinals recessed into those walls and hand sensor minimalist sinks.

>no windows
>cold
>hard
>terrible acoustics
>shitty gray
>good luck drilling or renovating
>becomes very ugly after a few years (look at old soviet shit)
>looks like a portal level

>>24781442
a portal level, kek

>>24780986
It's not the cheapest or easiest though. Timber frame with timber cladding is. Concrere and rebar are much more expensive than timber, plus formwork, contractor that knows what they're doing, haulage costs are much higher due to the weight and volume of materials required.

>>24780986
>Its literally the easiest and cheapest way to build a house
Based on what?
Do you actually know what's involved in steel reinforced concrete?

>>24781411

based

>>24781442
Wouldn't a concrete house have incredible acoustics? Imagine playing an instrument in OP's pic

>>24780986
>Cheapest and easiest

It's not, timber frames with rendered plasterboard and a tin roof is way cheaper and easier

>>24781420
>Lmao have you ever been to Europe? Concrete houses are the standard there.
Maybe in your post-soviet shithole, but first world European houses are brick, not concrete.

>>24780986
>Its literally the easiest
confirmed for never having built anything ever

>>24781834
No. It would be echoey as fuck.

>>24780986
I’ve been working in concrete since I was 15, and building a concrete house is my ultimate goal if link really moons.

The best would be a tilt up concrete house where you pour the walls on the ground and lift them into place when they’re cured. You can do all kinds of cool architectural finishes with tilt up, and it would be like a fortress.

>>24781099
This. Shit looks so smooth there had to be a specific method to get it to look like that. Also modern architecture en general is expensive, it’s “art”

>>24782117
>and it would be like a fortress.
No retard, it would shatter the second anyone took a sledgehammer to the wall. You've never even touched concrete in your life holy shit.

>spill any liquid
>slip and bust head open
>gonna need TWO advils

Seems like it would be hard to heat a place like that.

>>24780986
>get too drunk one night
>fall over
>smack your head on concrete floor/wall/stairs
>die

>>24781834
Yes. Exile on Main Street was recorded in an old nazi bunker.

>>24782372
eh, they actually build lots of warehouses and industrial buildings like that here in Canada, and you absolutely would not be able to break them with a sledgehammer. They might crack if you drove a car into them, but even then that's debateable and you would probably need heavy machinery like an excavator to actually break one.
I dont do concrete, but I've worked on shitloads of buildings built exactly like he described, and they're really sturdy and well insulated (there's usually some sort of composite insulating core in the panels).

I think they're kind of ugly unfinished, but with some flashing/siding/faux stone veneer/etc it could look nice.

>>24781442
The soviet shit only looks so bad because they've never heard of a pressure washer.

>>24780986
>Its literally the easiest and cheapest way to build a house
for starters, it's not. for seconds, that house has architectural jizz written all over it and thus it is more expensive. for thirdzies, look at all the stupid angles and custom doors, retarded glass, stupid as fuck trendy death-trap stairs, that all costs. lastly, why in the fuck would anyone ever want to live in a soul-sucking concrete prison like that?

>>24782597
Yes. They had air pollution problems on a level americans will never understand.

>>24781420
Norway & sweden build in wood.

>>24782117
>fortress
>windows
pick one

>>24781420
>they don't have their houses blown away when a little wind comes around
I would pay good money to see the look of abject horror on some eurofag's face if they ever saw a tornado in the distance.

>>24782517
Fun fact I used to pump these with concrete for 12+hours a day

>>24782372
Breaking a thin layer of concrete is incredibly tiresome. If you add a steel armature it's almost unbreakable because the wall will not collapse no matter how big a hole you do.

A full house of naked concrete is kind of depressing though unless you add a lot of wood and plants, it looks good as a bathroom though.

>>24781240
It gets trapped in the house and you get a -15 years on your life expectancy

i think its because theres a low supply of skilled laborers and people with cement companies and high demand of investors wanting to build their houses

>>24782486
>>smack your head on concrete floor/wall/stairs
>>die

this is the type of retard that will say a pound of feathers weighs more than a pound of rocks

>>24781262
Reinforced concrete collapsing okay

>>24782723
that is what ASHRAE is for. you have to ventilate right. that said, concrete buildings are horrid.
>https://www.ashrae.org/

>>24782670
they have tornadoes too you cretin

>>24782372
What a fucking idiot
Go ahead retard, try to break a concrete tilt up wall with a sledge hammer and see how that works for you.

HIDE EVERYONE WE ARE GETTING RAIDED BY /diy/ !!!!!


RUN WHILE YOU CAN!

The only way a concrete house like OP's could be economical is if the house was precast off site in a plant that mass produces them at scale. If that house was formed, poured and finished on site the labor and expense that went into building the forms alone you might as well build the house from wood or brick instead.

