/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>24737706
fpbp

>>24737706
Income is irrelevant. Net worth is what matters.

>>24737706
italian sports cars are physically unstable.
the steering tracking is poor.
there's plenty of other expensive sports cars that are more reliable

5-10% of your NW

So you need to be worth 4,000,000-8,000,000. Also, it never makes financial sense to buy a lambo.

>>24737748
WITNESSED

>>24737765
>Also, it never makes financial sense to buy a lambo.

this is the correct answer

>buy fast zoom zoom car that crashes
Armored tanks are truly and always have been patricians choice

>>24737765
>>24737844
>Also, it never makes financial sense to buy a lambo.

I disagree because at some level you need to flaunt your wealth to get more attention which brings even more opportunity

>>24737706
never unless you are a business owner and you lease the car over the company and deduct the lease from your taxable income

>>24737757
Net worth is what matters at some point but for lower net worth individuals what really matters is active income, passive income, and spending. Net worth only matters because eventually either the principle can be drawn down or it produces passive income

>>24737900
I can tell you're a poorfag. This is exactly how you attract the wrong type of attention. The only people that should know you're success should be your potential business partners and male direct male realtives. You don't have to do that with consumerist peacocking, just show then your business and they'll know.

>>24737706
>When does it make sense to own a rapidly deprecating asset that also happens to be an impractical and uncomfortable method of transport and a target for theft and vandalism?
Literally never, even if money is no object. For lambo money you'd be better off getting a maybach and employing a full time chauffer.

>>24737765
>4,000,000-8,000,000
this.
trying to own a supercar with less than this is faking and you will get found out and properly shamed.

>>24737930
This and make sure to use the lambo to get profit, like post about how you got that lambo on instagram and scam people into your crypto trading premium tips

>>24737706
Get yourself a used Audi RS6 instead

>>24738041
>scamming insta retards

This

>>24737706
Wouldn't buy it if I had 100 billion $.
Too autistic to pull it off, at best I'll drive a safe good suv volvo, I don't like the attention.
I don't need to go fast since it'll never reach its potential except in germany and I don't live there.
It's too noisy and I don't want to accelerate/decelerate too much while driving, I'd rather have something with autopilot to do the minimum necessary and shitpost while going from A to B.

>>24737760
Like? I heard McLaren is worse

You can actually just buy a used lambo that has done the large part of it's depreciation and then rent it out on turo and even turn profit from owning it, especially if you live somewhere like Cali

>>24738045
A stationwagon? Fuck you

>>24738194
>pick up chicks
>drive them around in ur station wagon
>put the seats down to violently rape them

Can ur lambo do that?

>>24737706
probably never worth it but it can be a frivolous small expense if you are really wealthy.

>>24737706
It literally never makes sense to buy one of these meme cars. The entire point is that it's a flex on how much money you can waste

>>24737706
I'd rather have a normal looking car but with the engine from that car hehehe

>>24737706
Unless you live near a Lambo service center, it's not worth it. The car will own you in constant service and maintenance.

>>24738194
Actually usable automotive body-style

>>24738119
how about a fucking porsche considering you can use them as a daily driver and it wont constantly need maintenance/is a paperweight past 100k miles and you pay a fraction of a supercar with similar performance

>>24738431
>porsche
>german
>wont constantly need maintenance

>>24737844
>what is an appreciating asset
You can buy a super car and then sell it for more than what you paid a couple years later as long as you keep the mileage low

>>24737930
>>24738041

how do you do this exactly? rent it out to people making music videos?

>>24738431
>and you pay a fraction of a supercar with similar performance
Well if that’s what you think, then a corvette would be better than a Porsche

>>24738374
Don't know about lambo but Ferrari now offers 7 years free service and maintenance on all their supercars now.

>>24738542
Rent it out by the hour or day. They can do whatever they want with it, whether it be shooting a music video, arriving at a wedding, or just cruising up the coast for a day

>>24737900
This is how you get carjacked by some nigger and attract "friends" who couldn't give a single fuck about you if it weren't for your money.

>>24738667
This. It's likely that you can also use it for charities for massive tax deductions.
Lots of charities have auctions and you can just give them a certificate to auction that says the service is a part of the "$25,000 experience package" And then boom. You can deduct roughly half of that off taxes because that's the proclaimed value of the service.
If you offer your service to charities to be auctioned, saying you're offering your premium package deal, then you get to deduct that much. If you do that five times a year, you just saved a whole 2 years salary for some people. Of course depending on how much your getting taxed.
Not to mention the business expenses you can deduct, like insurance, gas (sometimes), etc.

