/biz/ - Business & Finance

im going to sleep early

>>22336445
dubs and we circuit breaker tomorrow

i just want my money back so i can go home. please.

NASDAQ technical levels were broken at close. Take that as you will.

>>22336465
Night Night

oh no no no wait till you see it
PGHHHAAA HHH OHHH HAAAA

TOO MUCH VOLUME ON /smg/ TODAY I CAN'T KEEP UP.

Continuing from last thread:
>>22336462
Anybody have input on equal weight ETFs? Anon asking wanted better diversification.

>>22336480
bubble popping?

do i buy Tesla with my student loan?

nvda

>>22336480
Broken as in?

>>22336469
Here, take my dubs.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>22336469
check these digits for breakers at the 4am ding
>>22336470
no

Anyone invest in Evil Disney?

JANNIE ARE YOU OKAY

ARE YOU OKAY

ARE YOU OKAY JANNIE

>>22336509
this, frankly

>>22336501
Yeah, sure. Let's burst the higher education bubble.

>>22336516
You mean regular Disney?

Threadly Reminder the palantir investor conference is tomorrow at 10am est

https://palantir.events/PalantirInvestorDay

alright boys what's the play for tomorrow

>>22336501
Won't biden forgive it or something. Seems like a free money cheat.

>>22336504
that's a man

>>22336559
who gives a shit. you guys will tell me its acronym and when i can buy it anyway

WHEW

Okay, it's finally returning to normal guys. You bought the dip right?

>banks are currently fucked because they were stupid and greedy boomers that got reamed by repo markets again
>oil is currently fucked because OPEC is doubling down on being stupid
Literally what the FUCK is the play?

>>22336501
Smart money is parked until post election. The market hates uncertainty all you are seeing is the big fish cashing out their chips while you retards hold their bags.

>>22336563
i'm not from the US thankfully

>>22336562
Play the fun stock game

>>22336504
I would like to make love to her in my bedroom, if you catch my drift

>>22336480
red dildo is below the memelines, so we go up now, right?

Why the fuck did TSLA pump so much AH. I sold at 311 after buying at 428 since it was dumping so hard and now I had to buy back at 325. Fucking bullshit.

>>22336601
We go down most likely

>>22336621
TSLA is down after hours, though

Look, I just don't like black people ok. 75% of the time I deal with a black person it's just unpleasant, some of them are alright but people will always have in-group preference and view out-groups as competition for resources.

I will make money tommorow morning :)

>>22336563

No. He was Vice President for 8 years.

we either had the dead cat bounce friday, so we should be near the bottom as we hit the 50-day SMA, so thursday and friday will be green.

OR

we've got a dead cat bounce coming so there'll be a good escape hatch for bag holders tomorrow during one of the power hours.

>Apple (AAPL). This stock's uptrend is still intact, according to its bullish trend line (blue). Notice how Apple's 50-day moving average, in red, runs parallel to that trend line.

The plan here is to buy Apple at the 50-day moving average, currently near $107. Note that Apple's RSI (relative strength index) has dropped out of overbought territory.

Thoughts bros?

>>22336631
Yeah but it's only overvalued by about 240% so it is still a "strong buy" if you are an inbred retard.

>>22336621
>I had to buy back
no you didn’t

>>22336504
born to be bred by BBC

>>22336581
This.
Banks, tech and oil is dying

I’m sure as shit not going to change my fundamental approach, so I’m just buying the Dips and holding long

>>22336656
how do i learn how to draw meme lines

kek

Would it be safe to hold TMF and gold miners through this downturn? I have NAIL too and I dont want to sell at a loss. Its not tech, shouldnt it recover some? If I sell it all Ill have wiped out most of my gains for this year.

>>22336584
What about parking in a REIT for some gay dividend action. I feel like I would be less stressed

>>22336511
Strap in gentlemen, time to repent for the Jews sins.

>>22336641
based

can we start talking about where to start buying in to tech again?

i still love FAGMAN but i want to know what to look for in regards to when a "bottom" starts to form that i can buy before the next rally. like, im hoping AMD gets down to at least around 60 based on the previous range before softbank fucked everything up. 60 to 90 would be a nice profit for a buy and hold.

>>22336656
If AAPL rushes to 50-day moving average then you can be sure that gap will be filled before thinking about going up.

>>22336656
The stock just split, it needs more demand because twice as many shares outstanding

>>22336677
mutts law featuring clause 1 >>22336571

What happens if tqqq drops to 0

>>22336686
Zoomers got too cocky about how great they thought they were with options. They will get blown out so hard that they will never touch the market again after any of this

>>22336504
i would never date a woman who could kick my ass or had a bigger dick than me.

>>22336656
that’s my mom’s stock broker's plan, he told her early last week he'd buy some for her when it dropped to ~100

>>22336504
I bet she can't even do 10 pullups.

>>22336728
all of the anime pedos on /smg/ rope

>>22336728
you lose all your money

good thing it's impossible for that to happen. It can only approach 0

>>22336683
just draw a line of best fit over the top and bottom of the price action, a retard could do it.

