/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>24608900
best language for a functioning autist

>>24608900
Omg im so bored what does this have to do with getting rich off crypto

What's the best way to resume fluff? From what I understand that's more important for actually landing a job unless you want to work at a FAGMAN company.

>>24608900
ok, and how i show that motherfuckers that i know how to code?

>talks about pajeets
>gives code monkey CRUD advice
hey, OP, kys!

what stack do you use, and what jobs did you chase.

>>24608920
true autists write C or asm, which is why i write the polar opposite: javascript and java

>>24608976
whats happening in the industry right now is really fucking corrupt. ask any 3rs party recruiter, companies are demanding "5+ years of experience". my honest advice is to pick 2 start ups, say you worked there for 3 years a piece, and just really know your shit when you go into the interview so it can look convincing enough. and obviously dont say what year you graduated from college. a few years ago i didnt want to reveal this secret but i think its pretty common knowledge now that zoomers are getting fucked in the ass with age discrimination and now were all gonna be replaced with H1Bs again

>>24609060
Big tech is running out of $$$ so they're gonna focus on cost savings

Its why 'lern2code' and H1B visas have been the drumbeat a decade lol

>>24608994
write some toy programs where you demonstrate generating random strings or numbers, putting them into an object, making a few of those objects, putting them in a map or an array, sorting that array based on biggest number or something like that

if you can do all that then the next step is just grinding leetcode problems like Math.sqrt(), two sum, LRU cache, print primes, top k most frequent elements, traverse binary tree, things like that. ive been asked all of these in amazon fb and mid tier company interviews

>>24609051
i love pure html css js for displaying things in a browser or moving things around on a screen, and i prefer nodejs or java for backend stuff (storing data, application server logic, transport over a network or among different systems)

ive also written python, kotlin, c, c#, and sql, none of which i like very much

chase w2 jobs through "staffing agencies", as these jobs are real and not hazing events like all FAGMAN interviews are

>>24609060
>whats happening in the industry right now is really fucking corrupt. ask any 3rs party recruiter, companies are demanding "5+ years of experience
It makes me laugh to see jobs that are listed as "entry-level" ask for 5-7 years of experience.

Thanks for the advice. I've had the misfortune to graduate right in the middle of this Covid shit and haven't had much luck yet so I'm starting to get a bit desperate. Don't suppose it'll hurt to try, but due to how recently I graduated I think I'll just pretend I had a bunch of good internships instead of two poor/mediocre ones.

>>24609131
i think the "lern2code" stuff geared towards business analysts and 19 year old girls is just like social justice marketing distraction shit from middle managers and corps

but the H1B floodgates that are about to be reopened is gonna probably fuck up this golden gooss for white males for good. from 2016-2020 it was like the easiest thing in a world to get a fat fucking paycheck from thousands of different US corporations, no need to invert a binary tree and answer behavioral questions. but now theyll just give all the jobs to the lowest bidder. its really hilarious how no white guys can move to india or china on a tech visa, but they can move here, 200k people every year

>>24609133
I already know how to code. Got a 4/5 on the apcs national exam in hs and already took more college courses in advanced programming etc. how can I make money on the side? Rn just doing advent of code in c(I hate c) while waiting for next semester. Thx :)

>>24609190
Big Tech needs profit every year but its getting crowded so its time to take those big fat wages and stuff them into H1B visa dorms

Muh neoliberalism

is there any high salary potential in IT?

>>24608900
What is your job title? How do you make 280k?

>>24609180
good luck senpai. i highly highly recommend trying to befriend some of the recruiters and asking them for resume advice like, how to make your resume worth being submitted and likely to get a call back

zoomers are too honest and upfront right now in my experience (which is how any normal human should be , but this situation calls for dirty tactics)

i just tell them everything they want to hear and come prepared for questions on anything, sys design, spring boot, leetcode, multithreading, denormalization, fuck it man ive been asked it all, just give your best 20 second answer and if you dont know it tell them straight up. its a big ego contest

what should I do to get hired, 2nd year cs student and that cant just be it...I just want a fucking job so I can invest and another 2 years of online classes is shit

