/biz/ - Business & Finance

how many actually pay the tax and how much in total?

>>24520178
>Who lives in a more fucked system than that?

Romans during the third century as feudalization started to happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_the_Third_Century

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YeEGcrinSM

>>24520253
TY fellow /pol/tard.

>>24520178
nog steeds beter dan capital gains tax

>>24520178
Try belgium we had to pay 30% on stock trades and after that still pay other taxes.
Luckily they noticed everyone was getting fucked this way (can't trade much anymore, government gets less taxes instead of higher taxes than they hoped) and got rid of it.
Now the new commie government wants to try this shit again and do even worse shit.
Also paying 50%-70% is hard to top. You don't know how good you have it.

>>24520224
>how many actually pay the tax and how much in total?
This is a very conformist and law-abiding country. They pretty much all pay, including me (I'm moving to Germany next year though).
How much depends on your wealth ofc

>>24520305
No it's not. I'm hodling and will cash out 10 years from now in Portugal where I'll have no taxes at all.
Giving the govt thousands of euros because you are saving is disgusting.

>>24520318
>Also paying 50%-70%
Jesus Christ. Just drive the wealthy innovators out.

On the dutch minecraft server how would one outplay the longnose men from stealing a percentage of my emeralds, also when converting my virtual emeralds into actual emeralds do i need to pay them an extra amount or is it just that (((wealth emeralds%))) that I have to pay each year, if I cannot outplay the longnose villagers

>>24520431
idk. I'm too scared to risk it. I didn't know it was so bad when I moved here. I'm just leaving.

actually it's 30% over a fictional gains of 5.28% for anything above 73k, so 1.584%. Below 73k the fictional gains are only 0.07%.

>>24520400
Well that's what's going to happen now that the more conservative government who tried to lessen this is out.
Commies want to get loads of new taxes and gibs and of course more immigrants plus they are going to shut down every nuclear plant which is complete insanity and we have now way to pay for electricity (which germany will have to provide).
The next 4 years are going to be hell.

>>24520464
go back to your own country, by the way, we're full

>>24520178
Tfw live like a fucking king in the third world with no rule about crypto taxes.

>>24520509
>we're full
*of refugees and pussy faggot conformist natives "doe normaal"

>>24520569
doe zelf normaal, man!

>>24520400

>fell for the Job Creators (TM) meme

kanker belastingdienst man, wat een stelletje kankerapen

>>24520619
>doe zelf normaal, man!
Don't you see how fucking sad that expression is, you poor retarded fuck?

>>24520253
This

>>24520619
Company pays 30% tax
Then you pay 15-40% in income taxes
Then you pay 10% GST when you spend it
Tobacco excise, fuel excise, breathing fee
And if after all that you manage to buy an asset and it goes up, tax the gain another 15%

It wasn't supposed to be this way

>>24520178
Brilliant idea, keeps people consooming, working and going into debt, which in turns keeps the economy going.

>>24520321
>I'm moving to Germany next year though
from one lefty shithole to another. fix your country faggot

>>24520178
That is more than inflation :D

>>24520794
>kanker belastingdienst man, wat een stelletje kankerapen
This. I started a company to sell things online. 25% tax to import something, 21% VAT when I sell it and 40% income tax. Then 3% 'wealth tax' when it's in my bank and more taxes on goods when I spend it.
What the actual fuck. And this spastic >>24520619 gets butthurt when I criticize it. Weird fucking society.

>>24520847
>from one lefty shithole to another. fix your country faggot
I'm not German you fucking faggot. I'm just rich and internationally mobile.

started a business recently and fuck taxes

should've carried on dodging...

>>24520994
Netherlands?

>>24521042
no uk

i can see why people have offshores

>>24520178
Het is verhoogd naar 50k pikkestein. Betaal gewoon belasting kut

This crazy hair guy was based, too bad isis got him

>>24521062
>i can see why people have offshores
I have offshore banks but you can't escape the Common Reporting Standard.

Hoi nederbroeders, in welke cryptomunten investeren jullie?

>>24521164
>Hoi nederbroeders, in welke cryptomunten investeren jullie?
I don't have any you sneed taxman fuck

>>24521245
Based, taxjew BTFO'd

>>24521164
Btc eth link zware zakken. Zelfmoord zakken van ampl xcm ocean en hoop andere poepmunten. Jij?

>>24521280
Goed bezig! Bijna alles in link. Kort geleden wat RLC gekocht. We gaan het maken broeder. Ik voel het.