Pretty sure the Chinese do precast concrete office buildings that go up in a few days. I doubt OP would want to live in one of those.

The effort for making just a concrete porch: https://youtu.be/-Xl--GD44lo

>>24783010
>Chinese-made building material

>>24781096
This nigga knows

>>24781009
actually commie blocks are quiet popular

>>24782372
commie block in the yugo wars too literal cannon shots by dozens and still standing.

>>24780986
I see this and imagine myself being furious over hairline cracks that are somehow inevitable even when using the most advanced masons.

>>24781053

looks unique and kinda nice plus it doesnt need too many repairs. actually a based house

I like the idea of concrete but I would not leave it exposed on the inside surfaces like that. Drywall and painted white or wood paneling is the way to go for comfy interior. I don't want it to feel like a prison.

>>24781053
Brutalism?
Idk, definitely some jew shit

>>24782083
>doesn’t listen to shoegaze

If you don't make your home out of concrete/ stones, you are still a peasant
No difference between a mud house and shit wooden house. Imagine making all the money in the world while stil living in a wooden castle. All it would take is 1 little spark and your home just evaporates

>>24785880
Idk 2001 was some Jew shit and that’s still p aesthetic

>>24785880
nazi bunker shit, i think you mean

>>24781411
Too basld you have to be a millionaire if you want a real masonry house in the west and not some wood framed faux stone veneer.

>>24780986
i'd spatter paint in random places and hang strobe lights everywhere
put posters n shit up

go to your local freemason lodge and tell them you want a concrete house

>>24785974
>>24785978
Learn about minimalism

>>24780986
>i want to live in a literal prison block

>>24786027
Can I do dmt in your house seems v aesthetic desu

>>24785880
brutalism looks too good to be jewish

>>24782697
Looks comfy tbqhwy

>>24782117
Take the /inflated dome pill/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s-CIihwRNU

>>24786165
God why are Germans so soulless. The way he talks and his dead eyes give me the creeps. Sheesh.

>>24786206
How do you mean?

>>24780986
this is what they took from you

>>24781351
>finishers
Is this required.

>>24780986
>he hasn't heard of concrete logs
https://www.everlogs.com/

Pic related

>>24782697
>unless you add a lot of wood and plants
gonna live in a house like this once I make it desu

Then go build a house out of wet cement retard faggot

>>24787183
gross

>>24787183
>living in a 90s Pizza Hut

>>24780986
that looks like fancy jail

>>24780986
That's cool for about 10 minutes, then it starts to break you down.

On the other hand:

Stone and wood. Textiles and plants to add soul.

>>24786206
They had their soul and culture removed after WWII so that it could never again lead the germans to war.

>>24782842
they have 1/4 as many tornadoes as the USA, over a larger landmass... also no hurricanes or earthquakes (the latter of which is especially devastating to houses made of concrete)

does concrete insulate well?

>>24780986
>poor Mexican makes his house out of concrete
>ew ugly, cheap, no sense of architecture
>some kike makes his house out of concrete
>wow avantgarde, beautiful, expensive

>>24780986
imagine trying to feel happy in waking up here every day

>>24789604
Well its best to just add a few concrete accents to the interior where they look good.
But yeah.. sind people just can't get enugh.

>>24782117
A body need to I reduce you guys to ICF houses. Insulated concrete forms. All the benefits of concrete, none of the drawbacks. The best way to build a house by far.

Wow typo central- somebody needs to introduce*

>>24780986
because it is literally not the cheapest, not easy at all and you're full of shit?

>>24791262
Concrete homes are super easy, you can literally DIY after a few youtube videos if it's the right kind. And cheaper if you consider total coat of ownership and not just cost to build.

>>24780986
guys really live in apartments like this and don't see any issue

>>24791286
you're a fucking armchair idiot who has no idea how anything works

>>24787116
if you want the concrete to be smooth and not look like shit, then yes

>>24791430
I literally built my concrete house dipshit. Took me two weekends to set the forms and 3 concrete deliveries. You being ignorant of what is available does not make everyone else retarded.

>>24791430
Called ICF homes dumbass. At least learn what is available before opening your mouth and looking like a retard.

>>24781053
kek

>>24789065
no, you need a layer of insulation sandwiched inbetween if you don't intend on spending a fortune on heating and cooling.

architect here, monolithic raw concrete is durable and beautiful, but expensive and hard to do correctly, especially diy. the optimum point is a mixed construction: reinforced concrete service core and frame+panel everything else. it also breaks up the brutalist look which can get too intense quick

>>24781096
Yes, that's what I was going to ask. You're fucked in that.

>>24781317
three and a number

Look into SIP panels.
Its pre-fabricated concrete with insulation layer sandwiched in the middle.