>>24609226
senior software engineer, work for a big company in a big metro area and catch a break with stock options/bonuses and youll be pulling that in

otherwise expect around 130 to 150

>>24609225
maybe in dev ops? like build pipelines and kubernetes and cloudfront? if youre talking physical data center shit, probably your only hope there is a management position. i dont know enough about it to say, but big corps view servers and data centers as cost centers rather than innovation centers, sadly

>>24609207
yup. fuckin bullshit. its the same things they did to the factory workers at GM. politicians and CEOs gain nothing if the middle class skilled worker is able to make a savings

>>24609202
if you want to go down the path of operating a business, which is very risky and time consuming, all you need to do is make a service that is really helpful in people's lives that nobody else does. MtGox is the perfect example of all of that

I already learned what you say I need in Python and can do stupid shit programs. But I still dont have the confidence to abandon my career (journalism) for something with a higher pay. How to trust my knowledge?

>>24609258
grind leetcode, study system design (kafka vs rest, sql vs nosql, api design), find a legitimate business that is willing to pay you and act as a reference for you if asked. work experience is the new college degree sadly. i got dicked on student loans 10 years ago too lol. find a small company who needs you to commit the monkey user stories, take 30 interviews before you land your first job, etc

and nobody will ever ask shit about your compilers or OS course or math. theyll ask about data structures and time complexity analysis though usually

>>24609243
Thanks man, appreciate it. I find it hard to keep up the positivity these days but your post helps.

>>24608900
>instantiation
this is useless

>>24609347
take the interviews on the side, i also abandoned a non cs career to do this. but not by choice lol, i was laid off back in 2014 and had a real hard time finding a job in the same role. take the interviews for fun if nothing else, youll find all your blind spota quickly and advance really quickly

also journalism is lucrative? do you enjoy it? i actually enjoy being a code monkey so its something to consider

>>24609359
anything is possible if you try enough times and keep refining your game, 2 years ago i was broke asf!

remember when those guys in north dakota were making 200k a year with no college degree moving oil equipment from point A to point B? thats whats happening right now. just a big money shell game. try to get your foot in the door somewhere and dont overthink it too much, also try linkedins easy apply feature for all jobs in united states

>>24609379
>implying 70% of companies arent doing the following

var x = new FactoryBuilderEventFactory(factory = new Factory(), builder = new Builder(), event = new Event(), iFactory = new Factory<Event>)...

not all of us get to write callback hell js man

>>24609385
I love it but not only is it not lucrative, you also live with the fear of being laid off any time. Thats why I’m opting out.

>>24609460
any company using js is garbage packed in dogshit

>>24608900
don't do it
learning to code is guaranteed to turn you gay

>>24609485
get on this coding train asap man fuck it, you can always go back, just make sure your bases are covered. 5 months of a coding job salary will cover 3 years of unemployment if shit ever hits the fan haha, especially when you can work remotely from a $500 a month studio apartment in west texas

>>24609497
node and just plain old vanilla js are quie comfy and productive in my opinion. if you are just prototyping something and dont care too much about performance or edge cases, js is way more iterative than java or c

>>24609420
god bless you anon

>>24608900
Have you ever used sharepoint? I’ve been a SP dev for 9 years now

>>24609586
only a bit, its just a place where "enterprisey" teams host files and shit right? thats all the experience ive had with it. how do you like it?

>>24609579
good luck :)

>>24609536
aint no shame up in ma game YERRRRTTT

Graduated with no experience with a niche engineering degree in a stagnant industry.

Have an offer to be locked into a 2-yr DevOps contract where they don't expect me to know much, but learn quick, the trade-off is that the pay is only clearing $40,000/yr those first two years.

Do I cut my losses now and double down onto DevOps? Figure those two years will be good to springboard after I finish.

My first experience in coding was a Biostatistics class that was heavy in Perl and some other minor non coding programs. I struggled mightly with Perl but did pass the class. I found it all unreasonably frustrating spending hours trying to just debug all my errors only for my outputs to be incorrect or incomplete. Are other languages less frustrating than others or is it just part of the trade?

>>24609769
Try python or Swift no cap. They’re pretty friendly with beginners

>>24609657
How many man hours to make a scamcoin?

>>24608900
Any thoughts on API3? Can it really succeed?

>>24609769
If you managed to get through a Perl course and actually understood some of it, you are more than ready for other languages. And yes, basically everything is less frustrating to grasp than freaking Perl in 2020.

