/biz/ - Business & Finance

There won't be any jobs. Just networks of task you do for crypto rewards

>>22275990
Prostitution

Cmon I Gotta choose in 2 weeks

>>22275990
No joke? Trades.
The restructuring of every manner of infrastructure is about to take place. This is what blockchain is about but that's just a drop in the bucket of the larger project.

>>22275990
Doctors.

t. Doctor

>>22276191
LMAO nope
Most of you fags especially GPs suck and are easily replaceable by a robot

>>22275990

Robot factory owner

>>22276303
all these retards outside the medical field have no idea how hard it would be to replace health care professionals with robots.

t. hospital pharmacist

>>22276303
I could train a 15 year old child to be a GP. Enjoy trying to replace surgeons.

>>22276191

You mean medical database query AIs?

Data scientist
Executive chef (people gotta eat)
Cybersecurity

>>22276363

Nah, most contra indications are automatically linked to medication allergies these days. The money is in development of new meds, not handing them out.

>>22276303
This, I hope doctors are replaced soon, they only serve as an interactive database of symptoms. and not a good one. Also, they are massive entitled cunts at least in the country I am from.

>>22275990
Gravedigger

>>22275990
Work for the govt, bro.

Software developer

>>22276383
>medical database query AIs?
That will surely be very useful to doctors. It won't replace any of them tho

>>22275990
crypto and tax related

>>22276363
True, but GP work could probably be replaced by decision making algorithms based on best evidence. Not out of the range of possibility, and certain insurance companies require such algorithms to agree with the doctor's choice before expensive chemo is prescribed.

Also, image recognition specialisms (derm, radio) will be 90% dead in 20 years because of convoluted neural networks.

>>22276445
>It won't replace any of them tho
Very naive of you to say.

Doctors will have a good lifespan compared to many jobs, but most of what certain roles do can be automated.

>>22275990
plumber
electrician
roofer
this >>22276410
mortician
carpenter
welder

>>22276363
We definitely can replace store pharmacists though, they literally just read and count.

>>22275990
security guard. good luck fielding the liability when your robot guard bot runs over a child lmao.

HR

easy as shit. You get to hire people in good times and fire people in bad times.

>>22276191
this. everything telling it's different has never been ill.

Soldier

>>22275990
ai trainer

>>22275990
I bet that autistic seat was made in Germany

>>22275990
Being an indian and shilling coins for $5 of tokens a day

>>22276191
They literally have robots these days for surgery lol

>>22275990
Probably the water treatment workers and Garbage men. Buy LINK and FTM.

>>22275990
janny

>>22276167
retard detected

>>22276824
They're operated by a surgeon bro, and they don't even lead to fewer complications. It's just more comfy for the surgeon. Not even kidding, look up the da Vinci robot if you want.

As far as autonomous robotics go, the furthest humanity has come are Boston dynamics. At least 50 years away from surgery.

>>22276160
doing any type of maintenance work, plumbing, electric, etc.

>>22276107
>>22276353
>>22276410
>>22276415

all decent answers

code monkey
t. code monkey

>>22276938
Lol robot surgery is just telehealth medicine. Fuckin cut your appendix out in the bush from 2000 miles away and let the district nurse deal with the rest

>>22275990
Doctor, Farmer, Tradie, Prostitute

Trades that require human flexibility.
>Plumbing, hvac, electrical, etc.

Medical positions that require human to human contact.
>dental, surgery, nursing, etc.

Entertainment
>film, writing, music, etc.
(Inb4 ai can do those; not very well)

Sales. Not necessarily cold prospecting but advancing customers from unaware of their own problems through to consideration to action to purchasing your solution. Sales (advancing and closing new business) will never be outsourced to robots or AI.

Janitor. You can't save on money with automation when the job is done for free

>>22277023
When the economy collapses no one is going to be hiring writers and entertainers. The only entertainment people will have is whatever they can produce locally. It will go back to being a hobby.

