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I think what im inviting here is a small microscopic gateway for any BSV shills to give me a level headed pitch on why BSV is the real bitcoin

>>22542777
I don't think there is a chance that he's Satoshi. I do think Calvin Ayre will need to maintain an upward price channel in BSV if he wants new money to come in though. BSV would've probably had an easier time if they'd have not gone through with a Satoshi larp.

>>22542777
I think the complete opposite, that BSV is obviously the closest interpretation of the Bitcoin white paper and closest to the intention of Satoshi Nakamoto, and even despite patents, copyrights, international law, evidence and laying claim to the longest-running most stable and uncorrupted blockchain protocol with signature features fully intact and unbounded scaling capabilities, there is a very slim chance that crypto media bros and tech communists will convince the world that BSV is terrible similar to the way they control the mass media, through deception and social engineering.

>>22542777
>there's the very slim chance he could be the one
you should play the lottery rationally speaking

>>22542777
No chance on earth he is Satoshi. He is a clever extroverted narcissist. Satoshi is a brilliant introverted autist.

>>22542777
Impossible. He is not Satoshi for many reasons. The way he claimed to mine the genesis block is incorrect. https://www.okex.com/academy/en/nakamoto-or-not-2009-mined-btc-craig-wright-the-patoshi-pattern-and-bitcoins-mysterious-creator/

Look up the pattern of mining and it proves without a doubt that he is not Satoshi. There are also other reasons he's not Satoshi, the white paper doesn't match him at all.

Satoshi imo was clearly a team of people lead by Nick Szabo.

>>22543313
tell me why ultimately BSV will win out in the end im open to hearing it. Like specifically what's the strategy or key features that btc doesn't have that will ultimately see it take the top spot

Posting real Satoj

Another thing that led to this thought was listening to Daniel Krawisz talk and seeing his blog post from a long time ago and thinking what does this man see that I don't. He's obviously very smart and independent thinker. What am I missing

craig likely knows who satoshi is, and that satoshi has entered some sort of nda in order to maintain blockstream and not get the assange treatment.

Craig's using this info to perpetrate a scam, which is kinda his MO. Get just enough edge on information on people to scam them

>>22543481
>Satoshi imo was clearly a team of people lead by Nick Szabo.

>Nick Szabo, James Bowery, Hal Finney

3 Satoshi email addresses

For the Three Satoshis

>>22543522
I'm not that anon, but on a protocol level, I'd say BSV is closest to the Bitcoin originally mentioned by Satoshi. However, that alone does not necessarily mean that BSV will win.

>>22542777
bsv is technologically superior to btc
the rest is politics and overall noise

>>22543867
Nick Szabo didn't even know, that Bitcoin is turing complete. He doesn't understand Bitcoin, because he didn't create it

>>22543576
I also got redpilled by Daniel. He's truly based.

>>22543522
BSV will win, if there is going to be people, corporations and institutions, that will want to make lots of fast and cheap transactions. If crypto is going to stay as a circlejerk of less than a million people around the world, from which most will hodl, and trade scams, than BSV will loose. In other words BSV could have superior tech, but still loose, because nobody wants to use it, but it's unlikely, that nobody will be interested in microtransactions. Google could make way more money with fees, over commercials.

>>22543569
Adam Back is real Satoji

>>22544545
blockstream shill != satoshi

>>22542777
No. You're simply just realizing you're not "rational as fuck" and instead are slightly retarded.

>>22544258
please explain how

>>22544545
Nah. He's not qualified. The obvious answer is the obvious answer.

>>22544169
fine lets say its the closest to satoshi vision. why is this an advantage? satoshi wasn't Jesus (the codebase for example was ridden with bugs). why are terabyte blocks a high IQ thing and not just ridiculously unsustainable

>>22542777
Jesus Christ. Craig preaches people to work hard if they want to be successful, while you morons try to shill me worthless scam tokens. I fucking hate all of you goddamn shills.

>>22544661
20 years ago people used to have hard drives, that had tens of gigabytes at most. Now people have tens of terabytes, In 10 years terabyte blocks will be nothing. Making a 1MB limit is truly retarded. It artificially makes BTC into a "VIP" club

>>22544673
CSW != BSV
We have our own original thoughts. CSW is a workaholic. Just look at Calvin. He's everything opposite, of what CSW is saying.

