/biz/ - Business & Finance

Im always in the ref. Any of you guys paid someone to invest your money for you successfully? Or be alerted for hot stocks?

>>21608292

If by that you mean an investment fund I did, and I should have invested myself. Motherfuckers dropped like flies during corona and didn't recover well during the V recovery

>>21608292
No I just spend way too much time on /smg/

>>21602821 #
It’s part of FAGTMAAN

>>21603225 #
Car companies are extending their 3 year leases into 5 year leases to decrease the supply of used inventory thus keeping prices high

>>21608292
just buy an ETF like QQQ or SOXX if you don't know how to make a couple good picks.
stay away from leveraged ETFs because clearly you aren't very smart

summer market behaviour has returned.

Guys, Im thinking of buying airliners stocks, am I retarded?

First for RKT 100% gains within a year!!

How do I into stonks? I heard that Tesla and apple can make me a lot of money, I just don’t know how to buy any. I have $5k saved up and want to put that into Tesla

I'm trying to time seeking my TSLA call. If day of record is August 21, you have to own the stock by close August 19, right, because T+2 days for it to show up to them? Which means tomorrow might be big pump as people want the split, then dump...but they have to keep the shares through August 28 to receive the plus 4...so basically, it might theoretically stay level for a whole week...or something.

It's literally over. The first one out at these levels win. It will be a free fall at market open

>>21608292
Don't! Long hodl cost average spy and qqq if you don't want to actively trade. And don't ever panic sell! Paying some fund to do your stuff will perform similar or sometimes worse than just doing long hold indexes.

>>21608292
Anyone good enough at trading to be worth paying doesn't need or want your money. You should focus on getting income elsewhere and putting it into index ETFs.

>>21608245
Why aren't cruises going down yet? I sold my RCL at 61 and want to rebuy in the 40s.

>>21608394
LITERALLY

>>21608379
Throw in a little more and buy 3 shares now before the split. It price theoretically stayed level, you'll have 12 more shares Monday August 31 worth the same total amount you put it because of le splitz.

China Unicom was up 11% today.

Last week it was up 30%.

I literally shilled this stock for weeks on /biz/ but no one wants to buy it cause hurr durr China bad

>predatory subprime auto loans
>questionable accounting practices
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_Acceptance

>these fucking insider transactions
https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=CACC

How the shitting fuck does this stock keep going up?

>>21608394
Sure thing Bobo. Now go back to sleep.

>>21608342
what’re the 3 As? Apple, Amazon and...?

>>21608468
Alphabet

>>21608468
AMD? I guess intel did just shit the bed...

>>21608468
AMD

>>21608444
Not all of us are as risk tolerant as you are anon, see on the Moon with your China stacks.

>>21608292
Both options are scams

So I plan to sell a covered call for XYZ company. Let's assume it costs 1.00 for simplicity reasons. In this hypothetical scenario 30 people decided to buy my call at 1.00. However there was some market turmoil and the call expires worthless. Do I collect $3000 in this scenario for doing nothing? Is it really that easy?

>>21608468
I think it's AMD but I'm skeptical that it should be up there desu.

should I short JP Morgan opening bell or will (((they))) try to pamp it?

>>21608558
You'd have to sell 30 calls, not just 1. Selling one would get you 100 bucks. Selling 30, 3k. But if the stock goes up, you're screwed.

>>21608394
I’m going all in tomorrow at open suck my dick gay bear

>>21608468
I messed up, it’s FAGTMANN

Facebook (lol)
Amazon
Google
Tesla
Microsoft
Apple
Netflix
Nvidia

>>21608426
They don't (much) unless there is worse news than current. Cruises and airlines are trading at levels where everybody in is willing to overlook all shit revenue on the idea that this is the worst of it right now, the companies will survive, and revenue will rapidly improve to some significant fraction of pre-covid numbers. Only increased travel bans or bankruptcy will cause them to dive from these prices.

>>21608248
Best, most prosperous strategy for 98% of people. A lot of first year traders think they can beat it, (they probably did this year, a huge bull run), but they will learn in a few years that they aren't even matching the S&P500 Year-to-date

>>21608558
Only if you sell 30 covered calls, meaning you need at least 3000 shares of your underlying stock. Also, "doing nothing" in this scenario is accepting the risk that your underlying stocks won't move drastically down or up in the meantime, which would make you lose more than the premium on the calls.

>>21608446
Also the worst goddamn spreads I've ever seen on an options chain. I think lack of liquidity is the only thing keeping this stock alive.

>>21608627
I've got close family in the industry that know RCL and others in the area are not setting sail whatsoever until spring 2021. Are you saying investors are seriously going to ignore a yearlong absence of revenue?

TSLA <1500 tomorrow because I spent my entire $1800 paycheck buying at the top earlier today.

>>21608723
I'm not familiar with RCL's specific situation. My only position in the sector is Norwegian.

>>21608751
You're gonna be fine anon! Don't sell that share for a long time.

>>21608550
How is investing in Chinese stocks risky when most respected investors have said China is being managed well and that they have a big future. Of course, it helps that the company has a low PE ratio and debt to liquidity ratio..

If anything you are diversifying your portfolio to any shift in power that may or may not happen in the next 10-20 years..