>>24520699
it's a meme, you dip

>>24520178
The Netherlands has one of the least cucked crypto laws in the world, barring Portugal and some tax havens. What the fuck are you on about nigger? Have you ever read any of the Germcuck threads on /biz/? They can't even trade because they need to hold for a year before the taxes become somewhat reasonable lmfao. Don't even let me start on the Americucks.

>>24521510
Gebasseerd en RLCpilled

>>24520253
It's always funny to me how germans were once the niggers, as were nords(vikings), and Scotland. Every civilization has their nigger period

>>24520477
What this like said

>>24521510
Nice heb ook laatst wat RLC gekocht. Wat verwachten jullie van RLC komende tijd?

>>24521510
Rlc zit in mijn categorie poepmunten, 2k hiervan.

>>24521987
0 of held

>am 20k in debt on tax free student loan
>live in sociale huurwoning and get maximum huurtoeslag and zorgtoeslag
>live "paycheck" to "paycheck" consisting of purely student loans and toeslagen
>basically living like a fucking poorfag student
also
>more than 150k in crypto and never reported to the belastingdienst

by the time i cash out the belastingdienst will never see a red cent.

>>24521827
Japan never had a nigger period.

>>24520178

At least we don’t pay tax on individual trades

>>24522112
>hundreds of years of constant in-fighting

>>24520178
France,
every crytpcurrency to fiat trade that surpasses 300 euros has to pay 30% of the net
think about that for a second

>>24520548
What country and can a white American live there comfortably without knowing the local language?

Klopt dat wel, wat betreft crypto? Hoe kunnen ze überhaupt aantonen wat je bezit?

>>24520224
None, Netherlands is literally the most unequal country in the world despite appearances.

>>24522226
Verhip, je hebt gelijk! Ze kunnen het nooit weten, dus moet het wel legaal zijn.

>>24522097
Succes daarmee, helaas report je bank de belastingdienst als je gekke transacties maakt en kom je uiteindelijk aan het uitleggen hoe je aan het geld komt. Evt je trades laten zien, vervelend als je meer dan 30k op 1 januari had en dat niet hebt opgegeven aan de tax man

>>24521827
>plunder for the sake of supporting your home/family/village
vs
>loot and destroy just because you can
these are totally the same

How are you going to pay for Muhammad and Negronius 18 children goy if you don't pay the jizya to the Rebbe?

>>24522189
Ofc France would be the worst. Just go full communism already.

>>24522226

Niet. Totdat je moet uitleggen aan de bank waar die tonnen euros vandaan komen.

>>24520178
wtf are you talking about,
YOU ONLY
pay wealth tax
no income tax for any trade whatsoever

>>24522189
>>24520178
The absolute state of keynsiantard socialdemocrats.

>>24522134
That's not nigger behavior, they had honor and shit. They just hadn't centralized power over the islands during that time.

>>24521164
>>24521280
2 xsn masternodes op 11.5 cent

weet nog steeds niet waarom ik niet 10k euro in maart heb geinvesteert. had het zelfs al naar bitvavo overgemaakt.

>>24522306
Die 30k is inclusief studielening. Ik heb ~80k in crypto en 70k lening. Ik hoef in principe niks op te geven.

I thought it was only 1% bros?
and it was 25k eur?
I've been out of the country for a couple years now.
1% I could understand but 2.8... what the fuck
definitely cashing out in portugal

I am not fundamentally against a wealth tax, but why does it start so low though? I mean why 30.000 and not lets say 200.000? 30.000 seems like an amount that a frugal wageslave or blue collar worker could save over time

I'm from the UK and came to The Netherlands to set up a business. The taxes could be worse. Glad I'm not in France.

>>24522481
Sounds like cope. The ancient Chinese considered them savages upon discovery, then you also have ww2.

>>24520178
incroporate yourself retard

god I hate normies so fucking much

>>24522760
It's to prevent you from getting rich. Because rich people are bad.

>>24522760
Because the idea of wealth taxes and income taxes is to restore feudalism.
Pic related

Lol. Ik werk bij de belastingdienst. We hebben nul benul van bitcoin of crypto. Zolang je cashouts in batches van 100k per dag doet geen haan die er naar kraait.