>>22336654
You missed that on Thursday.

>>22336692
Just wait until the next draft activation in your lifetime.

>>22336581
Upp,vxx,tlt

>>22335249
ONLY IF U POST UR AUY STACK

>>22336654
>SMA instead of EMA

???

>>22336744
>my mom’s stock broker's plan
and? it's not a terrible plan. simple is better sometimes.

>>22336800
those are all men. also what does gold/silver/copper mining have to do with trannies?

>>22336802
One is just as arbitrary as the other.

>>22336796
Meh, I just got out of the army. It was alright. Now I work for almost 6 figures tax free monitoring satellite links and scratching my balls. I guess it wasn’t so bad.

>>22336832
what i care about are self-fulfilling prophecies the tutes use. ergo it's not arbitrary because the tutes give a fuck about these metrics.

How do you sell the open?

How the fuck do you know where to set your limit order when you sell the open? Or do you just do a market order?

i'm so fucked and fuckin up

Ok bros

I am finally having my money clear because of some account fuckery when I was selling my TSLA gainz and I was originally planning on splitting between
AAPL, MSFT, and QQQ. But I don't think its wise to get into QQQ anymore (I am fairly certain that AAPL and MSFT are still good long term grabs). Where should I be dumping my $$ for good dip-resistant long term tech level gainz?

tldr; this faggot hopes someone knows the future and hopes that somone can suggest a better option for buying into the dip than QQQ.

>Nasdaq not dumping for a change

>>22336846
>the tutes use
They don't use that.

>>22336504
nvda what you simp faggot

>>22336863
20/50/200 EMA's especially on the daily time frame are very commonly used.

>>22336838
Sounds alright. Buddy of mine is in the Rangers and seems like he’s ready to go postal anytime I chance to see or hear from him.

>>22336865
nvdeez nuts

>>22336857
also, did I fuck up and miss my chance on NKLA or is there a decent chance of a good daily grab for tomorrow? WKHS?

>>22336899
Yes, for general orientation, not for strict trading.

OH N-

>>22336654
>we've got a dead cat bounce coming so there'll be a good escape hatch for bag holders tomorrow during one of the power hours
Ehh ill take it. I was screeching about etfs being poorly diversified last thread wherein youd be better off just picking a few "valuable" stocks, going all in, and holding compared to an etf where you might hate it's largest holdings which also happen to be a 10% holding in it put of 50 stocks.

Remember to buy more Home Depot tomorrow. Why buy into the top of a massive tech bubble when you can invest in boomers with wrenches and lawnmowers?

>>22336857
maybe wait and see what happens in the market. If this a downward market, you will just lose money.

>>22336862
just wait :^)

>>22336904
heh.
that was pretty good.

>>22336600
>not posting the superior BRAAAAAAP version
ngmi

>>22336956
i prefer to buy innovation, which would normally be fine if it weren't for some gambling nips ruining the party for everyone.

anyone have a good stock screener for the ASX? market views one if delayed and fuck paying for it

>>22336972
>what are shorts
>what are puts

>>22337024
That's a fud story. It was mostly retail hordes obsessed with buying nothing but OTM short term calls because of reddit and social media

can i have that money back please.

>>22336934
Yep. I only monitor the two most important ones. These two seem to play in to price action more often than others: 50 day EMA and 200 day SMA. Sometimes 200 week sma gets involved. S&P has a habit of using the 200 week as a rough place to stage a rebound after serious drawdown. If that lines get broken it means pure crash. Said line has not broken since 2008 by the by. It's also way down at $2758 right now.

>>22336955
leveraged ETFs are good for bull runs, though.

once this drop ends i'll be buying 100 shares of TQQQ, keeping them based on the 20-day moving average, and selling covered calls.

>>22336857
So you’re fine holding Apple and Microsoft but not QQQ? Do you know what the two biggest holdings of QQQ are? Probably not cause you’re on here asking to be spoon fed instead of figuring shit out yourself.

>>22337056
i doubt it. retail historically has little impact on moving the needle. retail are the ones who were buying TSLA at 500+. i have proof.

You guys DID buy the bottom of Tesla today right?

>>22337024
Or you can buy Home Depot and not have to worry about any of that. Just consistent 10% annual growth and dividend increase. Imagine buying a company that you have to check on every day to make sure it didn’t drop 50%. I couldn’t.

>>22337093
what is so hard to understand about wanting only AAPL and MSFT but not the rest of the bloat in QQQ?

#Bullrun tomorrow
Lets goooo

>>22337106
Bottom is 100

>>22337079
There is some curious notable times going way back when the 200 week came in to play. It marked the initial high rejection on the post-2008 rebound (in 2010). In 1987 this line was the near exact bottom of that flash crash.

I didn't sell shit. Tomorrow we will find out if it paid off lol

>>22337107
Imagine having the risk tolerance of a 70 year old

>>22337117
Pretty sure they want to kill any call options. Hopefully they just crab it around these levels for a month.