>>22275990
Depends on your iq, if it's on the lower side I'd say police, firemen, army
If you are on the middle and got good taste then cooking, architecture, design
If it's on the higher end then just do compsci, math or physics and get into work of creating the systems that replace
people
If you are lazy then boypussi will just grow in demand

>>22275990
Professional good boy

>>22277005
Wish it was that easy, you really have to be in the room. A lot can go wrong. Not that it does 95% of the time, but if it does you really need to be there to coordinate everyone.

>>22276191

Like it or not, this guy has a point. Sure some specialties are more susceptible to be really automated (e.g. Radiology) but it's still a very good bet when it comes to future proof jobs.

>>22277015
>Prostitute
lel

>>22276400

>Data scientist

NOPE.

>>22276160
Carpet fitting pays well. Self employed. Kills the knees and causes issues with backs but it's a good trade with low standards of entry and great pay. Plenty of career prospects, either start a fitting business and expand till you are off the tools or go into sales or surveying. Do the lot and open a carpet shop. Lot's of money to be made. A good stable business in a decent industry.

>>22276409

They are like that in all countries.

>>22277102
Choosing my specialism real soon. Legitimately thinking of choosing radio to do data science and demolish the whole field. Far from impossible.

>>22276191
Healthcare fag here. Payers are already neutering your clinical decision-making with prior auth and are actively finding ways to undermine you and make you obsolete. Plus there will be waves of advanced practitioners like PA's in the coming years because big conglomerate health systems will be looking to save $$$ by employing them as opposed to employing physicians. Going to medical school now is a horrendously bad idea, with lower pay, increased hours, reduced patient interaction, and clicking around on EMR's and worrying about your RVU's and MIPS scores. Physicians as we know it may not exist in the next 10-20 years. AI and advances in life extension, plus the entirety of payers seeking to eliminate you, means your days are numbered

>>22276700

Until yourself are fired or moved to a QA role in tech companies (true story).

>>22276480
oh look at my boy here talking about CNNs
aren't you cute you obsolete dinosaur

>>22276363
>Be hospital pharmacist
>Get piece of paper
>Give out substance on piece of paper
>Make note about it in database
Its a wonder you didn't already got automated away by a cigarette automate
The only thing in a hospital that cant get automated away are the nurses, because people want somebody to talk to
Chirurgie can get automated with image recognition and robot arms
Diagnostic can be automated with a database
The only humans that will still be needed in hospitals are nurses to tell patients about the process and explain them how they have to sit into the machines and some technicans

Medical professionals have no idea from automation

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>>22276191
Why are doctors so fucking useless but act like God?

>>22276409
This. I don't see why a doctor cant be replaced with nurse + AI.

>>22277224
fuck off with your scam

>>22277263
A doctor can already be replaced by a google search but unfortunately if you need meds you need a dr.

>>22277250

The social prestige (which started in the past decades) that goes with it really gets into their heads. It's best to leave them be with their hubris and fuck them up later.

>>22277183
True. See >>22277179.

>>22276404
alarm fatigue is real, the current programs spam warnings or fail to alert you to key issues depending on the settings. Knowing when a med is appropriate for a condition depends on numerous factors that would be difficult for a program to understand. Certainly staff could be trimmed in 20 years d/t more efficient programs

>>22276480
image recognition fields I agree. GP i'm not so sure much of practicing as a GP seems to be sorting through patients bullshit to determine what actually is the problem (if it exists). Certain aspects are very formulaic like chemo (d/t how regimens are researched and expense)

>>22276650
yeah those pill monkeys are on their way out.

>>22277250
A lot are jews or poos so it makes sense.

>>22275990
landlord

>>22277363
Tfw quit being a retail pharmacist to be a software developer.

I hope this pays off but retail is just so shitty.

>>22277046
criminally underrated

>>22277215
Enlighten me CSbro. Where should I stake my bets for image recognition then?

>>22277218
Top kek. Automated surgery isn't coming soon, it's more complex than you think. Diagnostics... Eh.... Maybe in the foreseeable future, but harder than you think.