>>24522760
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollock_v._Farmers%27_Loan_%26_Trust_Co..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act

god bless i live in Switzerland it's probably the only sane country in europe

>>24522860
Stuur foto van je neus, tax man

>>24521278
>denkt serieus dat er iemand van be belastingdienst op /biz/ zit

/pol/ schizo leak

>>24522860
>>24523072
Ahum

>>24523116
>als iemand het zegt is het meteen waar, vooral op /biz/
oh, gotcha

>>24522830
Nice pic. Interesting read.

>>24522860
What about common reporting standard?

>>24523116
>>24522860
objectief onwaar btw, er is geen realistische manier om crypto-inkomsten van de belastingdienst te verbergen tenzij je het voor de rest van je leven in crypto laat zitten. belastingdienst staat in contact met je bank en mijn bank heeft me bewijs gevraagd om stortingen van zelfs ~10k te verifiëren omdat ze niet in het normale inkomstenpatroon vallen

>>24522201
Probably any of them assuming you don’t have to work because you’re there to spend money and that’s incentive for them to be accommodating

People in this thread still fail to realize slavery never ended, it just morphed into taxation.
>Debating over how much taxation is justified
>Same as debating about how much of a slave you want to be
Cucks.

>>24522306
ik weerhoud mezelf daar in ieder geval van tot ik genoeg geld heb in crypto om nooit meer te hoeven werken. en op dat punt ben ik al lang het land uit. aangezien ik nog naar school ga ben ik een geduldig persoon, maar ik hoop voordat ik school afrond genoeg geld te hebben.

>>24520253
Damn

>>24520178

I will gladly trade Poortugal's high taxation on wages for that wealth tax.

>>24523888
Wasted trips
read a book libertarian, explain why not one libertarian society/state exists (hint: its because stateless societies lose against states)

>>24520178

I would be way more pissed at the 30% ruling which gives an unfair advantage to foreigners.

>>24521827
It's funny to me since african niggers never had a civilization in the first place.

>>24520178
Serious question: why still live in western europe?

>>24520178
imagine letting feds know you have crypto.

>>24523225

Bij abn heb ik 100k uitgecashed en niks over gehoord verder.

>>24522746
Portugal taxes are even higher. Not specifically on crypto but once you become a resident to avoid crypto taxes, you'll get fucked with so many other taxes that it's pretty much the same

>>24524342
Nooo. Don't say that. Don't shit on my Portugal dream.

hoi negers, 30% regelingchad hier, dank je voor jouw gilder

>>24524041
Wrong historically it's small state societies that dominate and end up becoming big state afterwards.

Small italian city states end up consolidating , span was insanely descentralized internally until it consolidated, bongs literally revolted to enforce laws on their kings, and eventually the us chimped out due to a tea tax.

But once this succesful societies exist there is an entropic force that leads to centralization unless the revolutionary spirit is kept alive.

>>24522860
Vanaf 10k kankersukkel
En hele teams zitten op crypto onder vhv
>toeslagennerdje

>>24520178
You are retarded. Your system is by far the absolute best in all of Europe for crypto.
t. I lived there for a year and am extremely happy filling the tax return.

>>24525451
If I was back in the UK, I would be taxes zero for years. Then I would go to Portugal and cash out. Not a single euro, pound or Sat down.
So why do you live getting taxed on NL so much faggot?

>>24522514
Wat verwacht je er van.. zelf ook 2 nodes, maar twijfel wel of het 'm gaat worden..

>>24521827
Most grow out of it...

>>24521510
>>24521767
>>24522004
ik heb ook een zak poepmunten iexec RLC.

>>24521068

Ga gewoon even dood. Werk voor je eigen geld, blijf met je gore negerhanden van mijn spullen en mijn land af. Terug naar spanje met jou!

>>24521699
>Have you ever read any of the Germcuck threads on /biz/? They can't even trade because they need to hold for a year before the taxes become somewhat reasonable

amerishart cope

If we trade the taxes are the same as american, if we don't there are no taxes at all

>>24522306

Ik heb ineens heel veel geluk in 2021

>>24525516
Portugal will change their tax rule with 100% certainty. Even right now it is not tax free if you are a trader. In NL you pay a tiny fraction of your portfolio and you never have to worry about it again. No need to declare trades. It is fucking fantastic.

wat denken jullie jongens. zit er toekomst in de virtuele poepmunt handel?

>>24522331
Your vikingniggers raped and burned down the villages after plundering them. They were the niggers that the kikes used to deliver the death blow to Rome.