>>22337045
You could lose a lot of money with that shit.

>>22337100
>pic related
My God, that post has to be ironic, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of being of this moronic level of stupidity.

how does everyone cope with losses? for me I open my freezer and look at the tupperware full of cum that I've been cumming into and think to myself"well at least I still have a tupperware full of my frozen cum"

>>22337156
Imagine losing all your money because you gambled on Tesla and Zoom instead of just buying and holding good companies. I also hold MSFT and AAPL but im not stupid and I know that I should diversify a little and that’s why I’m barely down during this bloodshed while the rest of you are posting double digit % losses on your meme options

>>22337157
Yeah. I don't mind killing some FD fags but this drop now reaches 'serious concern' levels for investors as well.
>>22337199
I eat with my family and watch some videos on JewTube. Or anime.
It will all be fine.

>>22337107
that sounds comfy, tbqh.
i want at least one stock like that.

>>22336480

>>22336851
a little help friends?

>>22337107
any difference between HD and LOW or are they basically the same? how are we doing with the potential catalysts from the hurricane shit or other natural disasters that could come up?

i'll be honest i've been looking for a company that safely crabs in the general upward direction for quite some time now. i might look at some daily charts tomorrow now that im out of tech. i unironically just want something i can safely churn my 50k into more money by buying dips on, the only thing i currently have figured out is DCA'ing shorts on the VXX at 30+ because it deals with in contango decay and due to following the VIX which measures volatility it literally always goes back down. like it's literally physically impossible for volatility to stay high for that long in can only spike temporarily, it's the perfect trade when spikes occur (which isn't all the time).

i desperately want a good mean reversion stock that pays good divvies (so i can hold long term if i need to outlast and extended dip or covid-style crash) that i can keep buying the dip and selling the rip on, over and over. is HD that stock?

>>22337199
Usually I treat myself. Seriously. Steak and scotch tonight. Down 12 percent. Let's celebrate

>>22337216
what else for your diversity?

>>22336600
BRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPTHTBHTBHTBHBTHSShshsfffshshtssssszzzzt~

>>22337079
Uhhhh anon that’s a fib extension (roughly) off the top....

Hold me bobo

>>22336581
Can’t have a communist facist technocracy without technology

>>22337151
see: >>22336982

yesterday's futures were looking green and anon's were OOOOO'ing about that shit, too. shit didn't actually dump until the next morning.

>>22337113
>>22337093

Essentially this, I know QQQ's two largest are MSFT and AAPL. But QQQ won't move as much as AAPL will alone when they announce 5G iPhone next week. And if we are being honest, I am assuming the same if MSFT hits the news with a tiktok buy.

>>22336581
guns, ammo, land, seeds

>>22336709
AMD is worth like 20 bucks

>>22336581
get a real job instead of being wanna be trader that loses sleep over not being able to pay rent

>>22337100
I guess this guy was born in 81? He owns some shares of Tesla? He Ubers/Instacarts for a living?

Is this every Tesla investor?

>>22337194
he deleted the post unfortunately, which makes me pretty sure it's real. here's his profile btw: https://www.reddit.com/user/DavePi81/posts/

>>22337279
This. Yesterday the Eruopean and Asian markets had done really well, along with great futures for us. And then it all dumped this morning

>>22337229
So buy one. I’m shilling HD because I own it but there’s plenty out there. Look for blue chip companies that have been around forever and consistently show good stock price growth as well as growth within the company itself. HD, TGT, CAT, JNJ, KO. During major bull runs it’ll look weird next to the FAGMANs of your portfolio but during downturns you’ll be glad you have them.

had some pan seared bluefin tuna with sauteed onions and spinach
feels pretty good to have sold my shit on thursday

>>22337279
I know. I was there.
The lower we drop, the lower the risk for more dropping though. And the lower we drop the higher the chance we see some intervention from Jerome and friends.

I'm much more concerned with this
>>22336480

If we start selling off tomorrow we better all sell as well because we will crash.

Any other Tesla bros hurting right now?
I’m down $1,200

Some wizard please tell me it’ll go back to $400 :(

BROS?!

>>22337252
Other than tech I hold HD, JPM, DIS, boomer.b, PEP and CAT

tomorrow should be green, loaded up on puts and i'm great at losing money.

As a sophisticated investor, I generally sell retardedly OTM credit spreads for p-nut gainz. Then I buy SPY partial shares.

>>22336683
First, you slaughter the sacred roster and place its liver upon the stone altar in order to inspect the liver

>>22337319

I bought 250 shares of Delta. It's my first time owning this many shares and having this much equity.

Odin gift me with sick gainz and I will sacrifice many bulls and gay bears in your name.

>>22336480
technical levels are fake and gay.

>>22337252
XOM, RTX, KO diversity is key.

Also XOM and RTX are down today. Maybe wanna buy the dip tomorrow?

>>22336851
You do a market order. You can check pre-market to try and get a feel of what price action will be on the first five minutes but that's about it.