>>24780986
Is this the apartment from Gattaca?

>>24780986
Pay the toll to be a property owner. Minimum buy-in to join the club.

>>24782486
TOO drunk?

>>24781099
>>24782348
>>24781351
>>24781477
>>24781507

Coming from ex USSR country, where cheap public housing was built from pre-fab concrete slabs with prestressed concrete. Concrete is the cheapest to build with, if you have large enough gig going on, building a single house - sure it might be even double on what a stick frame would cost, but if you are mid-large contractor, having all your building build like that - its going to be cheaper.
I think its a cultural thing, rather than economic. And it's good. The concrete housing sucks, and after 50-60 years you have to put them down, they are mostly rusted, leaks every where, cant be fixed without expensive specialist crews coming in and using heavy machinery etc.
The stick frame can be fixed with some basic DIY experience and almost no heavy tools or cranes. Also the insulation of the concrete is just awful. The only good thing is, if its 6-8" thick it has better sound proofing, and won't kill you by collapsing on you in a fire, but you still have to repair/change it after a fire, the thing cracks.
Also faulty concrete buildings don't crack in a earthquake, they collapse in an instant, I've seen couple of old unmaintained concrete 5 story buildings from 40's collapse, after light earthquake.

People in that part of the world, dream of cheap american style homes made out of 2x4, but they have the opposite problem - there are not enough expert carpenters in the workforce, so much so that you can pay them above min wage, usually they are charge really high, and the materials are expensive. Metal and metal workers are cheaper, as well as concrete workers.
And, let's not forget the legislative issues, they have bunch of bureaucratic hell rules there.

How much money do i need to build a castle? A literal medieval castle.

>>24792758
Ask the dudes that built one in France. I think the work is still ongoing.

>>24786206
These things are made for emergency shelter calm down sperg

>>24792449
Based. It's cool how we get such diversity of viewpoints on something as niche as concrete houses here

>easiest and cheapest way
That's wood frame, retard.

>>24780986
Because if you trip over it'll hurt your head

http://arbitrajy.asyx.ru/bots/sharing/app3.php?p=ddh4chan&source=4chan

>>24781442
soviet shit looks like that because it hasn't been painted or maintained since the collapse. They were beautiful in the 70s. The few maintained buildings in North Korea today give a good idea. If you take care of the building it can be nice depending on one's taste

>>24787957
based

>>24781009
I think that apartment looks pretty cool.

>>24793196
the colour makes it look even worse, like over seasoning food to hide the fact its rotten

>>24780986
Why don't americans use brick? It's really comfy.

>>24793996
>he doesn't know about the 70s brick crisis

>>24793196
If the sky was red that is pretty much my visualization of hell

>>24792449
read, thanks for your perspective

>>24781069
concrete and stone get cold. horrible surface materials for cold climates

imagine walking on marble floors in -40 temperatures lmao

>>24785880
imagine thinking brutalism is jew shit you fucking mong

>>24782670
Yea its a cringe jewish media reinforced narrative here, laughable..

>>24794143
brutalism was a response to the world wars in Europe.
Psychologically, if your country had been bombed for years straight, you'd feel a lot safer in a building made from concrete that looks like a fortress.

>>24792449
economy of scale

>>24793196
>lets paint a smile on his frown

>>24794143
Ah yes lets eradicate traditional architecture build on unique cultures the world over with crude, intrusive, ugly concrete buildings that make people uncomfortable to be around.
>.

>>24780986
Its the worst for the environment though.
Also it won't be long until spalling completely ruins your life.
It all starts with a pop out and then before you know it your house is rotting from within. All attempts to cure spalling just delay the inevitable.

>>24794314
Not to mention the horrendous acoustics of a concrete box. Good luck listening to music or even having a conversation in a house like that. Could be mitigated some what with acoustic panels but it would cost anlot

>>24794298
Further look up urban theory and the masterminds behind it all

>>24781411
from a builder this is based and true

>>24782639
Not that simple, block houses are usually concrete and single family homes wood or made from some concrete type of blocks

>>24780986
When I daydream about building my dream house, I often imagine it in the brutalist style - but it would be a huge project to ensure that:
>it's safe to live in
>hospitable temps
>sufficient acoustics
>doesn't feel soul-crushing to be inside
>will still feel reassuring to approach from a distance, rather than scary
One of the main challenges aesthetically is that brutalist buildings almost always exhibit a 'function' for public services, be that a library, government office, theatre, etc. In this paradigm, thinking of your basic needs supplied by a house - living, sleeping, eating - as mere functions is unavoidably soul-crushing. The interiors must feel warm and welcoming despite the undertone of grey - pic related is an attempt at that, although it goes a bit too far imo.