>>22277250
You've probably had experiences with bad doctors. I've had bad experiences too. But there's plenty of good ones, if you are lucky to come across them.

>>22277508
Yeah I hear the stories from my college friends. At least its a 6 figure job that wasn't that hard to get. Now with over saturation of pharmacy schools they can pay you shit and treat you like shit because they have 5 grads eager for your spot.

>>22275990

Mortician with a crematorium. Root through the ash to find silver fillings like the piece of shit you can be if you only believe in yourself.

>>22277046
Lol.

>>22276400
>Data scientist
kek

>>22277601
Is that why bags of teeth with fillings are brought to the bullion shop on the regular?

>>22277544
doctors all seem like miserable fucks anyways. spent the prime years of their youth in college for fucking 12 years. get out, get a job. work all day. be on call all day. have some gold digger wife that takes half your sheckels. patients can be just as knowledgeable as you with a few google searches.

whew lad. no fucking thank you.

Airline pilot here.

I'd say after the 737MAX fiasco, my job isn't getting replaced for a long time as people realize computers are fallible.

>>22277250
doctors are pill shilling vermin and need to be automated away

>>22277785
Yeah, after they are all sent to the gas chamber.

>>22277544
>Diagnostics... Eh.... Maybe in the foreseeable future, but harder than you think.
Google is already pretty good for that, just put in your symptoms and you get the right answer pretty often
Combine it with some tests to confirm and your good
>Automated surgery isn't coming soon, it's more complex than you think
Automated surgery shoud really not be that hard, all you need is real time image recognition that runs without mistakes and a robot arm with 5 or so hands and you've got the worlds best surgeon by far
The only thing stopping it is legislation

>>22277734
plus they suck at what they do.

>>22277829
>all you need is real time image recognition that runs without mistakes and a robot arm with 5 or so hands

"all you need"... You severely understimate how difficult something like this is.

>>22275990
nurse

>>22277734
You can be a miserable fuck doing anything. You sure sound like one. But I'll give you this: some specialisms (emergency medicine) are more miserable than others (plastic surgery).

>>22277785
:)

>>22277829
Not good enough. You need >95% accuracy, for EVERYONE. This means also the old people that come in with 10 diseases, 25 pills/day and something new is wrong with them.
Regarding surgery, you don't know what you're talking about. If it's that easy, do it and collect your Nobel prize.
I'll give you this: a lot of GP work, meaning basic diagnostics, could be automated.

Everything will be different once AI can actually perform well. Their will remain 1 or 2 humans/ profession to oversee and be the face of the trade, but overall, 90% will lose their job. 5% of the best doctors will remain, 5% of the best lawyers, etc. Everyone else will be gamers/atheletes/artists....However, once the corporations no longer need humans to do the everyday work, most will die. Ya know that sign in DC that says 500 million will survive? That's what's coming in the not too distant future. If you are not exceptional at your trade you will be left behind. I suppose wealth might also buy your place, but otherwise, you will die...The world from then on out will look totally different. People will no longer have to slave, "what games will we have to invent, now that we are Gods?"

>>22277179
Im a data scientist. Doctors aren't going anywhere any time soon, at least from an ML perspective

>>22275990
chainlink node operator

knee pads

>>22275990
cemetery company. thank me later anon

>>22277544
Image recognition won't replace doctors. If you knew anything about deep learning besides the buzzword "convoluted neural network", then you'd probably realize that there are serious theoretical drawbacks to these systems that make them much less viable in the real world.

>>22277102
>Sure some specialties are more susceptible to be really automated (e.g. Radiology)

As an xray tech I'm extremely skeptical of this. Maybe CT or MRI where you just put the patient in a machine and press da shiny buttons, but I'd like to see a machine position a broken limb or do a portable chest xray

>>22277933
>You need >95% accuracy, for EVERYONE.
Nah, they just need to be better than your average doctor, which sure as shit isn't as high as 95%

>>22277933
Post nose.