>>22336445
If the REIT guy is still in here I'll shill SPG.

People will say malls are about to die but they are really about to be repurposed into luxury goods sellers and fulfillment centers for companies like Walmart, Amazon and Target. First day delivery is the most important thing in the universe right now, fulfillment centers have to be expanded into the suburbs to achieve this. Empty Sears, JCPenney etc. stores can become these centers.

SPG has become a brilliant buyer of luxury goods stores that have went bankrupt during the pandemic. Basically google it but its a lot. They are going to take certain malls and reimagine them as places the rich go to shop for fine things.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/business/retail-bankruptcy-authentic-brands.html

If either of these things happen or both you could see 100% gain in 5 years + a 1.5$ dividend every quarter.

Hope this helps!

We aren't dumping into Thursday I guess.

>>22337106
>bottom
I hope this is a shitpost anon

>there are people in this thread unironically selling at these levels

>>22337435
Delta will come back, one day

>>22337370
What hapened here?

>>22337480
Imagine holding through 3 straight days of dump and selling now.

>>22337480
I honestly think like 4 people in this thread are actually concerned about their investments and the rest are just shitting about with their money for the memes.

>>22337364
that's fine and all but this whole rally was fake and gay due to japs and last time we crashed, we crashed over 50% before jerome and friends intervened. take that as you will.

i'd rather enjoy the volatility during day trading now, short the VXX, and wait until normalcy sets in again. much more profitable that way. this is the stock market after all and predictability is king, gamblers get fucked.

>>22337487

Then I'm going long as fuck.

Wake me when I've quadrupled my investment.

Excelsior!

Should I try and DCA my AAPL @ 125 lower when/if AAPL hits sub 110 or just sell

>>22337476
>whole thread becomes convinced that we're going straight to hell from here
>dump stops
always believe the opposite of what /smg/ says

>>22337489
ARK is buying up TSLA for all their ETFs and selling AAPL

>>22337450
hideous channels and moving averages are important

>>22337514
i made more this year than my annual salary just swing trading a basic moving average line with tech stocks

>>22337514
I think a lot of people who are concerned about their money aren't even in this thread right now because the bears have become obnoxiously smug

Bought 250 shares of CLIS today. Figured what the hell, only 24 bucks. Never know the app may take off once they launch it. Be epic to see it hit $1 or more on launch date. If it shits, oh well, just cut back on the MCDs for a bit

>>22337530
>selling Apple

>>22337543
I don't even hold shorts i just like bearposting because it triggers tech faggots

If you loved his work in "The Pump", you are going to really get a laugh out of "The Dump".
Coming this fall!

>>22337534
Wasn't there that one guy who had a meme portfolio where he just inversed biz and it outperformed the market?

>>22337506
imagine holding at the obvious beginning of a downtrend.

SPY to $323 tomorrow?

>>22337570
I didn't know about that, sounds like a gigantic chad

>>22337616
dumb frog poster

Imagine buying calls that expire any sooner than 6 months out.

>>22337465
Fuck yes I am. I need a breather. Just going passive for a bit and I track spg it's been doing well. Thanks man

>>22337450
I think this is about the best line to represent the trend on the nasdaq 100. So it did close below, but it's also at support. I think the market is going to be bright crab yellow until the ECB meeting Thursday.

>>22337631
imagine buying calls

>>22337631
imagine not catching knives with short term calls just for the rush

the blue meme DIX line is back up to where it was on March 24th.

>>22337465
you're playing a dangerous game with REITs when there are too many zombie businesses that are kept alive only because of government money even before the pandemic. Even ignoring that, you're still not gonna get gains just buying a REIT and hoping it's going to suddenly grow. Your REIT will just collect the rent as it usually does while its tenants are the one actually making the massive growths.

you're trying to shill about fulfillment centers and shit, but that's off set by the fact that you're also going to see a gradual decline in office and commercial real estate.
You want the "first day delivery" ecommerce shit youu're trying to shill, you're going to have to find out what those individual retail/e-commerce picks are. REITs are not the play here for the future you are trying to think of.

>>22337541
>i made more this year than my annual salary
whats your annual salary?

>>22337377
i like the look of HD and JPM. KO has an alcoholic beverage coming out, using my favorite brand of mineral water, so that should work.

i think i'll go for 10% in each when i'm able to shuffle my deck.
i'm stuck holding tech bags and i can't let them go.

10% options
10% /biz/ meme of the month
50% TQQQ w/ covered call sales
10% HD
10% KO
10% JPM

>>22337669
I'm unemployed, lol

>>22337541
Which in context is not as impressive as you think. I really don't imagine they pay gas station attendents much these days.

>>22337703
based

Reminder that tech is going back to 2012 prices by EOY. 8 year bubble popping this week.