This is entirely sustainable and justifiable. :^)

>>21608818
ok

Surely Tesla will be red tomorrow

>>21608631
no kidding, im about to liquidate the rest of my portfolio except for TSM (i did too much DD into it and i'm emotionally attached to it when i'm so convinced it's going to be a monopoly) and put it all into either QQC or HQU.

>>21608631
I just bought 65k of VIGIX today. It's like 40% FAGMANN anyway

>>21608782
I bought @ $300 last year

>>21608872
>Surely
I TOLD YOU TO STOP USING THAT WORD

I'M FINANCIALLY RUINED

>>21608966
What app is that, kind sir?

>>21608444
>>21608818
>>21608859

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55892jT06aI

>>21608929
See, I was right!

>>21608848
TSLA is undervalued

>>21608966
Is that vanguard? The shitty graphics look familiar

>>21608818
Probably because of the trade war going on right now

>>21609019
>>21609078
Vanguard Lifestrat.

>>21609078
>TSLA is undervalued
Yes.

>>21609125
Only thing I really don’t like about vanguard is you can’t trade leveraged or inverse ETFs

10/16 horse calls

>>21609214
No fractional shares either. They are really falling behind all the other majors.

>>21609075
And sold @ 310

>>21609175
Don’t miss the moon mission bro
:^)

How would a nasqaq crash affect pms?

Lads what are some good divvy stocks?

>>21609317
absolute moonshot

>>21609033
> so this is what they feed you
Yeah China manipulates its currency and there may be some dodgy companies being operated as the video claims.

However, this kinda shit happens in every country. There are countless stories of PND schemes but no one is making a video saying US are frauds. US actively works to destroy African farms by subsidising agriculture and imposing heavy tariffs.

I mean, I work at a govt owned company and we cook books on the regular just so our CFO looks good. You cannot deny that there is a massive market to be exploited due to the rise of middle class in China. China Unicom is probably one of the most obvious plays out there..

>not getting in on these GRWG gains

>>21609329
There is a 2x hedged ETF that pays dividends. So you get growth and dividends. I forgot the ticker. I wish there was something like that on TSX.

>>21609335
Why tho? Wouldn't there be a scramble and sell off like in march or is this a different circumstance?

>>21609235
Agreed.
That’s why I use
Vanguard - just for long term buy and holds and comfy feels
Robinhood - Buying memes and trying (and failing) to time my buys
M1finance - to just DCA in and at least always be making a consistent minimum $400 buy each week regardless of what the market is doing

>>21609385
*not hedged leveraged

>>21609343
What’s China unicom
Do they actually let foreigners invest in it

>>21609280
I guess you bought ciggies with it. Prob what I'd have done

>USD continues to die
whats the point of making it when my money will be worth less than the peso soon?

>>21609405
What the fuck is that thing

Help me out bros. I have 111K to invest. What stocks?

>>21609532
$111k of Tesla

>>21609532
TSM for a safe 5-year hold

>>21609449
I have never withdrawn from my account

>>21609317
>>21609335
>>21609386
Well what happened to gold after the first .com bubble burst? Absolutely nothing.

>>21609613
Thanks for the suggestion. Thinking of initial 10K and invest more every few months unless there is a big dip where I would put lots more.

I have 35k sitting in a savings account doing nothing and I feel bad about it, but the 2k I took out to test invest has done nothing good so maybe it's not so bad to let it sit

Have just not had a big break with options again. Every buy option I do I either hold too long and lose my money or sell too early at a loss and lose out on massive gains when it pumps. Yet somehow I keep breaking even, resulting in my account crabbing. Thus far I've only had 2 options I was sure of, one I held long enough to pump my account to 200k....and I didn't sell until it lost massive value. The second one I got annoyed by the price manipulation likely from bots so sold and went elsewhere only for it to 7x and subsequently 10x a week later...not as big a gain that could have been compared to my initial win but would've been nice.

At this point slow and steady seem to be the only strategies I have left unless there is something else.

Any recommendations? I only have a few idea's but it's clear now I'll be trapped as a wageslave sooner or later (unemployed).

About 39k is in stocks. So only have 38k to play with (if all my options were closed).

>>21609329
Found it.

https://etracs.ubs.com/product/detail/index/ussymbol/SDYL

It's an ETN not an ETF.

>>21609532
How above the above ETN.

i need 100k fast

>>21608245
Revlon looks like it will get a boost

Any REFR boys picking up some more shares on this dip?

>>21609343

China is a shithole and everybody knows it.

Don't invest in shitholes.

>>21608245
You guys better be keeping it un-lewd.

>>21609727
>Investing with 2k when you have 35k in the bank.
Just buy MSFT or QQQ

>>21609531
It's showtime!

>>21609823
kek

>>21609775
Oh I forgot the REFR guy. Let's take a look. He was so sure about this thing. I think it should have been fairly stable. He would have told us if it mooned.

Oh...
Poor guy.

>>21609875
It moons quite often, but it's definitely not stable. It feels a lot like a buyout candidate to me.