This is not 2019 anymore, you're a thing of the past, old man

>>22542777
I can honestly say I have never once considered buying this obvious scam.
the BSV shilling at this point is just getting sad.

>>22542777
I think it'll be obvious BSV is what Satoshi Nakamoto created once the crypto market is gone 10 years from now and everyone will say they always knew this was going to happen and probably not a day before then.
People are using these coins to gamble and hope to get rich quick, no one is really being rewarded that much for being wrong or right at this point. Value-investing isn't yet a thing in the 'crypto markets.' Which is why BSV isn't so much overvalued or undervalued, but everything else sure is overvalued. You only need one blockchain and that is and always has been were it will end.

>>22544886
but it must take insane hardware for a node to process 1tb block every 10 minutes. or is the BSV idea that they don't care for individuals running nodes? (like etheream)

>>22545175
Specialization into huge mining farms. That's capitalism. The key factor in BSV's succes is being either marginally or way more efficient at literally everything its competitors do. It's impossible to micro-analyze everything in how BSV code interacts with actual human behavior and not come to that conclusion. Unless if you're a communist and use emotion logic over actual reason.
Beyond that, BitCoin at scale is a machine that sucks up and sorts all of the world's information in the Blacknet (others call it Metanet, but that's a bad name). None of what I'm saying is hyperbole, though all this will take probably decades.

>>22543522
>Like specifically what's the strategy or key features that btc doesn't have that will ultimately see it take the top spot
Unbounded blocks and unbounded script length. This means fees are gonna stay incredibly lower than btc and eth, fees are already hurting their growth, while bsv keeps sub cent transaction fees allowing a plethora of applications that can only exist on a low fee blockchain like twetch (Twitter but you pay a couple cents per interaction), streamanity, peer game, powping.

IF bsv wins, it will be because the services built on top of it keep growing in popularity, bringing real users on chain, so it's a long game, wereas many coin play a short term marketing game and ignore regulations, but it's still not a given that bsv will win.

One good thing is that there is much more upside than downside. For example, Craig reputation cannot really go lower than this, even if he keeps making a fool of himself, the market has already priced in Craig being a scammed. But if there is a remote possibility he one day actually signs publicly with an early block, the upside is incredible (and consider that people like Gavin still swore under oath that they believe the private signing he witnessed was real)

>>22545704
(still me) some relevant datapoints in pictures

>>22545780

>>22543522
Bitcoin (BSV) can do two things really well:
1.Eliminate the need for business processes and practices which currently cost corporations and governments hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars in overhead globally
2.Enable completely new online markets and private and public economies in which internet activity of all types can be instantly rewarded with negligible friction and no middlemen
These 2 statements alone encompass thousands of use cases and can literally start a fifth industrial revolution, completely online.
The problem (specifically with point #2) is a lot of powerful people will lose money, influence and power to the <0.1%ers (not so much by the Bitcoin price increase, but more so by the creation of entrepreneurial internet economies as an alternative to wageslaving and increasing competition with incumbent services) if something like this ever catch on at a large scale, so it makes obvious sense for them to have a vested interest in keeping the crypto space fragmented and fudding BSV into oblivion. Mastercard funded Blockstream ffs
I'd pick up few handful for the long term just in case good triumphs over evil.

>>22545546
wasn't satoshi vision that a node should be able to run on a laptop so that anyone can verify their transactions. having nodes that only enterprise can run seems to run against this

>>22544962
I know. I was addressing Blockstream shills and defi scammers.

>>22545704
don't you think Craig would have signed a message by now?

also given its been around for a while now realistically when can we expect a flood of apps and services to be built on BSV. like at some point you have to wonder why popularity is low

>>22545808
to be fair one conclusion from this is that nobody is using BSV. you'd probably have to include block size too (to show usage) for a better comparison

>>22545704
also with unbounded blocks and very low fees what's to stop pure spam on the network. you could upload 100tb of garbage right?

>>22546259

He said multiple times he expected in the future nodes to only be run in server farms, see this quote:
>>22544545
taken from this: https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/2/#selection-81.0-81.519

Or the one on the left

>>22546436
ok fair point and props for posting an actual quote

>>22542979
good points. they should've never gone with satoshi larp, but i mean CSW is sociopathic liar...