Ok so should I sell at a small loss and hold until there's a bounce back? I'm pretty sure I bought the top on this tech savvy ETF , I had no clue people was gonna be a "tech sell off"

>>22337669
Bout shoe fity

If I wake up and this is red... I swear to god

The new iphone will be selling like crack. Cause the 5G. Look at your net speed. You probability don't even use half of what your paying for. Yet you still keep it. 5G will be no different. Don't mater if they don't actually need it, the fact it's "there" will be the only thing that maters. Also consider; once the 5G is out watch them kill 4G and older support. Then you won't have any other option; upgrade or do without. I'm not talking about Apple killing support but a general move by the providers to end legacy support. (T,VZ,TMUS). Makes it easier on them you know. They'll do it; MSFT does it with windows support, no one blinks, just upgrades to the new like clockwork.

>>22337480
It may get worse, did you forget about the economic depression?

>>22337721
I don't care where it goes, it just needs to get there quickly so I can get back in.

>>22337703
Unbelievably based.

>>22337541
you bought the dip on tech stops. tell us more, oh wise oracle.

>>22337735
As if you have anything invested lol. Fucking yuropoors

>>22337465
would the consolidation of luxury stores and brands in one location offset the obvious fact that there's a reason they went bankrupt to begin with? They're usually all within a stone's throw of each other anyway, so the only draw is that you don't have to go outside to go from one to the next and see poor people/rain. Tell me why I'm stupid anon.

>>22337743
never change anon

All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses, his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

>>22337480
It may get worse did you forget about March 2020?

>>22337743
5G IS GOD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87_4nHEPHyU

>>22337743
"bruh yo shit old" the nigs will proclaim

>>22337663
Hey man. I'm just looking to park my cash for a bit. If tech takes off again I'm buying calls instead of shares this time. Mfa has been my leader. Super plain and boring. Crabs non stop. Normally 20cent quarterly dividend. Dividend just got reinstated at .05. I'm just looking less headache for a bit. I'm not going away I'll still sell if mortgages collapse. Just need a break for a bit

>>22337720
>>22337754
Pause upvoting, zoomers.

>>22337791

/lit/fag go

>>22337735
Meme lines say dollar line went up

Means techie cheapies will becomes more cheapie

>>22337791
Shut up Karl.

>>22336445
Ichimoku clouds of SPY, VIX, XRF, and most large cap stocks forecast a correction between now and november. Bull market until 05/2022, then bear market.

>>22337810
cringe >>22337810

>>22337819
Worry not brother, all “good” things will soon come to an end. Your elation will be replaced with the harshness of what this world truly is.

>>22337743
>implying I don't use Windows XP still

>>22337833
What App is that plz?

>>22336469
Bear lend him your energy for circuit
I think it will be funny since I am cash

>>22337743
5G gives you coronavirus and cancer though :^))))))))

>>22337791

>>22337791
>This
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Time is like a circle, round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows.

SPY new ATH tomorrow

>>22337833

what app

>>22337860
>XP
>not ME

stonks

>>22337880
Webull I have my data to the chinks who have it anyway

>/smg/ turned bear
Time to go long

>>22336469
please god yes, I just spent the only money I have left on SQQQ and UVXY

>>22337855

Winter is coming.

My body is ready.

>>22337948
I spent mine on toaster waffles

>>22337948
It'll be green tomorrow, then for massive drops on Thursday and Friday.

Reminder 5G is literally harmless.

Any AMZN brothers here? What are your plans tomorrow? Several of my friends are trying sell high first hour and buy back near closing hour. Retard move or smart?

>>22337994
it could go either way, there's so much uncertainty for the retail investor. the only person coming out on this top is the extraordinarily lucky retail gambler or the jew insider trader.

Buy more Home Depot stocks

>>22338005

if it pumps in PM then it might be smart.

Basically, if it works, its smart. If it doesnt work, lool btfo

>>22337480
You haven't actually lost money until you sell, senpai. Things will swing back up, they always do.

didn't even notice TSLA -20% HOLY KEK

bag holders will all become annoying cultists

>>22338005
>my friends are trying to sell high buy low
wow anon, you should get in on this

Who here wants to try and catch the bounce and go into tqqq then back into sqqq for the REAL dip like a total fucking narcissistic piece of shit like me?

How are we still in Greed territory? We should be in extreme fuckin fear

Facts about the market
-A dollar is NEVER worth less than a dollar, only equal or more
-The bottom line value of ALL companies is PE minus speculation
-The top line value of ALL companies is PE plus speculation
-You are somewhere between these two metrics
-A decreasing PE does not automatically mean a lower share price, EPS*PE, 2.5*50=125, 4*35=140
-Retail investors are automatically priced in and adjusted for by institutions, and never play a functional role in the value of a company
-We are currently 20%-30% above historic PE for the entire market, however this historic PE has an element of speculation, and the current PE obviously does as well so this cannot be looked at without quantifying sentiment/speculation
-Institutions are using GPT-3+ to run natural language processing and machine learning in order to quantify the qualitative nature of sentiment/speculation
-Without giving yourself an adequate time span to deal with this you WILL lose more than you win
-If you aren't learning neural networks at this exact moment you are absolutely lying when you say you have an idea of what a stock will look like tomorrow, 6 months from now, 5 years from now
-The PE of entire sectors/markets move in related ways
-Meme lines are literally just a post-priori representation of the value adjustments relating to PE+Speculation, and are not in any way shape or form crystal balls
-There is multiple times over enough cash to pump the DOW to 50k, institutions simply choose not to

I know I've missed some things, feel free to provide counter-argument or add to what I've said

>>22338050
I might, got 10k in cash in my Roth IRA doing nothing at the moment

>>22337596
so obvious, just like the last 10,000 7% drops that rebounded

>>22338058
>-Retail investors are automatically priced in and adjusted for by institutions, and never play a functional role in the value of a company

Individually no, but collectively they do. Would have to look by volume, for sure in bubbles retail has a strong presence.