>>24737765
This sounds right. 1mil-3mil is not enough because the house and other investments come first.

>>24737706
Old gallardo, just jokin nobody buy those shitboxes. To afford new lambo networth should be atleast 5 million$

>>24738041
wow impressed there are still smart people on /biz
>>24738542
use it for business you can say you use this car for client meetings etc. or you can rent it out etc. depending on what kind of business you have. Most people on youtube that do those BUYING 20K worth of Gucci yt videos deduct those things as a business expense since they bought them for a video.

>>24739075
>>24738667
but then how do you claim it as a personal item? do you wait a year after you deducted and it's no longer a business expense?

lambos are cringe

>>24738045
>Audi RS6

Meh, get a Camaro in a flashy color with some good-taste esthetic mods imo
BMW/Benz/Audi are generic af, no one cares about them anymore

>>24739130
you can still use it in your fucking freetime everybody does that. It's not your item it's your companies item but nobody gives a shit most nice cars i see here in Switzerland are owned by ''companies'' because only business owners can afford them

>>24739329
fuck off mutt

>>24739382
>mutt

Even better if you're yuropoor, Camaros must be rare af over there

You can also get the ZL1 if you want to bully other sport cars

>>24739473
This. If I was living in Europe and was rich as fuck, I’d drive around in a bright red lifted 1970’s Chevy pickup with a souped up supercharged big block v8 and straight pipes. The europoors would fucking shit when they see it kek. I’d have a custom liscense place that says “5MPG” or whatever the faggy metric equivalent is, and then I’d go around town doing burnouts and ripping up people’s front lawns

>>24739769
Based, I have never been to Europe myself, but I'm under the impression the vast majority of cars over there are tiny Peugeot/Citroen econoshitboxes

>>24737706
Lol thats obviously not his car he has no idea how to get out of it.

>>24739329
Thanks, but no thanks.

Love me some Quattro 4-wheel drive system and a car I can feel safe driving around no matter what speed and where.

Don't give a single fuck about "generic" or not.
I just love the look of a sporty station-wagon with almost 800hp and nearly 1000 Nm of torque after chiptuning

>>24738535
>You can buy a super car and then sell it for more than what you paid a couple years later
Not with a supercar - with hyper cars, always.

>>24740171
Never been either, but pretty sure you’re right. I’ve been to Southeast Asia, and the biggest non-commercial cars on the road were ford rangers and toyota hilux’s. All the cars are tiny shit boxes

>>24737760
Cope.

>>24738827
Superjew

>>24740305
You might be right actually, I stand corrected

I’d never buy a brand new lambo anyways, I’d get a 2005 Ford GT or an 80’s/90’s Ferrari

To point where you can comfortably afford it, maintenance, and insurance while also affording your actual needs/putting some moneu to retirement. And you don't have something you'd rather have that you have to forgo.
this is a wildly different number for different people.

>>24740171
Go to germany and drive on the autobahn you will shit your pants, there is no speed limits and people take their toys to play.

Buy a manual Lamborghini murcielago lp640. Gonna run you around 200k, which is less than half the price of a new one, the best sounding car ever made, and is the last manual lambo ever made. These will never stop appreciating in value.

For bonus points, get it in bitcoin orange and get a big ass bitcoin symbol on the doors.

>>24740171
Germany is full of German cars unsurprisingly (audis, mercs,bmw etc), hardly any jap or Korean cars

t. Knower

>>24737760
technically lambos and ferraris are german made not italian, only name is italian. lamborghini was purchaes by volkswagen time ago, so it's basically a fast volkswagen! :)
originally lamborghini was a tractors manufacturer thats where the idea of powerful engine came from

>>24740171
Well, then you are in for a surprise when you find yourself here.

>>24737706
Lambos stink of basic bitch new money. Get a Lotus or a Porsche if you want a real sports car. If you must have something Italian, get a vintage Alfa Romeo.