Craig Wright is Satoshi's fallguy. A red herring purposely meant to distract the masses into believing he is the real deal when he is truly just the figure head of BSV but not the Mastermind behind it all.

>>22546498
Just out of curiosity, how long have you been in bitcoin?
Are you familiar with this?:
https://medium.com/hackernoon/the-great-bitcoin-scaling-debate-a-timeline-6108081dbada

>>22546689
thanks ill give this a full read. lurking since ~2014 and generally aware of the block size drama. was always of the opinion that small is better for a solid consensus layer that doesn't get trashed with spam and let layer 2 solutions do scalability

>>22546321
Yea, I believe the probability of him having the private keys to those early blocks is extremely low, but there are also very plausible strategic explanations as for why he could have those private keys but not be willing to use them yet.
One possible explanation, from the lawsuit with ira kleiman, the keys are supposedly in a trust, if he shows publicly that instead he has control of the keys, that means the trust is void and he is actually in control of those assets, which can be then attacked by lawsuit or seized. Waiting until lawsuit resolution before doing anything with the keys could be safe. He could also want to play this card later, after he has aligned as much as possible to gain the most from it (moving as much of his wealth from btc to bsv without impacting the market too much). Again i think the probability he has those keys is less than 10%, but you have to ask yourself what he privately showed to guys like Gavin, Calvin, Ryan Charles, Ian Grigg and Joe Matonis, for them to state publicly they are fully certain that Craig is satoshi.

>>22546366
Fair enough, i thought the same, you can look at something like the chart on the left, which proves bsv is able to handle more transactions at lower fees (though it doesnt prove more usage since currently a lot of these transactions are somewhat spam)

>>22546435
It's up to miners to accept it or not, not up to a central planner. Capitalism.

>>22546321
>when can we expect a flood of apps and services to be built on BSV
That is already happening. Look at something like metastore.app to get a sense of apps being deployed on bsv or https://bitcoinblocks.live/historical . I just checked my wallet and i did 18 bsv transactions today, also deployed a new app on bsv just this week. Most cryptos dont have as much momentum in terms of real usage and development outside of trading

>>22542777
I can't imagine even one possible reason someone might not want to sign if they had the ability to do so. That someone might even go and put on a show of fraudulently signing? That's just unrealistic.

>>22546873
>let layer 2 solutions do scalability
See, here's the thing: this "consensus opinion" was not formed organically, but was the product of tons of top-down censorship in /r/bitcoin (yeah, I know plebbit, but the sub was undeniably a critical venue for discussion at the time) as well as on bitcointalk. Before 2015 the common understanding was that on-chain scaling WOULD happen, but this general understanding was slowly and insidiously eroded by theymos and his cronies, who used aggressive censorship to protect their minority opinion. This sounds outlandish, but I can tell you I was there and saw it happen in real time. If you want to get a better idea of what I'm talking about or just want evidence that I'm not telling you a tall tale, look at this:
https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-history-of-censorship-in-r-bitcoin-c85a290fe43
One of the KEY issues that the censors targeted was the issue of scaling. Everyone who tried to sound the alarm bells that Lightning Network was garbage was silenced without mercy, but it now turns out that they were right. After years and years of promises that a scaling solution was just "18 months away," LN has been implemented and proven itself to be a giant dumpster-fire. Effectively history has proven the LN naysayers right, but it is a tragedy that we had to waste more than five years and two major forks to figure it out. That tragedy would have been averted if the discussion had played out organically without all the censorship, astroturfing and other bullshit from the small block minority.

>>22547389
Pic related here: >>22546873

>>22546259
No, the opposite. If everyone can run the Bitcoin network you have dilution of responsibility. You can have all sorts of messed up stuff on chain, or money designed used in illicit purposes. With a few huge miners you have everything to lose. The reward for following the rules (and the law) are a nice profit, but you literally lose tens of millions if not more if you change the coin's properties to allow illicit activity.
Honestly you should just follow some BSV people on Twitter and read long-form pro BitCoin articles they occascionally post or link to. Stuff like a few nodes vs. tens of thousands of nodes is really basic knowledge, without a grasp of easy concepts it's easy to not get BSV.