Can I have some insights from US anons? How is it, total panic or you all chill?

>>22338100
the last 10,000 7% drops that rebounded weren't 60+% gains in like a week or two which then dropped 20+% in 2-3 fucking days.

>>22338121
no one even notices

zero fucks given. notice trump hasnt said shit?

Where’s that smug anime bitch who told me to buy these MSFT shares?

>>22337631
I can't imagine having the money to do that.

>>22338071
Im sewing 264 as the bounce or 244 if it really is a fat dip. Gaps to fill, it’s a fib extension and slightly below the 50sma. What are you bounce buys anon?

>>22338121
I don't give a damn, the only people that care about this "crash" is the stocktwits crew and normie extensions

>>22338051
Majority of the posters here trade in baby stocks, like 10 bucks for 1 X. The ones losing sleep are the ones playing with the big companies.

>>22336744
Dude sounds based desu

>>22338058
>A dollar is NEVER worth less than a dollar, only equal or more
stopped reading here

>>22338142
tesla was never relevant to the spx...

>>22338146
Can confirm the poors done give a shit

I keep telling them their home prices are about to dump meanwhile 3 coworkers just got houses

USA middle class is financially illiterate on purpose. NGMI

I feel I'm fucked tomorrow. I'm less than 3K from starting to be liquidated due to high margin plus I can't work from home tomorrow. Have to go in to the slave pits, so I can't give the markets the attention they need. Imma cry.

>>22338203
yeah buying houses and new cars

>>22338177
Lol this anon gets it

A dollar isn’t worth anything, it’s actually a debt note is says it right on it. A dollar is negative worth.

>>22338121
Chill af. Nobody even follows the market besides their 401k or annuity statements. Riots were cool for a bit now it's just a 200 assholes protesting 200 other assholes. Virus is fine short of muh freedom people causing a scene at a isolated Wal Mart or target. Other than that normal life.

>>22338222
Just park in cash for now dude, what the fuck are you doing

>>22338121
more people are going hiking and camping instead of eating at restaurants, that's about it aside from the mask thing

>>22338121
i sold and am currently re-evaluating my life. i bought on friday so it wasn't that bad of a loss. if im wrong and tech actually somehow keeps marching upwards despite the softbank manipulation im gonna be pissed though. but it will be a good lesson learned and i'll probably never listen to tech bobos ever again and hodl forever from that point forward.

basically this shit either crashes hard or it doesn't. i don't know which will happen, but both sides have large ramifications for how i handle the markets moving forward. i mean imagine if say TSLA and AAPL go up again and make new ATH's relatively soon, how fucking crazy would that be? what would you think of the markets if that happened? it'd be fucked up but it might happen who knows. i'd like to see a return to the daily moving averages at least since clearly 16x ATR anon is correct.

>>22338116
You're all acting like there's a clear line between retail and institutions in the practical sense( independent from it's definition). Do you know how many small funds there are that are just a single guy in a basement? Or how many funds are operated by some clueless rando? Yet they all manage a shit ton of money.

>>22338203
if they live in it who gives a shit, wait some years and prices will be back

>>22338121
this is not the place to ask that question

>>22338146
In his rally a couple hours ago he was still bragging about market performance. Could mean he knows something, could mean he just wants to get reelected, I don't know.

>>22338155
Seems reasonable. I didn't do any analysis, but based on the AH continued sells, then green futures I expect a min around 265, bounce back to under 280ish or so, then back down

can i have my money back please. that was 7 months of my pay.

>>22338177
I never said a dollar isn't worth less than a dollar the day before was worth, fool. Fair value is at that exact moment.

>>22338203
My coworker just purchased a home for 300k in January of this year are they screwed also is it going to be a good time to buy a house my uncle wants to purchase a second house so he can land lord

>>22338203
tfw my house has gone up 15k in less than a year.

>That feel when you’re holding solid gold

>>22338223
A house is an investment just like stocks.

>>22338058

>Sold TSLA for 80% P/L today

guys it's easy

>>22338259
>it either goes down, up, or sideways

love the insight

>>22338116
This is not even true for small caps with 0% institutional ownership

>>22338284
Good joke goy

>>22338177
If $ is worth nothing and gold it worth ~2k$ then gold is worth nothing. What could I possibly do with that shit?