>>24739329
>my 16 year old daughter fucks niggers: the car

>>24740207
Well yeah if you can't drive for shit obviously get your AWD Audi Dad-wagon
At least go for a picrelated or something if you have that kind of budget

Real men drive RWD V8-V12 cars with a 6-speed manual. And as far as having 800hp/1000torque on a car, that's honestly useless, unless you live on the Autobahn. You'll either never make full use of it, or get into serious trouble with the law if you're a good driver and love to go fast

>>24740507
It's true on farm sim you can get Lamborghini tractors

>>24740171
no pickup trucks, less large suvs. supercar hubs are mostly london central, zurich and monaco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J4nEBPohss

>>24740507
>technically lambos and ferraris are german made not italian
But where are they MADE? Because unless they’re assembled in Germany, they’re not German made

>>24740507
Who is that dude?

Just join HARVESTER pre-sale and buy 2 lambo!
EASY
https://harvester.network

>>24737706
Why drive a lambo when you could drive an eBussy

>>24740802
Whats that things center of gravity? Looks like a wrong turn and it will fall over.

>>24737900
Your IQ is showing

>>24740692
Fuck, I knew it

Big truck is superior flex

>>24740802
It actually looks like it has autism

>>24741139
The eBussy and I have that in common

Just get a Mazda MX-5 ND2

>You dont have any friends so why more than two seats?
>You are not bigger than 6 feet so you will fit fine
>Not too fast to kill you
>Reliable even when you thrash it around
>Still loads of fun

>>24737706
I laugh at people that drive those cars. They look so uncomfortable. Boomer Neighbor drives one. He can barely get out of it like op.

>mfw biz is a better place to discuss cars than /o/

>>24741282
Cool, you should buy one
You'll have some awesome adventures in it, I'm certain

>>24737706
Bitch, get urself some ORO now, hodl for a while, and then in a few years buy all the fucking Lambos u want.

I want a G wagon, which is like way better, but if u like lambos then go for it, never give up

>>24737706
Don’t be fucking dumb, invest ur money idiot. Cars are a fucking liability, did u not read Rich dad, poor dad??
Robert kiyosaki would tell U to invest in ALBT, ocean, front and other defi projects.
Listen bitch

>>24737765
1000% agree. Never thought I’d ever agree with someone on 4chan, but I guess not everyone here is a dumb fuck like the lambo guy

>>24737706
Bitch, buy stocks, buy businesses, fuck even invest in defi projects if u must, buy don’t buy a lambo, the fuck

>>24737706
U need to have an income level that Is the same amount that ALBT holders Will have in their bank account once this alt fucking explodes

>>24737706
When you are Steve Jobs Rich

>>24737706
Use the money to invest in defi, and then u can buy a better car, lambos are not that great anymore.

Put that finance in Ramp, Oro , ALBT, or XDB

>>24737706
It's never a good idea to buy an Italian car.

t. Actual auto design professional

At least 8 figure networth, plus a positive monthly cashflow. Then you can get your faggy italian car

>>24741549
you need to go back

>drive a lambo
>get carjacked
>drive a Knight XV
>laugh at attempts to carjack you from behind armored doors and bulletproof glass

>>24737706
Never, unless your old and want to enjoy the rest of your life before you rot in the ground.

>>24737706
Owning a lambo does not make financial sense. Buy a normal car and a normal house

>>24737706
N-nani?!

>>24737706
>how do I know OP is a cuck

You only need a “look at me car” if you are insecure.

>>24742873
>normal
Toppest of keks. Normal is exactly what I do not want to be. If normal was the goal, I’d just settle for being a normal broke ass wagie, and skip all the trouble of getting rich.

You can keep your normal car, normal house, and normal income. I’ll take the lambo and an 8 figure net worth

>>24743111
Wealthy folks do not speak of there wealth. Work less then 10% of the year.

Rich cucks try to impress the wealthy
and seethe through drugs , sex abuse, gambling, etc. still have to wake up at 5am for the daily wagie.
Get to work anon.

>>24737706
No one who owns a lambo, has actually paid for the lambo. Except niggers maybe.
When you incorporate your properties and your income sources you just take a corporate loan and use it to buy a lambo, then declare it a company vehicle and write the loan off taxes as a business expense.

If you are lazy you can just buy yourself one as a director's bonus and write it off partially.

>>24737706
Buying a lambo with less than $10 mil in disposable income is fucking retarded

>>24743069
Your ever consider the fact that some people have supercard because they’re supercars and are fun to drive? Not everything is about showing off. Only a sad faggot has the mentality that you do.