>>22547389
Try to imagine being the owner of a 10 billion dollar winning lottery ticket which according to the public you don't have and announcing "hey it's right here, I found it!" to the world while also being sued for 10 billion dollars by a jew scammer
It's hard to imagine but try

>>22542777
fucking checked can a non-schizo anon redpill me on BSV if it turns out the crypto media is as wrong about this as the mainstream media is about everything I will kms for missing out but I dont want to fall for anymore pajeet scams

>>22544661
>lets say its the closest to satoshi vision
so satoshi envisioned a minority hash non-consensus shitfork pretending to be bitcoin?
yeah... right.

>>22547452
since when is reddit relevant to anything?

>>22546881
>but there are also very plausible strategic explanations as for why he could have those private keys but not be willing to use them yet
bollocks the potential in those keys for trolling is too great for the aussie faglord to forgo.

>>22547824
When BSV cumulative hash exceeds that of BTC for six consecutive blocks, you have my permission to die.

>>22547658
You don’t “run” the network if you don’t mine. There’s only going to be a handful of miners that actually are profitable through mining. If one of the miners breaks the rule, every other miner will blacklist that miner. They are incentivized you do so. If you want to argue the opposite it works as well. Let’s say your worried about “government control” which would cause the miner to act in opposition to the “rules” of bitcoin. (Ie. China won’t process blocks from any transactions out of Iran) unless this is globally acceptable this jeopardizes the entire miner. Every other miner in the US, UK, etc... will then exclude all blocks from that Chinese miner. They have now lost all investment into their mining company. Now what if china owns 60% of the network and decides to ban Iran again. Well if this is not globally accepted (treaties/ trade agreements exist you anarchist retards), they are essesstinally changing bitcoin at a fundamental level. Because bitcoin works with law. This is why locking the protocol in stone is so important.

>>22542777
It literally doesn’t matter if he is he’s already a cringe pariah that no one wants anything to do with, core is already getting the institutional hedges now and that’s all that matters, BSV is illiquid and basically only washtraded

>>22547907
really faggot so i can't die ever? is that what you are saying?

>>22543867
Very likely even Gavin andressen says that’s a possibility in his most recent interview and in the deposition he said Craig basically had suicide attempt to get out of proving he had the keys so cringe

>>22547898
Only some kind of rare 180iq genius would have the foresight and discipline to use the Satoshi keys so strategically

>>22547919
>bitcoin works with law
oh boy you could just make a law that double spend is illegal why have proof of work? why waste so much time and energy on this shit? fucking retard!

>>22548001
Why indeed, who would ever attack the financial infrastructure if it was *illegal*!

>>22547998
like signing a message saying
"follow my vision" the exact day bsv launches?
you know it would have blown the fuck up the entire crypto world without ever proving anything remotely about craig or his lawsuits...

no the trolling potential untapped guarantees nobody pretending to be satoshi has the keys.

>>22548001
People only break the law if their economically incentivized. Look at what happened in 1971 with the gold reserves of the US. An honest network provides more trust than a printing press and a piece of paper.

>>22548036
yeah just fucking ban doubles spends man problem solved! also ban cp drugs and murder if you are having a blast banning things.

>>22548068
If there is an immutable audit trail, crime will drop drastically. There’s a reason why people commit more crimes during the night retard.

>>22548059
>People only break the law if their economically incentivized
or if they have a bad day
or out of anger or spite
or just don't really give a fuck
or think it's funny
...
yeah only then or maybe i don't know a hundred other reasons

>>22548107
We are talking about a global economic infrastructure. Not a domestic abuse idiot.

>>22548042
yup liar and a fraud like it says in those signed messages

>>22548042
Instead someone signed "Lightning Network is a significant achievement" with early keys that were listed in the keys Craig supposedly controls. This 100% proves that Lightning Network is a significant achievement and craig and big blockers are BTFO forever.
>>22548068
You're right, the legal system is sufficient, no problems certain people might have seen

>>22548097
rofl you really are stupid
there is an immutable evidence trail of all my transactions on the bitcoin blockchain so tell me how many bitcoins i have! i don't ask you to tell me if i murdered someone or what did i had for breakfast... just easy things you can get from a block explorer.
go on you fucking retard!