>>24608900
I want to make apps. Should I just skip the web shit and learn Swift?

>>24609710
You'll want to kill yourself doing DevOps, it's the same shit every time and you only ever change a config file. Get out asap unless you're fine doing monotonous work for 70 years

>>24609657
File sharing, collaboration, and also creating apps/tools for enterprise users. That’s where the bulk of the work is. So like if you wanted a help desk system for your team instead of buying one you get your sharepoint guy to build it instead

>>24609710
is this in the USA? is health insurance provided? 40k is extremely low but if its your very very first job then maybe. be careful with the contract wording. realistically you should be making around 90 coming out of college. and if you dont like dev ops and you can afford to wait, ask them for time to decide, or negotiate a bit

dont do anything to jeopardize the offer of course

>>24609769
javascript and java (or python) are much much much much more enjoyable to work with and easier to debug and understand. Plus nobody is using Perl in the real world anymore :)

you can run javascript without installing any special programs, simply make an html file on your desktop with notepad or some other text editor you like and do something like this

<!DOCTYPE html>
<script>
x = 5
y = 10
alert(x + y)
</script>

then save the file and open the html with chrome or firefox. or use a website like repl.it

>>24609834
i would skip things like react and vue and angular and graphql but theres nothing wrong with good old normal html js css. but if your goal is to learn swift because you like the apple ecosystem, find an online swift IDE and begin writing toy programs that solve basic problems and youll be ahead of 90% of people in no time. dont do the 90 hour udemy course or whatever, just learn by writing the code

>>24609837
Noted, although I am unemployed right now, so it would be a less depressing alternative.

>>24609866
It's in Canada, and the company is borderline slavery. They do a 14-wk training period at min. wage, and then lock you in at $40k / $45k respectively for a 2-yr period. The up-side is that they place you to work with one of their clients, who from lurking past LinkedIn employees are corporate locations for banks in downtown areas, and they will hire you after if you are competent. They will try and charge you for the training though if you leave, is what I hear.

>>24609820
if youre just changing a few variables it shouldnt be long if you start with the OG bitcoon source, marketing it will be the harder part

>>24609919
yeah that makes more sense... fuck man canada is some shit right now. negotiate it down to 1 year and then take the job if they offer it. if you just do actual real coding practice for a year youll be good to go, devops is a bit of a meme but when done correctly it saves companies a butt ton of money. ive never been made to sign an offer that says if i quit i have to pay them back anything but ive heard about it a lot. try to get them to come down to 1 year to protect yourself. 1 year is fair in my mind, try to apply to a bunch of oother places to maybe score a better offer quickly. congrats on having something better than 0 :)

>>24609347
>How to trust my knowledge
The best thing about programming is that every theory is instantly testable. It compiles or it doesn’t - if it does, it either performs correctly or it doesn’t- if it does, it either does so faster than the alternative or it doesn’t. There’s no room for people’s fucking opinions.
> How to trust my knowledge
You test it.

anyone here a data analyst? i'm pretty good at R and ok at python, can also do tableau/powerbi crap for execs at work

>>24609829
Wow that is reassuring. It was honestly the first class I ever felt outmatched in. I understood what we we're doing and why just getting everything to execute was my problem. Sourcing genomic data files was also a major pain in the ass but for different reasons.
>>24609866

Again, reassuring to hear. Maybe Perl is just a niche preference of biostatisticians or something. I had heard of python before but haven't done anything with it.

>>24610068
"gee yeah thanks for submitting all those PRs but we have to let you go because the art hoe we hired sucks a mean dick!"

>>24610113
market is hot, only thing you risk is your time and effort :)

Perl is some hawaiian shirt socks with sandals shit lol. those guys all retired or died by now

>>24610002
Will do, thanks chief.

Going to start studying now though, see if I can land something else in the meantime. Is there really any way to do resume filler the clean way, or don't bother?

I can put some GitHub projects down, but I can't pretend that they weren't put together in less than two weeks.

>>24608900
how long would you say it takes to become competent? and can it really be that easy? what type of stuff do you build?

>>24610651
no, fuckface, it really cant be that easy. people study coding for 4 years in college just to have a sliver of a chance to get a job. youre retarded ass isnt going to land a 200k gig after 3 months of youtube videos. if you were some coding prodigy, ya think ya might have noticed by now? go back to flipping shitcoins

>>24610736
fuck you nigger i know getting a 200k job isnt easy i meant learning how to code software i dont care about the job

>doing coding bootcamp
Am I gonna make it?