>>24740626
The car you posted is a fucking 6cyl you absolute retard.

>>24737706

have no desire for a lambo

i just want a place to stay where i can neet and rot

i don't care material objects. i just don't want to be a wage cuck

>>24737706
No income or net worth will justify buying a piece of useless mechanical nigger magnet.
Sport cars are the men equivalent to bimbos expensive designer bags.
You can't just drool for a lambo and tell me that your IQ is <100.

>>24737706
i know a guy with ~400 btc who became the literal lambo meme. he got it impounded running away from the police and is in jail now lmao

For me, it's the Fiat 500. I'll have to get over to Italy and buy one at some point as they're only around 5k.

>What does your income level need to be before it makes good financial sense to buy a lambo?

When you're going to go bankrupt anyway. Value will divide by 2 the moment you drive it off the lot so you've just fucked the bank.

>>24741306
>Mazda MX-5 ND2

Does it get you a lot of cred with the girls at the salon?

>>24737706
lambos are shit by a Ford GT

My make it vehicle is a Kübelwagen.

The only people who buy lambos are people that got rich in a one off lucky shot at a young age. No one (white) with a high net worth is going to buy that shit and there's plenty of evidence that the wealthy mock people for buying lambos. It's the multimillionaire equivalent to being trailer trash

>>24744303
this

ALSO, BUY A FUCKING RANGE ROVER, FUCK LAMBOS

>>24740692
That is clearly a female

>>24737706
>Argentinian buys a car

>>24737900
>t.poorfag

>>24740367
why 2005 specifically?

>>24737706
Good financial sense?
Never.
Unless you race cars for a living.
I think that you mean at what level is it okay to throw away 500k just for fun without affecting your wealth by any noticeable percent. So probably at least Lambo x 100 at a minimum.

>>24737900
I know of a guy that did this. Day traded his way to a ferrari and used that ferrari to get into ferrari clubs and network, making him shitloads of even more money

>>24740626
>>24744400
and it's an auto only lmao

>>24738431
good look working on that midengine

>>24737706
it never makes financial sense to buy a lambo
you only buy it to flex on poors

I'm going to get a tesla roadster or model s and put a ford taurus gen 3 body kit over top of it, rice it out to make it as gaudy as possible then flex hard on the lambo owners who think they are hot shit.

people make fun of grown adults playing video games but I really don't see how obsessing over cars is much different

>>24737706
It never makes sense financially , but rubbing it in your frenemies face making them cry while they are wagecucking is worth every lost penny.

>>24737706
People don't care about what car you drive. A fast car used to mean you had a lot of knowledge and skill to drive and maintain it. Also I guarantee that fag is leasing that car. Vintage cars are what turn my head, seeing a supercar made today just blends in doesn't even cross my mind to look.

>>24748989
>>24748949
>>24748434
>>24737760
>>24737975
>>24738110
>>24738272
>>24738322
>>24738347
>>24738374
>>24739288

>t.seething poorfags mad they take the bus in the morning to wage

>NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT BUY A SUPERCAR THAT MEANS YOU'RE NOT A LOSER LIKE ME

As long as you can reasonably budget for the cost of repairs, insurance and upkeep then whenever. If it makes you happy and you can afford it then who cares? I will say modern Lamborghini's have become extremely common and the typical Nuevo Rich go to. My first make it car will be the Lexus LC500H in mountain green with the tan top. After that a Lexus LFA.

>>24738119
Indeed. I visited the local McLaren dealer - their service center was fucking wall-to-wall cars, talked up a tech ... doors won't open, car won't start, mystery problem. Apparently they need battery tenders if they're parked for more than a few days. They look great, but shit - they spend a lot of time in the shop.

>>24737765
>>24744303
Are we destined to remain poor even after making it?
Even with 10 millions I can't justify spending money on anything else than basic survival as I have no way of knowing if I will keep my wealth for more than a few years.
It feels like I need some kind of therapy to recover from this mindset when I make it.

>>24737760
cope Hans

>>24738172
Used cars sell for cheap for a reason. Old lambos are moneypits for servicing & parts, and an old one will need work, esp if your renting it out. If parts are no longer available it gets even worse.