>>24525516
No taxes in the UK? I doubt it. In case you're talking about not declaring anything and then moving to Portugal, it would work like that starting from any country you brainlet.

>>24522760

It doesn't matter how little you try to steal, all thieves must be shot for a society to function

>>24525778
Compared to Dutch anons you are being cucked
>amerishart cope
I shat on Americans in the next sentence. Domme mof.

>>24525793
>you pay a tiny fraction
profits are taxed at 30%

>>24525825
You're taxed when you cash out. So you don't cash out and move somewhere where they don't tax you.
The Netherlands taxes you when you haven't yet realised your gains.

>>24520178
the tax rate is about half that tho

also for cashing out a mooning shot there is always malta where you will be able to hold a conversation in dutch

however for active trading nothing beats the netherlands, you can make as many transactions as you like and only pay 1.68% on the value it has on dec 31st
plus with europes easy relocating rules moving to the most profitable tax jurisdiction is easy
you only need to be a small apartment and have your official address there nobody actually chekcs if you really live there or are 'on vacation' to sunnier places

I'm in NL as well.
I now have 50,000 euros in the bank account. This year I don't have to pay extra tax on it, but I will next year because of a Dutch law.
Should I invest it or diversify it or keep it in my bank account?

>>24525880
Yes, 30% on some fictional assumed 3% profit. The effective tax rate is like 2% or less of your networth. This is fantastic for anyone in crypto.

>>24525949
Time to get an uknown ammount

Do you participate in baseprotocol.org? What is your opinion about it?


Came across their cooperation with Uniswap. As I find out they want to build liquidity pools there and have already made Cascade services with passive income solutions.

>>24525949

The euro is fucked so anything that retains its value is better.

>>24525852
Do you retarded dutchcuck actually understand what wealth tax means? You LITERALLY HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR NET WORTH EVERY YEAR

Germany is one of the best countries for crypto if you are smart enough to pick good coins. if you are a brainlet you won't make it anyway

>>24525948
>however for active trading nothing beats the netherlands, you can make as many transactions as you like and only pay 1.68% on the value it has on dec 31st
This. Literally I don't think any country in the world beats this. HK and SG etc are much more expensive to live in even if they have 0 tax.

>plus with europes easy relocating rules moving to the most profitable tax jurisdiction is easy
you only need to be a small apartment and have your official address there nobody actually chekcs if you really live there or are 'on vacation' to sunnier places
As someone who did exactly this, not true at all. Getting rid of your citizenship tax residence can be hard as fuck.

>>24526044

They are robbing people of their dividends in broad daylight. They even count a second home's hypothetical price as if it's a liquid asset. Then the politicians wonder why most people are in crippling debt.

>>24526071
i had no problem at all
i think i spend a grand total of 20 nights in my official residence in the past 8 years
hopping the dutch/belgian border, your experience might differ depending on which countries you are switching in
several of the scandis do try to hunt you down for taxes for years after you move like the usa but they don't have to actually power to enforce much

>>24526286
so you have a smoll appartment in NL and then you just chill in BE?

>>24526071
>Getting rid of your citizenship tax residence can be hard as fuck.
Do tell. I thought it was easy.

>>24526227
This guy gets it. Take the blackpill Dutch cucks.

>>24526324
having your wagie cagie in nl while having tax residency in be is quite nice
that is if you are a hodler, when i go to trader i plan on moving back to nl

>>24526044
>Imagine not being able to trade and wearing it like some badge of honor
yikes

>>24525910
>You're taxed when you cash out. So you don't cash out and move somewhere where they don't tax you.
Applies to pretty much any country if you just don't declare.

>>24520509
Only arabs allowed

>>24521827
nigger here being extremely relative

>>24526487
>Applies to pretty much any country if you just don't declare.
Yeah, except NL which taxes you before you've realised your gains. I get it's OK for traders but it's shit fir hodlers and anyone with stocks and savings.

>>24526570
Ehh. If you are in crypto and you can't outpace a 0.50%-1.60% tax, you're doing it wrong anyway.

>>24526570

Dutch taxes run on computers from the 80's. Just don't report anything you can hide or feign ignorance about.

>>24526623

You misunderstand. They tax you for the hypothetical value on the 1st of january. So if your stocks, house or crypto was worth a million and they go down 99%, you are still taxed on a million.

>>24521827
Difference is that Africans are eternally in that stage

>>24526639
Common Reporting Standard is applied by exchanges.