>>24792449
first world poured concrete underground house Chad here. None of it is art homo exposed, it's framed drywall tile etc.

The solid feeling to the whole structure is very comforting and it's so quiet, cost nothing to heat or cool would recommend.

That being said it's not a stack of commie slabs

>>24794491
this is an entire room filled with couches

>>24794783
yes it's a lazy approach to making the concrete less soulless.

>>24794804
well it might not be bad to an extent that it is a bedroom at that point

>>24794491
>>24780986
literally takes 1 (ONE ) Layer of drywall and your set to have it looking like a normal wall / area ?? right???

>>24780986
Looks pretty cool, but I hate the anglo "kitchen + living room in one" meme.

>>24781411
Nice, but do you have money equivalent to a king in our age?
If not, tough luck.

why dont they just decorate it

>>24780986
this would be ok for some shitty art gallery
living in this woukd drive me insane

>>24794298
have you ever been in a well maintained brutalist complex? They're designed to illicit the opposite effect and from personal experience I'd say it works. Calming.

>>24780986
Looks shitter than most prisons. Who would want this?

>>24792227
didnt think so.
also i can imagine the anguish the owner would feel when his pretty walls starts to get cracks in them after a few years. i reckon that could happen.

>>24781262
Its concrete, not wood and plaster.

>>24794491
good taste for balance

>>24794927
>drywall
ew

>>24795295
yeah, cracks can be an issue. while I don't mind the look of them, they let moisture get to the rebar and corrode it, which is actually much more structurally damaging than the cracks themselves

>>24780986
formwork is expensive
high quality aggregate is expensive [you want the concrete to be nice]
finishing the concrete and polishing it [pic related] is expensive
heating rods in the concrete are expensive [expensive to heat]
a lot of architecture experience to make it nice and safe $$$

>>24780986
I'd rather a fucking container home than this shit.

>>24795208
this is my alma mater and it's all concrete and trees and it's incredibly comfy

>>24780986
As someone who has renovated a house before, how do you run wires or pipes through concrete walls like that? It must be hell trying to repair anything lol, fixing a leaking pipe would cost you like $50k just to get the equipment to drill into the wall.

>>24796584
yeah after 20 years youd be stuck with a hell of a repair job

>>24792449
Exactly. The Americans in this thread don’t realize what a luxury their perfectly engineered and framed homes are. Want to remodel a room? That’s easy as ripping down sheet metal and moving support. Have a leak? I can fix that in 10 minutes. Want to move a sink? Easy.

Now try that in a concrete home. Remodel? Impossible. Have a leak? Move out because they are going to need a sledge hammer and a week to find it. Move a sink? Forget about it.

Very easy to find a 100 year old wood frame home still standing in America. Can anyone say the same for a concrete home?

>>24783002
Shut up /diy/ is great

>>24780986
Building a tiny concrete house (3 floors of ~20 sqm each) in Tokyo at the moment and it's preposterously expensive. Thought I could get something aesthetic and cheaply priced like the Azuma residence, but modern regulations prevent going pure brutalist e.g. must have a layer of insulation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xasKnR95r4g&t

The structural elements are costly themselves expensive but everything else (pipes, electrical wiring) becomes much more expensive as they all need to be planned beforehand to work into the solid walls. Hoping it doesn't drive me crazy before I get my country residence and then just use this one as a pied-a-terre.

>>24796584
Its possible, but it would require a specific equipment and tools and alot of money.

>>24796139
It makes me nauseous. But I'm drawn to it anyways, always have been.

>>24794314
>spalling
Fuck off Chaim Chong.

>>24780986
Why is there no real estate/architecture/interior design board?

>>24796139
damn looks cozy

is it somewhere tropical?

>>24780986
>>24792227
>>24795638
so houses like OPs pic will get cracks in the shiny concrete? thats shitty, the only point it got was that it combined raw material with sleak and clean looking surfaces, if it got cracks all over that would ruin it all

Other anons mentioned it would be hard to build in the first place, and I'm thinking it'd be hard as fuck to repair or modify as well.

>>24795208
That is hideous anon

Imagine building your house out of anything other than brick with a slate roof

>>24782801
>>24795325
>what are earthquakes

Why aren’t brick houses more common? In the U.K. is brick. You can make it as pretty or ugly and functional as you want.

Why don’t other countries use brick?

>>24800576
You will be dead either way if an earthquake is strong to bring down the ceiling in wood or concrete house.
Also its possible to earthqauke proof a concrete building dude.

>>24800709
kek dude an earthquake willl FUCK your cocnrete/mason house. Actually concrete and masonry have awful sheer strength. A wood-framed house will survive a stronger earthquake than concrete. This is a fact.

>>24780986
With some painting it wouldn't be so bad