>>22338301
I'm your real Dad

>>22338222
you should only invest margin in stocks that go up anon

>>22338275
Prices are barely back up as of the 2008 dump and they are about to re-dump they keep buying at peaks. Also we’re at the end of a long term debt cycle housing prices are about to hit hard.

>>22338297
>tfw no cute little UTZ gf

>>22338121

I'm chillin' like a villan.

All of my stonk money is from unemployment so I'm not worried about losing it.

I'm going long with Delta.

>>22338058
-a dollar is always more valuable today than in the future
-compounding (interest or otherwise) is what makes investments make you rich

>>22338291
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>>22338295
My area has almost doubled. Super bubblish. Wanted to sell butttttt my dog hasn't died yet or I would chill in a apartment till the bubble bursts and rebuy. Hard to do when you have tons of shit m. Can't really sell and also buy back in when prices are high as shit

>>22337699
This is a retarded portfolio just so you know.

>>22338266
>small fund with a single guy in a basement
That is called a retail investor
>funds operated in clueless AKA non-competitive ways
That is also retail, institutions are by nature competitive.

>>22338285
do you even forex bro? This argument makes zero sense

Tomorrow will be green, check ‘em.

>>22338291
Terrible time I own a few I just sold one to free up cash

Look up the case shiller home price index and index it to 1995 or 2000 as index.

We’re way “over bought” and we have an average of 20% of homes that should already be in foreclosure but aren’t due to cares act.

Next year or late winter will be a much better time to buy. Housing usually lags 6-12 months behind a stock market/jobs dump. But the cares act stopped that natural cycle.

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>>22338341
Biogen was just so cheap bros. It has some tremendous potential. Stock could go up a solid 10 dollars on an up day and make me 30k.

>>22338351
In the current epoch yes, a dollar yesterday is worth more than a dollar today. This isn't a rule, and is subject to change.

Compounding investments is indeed the primary way to get rich I see you like Peter Lynch as well

>>22337699
Switch TQQQ and HD and you’re good

>>22338364
you're a retarded portfolio.

>>22338305
i guess a better way to put it is that we're at a crossroads right now where tech could dump severely hard if the common thinking of institutions is "this pump was fake and gay, these companies are not actually worth this much, we were tricked and need to gtfo" with retail panic selling following behind that. whether that happens or not idk, but this is that 11th hours moment, does that make sense to you?

this isn't a normal time, is the point. it's unpredictable but if it's a negative outcome it'll probably be a REALLY negative outcome, and i don't want to be left holding the bags in case that happens.

>>22338364
Post yours then.

i just ate 40 mcnuggets and i feel invinc

>>22338058
>-If you aren't learning neural networks at this exact moment you are absolutely lying when you say you have an idea of what a stock will look like tomorrow, 6 months from now, 5 years from now

explain this point, are you saying you need AI to evaluate stocks or understanding of NN to invest currently?

>>22338381
Exact. Moment. A dollar is never worth two amounts at one time, rather the replication of the dollar is never worth LESS than the origin at any exact moment. It can be worth more(irrationally).

Dubs and we have a circuit breaker tomorrow and people start jumping off buildings

>>22338121
*...wheeze*

>>22338441
make it so.

>>22338058
none of this tells me how to make money consistently though, so it's worthless.

>>22338371
Nope. An institutional investor is a company or organization that invests money on behalf of other people, End of story. Too many people qualify here.

>>22338441
Rolling

>>22338434
If you want to compete, you still technically have a chance to get lucky. Your worldview is a value that institutions scrape in worldwide quantity to determine risk.

>you sitting on -30% TSLA and TQQQ bags
>me sitting comfortably on my Home Depot, knowing it promises consistent compounding growth + a solid dividend without reaching meme normie status

>>22338433
I get what you're saying but don't understand what relevance it has to making decisions in the market.

>>22338441
We need double circuit breakers, first one on open

>>22338420
the institutions already knew the pump was fake and gay, retail already has panic sold, the "11th hour" (>implying there was one) was friday at open

So as the other anon said, all you're stating is that the market might go up tomorrow, or down, or quite possibly sideways also.

>>22338463
I will get to that in roughly 6 months, I have a lot of vetting to do in regards to the methodology of portfolio management.
>>22338465
This is what they want you to believe, it enables irrationality.

>NASDAQ futes now red

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>No-one shilling GME
Is the Squeeze KIA, too much blood in the water?

>>22338488
retard

>>22338351
>a dollar is always more valuable today than in the future

During stagflation in Japan this wasn’t always true

>>22338405
>This isn't a rule, and is subject to change.
true, i meant in terms of money up front is better than waiting for a payday, because that money can be put to work immediately and before taxes.
>Peter Lynch
I'm too new to know who that is but now im interested (no homo)

>>22338476
>rev up bots
>spread sentiment online

Singles and tomorrow is green and everything is fine.

Anyone else feel like theres going to be a mass migration out of america and into potentially canada or the UK if we keep going like this. How would this effect the market?

