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>>23010978
You're clearly autistic/aspergers and so don't quite have normal social intuition. The medication is low dose mdma which will tune you into signals others are giving. So get some off the dark web and try some next week at work.

>>23011009
>that nigga rolling face at work
>he starts taking off his clothes at his desk
Based

>>23011009
>You're clearly autistic/aspergers

for sure, I'm the first to admit it. But compared to a lot of others, i LIKE social events, talking to people and debating. I'm not shy at all and has a "normal" clothing style too. but when it comes down to facts, I show myself

>. The medication is low dose mdma which will tune you into signals others are giving.

It's illegal so no

>>23011009
I wiil try it, thanks

Just ask questions, people like talking about themselves.

>>23010978
fuck normies. I would love discussing Antiquity with you my based autist. Have you read Herodotus?

>>23011454
>Herodotus
Now but I'm reading letters from a stoic by Seneca right now and this evening I'm reading about this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Hydaspes

>>23010978
I feel you brother. I'm not as autistic as you but I have the same problem

>>23010978
>like most people here
>Has a job

>>23011502
Most people here work in finance or tech but LARP as NEETs

>>23010978
Most people suck, dude. I would give each co-worker 2-3 chances to reveal their open-minded/intellectual side. After failing those tests I would not go out of my way to create interesting conversation. Interesting/interested people will generally not fail these tests because, like you, they crave those conversations.

>>23010978
Just stop with small talk, it's for fags

>>23010978
>co workers talking about a movie
>ask my opinion on it
>proceed to talk about the cinematography,soundtrack,acting,plot,story,metaphors etcetc
>the response is "ye haha I thought it was fun :)"
do normies actually not know how to function on non surface level? its like they just glide trough life existing never really thinking about anything more than a second

>>23011584
no because that's how all people talk to each other. and if i hear before the weekend some guy is going to a concert or event, I read up a bit about it if it sounds interesting then ask about what I learned

>>23011612
yeah this is unironically me

for example, one of my favourite movies from a cinematographic standpoint is no country for old men

the bad guy is usually standing to the left, there is certain color schemes and in the gas station scene the camera zooms in a bit https://medium.com/@scottdistillery/great-scene-no-country-for-old-men-f23a360db174

then I go on to open 10 wiki tabs about the director, the inspirations, the themes and so on...

>>23011529
Funny huh how the whole of 4chan is one big psyop

Honestly dude, I was the same. You have no instinct for social situations, so you have to just do it through trial and error while paying attention to how the other person is reacting, and through just watching other peoples interaction in a group setting and internalizing what you see. I worked at a coffee shop for 3 years before I reached the point where people actually enjoyed talking to me and actively would seek out conversations. The good thing about being kind of autistic is that you can LEARN to interact normally, but your autism brings a level to conversations that normies can't even hope to have. It's EASY to keep the other person engaged in conversation for literally hours and hours because of it.

Just a quick, general tip, don't tell a story for the sake of a story, see if they can relate to it at all. Ie. If you went to the zoo and have a story to tell about monkeys, start off with asking "Have you been to the zoo here before? (If they answer yes, ask them what their favourite part was, and after they say that make a small comment and say "yeah so anyway I saw the monkey exhibit there and..." if they say no, that's fine, atleast they know unconsciously you're trying to involve them in what you're talking about).

In general you want to let the other person speak more though. And leading questions sprinkled throughout the conversation to add length and so it looks like you're interested. If you have something to say, make sure it's on topic. But yeah in general just keep trying, you'll "get it" eventually.

>>23011637
That's why normies talk to each other, real people don't do small talk.
Even if you're successful at one small talk, you'll unlock more and more small talk events, your life will be a pain in the ass.

>>23011810
I'll also note that you'll never, ever, feel a close connection to these people, because they're not like you. HOWEVER, by doing this, it lets you have an easier time meeting and talking to people who ARE like you. And those friendships become very very strong, although because of your autism you also notice imperfections that you magnify to a huge degree that can easily ruin the friendship, so walk carefully.