>>22547998
>some kind of rare 180iq genius
about that...

>>22548156
A lot of crime is for money. Drugs, trafficking, bribes, financial fraud... etc.
>your retarded rant
No I don’t care how many bitcoins you have. Or how much money you have in your account. That’s private to you and your bank/accountants.

>>22548210
>No I don’t care how many bitcoins you have.
also you can't fucking tell. you can't tell shit from your immutable evidence trail and you can prove even less.

>>22543481

Go read all the other Patoshi posts, he went back and forth for years but ultimately it lines up with CSW'S claim

>>22546873

Layer 2 will never beat on chain, never, these are decade long network effects that people really don't think about yet

>>22548236
not to mention they claim in the kleiman case to have mined 1 million btc between 2011 and 2013 providing the fund. which is ridiculous but also those are not the satoshi coins as satoshi mined 2009 and some in 2010.


so the court case is about bitcoins that never were-

>>22548233
Are you retarded? When you sign up for coinbase or any other credible fiat to bitcoin institution they follow AML/ KYC. Just because the infrastructure isn’t implemented everywhere at the present moment doesn’t mean the laws don’t exist. You just haven’t been caught yet. Trying moving 2m from your bitcoin wallet selling it for cash and moving that to your account. See what happens.

Cant imagine what it’d feel like if i checked crypto one day in 2024 and it turned out all the wacko bsv biz fucks were right all along and i missed out. Human emotions aren’t meant for that level of torture so i bought 25 bsvs to stash away. $4k is worth the peace of mind and the alternative is a hell i wouldn’t wish on anyone

>>22548275
>Layer 2 will never beat on chain
found the brainlet
why would layer 2 beat layer 1 when it is pointless worthless and won't work without layer 1? the fuck are you smoking to say such things?

>>22548313
nobody can tie any btc i own to my identity stop sperging out! they can speculate maybe but they can prove fucking nothing.

>>22548371
Why are you so agitated right now? Also for sure they can trace it back to you as soon as you attempt to use it

>>22547865
>arguing about something that was already clearly inb4'd
Raging low IQ faggot detected.
>>22547907
Audibly keked

>>22543867
Kleiman/Wright/Finney

>>22548423
to prove that someone owns certain bitcoins you would have to prove that he is in possession of a secret you simply don't know.

do you now understand how ridiculous that sounds? i'm pretty upset because 60 iq fucknuggets having a blast pretending to be geniuses here yapping about bitcoin when they don't know the first thing about it.

>>22548435
stop imagining things niglet and stay out of the adults talk

>>22548552
>>22548569
>16 posts of barely coherent rage
How about you shut the fuck up idiot / disinfo shill

>>22548552
How do you think your computer connects to other computers? Not tor, not i2p, not any broadcast tricks like dandelion, can stop the NSA from mapping blockchain activity to network activity

>>22546881
>muh real usage
absolutely nobody is using this piece of shit for anything, average blocksize on bitcoinblocks right now is one measly megabyte, miners make fuck all money on this hunk of garbage. the most popular app is twetch a shitposting platform with less than 20k users. statistically absolutely irrelevant and might not even exist.

>>22545704
Aren't the relevant parts of ETH sorting this out through layer 2 scaling? And since this is the case, is there some other benefit to using BSV over ETH?

>>22548613
jesus just fucking stop i could use the wifi of a mcdonalds while in it's parking lot whatever super surveillance you dream up i can defeat it for less than 5 bucks.

>>22548671
ETH is not nearly as secure as bitcoin by virtue of it's design. If the value of bitcoin transacted on ETH becomes sufficiently large, you easily reach a point at which it becomes profitable to attack the ethereum chain.

>>22548798
but you didn't, and now they know

>>22548830
that's just your imagination playing with you anon. you actually know nothing. nobody does.
and that's my point the only thing bitcoin blockchain immutably evidences is the integrity of the ruleset, that sum of outputs match the sum of inputs. ownership and whatnot is only in your head. it's not evidenced. you are guessing. and you couldn't prove shit in court beyond reasonable doubt.
this is ridiculous.