>>24610101
Am analyst for logistics. Pretty good, doing a heap of power bi shit. Constantly get asked to rebuild excel reports in BI

>>24608900
I know I could shit out bots, automation/utility programs, crypto farm tokens in less than 7 minutes if I knew exactly what to click, but there's no fucking guide out there which tells you exactly what to do. The most I found about hosting farm tokens is some garbage that assumes you already did it before. Morons completely ignore the fact that I don't know what the fuck they're talking about, I don't know where to click. I don't have time to stress an hour figuring out "aaah he meant to move to the project's folder through command prompt, aah not CMD, but GitBash's command prompt" fucking assholes.
I had a very similar problem in learning Photoshop where a retard took 15 minutes to show something that could be SHOWN AND DONE in 40 seconds.

And for tokens I have yet to find a comprehensive list of all the functions. I need to have all the functions in my face so I know what I'm playing with.
I cannot afford to waste hours for something I could have learned in mere minutes and years for something I could have learned in a few hours. Same with learning a foreign language. How the fuck can it take months to learn something you should learn in a few days?

>>24610651
>Dropped out of university
>Started to learn to code at 18
>Dropped out of CS college
>Kept programming
>Spent a few years doing drugs in the desert
>Worked at a call center all day on the computer
>Took shit from assholes all day but also used that time to learn advanced CS topics
>Moved to SF for coding bootcamp
>Slept on the fucking ground of a computer lab for 6 months
>Got my first start-up job. Run by an overfunded white supremacist (no joke, complete dickweed)
>Fired because I wouldn't work like a slave (80hr/weeks with a bunch of pajeets)
>Landed a better job at crypto start-up
>Got fucked over by that company
>Tried FANNG. Holy shit what a corporate hell hole
>Back in crypto. 600k total comp with a higher upside

The secret? Never stop learning. Never stop building. Never take no for an answer. Always say yes to every opportunity. You will fail. Constantly. Take every day one step at a time.

https://java-programming.mooc.fi/

Best Java course for beginners, hands down. If you complete both parts and then continue with any Spring Boot course from Udemy you can literally make a carreer out of that.

>hired as .NET programmer
>use other horrible software package
>cant really program

suffering

>>24609243
>its a big ego contest
>interview for analyst position at fortune 500
>they bring in the IT guy
>it's a SQL pissing contest on the white board
>looks down and shakes his head while another guy on the panel is talking to me
>get kicked out and the door shut in my face
>hr girl escorts me from office
now I work in a factory. I'll start grinding udemy through march but need some direction. Web dev seems fun.

>>24609133
No white paper?

>>24608900
Where do you begin with coding??

>>24611442
decentralized VPNs allow you to monetize your own data thus cutting the costs of using a VPN to 0
sentinel also has its own DPOS chain built on tendermint where you will be able to stake tokens and earn interest on them, so think about this cost for a month of sentinel dvpn usage should be around 1-4$ (so way cheaper then any centralized one) so if you stake 500$ of SENT on sentinel tendermint chain with the annual interest earned (12.5-22.5%) you will be able to use the dVPN with no actual cost cause you will be using the interest generated to pay for the dVPN. and if you don't wanna use it anymore you just unstake the token without friction

>>24608900
Hottest languages/technologies right now in the market? Are AWS certs worth it?

>>24608900
thx based coder, I’m starting from scratch and trying some java. finished the basic course in codecademy, ordered the Cracking the Coding Interview book. hope I can get somewhere in the next few months

>>24612206
>>24612410
Codecademy is perfect to start

>>24612524
What's a good foot-in-the-door job to aim for?

>>24612173
Don't, programming is the dumbest job you could take in this world now. You're competing with literal autists who spend every waking minute programming i.e. they program an OS on the weekend and during the week they do 20 pull requests for Tensorflow, pajeets who work for 1$ a month and diversity hires who can't do anything but will still get hired before you and will definitely get paid more. It's shit work, with sometimes extreme pressure and stress with no tangible benefits except for a broken back, burned out brain and slightly above average income.

ive been trying to learn to code for two months now
i feel so fucking retarded i dont understand hardly anything

>>24612654
fud

>>24612747
Well enjoy working 80+ hours while having to maintain constant contributions to open source projects on the weekend :)

>>24613006
what do you suggest we do instead?