>>23010978

be confident, crack jokes, flirt with the girls, dont be a faggot, life is 100x better when everybody likes you

>>23011810
>if they say no, that's fine, atleast they know unconsciously you're trying to involve them in what you're talking about

this is where I would fail. I would be like

>Oh no? It's sad, because at this zoo in Chicago they have one of 3 red headed cheek monkeys ever brought under human control. Not many know it, but Professor Andersson started experimenting with then in 1982, and it was shown they are quite similar to both us and other races like chimpanzees and gorillas. I totally recommend a visit, but before you can watch this 3 hour youtube clip I send you on slack after

>And yeah by the way, when you are there, don't miss out on the alligator pond. They didn't think it would work out but now this alligator collection is one of the biggest in north america. But don't make the mistake of calling the crocodiles, the staff will laugh you out

>>23010978
trying way to hard man, youre not supposed to "try" when you talk to people, you just go with the flow of the conversation.

>>23010978
Just shut up

>>23011887
for some reason I never had a problem with girls, I think my normal looks and sort of autistic confidence to not give a shit what they think and just ask them out then don't care if they say no attracts them

>>23010978
I would talk with you anon. Fuck the others keep being you

>>23011898
I know, thats what I wanted help with good sir

>>23011913
thanks fren

>>23011908

good, if you are confident and know what you are worth then you are going to make it. I am not as autistic as you but I always recognized the retardness of the normies, even tough when I want I can blend with them and even have fun

live a life thats worth living, no matter how the rest of the faggots see you or whatever, just remember than in 60~ years you'll be dead

>>23010978
you're aware of it
that's all that matters
you could work on it, or not
or whatever
that all depends on what you think is most beneficial
but as long as you are aware and making conscious decisions about it, there is nothing to worry about or be ashamed about
also fuck normies

>>23010978
You're not shy so atleast that's good. Think of conversations as layers (like an onion). Whenever there is a group, atleast 3+ people, you're at the top layer. At that layer is shallow, small talk, nothingness generally. This is because the humans are operating at a level to ensure nobody goes too deep and says something to ostracize themself. This is an inherent survival mechanism that you are unaware of. So when you sperg, you ostracize yourself without intending.

Just make a mental note to use your autism in a one on one situation when someone is engaged with you. You have to detect that person is engaged. Then your knowledge is impressive.

In group situations, it's almost always at that top layer, and should be there usually.

So your mental process should be this:

1. Detect the amount of people in front of you at the moment
2. Detect which layer of conversation they are engaging in (is it small talk bullshit, is it deep about feelings, etc.)
3. Make a concious note to adjust anything that comes out of your head to ensure it is on that layer.
4. Think about what you speak so it is on that layer.
5. As the conversation progresses, make a note of what layer it's on, and adjust accordingly.

This seems very cumbersome, but most people just inherently adjust without thinking about it. Since you can't, i'm just pitching an idea for a framework that may work for you. Give it a shot. Good luck anon.

>>23011890
>>Oh no? It's sad, because at this zoo in Chicago they have one of 3 red headed cheek monkeys ever brought under human control. Not many know it, but Professor Andersson started experimenting with then in 1982, and it was shown they are quite similar to both us and other races like chimpanzees and gorillas. I totally recommend a visit, but before you can watch this 3 hour youtube clip I send you on slack after

That's fine, a tip would be to challenge yourself during conversation to try to get your point across using the least words possible, while relating it to them somehow still.

>"Yeah It was kind of sad watching some of the monkeys being caged up knowing how like us they are, I'm sure either one of us would hate it"

>>23011954
if everyone looked like apu life would be so comfy :(

>>23011612
>cinematography,soundtrack,acting,plot,story,metaphors
you obviously are a hobbyist about this stuff. so you should have first answered wether you liked it or not and situation depended added all the stuff you listed and ending it with that you are a huge movie/cineomatography guy. this would lead to them registering you as the movie guy instead of the guy that autistically rants about something they expected a two word response for

>>23011009
>mdma
>try some next week at work
baiced

>>23012026
im not a hobbyist and everything I said is what I view to be as surface level as possible
I guess I overestimated the average non autist

>>23012008
i know right

>>23010978
>"Interesting, I never visited that zoo but after reading Xerxes of Persia created the first zoo ever with both elephants, bears and rhinos I can't wait to see if this zoo design also incorporate the automatic water flow system to feed them he came up with"
kek I'd talk to you

>>23011035
so we try to help you and you bitch about it being illegal. baka

>>23010978
It's better to be interested than interesting. Talk in a way to get others to talk about themselves, only talk about your own thoughts briefly, and elaborate if they ask you to.

>>23012003
>. This is because the humans are operating at a level to ensure nobody goes too deep and says something to ostracize themself. This is an inherent survival mechanism that you are unaware of.