>>22275990
Slave nigger labour. All you will be ever good for when smart contracts take away all white collard jobs. COPE

>>22275990
Mortician
Undertaker

>>22277863
Real time image recognition is getting there, the developments in that field are incredible, atm there are too many (shortterm) mistakes to really use it in surgery as just a few wrongly interpreted frames could cause massive damage
Robot arms that perform the motion you want them to do in exactly the speed/force you want more precisely than every human ever could exist since years, if not even decades
Of course training the insides of a full human body with all possible anatomical wierdness into the image recognition ai is not exactly easy, then every procedure would need an own algorithm so that would take a lot of work too but it's definitely technologically possible in the next decades
The technological basis might be even here now already

>>22278054
I'll specialise in virtual burials. So that I dont need to grieve with the family irl. In this inequality ridden globalist world kin of immigrants may not be able to attend their funerals. I will provide them a virtual service so that the family has closure. I will list a job on a decentralised job platform located in whichever city the deceased resides. The job will specify to make funeral arrangements and then to record the proceedings via a VR camera so the family can be present.

>>22278141

The technological basis is here already, no doubt. But it's one thing to have a proof of concept system and quite another to have an actual system like that that meets all the required legislation and quality assurance mumbo jumbo in order to be deployed in the wild.

>>22275990
Engineers.

Who's gonna design all the robots?

Who's gonna code all the AI?

Who's gonna build the spaceships?

Who's gonna keep designing and building new tech?

Who's gonna keep providing the medical and energy fields with new innovations to propel the economy?

Who's gonna make sure you get energy in your home so you can continue shit posting?

Engineers

>>22278074
I've literally seen image recognition software perform better than a dermatologist with my own eyes, on a real patient. I know that a lot of machine learning is just glorified statistics, but if we could get a large, accurate database, with standardised guidelines of image-taking, with diseases appearing proportionally to their real world prevalence AND cleaned it properly, why would it be such a pain in the neck to create a model for real world application?
Granted, acquiring that data would be hard, but far from impossible.

>>22278242

Yeah... about that... There's a massive oversupply of engineers all over the world compared to the available jobs (it's still not that bad in CS but it's reaching that state for sure). A futureproof job, in my book, is one that's not subjected to a situation like this.

>>22278082
X-ray techs will be around for the practical aspect, radiologists won't.
Ever seen a radiologist trace a tumor slice by slice on CT? I've seen software do this at the click of a button, also accounting for the tumour microstructure which is invisible to human eye but stored in the raw data. Problems to implementation were not insurmountable either. It's just a matter of time.

>>22277453
Explain

>>22276363
>health care professionals

>>22278339
Engineers can do CS, they can do anything really. Many become quants or do finance or whatever.

So unless there's a shortage of jobs in general, an engineer will always find work unless they're retarded.

>>22278262
Although NNs are arguably performing as well as doctors w.r.t accuracy, its only a single metric. The "theoretical drawbacks" I'm referring to with respect to NNs is model explainability. Sure, a model will be able to accurately predict an anomaly or a disease, but will it be able to *diagnose* this disease? Will it be able to explain *why* someone has a disease, or *what* the next steps are? No. These are some fundamental issues of NN architectures, and they won't be solved any time soon.

Do you really think the general public is going to blindly trust a computer prediction when that computer can't even justify it's decision? When it can't even make a real diagnosis? When it doesn't have any empathy? I'll be the last person
to let an ML model diagnose me. And I'm an ML engineer.

>>22278339
as long as you are skilled at what you do you will always have a job no matter what the fuck you do

>>22278456
>t. highschool dropout wagie working at walmart

I might have something of value for you.