>>22542777
>wonder that there's the very slim chance he could be the one and it would be worth stocking up on a few BSV
no

>>22548156
your bank knows. and guess who can audit the bank?

>>22549018
no they don't know shit.
they probably don't even know what bitcoin is mind you.
for fucks sake you can even buy bitcoin out of a fucking atm for cash.

>>22549018
>Heh, you don't understand, kid. I mine at a loss behind 10 proxies and all the bank sees is my giant electric bill. I'm always three steps ahead of the spooks. *flourishes katana*

>>22549106
>>22548944
>>22548798
>>22548569
>>22548552
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

>>22547786
>That gif
We need to meme the meme war harder until it is unironically considered one of the most important events in all of Western history.

>>22549106
and they all have cameras built right into them, the ones that don't are sitting underneath one
now your face is tied to a wallet and they can check various cctv to follow you back home or to your car and then they have all your details
you are so dumb lmao

>>22543405
Never seen any difference between autism and narcissism. The latter seems to always be a part of the former

>>22549345
Cringy underage electionfags holy shit.

>>22549106
>for fucks sake you can even buy bitcoin out of a fucking atm for cash.
Anon, I have some bad news

>>22549345
it is.
>>22549600
fuck off shareblue trannie

>>22549766
Checked
Trannies and jannies get the gas

>>22549603
i just checked not only the atms still there from years ago there is about 10 times as many of them.
some seem to require above a certain limit some identification. but then again you have no id under a certain limit so you can just keep punching those buttons until your cash is spent.
many of them outright don't have kyc. so there is that.

>>22546321
>don't you think Craig would have signed a message by now?
About that...

>>22550065

>>22550170
it's amazing you make this argument when you know gavin has never gone back on his belief craig is satoshi. Why bother? the percentage of people that won't check have no money and the remainder now know everything you say is nonsense

>>22550299
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.589.3.pdf

>>22550393
DELETE THS RIGHT NOW

>>22550393
planets are continuing to align fren

>>22550393

Damn havent seen this yet, based Gavin

>>22550393
>gobbledygook
wtf

>>22550299
you gonna lose everything and i'm okay with that.

>>22550579
https://craigwright.net/blog/math/jean-paul-sartre-signing-and-significance/
>>22550594
bsv would have to go very negative for me to lose everything. you keep making shit arguments though, it's in my interest

>>22550393
gavin was bamboozled by bogus script
and since craig was able to pull that on him i'm real glad gavin is not merging pull requests on bitcoin anymore.

>>22550646
>bsv would have to go very negative for me to lose everything
it will no worries.
>>22550646
come on don't be so fucking stupid. craig cheats on signatures the same way he reuses the block 9 tx as "random satre". he was caught doing this redhanded.

>>22550689
here is a nice pasta to explain:

there are two main ways to fake a satoshi signature
1) signature reuse (a tx signed by satoshi is passed on as "random" message or "satre").
2) a failure to prove a hash that is verified in a signature belongs to an intelligible and not reused message. because from the public keys anyone can generate a valid signature for random "h(m)" such is the nature of ecdsa.

>>22550717
>25 posts by this id

>>22550766
this is gonna be my last one: sorry for your loss! just kidding i'm actually having a blast with you cucks out of top 10.

>>22548658
>the most popular app is twetch a shitposting platform with less than 20k users

so, what is the most popular social media platform built on btc with actual daily users?

I was in btc since 2010, i remember when it started gaining traction, when you could buy drugs online, gamble on satoshi dice, then you could buy games on steam, tip people on reddit, a growing number of real stores were accepting it... and then what? Blockstream refused to increase the blocksize, transaction fees shot up so steam stopped accepting it, reddit tipping disappeared, stores stopped accepting it. I have seen real usage reach its peak and then fall down once blocks started to be full. So fuck small blocks

>>22542777
The high IQ take is that he got high on the 2017 run to $2000, got pissy about Segwit and backed Bcash. He blew most of his BTC trying to establish the Bcash fork and it turned out that it didn't flip BTC and wasn't the start of a new paradigm. after it crashed 90%, he realized that all he held was Bcash and that this wouldn't last. He started making a ton of noise about being Satoshi. People disproved a lot of it in embarrassing ways but he had to commit to the bit if he was going to double his Bcash by forking the chain he still had a balance on. Now the fuck is trying to use courts to justify forking the BTC founder account for the SV chain so he can start fucking around and try to trade it for some BTC before the real shit happens. Sad. I'm sure people who've done more than browse the odd CW thread can go into more detail.