>blue collar jobs = broke back by 35
>Accounting = shit pay
>Law = hours are completely fucked
>Engineering = shit pay, long hours and less jobs now than there used to be
>Banking: too late to transition now

All the traditional high paying jobs are no longer what they once were.

>>24608920

Python

>>24612654
So what's the alternative?

>>24613938
>Broke back by 35
Your back will take a more serious hit working all day in front of a pc. Also you'll have to hit the gym pretty hard or you'll fall apart completely, programming ruins your body, more so than physical labor as there you at least get a free workout.
>>24613938
>>24614030
Are you guys seriously saying there's only programming as a job and everything else is shit or doesn't even exist. Well with that mindset it's pretty clear why you think programming is the salvation from the job world. Let me tell you this, programming has been devalued and will continue to be. You're stepping onto a sinking boat, pajeets will undercut you and autsits will undercut you even further because they work for free and they work a lot. Why do you think programming is the only "profession" where it is expected to have a github with a lot of contributions ? Why is it that all programmers must "love" programming and basically do nothing else all day ? I'll tell you why, because it is a race to the bottom between pajeets and autists and you in the middle. Any medium income job will be better for you long-term than entering this death spiral market.

>>24614128
Can you give examples of other non-physical careers?

>>24608900
op pls spoonfeed most valuable resources for a beginner

>>24614128
I'm not a programmer. I work as a Project Manager in Civil Infrastructure. Sick of the hours so I'm looking into doing something else

>>24614160
There's thousands, pick a field and then a subfield and then a company and then a career, here's a few fields where you can earn a good income in. Engineering, Chemistry, Biology, Geology, Metrology, Pharmacy. I'm not saying programming isn't a valuable skill you should definitely learn it to at least some level of proficiency but making it your primary career is the dumbest shit you can do.

>>24614234
Learn programming, get a few meme certs like scrum and then become project lead for programming projects but DO NOT become a programer.

>>24614254
Every one of these you posted requires a college/university degree while programming can get you a job with being self taught (if you are good)

>>24614232
hi im back, notepad++ or any text editor, a browser, and learn the following

x = 5
array = []
obj = {}
map = new Map()
add = function(x,y>{
return x + y}
console.log(add(x,x))

if you can do all this then youre ready for leetcode and then after a few months youll have a job :)

>>24614527
>Lower barrier to entry means it's good
Every third worlder can put together a spring boot website, not sure why you think that makes a good argument for programming as a career but whatever go ahead do it but don't come crying to /g/ about the pajeets I warned you.

>>24608900
>hello, happy holidays
>im donating my knowledge here because i figure ive been lucky in this software engineering game and biden is about to overrun the industry with pajeets anyway
>will post a few different topics but hoping you guys will ask questions for me to answer instead
>everything you need to know about coding
>1) variables, data types
>2) function definitions and function calls
>3) for loops, if statements, control flow
>4) imports and packages
>5) "objects", constructors, instantiation
>each one of these has a 9 hour course on youtube by some pajeet or basedboy but in reality it takes 10 mins each to understand how it works. the rest is just resume fluff. ask away
No way did you get a $280k job without knowing patterns, OP is a liar.

OP is tricking you guys, I'm a senior programmer and we are extremely scrutinizing about who we hire for our non-junior roles. OP is straight up lying to you. Being a top level programmer is a constant learning experience and very few make it. We reject 98% of resumes and reject 75% of interviewees for our most senior positions.

>>24614599
My argument is that you can get a programming job by getting good by yourself and not getting into debt. Even though the fields you posted are decent, getting a degree in these does not guarantee you a job in the field unless you graduate with top marks. I'm not saying programming as a career is the best choice for people but you can get a job with a fraction of the cost.

>>24614736
*at a fraction of the cost.

>>24614555
thanks fren!!

OP is larping.

Programming is a good field to get into and yeah you definitely don't need college but it's not nearly as easy to get a professional job as he presents.