>>22338489
It's about your ability to spot fair value. Are you paying 1 dollar for a dollar, or are you paying 1 dollar and 10 cents for a dollar? You can't pay less, but you could pay more.

>>22338522
>those bear dubs
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>22338433
But it is. Arbitrage on forex. Are you retarded

>>22338423
I liquidated everything wednesday and thursday morning. Having that much in TQQQ long term is not a good idea because of expense ratios, which are compounding. Just buy QQQ leaps instead.

>>22338522
oh fuck

>>22338504
i'm numb to it at this point

>>22338522
Doubles and everything will crash.
Singles and everything will crash also.

>>22338520
I highly encourage this. We can surely devise a way to combat this, but as it stands retail investors are naked to this concept.
>>22338519
Peter Lynch knows what hes doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRMpgaBv-U4

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>>22338499
OOOOOOOOO

>>22338542
Are you? I suppose I don't have to ask.

So the thing with AI and markets is why make one that is good at investing in market. Why not make one that's good at making companies and skip the whole buying shares and waiting portion.

Make it the CEO

>>22338499
The bears have awoken.

>>22338430
Most fast food I’ve ever eaten was like 10 White Castle singles and large sacks of their onion and chicken rings and fries and soda and my body legit was tingling and I got light headed

>>22338504
see: >>22336982

>>22338582
holy shit cheapies.

>>22338577
Theres a painful redpill around the corner for you

>>22338522
Glorious

>>22338577
better way of putting it

At the point your AI is "very good" at stock market the stock market is trivialized by your AGI.

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>>22338600
it is over

>>22338599
Pretty sure that was peak virus in March

>>22338577
One of the main jobs that are prime for automation are middle and c-suit management
I give it 1-2 decades before it will be unthinkable to have a human head a company

>>22336600
Someone recognize those digits. Netflix bout to moon, this is a sign boys.

>>22338406
i just want the safe picks as a bit of comfort food alongside my aggressive plays.

i'll be keeping TQQQ only when it's above the 20-day SMA to avoid the big dips, and selling covered calls way OTM for $100/week.

it'll become a smaller piece of the portfolio as i can afford it to be. 100 shares is about 50% now, assuming a decent rebound from this dip.

i'll go 40% safety picks, 40% tech, 10% meme, 10% options when i can get there.

>>22337279
It's why i generally prefer to avoid smg after market hours.

Alot seem to think futures mean anything when it's been proven time and time again to be pointless as an indicator.

>>22336686
So in other words he's betting on tsla being 3000 a share by end of the year.

Yah hes well and goodly fucked.

>>22336733
Its people not knowing when to take the loss jesus. If you're down too much just close the fucking position with a market order instead of waiting for it to be -%60

>>22338663
more and more often i feel like the only good time on /smg/ is weekend /smg/ when futures aren't open. like, friday night to sunday before 6PM

>>22338434
Not him but the way I see it there's basically 5 categories of investors.
>RETARD TIER
Normies who don't know what a 401k is
>SLIGHTLY LESS RETARDED TIER
Puts money into 401ks, makes a roth, follows news slightly
>NORMAL TIER
Average /biz/raeli, keeps up with financial news, follows market trends, gets some hits, gets some misses
>JEW TIER
*Writes* the financial news, has access to insider trading tips but will never get caught because they're not retarded
>TRANSHUMAN TIER
Has access to mass market data and computer algorithms (aka "Artificial Intelligence", or what most people think of as AI anyway) that process massive amounts of data so as to manage portfolios. And of course also gets the benefit of insider trading, but they probably don't really need that information because of the speed at which their networks can process and make use of market data. At this level, "information from insider trading" is more like "has access to google/facebook/other Brave New World-esque Big Brother tech database analytics," vs what most people probably think like a tip from a guy who works for a guy whose wife's niece's daughter thinks a Wall Street bigwig is going to put his money into [insert next meme stock here] or whatever the fuck.

Basically, he's saying that the only way to beat the market is to have access to that level of data and data processing capabilities.

>>22336907
>chasing rockets in flight
>retarded dopamine addict behavior

ngmi.

Its up 42% in a day anon. You have to learn when to accept one has passed you by.

>>22338644
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj0ixxrAb7A

>>22338504
Everyone should spend 1 year in crypto before jumping into the stock market. Ain't no dip like a meme coin dip. This boomer shit doesn't even raise my heartrate.

>>22338810
>42% in a day
The hell happened here? Was it a hedge all the red that turned into a FOMO runaway?

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>>22337107
Holy fuck did this stock ever bounce back post Corona. Some boomer out there made out like a bandit.

>>22338864
Deal with GM to help build their ev trucks. A more obvious short you never saw. Soon as the frenzy dies down this ones gonna doomp.

>NASDAQ futures green
based jerome

>>22336480
that is the worst TA i've ever seen. your line literally touches not a single support.

>>22336677
You misspelled BTC

I just found out today that a class-action lawsuit is filed against a longterm care home company in because of Corona. Is this bullish? Should I buy more share?