>>21609819
bro im scared to lose it all. I wanna see what my 2k can do by the end of the year and also how the election turns out. then maybe i'll touch more of it. it may not seem like much money to a lot of people here but it's all I have

>>21609317
No. Do think of shinies as having any particular correlation with equities. They can in short bursts but over longer term there isn't a strong negative correlation. The gauge shiny price action relative to something else, watch the USD. Mainly watch DXY and USDEUR pair. You want those lines going down for best bullish climate for shiny.

looking to sell some options I have and take the profits to buy either AAPL AMZN or TSLA

what you guys think?

Bought some TSLA puts at close today. Should gap down premarket and into open back to 1840-1860ish. Anyone else thinking the same?

>>21609531
That's all that stands between Chicago and Coronavirus.

>>21609903
Since /ptg/ started we thankfully have less and less of these tickers.
I also just looked at SNSS as well and I hope the guy got out at some high.
>>21609982
I started with 15k back in the day and a 1k move meant the world to me. I know how you feel. But honestly you'd be better to dump it all into SPY or QQQ and then just sell some of that and space out when you feel comfortable.
There is no reason to hold cash unless you need it for something.

Obviously do never enter a trade you feel anxious about or makes you lose sleep. Just saying on average SPY beats any saving account. Every dump now was an unimaginable "top" two years ago.

>>21609982
Make small but modestly safe plays. Try to only use options when you're sure one way or the other, don't ever spend more than $100 on an option. Small gains over time add up, so you'll be doing this everyday.

Just make sure to consider your position when in options and try to weigh how much it'll go up/down in the first few days and see what needs to happen for you to make gains.

Never get greedy, worry less about percentages and more about the actual money.

>>21610087
It's a shitcoin completely disconnected from reality at this point. Who knows.

>>21610087
If it does I’m buying it up

>>21609982
Just do ETFs. VOO VTI are the standard. QQQ if you want tech. They're buy and hold long term.
Don't gamble on options unless you know what you're doing.

fucking gild

>>21610122
I haven't seen a /ptg/ thread up in a while. I honestly love those guys, they give the thread some lore. I'll never forget MGNAbro. I think SNSS anon made it out on some other bet.

NVDA earnings call tommorow at 5pm EST. Don't forget to buy the dip on Thursday!

I don't even own TSLA but it's so dumb how everyone pretends they're just a car company. Almost as if they aren't the closest company to public self driving vehicles. As if perception doesn't matter.

It's not a clown market, you're just too dumb to realize why they're prospering at the current moment.

>>21610126
>don’t spend more than $100 on an option

ngmi

>>21609755
Looks interesting. What would be the benefits of this over just Div Arist low ER index? I'm a moron and got burned by an ETN before. This looks good though

>>21610206
Long ago I told my dad to but NVDA because they "make the best graphics cards". He's told me on a few occasions how much money that made him.
It makes me happy.

>>21609233
brother

>>21609982
>>21610157
Buy SDYL. It outperforms spy by 2x and pays 5.87% dividend.

Don't forget to buy DBX on open tomorrow or you'll miss the bull run

>>21610122
heck even $50 in my 2k account is big to me. playing with 35k is a bit crazy to think about right now.

>>21610126
>>21610157
options are a bit out of my scope of knowledge right now. I definitely don't want to play with my whole savings on them. if and when I do, I'd probably only take a little out to play with again.

my plan would definitely be VTI or something along those lines for the vast majority of it but I keep hearing about a crash this fall/winter so I don't mind waiting and see what happens

>>21610201
Fair enough. You remember the big pumps and dumps.
ONTX, FCEL just from this year.
WKHS obviously.
NKLA.

It's also like horse betting. You don't have to bet to have fun. You just watch and enjoy the show.

Maybe a little bit offtopic but is e-toro any good? Or just a meme ?

>>21610276
Yeah if there was something equivalent on TSX and hedged to CAD, I'd buy it. Lately all I've been buying are 2x hedged ETFs on TSX.

>>21610281
Thats an awesome story anon

>>21610323
>heck even $50 in my 2k account is big to me. playing with 35k is a bit crazy to think about right now.
It's not going to 0 if it's an index ETF/ETN even if it's leveraged.

So is NVDA going to dump tomorrow or Friday? Is the bull run gonna continue next week?

>>21610270
When you only have $2k, I don't think it's wise to spend a lot on options. You could theoretically see results faster but its riskier. Later you can and should make larger option plays.

>>21610329
Nikola is the most egregious one I've seen yet.

>>21609532
Whatever you do, make sure to put however much of it you're *not* willing to lose completely in a broad market ETF like SPY. After that, whatever suits your risk tolerance, something like:

> medium risk
Sector ETFs / QQQ, large-cap dividend stocks with strong financials, physical precious metals

> medium-high risk
small caps with strong financials, growth stocks with high P/E, commodities extractors

>high risk
leveraged ETFs, beaten down financially questionable companies, speculative but undiscovered small caps, going all in on any mid or large cap

> WTF are you doing jesus christ risk
biomeme stocks + other PnD's, commodities explorers, anything in OTC markets, going all-in on any small cap or lower, any kind of options trading other than covered calls, any kind of trading on margin

>>21609175
>market cap higher than all other car companies
>most popular car in exactly 1 US state

>>21610288
>Advertising leveraged ETFs to a beginner
>>21610323
You're not playing. You're investing.
Buying SPY is not gambling. Buying QQQ, AAPL, MSFT or GOOG is not gambling. All are long term holds that practically guarantee a return.
Do not wait for a crash. It will not matter in 10/20 years IF we dump again. Which is a big IF.