I bought an Audi R8 V10 in 2017. Basically the German Lambo. Sweet ride, but it cost way to much when things went wrong, so I traded it for the TTRS. Almost as fun, and way less attention grabbing. After a while, the attention the R8 got was kinda annoying, especially from cops.

>>24745333
You can't just tell me you don't know the difference between greater than and less than and your IQ is >100

>>24737844

A man of knowledge and good taste among plebs

>>24737706
$10k-$20k depending on mods

>>24737706
If I have 10 millions or more, I'll be getting one for sure.

>>24750119

No anon you want to keep that mindset. Paranoid people fucking stay alive.

'The lifestyle' is for psychopaths who can easily spot and play ball with other psychos. If thats not you, and you go out trying to be a lambofag you will get eaten alive.

That is only one sector of the rich community. Sometimes the rich guy is the fat boomer at the store who looks like he just rolled out of bed driving a 20 year old sedan.

>>24750119
no you can change anon i used to be like you i had that mindset when i was poorer than now and i was making way less money than now. As soon as you ''figured'' out the system and that you are capable of making your money back even if you lost it all makes you confident enough to buy expensive toys. Learn to make money and that money isn't scarce that it lays around everywhere you will be able to make it.

>>24751965
$15k-$30k

>>24752088
$20k-$50k

>>24752123
$40k-$80k

>>24737706
It never makes financial sense to buy a lambo. The point is you have enough money where it just doesn't matter

>>24752139
A honda is not a lambo

>>24752139
Point I'm trying to make is there are so many cars that cost a fraction of that Lambo, are just as fun, and have way more personality.

>>24739329
No one ever cared about your mutt cars

>>24737706
>buy a lambo?
Clearly you can see it's a nigger car
Shit tastes/10

>>24752181
A good driver in a NSX can beat that Lambo around the 'Ring

>>24737760
Cope harder
McLarens are trash
Mercedes and Porsche don't have the same swagger and look boring af

>Ctrl +F Aston Martin
>0 result
lol

>>24737760
>The steering tracking is poor

Just admit you know absolutely nothing about cars

>>24737706
Buy an used NSX NA1 for 50k which is way better than any ferrari/lambo and you'll actually look like someone that's a car enthusiast not a retard luxury nigger

>>24737706
Mathematically and commense wise about 4 mil in fiat and 1 mil in property

I wouldn't buy a lambo or equivalent useless car even if I had a hundred times the net worth of Jeff Bezos.

>>24739769
>>24739473
As a Europoor that would have been the last car I would've bought. Who the fuck wants to driver a burger car when you can drive European ones?

>>24748164
There's only like 4k in the world. built for fords 100th anniversery its a modernized street legal version of the 1960s gt40 that won like 5 lemons races back to back.

Its not a practical car for everyday driving but its definitely a collectors item.

>>24739329
>Camero
Nigger.

>>24737706
>Buys a car that can do 200+ MPH
>Can only do maybe 90-100MPH on an empty highway where there's no cops unless he takes it to a racetrack.
Kek

memes aside it's impressive how every car thread is 10-20iq point lower than the rest of /biz/ (excluding shitcoin shills, obviously)
that in itself should answer your question re: financial sense of buying a lambo. lol at that other retard upthread who got fed a story of networking from his drug-peddling friend

>>24754433
Haha yeah what an idiot LMAO. Should just drive mom's Camry like us.

>>24749518
Based Toyota Chad

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-jazz-1-3-automatic/264963823236?hash=item3db1131684:g:MZ4AAOSwtBZfygVJ

>>24754713
I fucking love my camry

>>24737748
Newfags are so retarded

It is not easy to find a good platform with crypto solutions to invest in.

Came across on DuckDAO, read twi posts of crypto pros. Seems like it is an open platform with an investment system. Have you read/found anything about it?

$KILL is live on Uniswap. It just hit 100% in 4 hours. Gonna hit 200% by tomorrow.

https://app.uniswap.org/#/swap?outputCurrency=0xb85c54b5fcb21d90ebf4737e2149d4aacc9f45bb

All sports cars are what we call in my country "hairdresser cars", aka fagmobiles.

It's full-size truck or nothing. Even in Europe.

>>24737706
If you cant buy 3 of them , you can't afford it.