Literally never heard someone explain it that way. because I work with software and has interests in like stocks , art and history most discussions is about facts and information. If someone would say something new about Alexander the Great, I would listen more. that guy would "survive" more to me

but yeah, I guess normies think I'm not in their cool ingroup when you put it that way

>>23012129
yeah thats why we are here at a friday night anon...

>>23010978
Here’s the skinny: people aren’t interested in you, or the topic of conversation. Think of it like monkey’s grooming each other, they get validation and satisfaction from making talking noises at each other, it’s a social thing and is not meant to produce results pertinent to any subject of discussion. That’s why “last night’s game”, “what Colbert said” and “the weather” are such mainstays in the arsenal- it truly does not matter what you talk about, the important thing is to talk a little bit at all and take the opportunity to validate each other by agreeing with what the other one is saying (you don’t actually have to listen to what that is, just saying “yeah” when it’s your turn will suffice).
Knowing all this, life as an autist goes into easy mode.

>>23012026
at the same time, if he would say that to me I would think he was very interesting knowing all this already without the small talk... but yeah

>>23012092
>im not a hobbyist and everything I said is what I view to be as surface level as possible
you obviously are one retard to some extent. the lack of social awareness with zoomer nowadays.
one example ''normal people'' drive their car from A to B and are done with it. enthusiasts join other likeminded people or research online which tires/rims to mount, how much a wrap costs. same applies to you and other things

>>23011035
>I like debating
Sounds like you are one of those "autists" who enjoys showing off intelectual superiority, which is why you sperged out with your knowldege of zoos - you just wanted to show everyone how much you knew about an obscure tidbit of useless information like here
>>23011890

>its illegal so no
So not only are you a sperg you're a bitch and had to make a thread for attention

>>23012198
>at the same time, if he would say that to me I would think he was very interesting knowing all this already without the small talk... but yeah

the one thing does not rule out the other. with the exception that the convo goes deeper 30s later. the most important thing is to keep fluidity in the conversation - with gradual build ups. you have to the purely results oriented mindset to the side

>>23010978
I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with you. In fact, I’d love to meet more people with your mentality. It’s very hard for me to make deep connections with others since they are never interested in talking about anything other than themselves, their personal lives, gossip about others, etc. I definitely do try the whole “let them rant about themselves” blablabla. But it gets tiring, you know? I’ve also tried being up fun facts about what we’re talking about but that quickly turns them off, so I end up being more reserved and quiet. Why even bother? I have to say, I also love meeting new people, I’m not shy. But most people in my town are very snobby and narcissistic. Believe me, I’d love to have coworkers like you. Or friends or even just a stranger I can have some kind of deeper conversation with. At least I have my SO but other than that, there’s a huge lack of open minded people in my area. All I can do is message with my frens here

>>23012167
I work in software as well and these are my observations. I didn't mean to be harsh, just expressing my interpretation of what's going on. Before when I worked in retail, I was very shy. But that's because most people talked about dumb boring stuff that I didn't care to engage in. But I now see it's important to know how to speak at all levels, and I had to learn that. Normies in groups speak at the top layer, and if you want to be integrated in the conversation, that's the layer you want to be on.

>>23012389
thanks fren that made my heart warmer

but like I said to another anon, there is a reason we sit here rn and debate this too

>>23012485
No I don't take it an harsh way, and not arguing against you at all

you need to be critical and self-reflect on real life examples that you feel you overshared. even if you feel that you did, you may not have actually done so, so be careful. it takes a lot of time so be patient.

over time you will learn the right level of restraint. remember that the good friends / girls you meet will be a lot more interested in your words, and you shouldn't have to restrain yourself as much for them

>>23012312
or you know, maybe he actually enjoys history unlike most of his coworker morons who have zero conception of anything that's ever occurred prior to 1776.

He's not necessarily autistic, but just significantly more researched and self educated than his peers, which creates a divide. Saying something like that makes others feel stupid because they literally are stupid and spend their spare time at a bar or partying than in academic or self improvement pursuits. This is the same reason why he likes debating - it's a competitive back and forth of wits and the only reason you conceptualize people like that as intellectually superior is because you haven't any aptitude to participate in such a thing yourself with any degree of proficiency.

>>23010978
You don't talk too much. They just don't want to talk to you.