>>21610473
I dislike the biomemes that stock around after their stuff has failed. It's dead and people want to necromance a dead ticker.

>>21609643
yeah but cant you see THAT CHART WANTS HIGHER

>>21610493
The stock market is about the future not the past, electric cars are the future

>>21610485
I put 65k into large cap growth stocks today kek
It's 40% fang so it should be relatively save I think.

Good night
See you at open
>>21610555
Wonder why AMD is still at 80 and not 3k. Do people not now semis are the future??

>>21610485
Thanks for the advice. I'm already doing some of the more conservative stuff already have 200K in different normy indexes. Just want to say thanks and that you're advice is solid.

>>21610485
>physical precious metals
Right now they're indistinguishable from speculating on shitcoins.

>>21610584
The market cap is 100 billion for amd what do you mean anon? That's pretty high. It shouldn't just be the stock price alone that you're using for analysis

>>21610329
>no OL bitch gf to get irresponsibly drunk with and let ride me
grrrr....

>>21610201
>>21610329
>You don't have to bet to have fun. You just watch and enjoy the show.
That's what I do, but I swear there's a way to game these. I just am apparently not clever enough.

>>21610564
Growth always goes up and down the quickest

>>21609982
>bro im scared to lose it all. I wanna see what my 2k can do by the end of the year and also how the election turns out. then maybe i'll touch more of it. it may not seem like much money to a lot of people here but it's all I have
Just invest what you're willing. Don't increase it just cause some anon says it's pointless. Markets go up? That 2k sill likely be more so long as you dont panic sell (albeit there is a time for panic selling eg early march before the bottom) and panic buy a stock as it goes parabolic only to buy the top. Also you don't want to be all in and the market crashes like it did in 2008 (second leg down, there was the intial dump in 2007). It likely wont fewl good if your money gets slash by 50% to 75% or 100% if the company goes bankrupt.

>>21610564
QQQ and FANG/FAGMAN are basically the same thing so probably still "medium" risk. I'm personally concerned that tech is overbought despite the obvious strength of the companies, but maybe I'm just being too much of a boomer.

IS THIS PRICED IN?
1/3

>>21610584
doesn't matter how amazing they are when they're bottlenecked hard by their production capacity. AMD gets their chips from TSM and TSM is fully booked for a year.
this is why you still gotta diversify in other shit like MSFT and AAPL since the upside on those megacap techs will be much bigger than a pure manufacturer's.

makes me wonder how much intel paid to reserve such a huge number of capacity (compared to AMD's) out of nowhere. Even if Huawei was kicked out recently, it's not like the other companies like NVDA aren't fighting for TSM's vacant capacity either.

>>21610788
2/3

>>21610555
Then why are all stocks not at infinity? I thought the future was priced in? Checkmate atheists.

>>21610819
3/3

>>21610788
It says not to use it to make decisions.

>>21610829
Because there are finitely many stars in the universe. :^)

>>21610819
I instinctively started looking these up as if they were tickers.
>>21610680
Yeah I don't have it in me to do it either, I just throw 20 bucks at the biggest meme in the thread and dip out at +20%

>>21610794
*comparable to AMD's
intel has a chance to hit a stalemate with AMD if they make a miracle happen in 2021/2022. I highly doubt it though since they still need to redesign their chips to fit TSM's processes.

>>21610850
fish storm, won't even make landfall

>21610542
I don't mind leveraged ETFs. I have some in my smaller account. For 35k I'd probably shy away and take the safer normal ETF though. I'll do some more research first before dumping it into something but I do like QQQ and VTI. I'm only 24 so I guess I have a long investing future ahead of me so a few more months of getting comfortable is probably okay. I remembered I do have 8.5k in a mutual fund somewhere I only found out about a few weeks ago.

>>21610713
my main concern is a big correction soon with all the pumping going on, and me getting in at the wrong time initially. I wouldn't feel good then like it was a good investment. if I don't NEED the money for a few years and a crash comes, then I can stomach it I think. hell even this past crash lasted only a few months.

>>21610654
True, but the value of gold or silver is not going to zero. I basically consider it similar to a sector bet. That said, silver is likely higher risk since it's historically been very volatile. Buying either at these levels says you want protection against further potential currency devaluation.

>>21610876
short HWIF

>>21610693
>>21610744
It's only 10% of my portfolio. I'm in mostly boomer stuff like vti/vxus. I just want to be a little more aggressive. I have a meme rh account with tqqq net tsm. Basically stuff that's shilled here

>>21610788
If you believe in chaos theory, all you have to do is fart near the beginning of the hurricane, and it should nudge it enough to avoid the entire eastern seaboard :^)

>>21610980
atlanta already tried this
https://twitter.com/nwsatlanta/status/1288958261895585793?s=21

Is it a bad idea to use Robinhood for long term investments?

>>21611057
Robin hood crashes when the market is at its peak making your stock a long hold by default desu

>>21610901
You can just dollar cost average if you're that worried. Like 500-1000 into qqq/vti a month.