>>24614759
anytime buddy good luck

>>24615066
>>24614659
>>24614627
>>24614599
wow it seems the shills have awoken

everybody take a good look at this fucking gay ass corrupt shit-- these are the people who are choosing not to hire you in this dick sucking contest called a job interview

Anyone is working as front-end webdeveloper here? Is it worth to get into it? I'm currently a graphic designer with average salary but I'm actually doing basic websites as side gigs for years now (I know HTML and CSS very well, also interested in UI/UX, zero PHP/Java knowledge tho).

>>24615486
im full stack, if you have graphics experience might as well go front end but once you learn javascript you can also learn any backend technology as well, concept is the same :) totally worth it

>>24608900
Why is this Dutchman reading a South African newspaper?

>>24614234
I know that feel anon. I am a mechanical engineer stuck in a civil firm and I want to kms.

>>24615593
ik ook! ik ook! ik ook!

>>24615630
dont wait act now

im a process consultant (digitialzation with jira) in a company that works with other prehistory methods...
visualization is one of the biggest issues i have atm. gettin stuff out of jira and puttin it into pretty pictures. im not a programmer and beein bound to addons kinda sucks. what would you recomment to learn? stuff like graphviz seems interesting and i tried stuff out of the d3 libarby once, but thats a nightmare for someone without a coding degree (or at least for me)

>>24617045
fuck 3d its really complicated shit that doesnt pay well anymore, competitive industry

code toy programs in javascript, youll be ahead of 90% of applicants. just pure html css js

>>24609919
oh shit is that the lamda school thing or something similar? where you have to go live on a campus while you learn, then they ship you off somewhere to work for pennies for a few years? I was considering doing that as well anon.

>>24608900

SIR PLS BUY THIS NEW PROJECT TOKEN MOONING SOON

Anybody know how interviews generally are for non junior devs? I've been at the same company for four years and thinking about applying to other places.

>>24617369
thoughts on taking Harvards CS50 class? I've been doing FreeCodeCamp and codeacademy shit and I'm getting relatively familiar with Javascript. Know very basic HTML & CSS. They're currently offering CS50 for free on edx.

>>24617494
yeah ive done 40 of them, theyre intense. just push your way through it and learn a ton of different topics like kafka, core java, system design, leetcode

>>24617514
based on my experience i think courses arent a good use of time. crack open a text editor and google chrome and begin making a toy program that prints random words or letters. or you can begin making a lemonade stand simulator or something like that. its enough to understand all of the important coding concepts. the rest is just resume filler and technology chasing that reinvents the wheel (see also react and spring boot)

>>24612707
Keep at it unironically. One day everything will click and it will get easier. It took me two fucking years to understand even the most basic concepts, but I hope you are not as stupid as I am

Anon, maybe you can create a summary and link us here plz.. We surely would appreciate it

>>24614254
>few fields where you can earn a good income in. Engineering
You’re a fucking retard. No one listen to this negative faggot. I’m an engineer, with a degree & internships. I know morons in IT consulting who can’t use Windows Defender that make 2x as much as me from home, and work 1/2 the hours I do.
Programming isn’t the only option, but the traditional STEM jobs are a fucking meme. Fuck you

>>24619240
I second this request. Thanks for the positivity OP, I’m eagerly searching for a new career path (preferably wfh)
>>24608900
I don’t necessarily want to become a programmer because I’m aware of the competitiveness and pajeet infestation, but what are some similar lucrative fields that can be self taught to some extent? (Cyber sec, IT, architecture, etc...)
I know I’ll need to work projects and learn a lot but I can’t stand to wage slave in engineering anymore. I need a cozy remote job and I know I’m capable, I just don’t know an efficient path to these jobs

>>24608900
I suddenly have some time on my hands thanks to corona, fortunately my savings are pretty healthy. I'm going to start making my own 2D/3D tactical rpg for PC, do you have any advice for a newbie?

>>24608900
I'm currently learning Python as a hobby. I've been using InteliiJ IDEA but I've been told by a friend to get familiar with JetBrains PyCharm asap, learn the Zen of Python, and read the "An Introduction to Python" by Guido. How good is this advice?

I don't currently have a project I want to develop, since I'm still learning the basics and don't know where I'm going with this - it's just a hobby.