>>24737844
You're not buying a lambo as an investment though.
The only reason to buy a lambo is to have a supercar that makes wagies seethe. It''s like saying "It doesn't make financial sense to buy Cyberpunk 2077" No, you buy the game because you're a onions and it entertains you.

>>24740507
why do you /biz/ fags keep posting trannies?

>>24755232
Based

>>24737706
used 2017 GTR for me

Just bc I want to go fast and it won't attract too much attention from retards who don't know cars. Extremely modifiable to go faster than a hypercar and fairly inexpensive to buy and maintain compared to anything of its performance level.

>>24737706
you must pay off your house before buying a lambo. I can't wait to have one parked outside my 300k shitbox house

Why would you want the lambo when that beautiful GTR is sat there?

>>24737748
Haha checked!!!

>>24737757
Net worth is an absolute meme
Here ib India, our land prices zoomed crazy in the 2000s. A 200 sq yard piece of land in South Delhi costs $2M. Boomers who owned pieces of land that were worth $1k (literally) in 1980 are now multimillionaires on paper

Right next to my house is a boomer who works in a shit job and literally makes $400/month. But the shitty, horrible house he lives in is on a piece of land worth $3.5M. And the demand is so insane that he can sell tomorrow if he wants to - he's just too much of a boomer to move from the shitty house he has lived in all his life.

Net worth is a meme. Cash flow is all that matters

no

These threads are always so cringe

>>24752215
>mercedes looks boring
Gtfo, faggot.
Porsche is not the best looker but at this moment it completely obliterates the competition in all other aspects, best sportscar at the moment. You only simp for Italian supercars because it's cool and you think you'll get chicks with them which you won't.

>>24752955
Fuck off with your gook cardboard boxes you call cars.

>>24753843
This. Amerimutts think we actually admire their cars instead of laughing at their useless wheelbarrows they call cars.

>>24759900
You will never be White.

>>24759920
Says the amerimutt.

>>24737900


I make 104k working in DeFI and every multimillionaire I’ve personally known pretends they make my salary and everyone that makes my salary pretends they’re a multimillionaire. There’s a reason for this.

I’ll never forget when I first talked to my dad about my first paycheck, he took me aside and told me “son, you want to be wealthy, you don’t want to have nigger money” which caught me off guard when I was in my twenties and a liberal. Never heard him use that word before. Now that I’m 30 and I see all of my coworkers still bitching about the same shit they were a decade ago (car payments for shit they don’t need, rent, luxury priced goods) I understand how based my dad was

>>24759968
Its because for the people that flex money, 95% of them are just trying to hide their insecurities in some way through exorbitant shows of wealth.

Like if you enjoy cars then that's cool, but things like lambos and ferraris are like the Rolex of the car world, things that poor people think rich people get, when really rich people have things they have never heard of before. It is basically a set up from those early 20s fuckbois wearing their 'designer' fashion like moncler/ givinchy/ gucci clothing with gaudy logos plastered everywhere, and goofy balenciaga sneakers.

I get the appeal of a lambo. I really do. But you can have the same fun for pennies in comparison whilst not flaunting your wealth. Literally the only point of a lambo is to flaunt which is really not something you want to be doing, particularly nowadays. And it's also very poor taste in cars. It's comparable to buying a Hublot if you're into watches. Everyone with real money looks at it and cringes.

>>24742378
THIS
Also, if shit hits the fan you always can fuck off to the mountains on this in no time.

>>24738034
THIS. I worked in a country club and made friends with some of the members cause their kids went to school with me. Rich people are amazing at figuring out how much youre worth. Its second nature to them kinda like how figuring out what hood youre from is natural to niggers. They will always find out and you will never be able to pretend to be one of them. And when they sense it they will humiliate you like no other. Ive seen a guy bet his audi on a friendly wager, you will never have that kind of balls. "In time" the movie does a really great job at showing the division between rich and poor and how quickly people notice you're from a different world. Poor people hustle and shuffle cause they literally have to run to get things done. Rich people worry about nothing, they dont check their portfolio everyday, they dont spend excessive time reading the news because they can just ask their financial advisor about anything they need to know, they dont travel to get their own things cause they have someone that can get it for them and they can literally afford to have someone else raise their kids. Even if you do cozy up to them and make enough money to hangout with them and even maybe marry one of them...someone somewhere will ask you what your grandpa did for a living and everyone's gaze towards you will change when you answer