I hope you're alone in wondering that he might really be Satoshi. Or that you at least aren't a rational person discrediting the rest of us.

>>22551257
Other shitcoins took over the games and constantly run into the same scaling issues. Bigger blocks don't help at all.

>>22551427
And yet bsv has already shown to be able to handle a much higher throughput than btc and eth for lower fees.. but blockstream said it cant be done so it cannot be...

and yet it moves...

>>22543313
you have never opened a single line of node.cpp in your life
lmao

>>22544364
>Bitcoin is turing complete
it isn't lmao

>>22551427
>bigger blocks dont help with fees
you've been brainwashed.
with similar tx volume bsv is 3000x cheaper

>>22551309

By all means please keep doing what you're doing

>>22550766
Based and really-makes-you-think-pilled
Also checked

>>22552161
https://medium.com/@craig_10243/a-proof-of-turing-completeness-in-bitcoin-script-3cf5aa7aeb83

>>22552121
unironic compliment

>>22552121
You win the thread award for "Best Impression of Greg"

>>22543405
>Satoshi is a brilliant introverted autist.
Right here >>22543569

>>22543405
>>22553034

if you are introverted and have had experience with public speaking, you'll know that Craig is actually introverted too and autistic as fuck. He doesn't really have fantastic orator qualities but he knows a lot of stuff which keeps him afloat

He talks to crowds like university students

>Who here knows ________??!?

There's no wholistic structure to his presentations, he just machine guns slide by slide and suddenly it's the end

He's not extroverted because he's convinced few people with just words

>>22553566
>Craig is actually introverted too and autistic as fuck
nope - hes a fraud and a complete wanker.
you know that saying, 'empty vessels make the most noise'? Thats creg. Hollow. Vacant. No signal, just endless fucking bullshit.

If you think CSW being Satoshi sounds absurd I would agree, but remember clown world tends to reward the absurd

>>22553700
>he didn't offer to sign for me and i have put as much effort into bitcoin as andreson and others and i am seething to the max so i will fud him to the grave
t.greggles

>>22554000
>owowow dont shout at me IM AUTISTIC and Ill get a doctor to PROVE IT IN COURT and if you TRY AND MAKE ME SIGN I'll STAB MYSELF and and ad fucking infinitum..
fucking kill yourself.
and I mean that quite sincerely

>>22554085
shifty shifty greggles the jew, you're a shit dev with shit ideas that almost killed bitcoin
luckily satoshi is back to save it
STIFF

>>22554085
>Fucking kill yourself.
>and I mean that quite sincerely

>>22553700
that would apply to retards like tone vays, Charlie Lee, that Swedish square headed faggot youtuber but this guy has conservatively 600+ patents in the works and nChain have at least 80 employees. You would think a scammer would run out of money by now considering he hasn't sold a damn thing to anyone

>>22552987
kek

>>22542777
Greg is a thief stealing a dead man's creation, a literal nigger

>>22546873
Going with that logic, what would stop people from spamming 2nd layer? In fact Bitcoin could stop real spam. Like if a Pajeet would need to pay 1 cent to send an email, than he would have to pay $100 for sending 10000 spam emails.Who cares about spam on blockchain? Only miner, that is going to get paid to put these transactions into blockchain.

>>22542777
If you don't at least have a suicide stack of 1 you're a fucking moron

>>22556548
yeah, this piece of garbage is only 63% down since that post was made. oyvey why didn't we only listen? may god have mercy etfuckingcetera

>>22550659
you ungrateful fuck, You wouldn´t know shit about bitcoin or anything related if it wouldn´t be for him, that kept the project going.

>>22542777
You are unsure?
Rationally it is the wisest decision to hedge your fund nominally with the same amount of BSV compared to BTC value. At least up to the price point where your doubt is equal to the BTC/BSV price ratio.

eg: are you less than 98% sure that BSV will not rule alone supreme like some anons are saying? then buy BSV when ratio is <2%......it´s at 1.5% right now.