>>21609698
Why wouldn't you just invest it all in the big dip?

>>21608599
If you want to short a bank stock I'd suggest WFC. Wells Fargo is always somehow the biggest bank to manage to fuck things up. Not only that but they have bad fundamentals compared to different banks

If I have a covered call position, and I want to close out that option before I'm forced to exercise it (if in the money at time of execution), I would do what exactly? Buy that specific option on close?

>>21610201
>>21610122

Did they fucking off themselves?? KTOV is down to fucking 52 cents

>>21611291
I think it's hard to keep up a thread entirely full of the faithful and weary.

>>21611231
I'm still waiting for it

>>21611231
nothing stopping you from liquidating stable longterm stocks when that happens.
Semiconductors are one of the few shit that continued to grow despite lockdown/pandemic, and there's no reason to expect it to stay stagnant now that shit is recovering.

would you advise you stay 100% cash until who knows when the next big dip will happen?

>>21610182
relax

>>21611231
no one knows when that will be duh

>>21611273
You can buy to close your position before expiration.

So, should I be concerned with this?

My average is about $1.10 and balls deep at 10,000 shares.

>>21611115
The lows seem too high and the highs seem too low. I expect average millennials with student loans, mortgages, children, cars, and medical bills to have negative net worth into their 40s and for the top percenters to have 10+ million.

>>21611115
oh yeah I forgot about this strategy. I can probably do that until I'm comfortable to dump the rest of the lot in. Thanks

The market will never crash again. QE is being performed by all developed nations by the order of the US Fed. All recessions will be promptly squashed by the collective asset buying. This is the golden age of America. The stock market will never crash again. Buy now or be priced out forever.

Am I retarded for paying $10 a week to get stock alerts?

>>21610873
wrong, the universe is spatially infinite

>>21611658
Aren't those free, senpai?

>>21610897
>>21610850
>>21610819
>>21610788
there really should be a meteorology board on 4chan.

>>21611649
Yeah we have a whole bull run higher to go once people get clued in and leave bonds for stocks fully

>>21611706
pretty sure there is a /sci/ thread for it

>>21611730
True . Only a moron buys bonds in this market. Bonds are not worth the paper they are printed on. If you're not 100% equities then you're stupid. 30% leverage is also sensible if you're under 40. Bonds lose to inflation they are completely worthless.

>>21611675
>wrong
I wouldn't be so sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox

>>21610901
However much you decide to invest, make sure to leave enough in savings that you don't feel like you have to sell immediately if, e.g., you lose your job or have a large unexpected expense. Selling when you don't want to will cause suboptimal returns and maybe even negative returns, whereas long hodling will probably make you money eventually. Just under $35k honestly may be a good amount to hold in reserve if you live in a high cost of living area or have a family - it all depends on your monthly expenses.

futures are just ridiculous right now. When is this jewish pump going to end?

>>21611981
>no stimulus
>no Unemployment extension
>no evictions postponed

This pumps are a bull trap desu

>>21611620
I think it's believable. It's 95th percentile not just the top 1%. 99th percentile would be multi millionaires in their 30s

>>21612055
>no Unemployment extension
>no evictions postponed
What does that have to do with FAANG though? It's the only thing that's truly pumping since March.

>>21611528
Yes, sell now

>>21611981
Literally friday because that's when I'll be buying TSLA at the top
>>21612055
unemployment extension in effect but most states are only accepting the 300 and not adding their 100, so it has effectively been cut in half. Still not being disbursed though, my state says they are waiting on FEMA

>>21611981
When all the gay bears who think they can time the market crash get liquidated

>>21611528
>deficient
I assume this means the stock has lost compliance with minimum exchange criteria? Maybe trading below minimum share price?

>>21611944
awful advice given the market climate we are in. all your money needs to be invested. $35,000 invested today in SPY is equal to $714,000 in 30 years post retirement. You are wasting $714,000 cause you're a pussy. You do not need cash. PERIOD. Anyone that tells you otherwise is stupid. You use CREDIT to acquire cash in emergencies. If you have a house use a HELOC otherwise use a line of credit. rates are rock bottom. Cash is absolute garbage and you should have very little if any. My paycheck is immediately sent 100% to robinhood where I buy SPY. Any daily stuff I buy on credit cards and emergencies go on lines of credit until due dates.

>>21611658
YES

>>21612055
>This pumps are a bull trap desu
the problem is that a good portion of real investors (not robinhood zoomers) know this and the first big pullback will scare them into a crash
zoomers will be left with their pants down as whales rip their gainz away
in all honesty it will be incredibly based

We are getting closer to the market levels that draw out the true hatred. 3500 s&p will be the beginning of a new enraging bull run. These levels and current bull run is just the beginning.

Everyone not aboard will be seething beyond imagination.

>>21611658
Are you making $11 a week from those stock alerts?

>>21612304
kinda looks that way

>>21611863
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
That's stupid for a number of reasons, not least of which being that the universe - while being spatially infinite - does have an age. therefore we can only see about 13.7 billion ly in any given direction.

by the way, olbers paradox isn't actually a paradox. it's actually how things really are, just not with stars - instead, it's the light from the reionization of matter after the big bang we see, and it is indeed everywhere, and can be measured. pic related.