Having conducted some research into trends in the labor market, I can perhaps provide some unique insight wherefore you may make a more informed decision.
All jobs can be broken down into three task inputs: routine, abstract, and manual. Routine task inputs are those which may be easily codified and handed over to an automated system which may reproduce it. Abstract task inputs are those which require a high amount of knowledge and creativity. Manual task inputs are those that require dexterity.
So, a 'futureproof' job is therefore one which has very little routine task input. Unsurprisingly, the occupations with the largest abstract task inputs were 'managers, directors, and senior officials.' This would suggest that these occupations are the most 'futureproof.'
The data for occupations with large manual task inputs is conflicting, as one argument is that manual task inputs are a strong counter against routinization of any kind, due to the difficulties encountered by robots of any kind who try to emulate basic human dexterity and acquire even rudimentary visual-spatial ability. The other argument presents compelling evidence to suggest that this great hurdle is being slowly surmounted by recent developments in the robotics industry. Alarmingly, this would put some of the most popular service jobs at great risk, in particular shelf filers, elementary sales occupations, waiters, and bar staff.

Ideally, an informed agent would maximize his future earnings by seeking to enter a career field with high abstract task inputs, such as a professional or managerial role which requires a large amount of creative thinking and interpersonal workplace relations.
Less ideally, one would simply work basic service jobs while saving enough capital to incorporate and become owner/director of a 'futureproof' business, though what such a business might be is not within the scope of this discussion.

tl;dr only chad managers and professionals

Farmer

>>22278518

This guy knows what's up, especially the point about the general public trusting a computer over a person.

Glows.

>>22278530
still better than being a fucking pharmacist. Seriously no-one respects you because you were too dumb to get into medicine.

>>22277250
Most of em really are fucking useless.

>>22275990
Fixing shit women break

>>22278535
So if prostitution is pretty future proof, then, along your post, pimping is the ultimate profession

>>22278645
I work in critical care. I can assure you I get plenty of respect.

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>>22277066
i went firefighter row.Boy do i feel stupid now.
But I only went there cuz i didn't make it anywhere else. long story bad ending. Shame though.

>>22278707
bullshit. No one respects pharmacists, you just wipe doctor's asses and they ignore all your garbage "advice" anywway. Completely expendable role and you don't even get paid as much as store pharmacists anyway in hospital

>>22276160
Lawyer.

>>22275990
window installer

Trades
Arts (good luck)
Jobs where human interaction is key, such as psychologist, bar tender, nurse. Lower education jobs like bar tender and barista will still exist, but will be heavily consolidated as the grunt work will be automated but the customer interaction bit won't be.

>>22278784
cope.

>>22277250
Because they spent 10 years of their life in school and went into 500K debt so if they don't feel like god they'll be suicidal like most dentists

>>22278518
I get your point. However this is likely surmountable. We need to reorganise diseases through the molecular axes on which they occur, and not based on their symptoms. We therefore change what we mean by "diagnosis" while at the same time providing more accurate treatment. Unironic insider knowledge: there's a systems medicine department in Harvard, and they are planning to do exactly that to allow ML integration. Not explaining further because I need to sleep.

Anon, if explainability is the main hurdle, your post was incredibly bullish. I'm busy with the clinic and another research endeavour atm, but going all-in in medical ML is something I'm seriously considering. Give me two years and I'll report back.

>>22278938
nigger

>>22279021
Explainability is the main technical hurdle. Public acceptance is the overarching hurdle, and it's probably going to be much more difficult to overcome.

Regardless, the research is interesting.

>>22275990
There is only one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDaVSkGM3tU

>>22275990
A.I Architect

A.I might replace your manual labour jobs but demand for people who can create and maintain A.I will skyrocket.