You have to be more than 98.5% sure that CSW is a scammer and the whole BSV ecosystem is one giant Bitconnect 2.0 ponzi to not be interested in sleeping sound like >>22548323.


https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoryofBitcoin/playlists

The doubt is a rift between not only noobs that listen and regurgitate what MSMCrypto channels are spewing, but also OGs hat have been in the space since before the bullruns, since before bitcoin had a price of 1/5000 of a Domino´s Pizza.

You can be adamant about it and stand on one side of the fence, which one is your choice, or play both sides and just watch the spectacle unfold.

>>22554262

Lmao where is this from, please tell me that is real

>>22552661
lol

>>22557327
>take what the division of labor did for the global standard and square it
this is taking it a bit far. just because i can send $0.0000001, does not mean it will revolutionize things more than the shift from hunter gatherer to farming colonies.

sure, it makes lots of things better. but people dont always want to "lease" (micropayments) often they want to "buy" (big payment then nothing)

>>22557820
I always imagine the invention of bitcoin to be on par for humanity as a whole with other paradigm shifting inventions like the printing press and the steam engine. Both toppled and created empires. I don´t know what invention caused the nomads to settle down, but yes, bitcoin has the potential to shift humanity at least as much as the printing press.

following >>22556548 rabbit hole I came to this: https://www.xoken.org/blog/ which I didn´t even know existed until now..... Imagination is more important than knowledge. These guys are doing this on a stable, scalable pow chain and only on BSV is that possible.

on sending 0.00000001$.. Remember: if you are not getting charged, you are the product.

>>22550065
read the deposition lmao he faked a suicide attempt when he actually had to show proof to andressen and in a newer interview said it could have been szabo and hal

Henri de Castries is a chairman of Bilderberg Group, he is also the CEO and chairman of insurance giant AXA. He used his venture capitalist firm, AXA Strategic Ventures, to invest $55M into Blockstream. Blockstream is the developer group behind Bitcoin Core (BTC, $10,000). Also, Federal Reserve Bank of New York Board Director Glenn Hutchins is a board member of Digital Currency Group, along with other kikes, one of whom was Treasury Sec of the Clinton Admin. MasterCard and banks are invested in DCG. DCG is invested in Blockstream.

Blockstream hardforked the original Bitcoin protocol into a new protocol, Bitcoin Core.
Blockstream crippled BTC with high fees, limited the block size at 1MB, and removed operational codes that allow Bitcoin to function properly, and kiked everything completely with Lightning Network and SegWit.

Bilderberg, Federal Reserve, MasterCard, other traditional banking sector companies ruined the original Bitcoin protocol and they've turned into something that they control and profit from.

They did this because an original Bitcoin protocol makes fractional reserve banking obselete

BSV is the real Bitcoin protocol
CSW is Satoshi
Judge Reinhardt is connected to Epstein

>>22558772
>BSV is the real Bitcoin protocol
>CSW is Satoshi
>Judge Reinhardt is connected to Epstein
what about Judge Bloom then?
she's not very fond of the fat retard either.
ran out of credible (ho) anti-creg conspiracies to claim she's involved with?
and EVERY other Judge the fat dick ever lost to? And thats ALL of them, for the record.
>tangled webs etc.

>>22552451
>brainwashed
By who? I know systems and BSV is a system that doesn't work just like BTC without second layer solutions is a system that doesn't work. This was clear years before you retards made some kind of political movement around being proud incompetent retards.

>>22544364
>Nick Szabo didn't even know, that Bitcoin is turing complete. He doesn't understand Bitcoin, because he didn't create it

and yet satoshi himself said that it isn't turing complete.

>>22546881
having skimmed metastore.app I'm honestly not too impressed. Its pretty easy to make an App Store and fill it with useless apps that nobody is using. even twetch seems dead

>>22547658
>or money designed used in illicit purposes
this seems to me to be the entire value proposition of bitcoin

>>22555190
>what would stop people from spamming 2nd layer

I think spam means different things on L1/2. Spamming base layer is filling it with useless blocks that full nodes have to store forever. Spamming on L2 means just a shitload of transactions which ultimately are transient and as long as people are paying the fee then whatever right?

>>22560074
>I know systems