>>24619240
if youre on windows, download notepad++, else download something like Atom or sublime text (any basic text editor, dont bother with an ide).

you can also use jsfiddle or repl.it but thats up to you

create an html file called "test.html" and save it to your desktop or whatever

inside that file put

<!DOCTYPE html>
<span id="span"></span>
<script>
x = "test"
document.getElementById("span").innerHTML = x
</script>


congrats, you are now further along than 90% of people who have ever tried coding. you are able to print something on the screen without needing to listen to 10 hours of lectures on youtube

after that you can make your first object, it looks like this

me = {
name: "my name",
age: 99
}

congrats, youve made your first object, which is a logical grouping of related pieces of data. now you can make a function to display your age

function displayAge(age){
alert(`You are ${age} years old`)
}

this is pretty much all of the basics. all coding is built from here. the code you see in the real world is just a deliberately obfuscated and stupidly complex version of this. but ultimately all software is doing this basic stuff at heart

after you understand these basics you should try pair programming with someone or making your own little game or small project and let your interests take you from there

>>24617406
No, but sounds like a similar model. The training is WFH though, so pretty comfy.

>>24619611
javascript html canvas and the keydrown library

will post more detailed advice but you guys can post specific questions you have once you jump in and get stuck. add me on discord

euororeuorouo#7782

>>24609820
ERC20 token generator
>>24619757
how's the market for blockchain programming. trying to learn solidity because I think eth will moon

>>24608900
What's the difference between programming and computer science

>>24619851
Thanks for the advice man, I'll start with javascript and add you on discord. I've been practicing the creative aspects after work like modeling in blender, but now I'm really itching to get into the coding side of it.

>>24620001
dont know, there aremt too many legit job postings about it but the market has shown acquiring bitcoons to be a profitable thing lol, i used to mine back in 2012

>>24620147
computer science deals with more abstract and theoretical concepts like the runtime complexity of algorithms, boolean logic and turing machines which is all important but tedious shit like calculus

programming has to do with the actual syntax of programming languages and the directions you give to a runtime environment. its like comparing the science of cooking, like temperatures and moisture content, vs designing a recipe

>>24610113
I've been learning Vanilla JS and a few JS Frameworks for around 6 months and just started Python over the weekend. I was able to pick it up pretty quickly. Spent around 8 hours yesterday on three dozen practice problems. Obviously I'm no expert or anything, you need to not just write code that works but also write code that executes quickly. Between Python and JS I think learning Python is a lot easier. The syntax is way more straightforward.

>>24620409
probably you got trolled by react js or some shitty js framework

i prefer js instead of python because python's whitespace has rules and that feels strange compared to all c derived languages

Finished a CS bachelor, easiest shit in life btw, but I can't find the motivation to do any of this shit for more than half an hour.

How the fuck do you do this without offing yourself?

>>24620242
So should I look into comp sci if i want something more fulfilling and challenging, and not be just a code monkey working with pajeets?

>>24620242
And can i easily get 6 figure pay? I want to go high

>>24620604
>>24620647
>>24620697

im sure there are some real people out there who enjoy CS and theoretical shit and also have high paying jobs doing it, but for us street niggas the only casino in town is being a code monkey in my opinion

im probably genuinely autistic and enjoy figuring out problems and jumping down spaghetti code rabbit holes but ive forced myself to enjoy it and not take anything personally because money is alllll i care about in this game haha

its better than virtually any other job where the pay is 4x worse and managers are 4x more idiotic

>>24619790
can you drop the name here? I'm a leaf, and I'm interested

>>24620455
Any way to improve yourself with studying, I have been stuggling myself, I work as a React Native/React dev, the pay is good it took me a while to get in this position, but I have lost interest in learning since all I do is mostly work, how you motivate yourself in learning new shit, I was thinking of having this holidays to learn Solidity (as I know a little bit but I am having a job opportunity with that).

>>24620782
How do you define a code monkey job? That's what I want to pivot to. I don't give a fuck about some cs sperg's ego just let me play with code and fucking pay me.

As a hobby, I gained bootcamp-level full stack webdev experience: I did some training recommended on /wdg/ and created some websites and webapps.

I'm interested in getting into software engineering because I enjoy it, but the problem is I make $125k now (job experience completely unrelated to CS) and expect to make $170k in 10 years. I don't want to lose this, so how long would it take to surpass my current salary?