>>21612286
in other words, you missed the entire bullrun. sucks to suck

should i buy amzn?

>>21612396
Ive been talking about that since spy 290. The bears are misunderstanding the market

I'm not seeing any form of economic shock.
I'm totally bullish on stocks.

I have an IQ of 168 and I am buying Hudbay Minerals stock at 4.07 tomorrow.

I know it's just going to keep pumping, and I have lost the gamble by not buying in.

>>21612417
>in other words, you missed the entire bullrun.
no, i foresaw the pandemic and went to 80% cash in february
jumped back in and im up 42% since the march dip

>>21612520
Nice. +150% since june 1 here.

>>21612187
Cash may lose you money in real terms in the current environment, but that doesn't change the fact that stocks could lose you money in real AND nominal terms if you have to sell during a downturn. I concede that keeping a leaner (maybe 2-3 months) emergency supply of cash to put more in stocks or precious metals could be OK, but I do not think that taking out longer term debt is a good idea - you're leaving yourself exposed to much larger downside if the fed's dovish stance ever reverses.

>>21612538
based and redpilled
im always glad to hear about other anons successes
just keep the oct pullback in mind while investing

>>21612483
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/goldman-sachs-lifts-gdp-forecast-widely-distributed-vaccine-hopes-2020-8-1029486697#

>>21612581
you don't understand... it will never reverse. this is a new paradigm. if rates ever rise it would be the end of america. that will never happen.

>>21612304

S&P 4000

>>21612599
Ive set it up to be able to passive +100% by eoy regardless of what happens.

>>21612625
2021 sometime. We got what

August/sept 3500
Oct/nov 3550/3600
Eoy 3800

Something like that... Maybe 4000 by eoy

>>21612401
>that's stupid
>t. knower of the size of the universe

>>21612453
how do you figure? just doombull type deal (no better return elsewhere)?

>>21612401
Everything we know about universe is wrong. Its just the best guess right now.

>>21612723
The reasoning isnt based on communicable ideas

Its black box

>>21612762
Like I can try to think of the biggest reasons and communicate them but its not really based on that type of reasoning.

>>21612616
Here's the thing - what you just described, is an increasing loss of faith in the fed's ability to control inflation. Guess what they did the last time that happened? Ultimately, they hiked the rates to 20%. I'm not saying they're going to do that now or anytime in the near future, I'm just saying the fed is aware of market sentiment and that's part of their decision making. If you start to see headlines or water cooler talk saying anything about inflation, look out, because the fed will try to do something about it.

>>21612796
For example I did a massive options play on a stock for q1 er this year. The actual "reasoning" was as close to nonsensical as you can imagine. Similar to imagining shapes in clouds.

If you want some simple logical statements for why then you wont be able to predict

>>21612699
well not to get too far OT here but the curvature of the universe appears to be flat, and the microwave background is isotropic, which either individually or taken together strongly suggest that the universe is indeed spatially infinite. we see the light from the big bang @ the same temperature and the same distance in all directions, meaning that the big bang seems to have happened everywhere at once.

certainly nothing proven (it honestly probably can't be proven) but the evidence does suggest that our universe is spatially infinite.

>>21612864
That's - 1/12

im redy 2 ride da horsie tomorow

>>21612854
I firmly believe the way we operate our high level layer of intelligence is super inefficient. For instance do this

Human calculating some basic math
Vs
Calculator

Now compare the actual total cognitive power of the two systems. We are basically some ungodly hack to even so math or reason logically, most cant do basic logical thought.

People vastly overrate human high level reasoning. Even a slightly better complexity management systrm applied to thought results in being able to predict the stock market to a high degree

>>21608558
There is one call. Only one person can buy it. Whoever is first to order gets it.
You shouldn't be doing options if you dont understand basic market fundamentals.

I haven't paid attention to my horse in like two weeks, why did it go up?

>>21611339
/ptg/ was actually good at DD. They're the prime example of what autism can accomplish. /smg/ is just autistic day trading/swing trading gamblers

>>21611115
Tfw id be in the top 50% across all age groups had i sold my stocks when i was at about 210k

Top 25% amongst anyone under 40...when Im not even close to 40....but only if i had sold. It hurts

>He sold the NAK dip
https://www.kcaw.org/2020/08/18/alaska-republican-party-endorses-bristol-bays-pebble-mine/

>>21613058
I sold most of my WKHS today after I already sold half at 100% gain. If USPS is putting off the decision about the contract until after the election, I don't want to keep my capital tied up until then. It may pump a bit but I think it will mostly crab.

>>21613414
What do the purple check marks mean in your image?

>>21613455
I'm hoping for a morning dump and then crab so I can sell more covered calls for a few weeks.

>>21613414
95% and above is easy. Esp because most of that is couples and home equity

Okay that's it. I have had enough. I am buying a new office chair. My repairs of previous repairs of previous repairs of the upholstery are giving out again.

Will have to check if used office furniture store is open. Hope so.

>>21612814
>If you start to see headlines or water cooler talk saying anything about inflation, look out, because the fed will try to do something about it.
What do you recommend doing at that point?