>>24526682
This. They must fucking destroy people during crashes and recessions.

>>24524041
Paying less (no?) fucking tax as was originally intended is not a stateless society you fucking retard.
Early Americans literally chimped out over a 2% tax on tea. Where the fuck have your balls gone?

>>24520178
I also live in the Netherlands and what you're saying is bullshit. the first 30k is free (60k if you have a partner) and after that you pay 30% over a "fictional roi" of 5% every January 1st. So that basically means if you had 30k in eth beginning of the year you would've made 300% roi, while still being taxed for 5% roi.

>>24520178
No you don't retard

>>24524088
and this.

>>24526747

Dutch exchanges yes. Coinbase is in ireland and chinese exchanges don't give a fuck. Keeping your coins on an exchange is a mistake too, just use a wallet.

>>24526919

It was 4% and now it's 5.7% fictional.

>>24522112
Do me a favor and look up the 部落民. They definitely did and still do.

>>24526919
OK. Then your ETH does a x2 and you declare on January 1st you have 60k of ETH. Then you pay 30%

>>24526984
>Dutch exchanges yes.
No. All OECD countries have signed up to the CRS. What you have on an exchange gets reported, the information goes to Germany,

>>24527070
In Germany they send that information to the country where you pay tax. They compare it with what you've declared, and if there is a major discrepancy, you're fucked.

Buy Monero and exchange back to bitcoin using a dex service. This will mix the coins and you will not need to tell its yours.

>>24527042
No

>>24526984
>ust use a wallet.
Did I mention that NL is the only country in the world where you have to kyc your hard wallet?

>>24520178
"wealth tax" is the socially sellable version of negative interest rates
And of course, the threshold of what constitutes wealth will slowly go lower and lower
Because nobody needs money! And they'll never be happier

>>24527018
5.7% huh? I'll admit, that's a big increase relatively speaking. that's about 1k you pay for having 100k. If OP has a problem with it, just idk, don't pay it/hide it? Most of our taxmoney goes to other europoor counties anyways, so just ghost the taxman.

>>24527135
Explain what I'm looking at here

>>24520178
The Jew, Geert Wilders

>>24527070
i didn't know the european tax agencies had enough budget to allow for shilling on 4chins

there is no global automatic reporting, not even on goybase
european tax authorities still report on voluntary declaration by the people themselves
they barely understand crypto let alone be proactive in enforcement

>>24527103
>>24527070

I've had trades worth several hundred thousand dollar on chinese exchanges and nothing has come of it. I don't care about these jewish networks to begin with. Israel doesn't exist. I have not given my permission to share this data with third parties to begin with so that would be highly illegal.

Soon we will cleanse the earth of all this jewish filth and we can go back to normalcy.

>>24527179
He needs to pay 0,26% over his entire wealth basically.

>>24527146

So just don't do that. The nigger hordes imported by Rutte don't care about laws, why should I?

>>24527179
>First 30.846 is not taxed, leaving €29.154
>€29.154 is divided up in a savings part (67%) and an investment part (33%) until €72.797 (ratios change above this)
>calculation efficiency (dunno how to translate) on the savings part is 0.07% (€14) and 5,28% (€508) over the investment part
>both get added up and finally get taxed at 30% leaving you with €156 to pay over €60k
Probably a shit explanation but you get the gist. OP is full of shit.

>>24526682
It is not in that year. You pay taxes in summer 2021 on the value of cryptos in jan 2020. My point still stands btw. If you can't YEARLY make 1.5% you're fucked anyway.

>>24520178
HAHHAHAHAAHAHA wealth tax is literally Shariah Law. See Zakaat: annual mandatory 'charity' of 2.5% on all wealth (excluding property and some other exceptions). It was essentially used as tax under old Caliphate rule.
Get Islampilled western cucks

>>24520178
Fuck, even Sweden got rid of that shit

>>24527269
Look up common reporting standard. OECD countries copied the US FACTA. Any onshore or offshore banks or crypto exchanges report your balance on the 1st of January.

>>24527310
China is also a signatory to the CRS.

>>24520178
What the fuck you stupid bycicle riding nigger are even talking about?
My company literally moved its headquarters to a shithole named Zölle because of taxes and laid off half of the staff here to hire some weed smoking faggots up north.
Two directors I personally know moved there too permanently mostly for taxes too. Shut the fuck up your country is literally a tax haven and you at least get the infrastructure that comes with it

>>24528816
Zwolle*