>>24620962
money motivates me, and i feel like i have no other choice but to learn the random shit our industry says is necessary. i preFer backend though

for the things i code for fun, i just write simultation software like rollercoaster tycoon style code thats text only because my autism says thats what i like haha

>>24610903
>"I should be able to code, theoretically"
>in practice knows nothing and is unjustly arrogant

>>24621076
money motivates me also, but I work remote, and it can get really lonely and I want to do stuff, do you have a good schedule that you work x amounts of hours then learn, or is it on weekends.

>>24621049
yeah im totally right there with you. basically just pad the shit out of your resume in new and creative ways and learn the lingo just to get the job. the interview is harder than the day to day work

code monkey job in my eyes is basically like they give you some basic bitch task that is like reformatting a string or making two objects talk to each other or figure out why some library is not easy to integrate into the project

a real cs job would be like working on a 3d engine at unreal or writing high performance network code for aws, shit that hasnt been solved yet

i guess its like the difference between an architect and a bricklayer

>>24621066
stay in your current job, thats good money, its rare to make more than 200 without lots of experience directly in swe, congrats!

>>24621141
wordddd, during the day mostly im in meetings or like scrambling to fix important shit that broke, at night or on weekend nights is when real progress is made for me

after i finish a task and have a day or two of breathing room is when i put a few hours into my side projects :)

>>24621176
I've dabbled in sql and matlab in college, and python recreationally. Not a lot of experience, zero projects outside of academics, but very adept at learning programming. After getting shitted on during my analyst interview I almost no longer am interested in the field. I've got a monster full stack web dev course and javascript udemy course in my udemy library. What do you think of becoming a full stack web dev code monkey?

>>24608900
I'm a fellow software engineer in Germany, how do I start making six figures, we only get paid like $70k before tax which is criminally low even though I work for one of the largest US tech companies

>>24620604
Well, I can relate. Personally hate to nerd myself down in shit that doesnt provide value. I love making money instead, so I draw my motivation to learn2code by doing projects that actually have a potential to increase my productivity or generate money e.g. in the form of a web page, application, tool or plug-in. I went to CS school and hated it, didnt complete a single course for 3 fucking years.
All of a sudden, began to code in order to learn how to develop an online business.
The vision and path lightened up for me and ignited this little spark called passion within me(no larp). I knew that if I wanted to make money in 2020s I'll have to do something internet related and started to work frenetically every day.
Faked my degree on CV, passed technical interview and have the same or higher salary than graduates with master.

Farming capital and experience until I slowly start to build side business 2021.

All I can say, do your own research and form your own opinions. The normie world is lying about everything. I fell for the college meme but luckily survived.
Dont hunt worthless grade, hunt for net worth increasing knowledge.
Fuck compilers and OS and Concurrency programming. Fuck all of that. Those motherfuckers took years from me. However I managed to bang over 30 bitches all across Europe which offset the gried a bit but still.

>>24621271
>>24621397
Oh btw this is my first job out of uni, applied at 2 places, got offers from both but chose the second one cause it's a well known American big tech company. They took me because I had 1y freelancing experience where I did frontend stuff for a web agency with clients like mercedes benz, dhl, porsche, deutsche bank etc. and because I was good at the systems design interview. They didn't ask me any leetcode tier questions, just did some TDD pair programming with me and let me participate in a "bug bounty" session where they wanted me to find bugs and visual fuckups in their current product. Then they called me a week later and offered me a job. The company is extremely reputable to have on the cv but as I said, $70k is dog piss money especially in Germany where they take out your guts with their stupidly high taxes... Should I try to apply to internal job offerings in the US or try to use my current position to apply somewhere else in the US? I am young enough to still be able to make the jump from EU to US...

>>24621271
Don't leave me now OP

>>24611104
Is there a lot of crypto work in SF? What does that work involve?

>>24611104
So true. Definetly been failing. You either swim or sink. But like anon said^^and never give up no matter how much your brain wants you to escape stressful and scary situations. Keep pushing it.

And BTW if you genuinely don't like programming and would rather be more social then I would only recommend IT sales of a great product in the form of B2B or tech recruiting (just google how much companies pay to recruit a senior programmer, its insane). There is good potential to earn money. But same rules as above apply here. Got to grind and keep pushing it.

All jobs will not get you to comfy mode unless you start your own business.
However the jobs I mentioned can make that path shorter by allowing you to earn more capital.