>>21613631
Amazon basics have cheap chairs

>>21613531
Thats the group im in had i sold. 210k network. Nope not anymore sub 6 figures now.

>>21613825
I'll check but I have had best experience with used office supply. Often they will have fancy name brand chairs that were rarely used, cost $1000 new, sold for $100.

>>21609982
ATM QQQ calls 1+ months out. Hold through red days.

>>21613586
Scratch that, the checkmark for example means i have more money than that category but less than the group above it eg for the leftmost group im in the top 5%. For 25-29 id be in the top 10%, 30-34 top 15%, etc

>>21613586
I dont count home equity as some people dont really have the home paid off so if they sold it for cash they likely wont get the market value of it entirely for themselves.

>>21610035
Definitely get AAPL and TSLA before the split

the moment we stop believing in a crash is the moment it happens

>>21608245
MRK call $85 exp 10/16

They are about to release an out patient version of Remdesivir. Phase three ends in September.

Morning star values them at $100, they also stand to have vaccine mass production capabilites after reaserch and development is comokete.

>Merck, one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world, has been conspicuously absent from the race to develop COVID-19 vaccines and drugs. No longer. The company this morning announced it has cut deals to develop and manufacture two different COVID-19 vaccines and a much-discussed experimental antiviral compound that is already in early clinical trials.

Feeling forlorn bros

>>21614290
By saying this, you secretly believe a crash is possible, which postpones the crash.

Is Coke any good? I know it's a boomer safe stock but is it actually safe or am I going to get cucked by zoomers drinking onions?

UHHHHH HORSIES?????????


the article is deleted but google it for yourself

>>21614310

>Remdesivir.

There's a sucker born every minute.

>>21614598
wow

>>21614524
Nothing short of complete social collapse could ruin Coke, and in that scenario all assets become worthless.

>>21614598
I found this from 2016
https://fox11online.com/news/local/fox-cities/oshkosh-corp-to-build-prototype-mail-truck

>>21608292
If youre a dumb dumb like me, picking stocks you like and holding over time is what will get you modest returns. Also investing on March 23rd when everybody was saying the game had changed

>>21613978
That's the entire point of calculating net worth. Sale price - mortgage owing - all other debts + all other assets.

Thinking about droping 50k in Kroger.

Low P/E, dividend, starting to get into e-commerce.

Also Buffett has some.

>>21614950
KR is good stuff, sell covered calls on it.

>>21614310
>Remdesivir
Are you some kind of fucking retard dog-raping goy slut whore?
You don’t know about Merck’s antivirals?
You don’t listen to Faber?

>>21614598
>>21614688
Fuck off samefag.

>>21614015
What do you guys think the dip will be for post split TSLA? Will it just continue going up every day until then and then march on up?

>>21615143
I just want to to make... print.

>>21615200
TSLA will be $500 after the split.

>>21611360
You missed it. The big dip was in March.

>>21615200
>>21615200
I saw an interesting take that the split is bearish since the lower notional price will have the RH zoomers get stock instead of 1 delta calls, so the MMs have way less gamma to hedge and get squeezed to infinity

>>21615381
Nah thats how I made the 111K I have in cash. I tripled my initial investment

>>21615291
Any updates? Have they put out any dates to expect info?

I would also be curious about Lilly and Regeneron’s COVID trials if I were you.

>>21615381
>theres only 1 dip
He doesnt know....

>>21612864
If the universe is spatially infinite then that means infinite Earths exist throughout the infinity.

What's the deal with extremely high gamma?

>>21614290
Lol I still secretly think there will be a crash even though I'm in heavy.

>>21614398
So basically im self sabotaging in the sense that my non invested cash is losing out on gains from a crash while at the same time losing out on gains of throwing it in.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>21615851
You referring to the GEX?

>>21615722
That's more of a philosophical question, but I don't necessarily believe that's true.

>>21615863
I'm q new day that started buying in April. How do we minimize losses when it crashes again?

>>21616082
I'm a newfag* and filthy phone poster****

Pain is coming!

>>21616082
>How do we minimize losses when it crashes again?
Manual or pre set stop loss. By manual I just mean you have a particular low price you are unwilling to hold below, so you sell manually if the chart is messing around down there. Pre set is just entering a stop loss order in to your broker. I tend to do this manually as I usually get a better exit if I don't instantly sell when my threshold price gets hit. Depends if you're watching all day or not.

Second is to hedge. This is either buying things with inverse correlation to the index or buying puts on your position as insurance in the case of rapid drop.

>>21616082
>>21616179
Didnt understand what you said at first. No idea other than not being all in AND cheapy buy puts on stocks you own so you can minimize losses should they crater although potentially a bad idea if the stock only crabs and you end up losing more money via the buy puts.

>>21608616
>>21608659
Thanks for the responses.
>>21613232
Forgive me for asking a question... Sorry I don't know everything about the market like you. Do appreciate your response though.

>>21616484
>>21616537
Thank you! I figured manual stop loss but have never messed with puts. I will research this.

>>21616593
I am telling you because retards here will not warn you of the fire you are about to burn yourself in. Take your time to learn (not on /smg/), don't douse yourself in gasoline first.