>>23012719
wow this put words to my thougths

>>23012719
i'm just a normal guy with a lot of interests. In fact, if there is one thing I hate is the real geek stuff like anime, star wars and lego

>>23012526
But what is that reason? I’m here by my own admission. I’m usually well liked, I’m the one who gets tired of faking being interested in people’s petty problems. I enjoy the anonymity of this board, being able to talk to people without my gender, race or age being a factor. Granted, there are a bunch of weirdos on this board, but if you saw me in person, you would never guess I spend my time here. I hope you can stop thinking so lowly of yourself, my fren. You are a smart and interesting person, I’m sorry that isn’t what’s “cool” nowadays. I hope you can meet more like minded people so you can see how valuable you really are.

>>23012760
Senpai, I know where you are because I've been here my whole life. I've been tested for autism specifically because it's hard for me to get along with normies and I didn't have it. You are literally just intellectually superior to them on these topics and they have no passion for it like yourself. Whether that's due to having a high IQ or just putting more time into research, it doesn't matter. You're outpacing them in worldly awareness and they literally are too apathetic to care. The solution is to find people that move at your pace and take interests in your passions, such as history and debate.

>>23012719
This right here, OP

>>23012312
>you just wanted to show everyone how much you knew
people like this really just want talk about interesting subjects and learn new things from other people. They know a lot of things because they get a dopamine hit from new information and new ideas.
Making retards feel insecure is just a side benefit.

>>23012778
and just wanna clarify, I have nothing against ppl like this stuff. but for me, it just feels like hollywood geek propaganda so I prefer to read a good book from some greek or german thinker instead

>>23012818
>18▶
>>>23012526 (You)
I'm not thinking lowly, just saying this is proof we are a bit different

>>23012876
i watched this last night it's about an aspie who talks too much and is aware of it. he practices slimming down the conversation with video clips. the trailer isn't that great - gives the wrong impression of the character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j6wDoyiyd4

>>23012738
spying on me
cba to add the q mark as i have one hand on my cock

>>23012978
video tests are good i'll try it

>>2301218
Imagine having to do this demeaning deceitful bullshit every day just to keep from starving in a box on the side of the road

>>23012719
>Saying something like that makes others feel stupid because they literally are stupid and spend their spare time at a bar or partying than in academic or self improvement pursuits

Yes knowing meaningless trivia about zoos is a great accomplishment and great use of his time - while others are living life getting girlfriends and having fun anon is at home to show his intelectual superiority
>This is the same reason why he likes debating - it's a competitive back and forth of wits
Your post shows you dont know what wit is and are probably an absolute drag at parties. I bet you sre a jew as well. If you were half as smart as you think you are you would have deducted from OPs posts that he just likes to show others how much he knows, even in the wrong context and inappropriate situations, and would have saved the trouble of typing up your meaningless drivel. You are probably just as autistic as he is and wonder why you're a kissless virgin and why girls aren't interested in the random trivia you have memorized

>>23010978
>"hey guys I went to the zoo yesterday
>"oh thats cool"
>"did u see any monkeys??"
I was expecting for OP to fuck up and say niggers as an average 4chan user.

Disappointed

>>23010978

As a sperg, you need to learn to talk less and to really work on your "filter" in order to give answers that are as normie as possible.

That should get you to what you're aiming.

>>23010978

And don't forget you're in a goddamn job. These people are not your friends and you really can't be yourself on work related situations.

Naturally, be as you wish to be amongst your real friends.

>>23012152

These are good principles to follow as well OP.

Considering you're a SW dev, here's another tip:
Don't take what normies say at face-value and observe their actions, that's who they trully are... And they don't give a shit about the truth and talk in a roundabout and indirect way.

Do what you will this information.

>>23012188

This is true as well.

I wish I knew all the things here on this thread many many years ago, it would have made my life way easier and better...

>>23010978
You have Inverse Autistic Aphasia. It causes speech to be terminally boring and compulsive. Stop talking to people outright. SING to them instead. Pay attention to normie TONES over words, and respond with the next bar of the song. Short, sweet, mostly just sound. Just recognize that they are NOT conversing, and the converstaions keep dieing because you're trying to create a NEW conversation where everyone is just trying to verbally shake hands and leave.

the problem is they likely cannot relate
most people just consume garbage media which rots their brain. When you start getting into a deeper, complex, or philosophical conversation they feel alienated. This can make them feel inferior which in turn puts them into a defensive mindset.
Basically don't worry about it, you will find peers on your level as you advance in society