>>22278690
Yes, indeed.
However, let us discuss prostitution and pimping in the context of labor market trends. A good place to begin would be the rise of sex work in recent years (note here that the sex work here is a catch-all term for any and all work that involves the exchange of personal services for pecuniary benefit). In hindsight, the failure of forecasters to predict this rise is disappointing, to say the least; it is what I consider to be a remarkably widespread case of myopic optimism. One may perhaps excuse their faults by recognizing that quantifying sex work is exceedingly difficult due to the nature of the work itself - it is seen as a shameful thing, and thus such individuals are not often forthcoming with their data.
The rise of sex work in recent years is due to the pressures I have outlined above. Allow me to elaborate. With the loss of middling jobs, we have seen a polarization of the labor market between low-paid manual service jobs and high-paid complex abstract jobs. The skill requirement for well-paid occupations rises with each passing year, in tandem with technological advances. Thus, individuals must spend more time studying and have far more natural ability than they used to have. Unfortunately, this disenfranchises a lot of individuals who either cannot defer their consumption until such a time as they acquire the necessary skills, or who are physiologically incapable of doing so.

>>22276160
diversity officer at large private university

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>>22278518

>blindly trust a computer prediction when that computer can't even justify it's decision?
Most doctors can't do that either, they just say stuff they memorized
Biologists that do medical research will be needed for some time tho
> but will it be able to *diagnose* this disease?
Yes, the only thing you would not be able to retrace is how exactly the ai found out the pic of the patient looks like the the pics in the database, pics of symptoms, possible treatments, possible complications and so on would all be saved in a human readable form in a database entry for every known skicknes
>Patient looks like pictures in database entry for x
>Proceed to test for anomalies caused by x
>Anomalies found, patient is very likley to have x
>Possible treatments to x are a, b and c
>a has highest chance of helping
>Check for likely complications
>Patient is allergic to a
>b has the next best chance
>Check for likely complications
>Nothing found, start treatment b
>Please come back in a week for checkup

>>22279232
Sex work as an occupational category has undergone a great many changes in recent years that has made it a much more attractive option for struggling individuals who lack capital and/or foresight.
Take, for example, onlyfans, and let us compare it with traditional sex work, or prostitution. Onlyfans is a platform where any individual may market their goods as a service to many clients. The power of such a transaction lays in the fact that one instance of production is not limited to one client, but rather as many clients as the sex worker can gather. This can be done from the safety of one's own home, and with the privacy of an online pseudonym. Work for the sex worker is much more flexible and custom requests are, I imagine, quite common and easily serviceable; one does not have to 'get it right the first time,' but can rather take as many attempts as possible to get the most flattering and appealing picture/video possible to attract the most attention and therefore attain the highest profit. While I am not aware of onlyfans profit strategy, I assume that they charge sex workers a % of their takings. Sex workers are offered agency alignment, as however much profit they make is entirely within their hands; in short, they can work as much or as little as they want.
Contrast this with the traditional pimp, with which sex workers had to enlist as a matter of course, due to gatekeeping and monopoly pressures. Work was inflexible and pressing; sex workers had to be at a given place at a given time or suffer potential violence at the hands of their pimp. Furthermore, the money they did make was often entirely decided by the whims of their pimp, or agent.

tl;dr onlyfans and similar platforms are modern alternatives to pimps and provide attractive avenues for well-paid occupations that do not require a large investment of human capital

>>22278376

Radiologists still do special procedures. Unless machines get to the point where they can do shit like lumbar punctures autonomously.

>>22276739
chronic back pain, wrist pain, foot pain, told by specialists when I stopped being able to play drums or guitar "I don't know stop doing what makes it hurt" or my favorite, had an infection killing me, and they refused to give me enough antibiotics to fucking treat it, so I had to keep going in, pay my 250, then pay another 400 every 10 fucking days for 2 months till he shrugged and sent it to surgery, the last time for a problem that WASN'T EVEN THE FUCKING ISSUE.

I decided fuck it, ill just let it kill me, i'm not being bleed dry... thankfully after 5 years, the fucking problem is still there and flares up but isn't killing me in an obvious way yet.

>>22275990
Grave digger

>>22276107
>*blocks your path*

>>22276375
This got to be surgeons or funeral directors everyone dies

>>22278140
This no one would want there loved ones service, embalming etc done by a robot and people always die

>>22279897
a piece of plastic. ok incel

>>22276400
>Data scientist
completely over-memed, just like actuaries were last decade

>>22276353
this desu