>>21611291

I’m thinking about it, down 60k (1/5 th of portfolio)

I don’t know wtf I was thinking. Got caught in the hype, thought I could make it. Didn’t see the R/S coming. Was warned and ignored it.

All ETFs from here.

>>21610087
Why the fuck would it do that, shit has gone nothing but up

>>21616700
60k is 1/1 of my portfolio, you'll survive

>>21610087
You're not very smart, are you? Will you learn your lesson this time?

>>21610329
FCEL is bank with covered calls and selling puts. WKHS will do fine even without USPS. TBLT and HEXO are also too cheap to pass up right now, by EOY they should both easily double in share price.

>>21616774
Hypothetically, lets say tesla goes from $1900 to $2000.

With no news, and pure hypotheticals the amount of risk tesla has to go down is way more than the chance of it going up. If it does go up, you made $100.

You have to be a special kind of retard to buy tesla at the top.

>>21608394
i think that will only happen if biden wins. markets are waiting to see who takes control of the country

>>21610493
Solar, power storage and energy brokering, insurance, semis, leader in autonomous vehicle development, direct sales and built to order reducing middle man and surplus, carbon credits, global expansion... Tesla is just getting warmed up.

>>21616875
I dont think you understand what is happening with Tesla. Its called "consolidation." Its not going down buddy. Don't you get it? How many times have you heard "this time its over"? And yet here we are, TSLA almost 2000. Tesla will soon be a trillion dollar company, which means its stock price can still triple.

>>21616688
Like I said, I appreciate your response. Maybe I took it a little too close to heart since I'm tired. The best advice I've gotten from here is not to have more than 10% of your portfolio in options. Options are new to me, so I'll take my time to learn them.

>>21616688
bullish

>>21616983
>only 1 trillion
I expect 2-3 trillion and a top 5 market cap within 3 years.

>>21616986
It is good you are starting with covered calls. You really don't need any other options honestly. Just pick good solid stocks, sell above your cost basis, and don't get greedy. Its ok to sell a call for only a few dollars, it adds up over time, more than dividends.
You could get something like HPQ and sell a far out of the money $10 call each week, that would earn you 20% on your cost basis in just one year, plus you get dividends and any growth.

>>21616040
Yes, literally ATH.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>21617319
Oh jeez look at that. I wonder if that could have something to do with the massively crowded DXY shorts right now. There's nothing particularly extreme on the COT, presumably this gamma would be coming from long large specs selling covered calls?

how does one keep their sanity in this market? where everything seems to dump in the first 10 minutes

>>21614290
there will be no crash, corona was a fucking hoax, there is no "second wave" and most people are over it by now. Everyone is back to work, it's only up from here

Daily reminder to not forget to take some profits and buy something nice for yourself every so often, biznitches. Ordered a new speargun today, can’t wait to go murder some fish more efficiently.

>>21617725
The crash is in the dollar, not the markets
Mission accomplished

>>21617718
I don’t wake up until an hour of two after open (Hawaii standard timelette). Sometimes I set some limit buys the night before and then wake up to profit.

>>21608618
Don't forget Qualcomm

AKER finally a green.

I'm really tempted to short tesla theres no way that moon is sustainable 300 to 2k in under 6 months is a pipe dream it will crash

>SRNE down almost 14% after-hours when they fired their CFO
Is it time for some cheapies today? I cant tell anymore with this meme stock.

>>21617996
Timing a bubble pop is a fool's errand.

>>21617996
Timing the top is the stupidest thing you can do, just recognize when it's dying and short then. Less gains but monumentally less risk.

Anyone have something good to buy. Made a ton buying overstock but I think the online retail bubble is about to burst.

>>21617996
Best not bet against human irrationality, anon

>>21617996
I'm going to short it before their October earnings if it's still at these crazy valuations.

> TSLA $200
> "It's a meme company, waste of money."
> TSLA $500
> "Hype Bubble, it will pop soon."
> TLSA $700
> "You'd have to be retarded to buy now."
> TSLA $900
> "CULT FUCKING FOLLOWING, THIS COMPANY IS VAPORWARE, IF YOU BOUGHT NOW YOU'LL NEVER GET YOUR MONEY BACK"
> CoronaCrash
> TSLA $400
> "HA! I TOLD YOU! YOU SHOULD'VE INVESTED IN BOOMER STOCKS"
> TSLA $1900
> this kills the seething boomer
Will he buy at $2000? It STILL would be cheap for a share of the only Company out there that pushes our civilization forward at the accelerated pace.

>>21617718
don't buy garbage like in your pic.
buy good tech stocks, and bluechips.
buy qqq/tqqq.
any dip, just buy it.
in a few years you're suddenly much wealthier.
unless you're asking how to actively trade for much faster wealth, well then you're in an even worse position than i thought

>>21618149
seething tesla bashers, lmao.
bears are so retarded. why short something like tesla. out of all the shitty stocks out there you can short. you have to be an attention whore contrarian bashing tesla.
braindamage

>>21617718
First, you should not have 20 positions.
Second:
>F
>GE
>VDE
>HAL
>MRNA
>EADSY
>DIS
Get rid of that fucking trash. ESPECIALLY GE AND FORD. You already have VTI, just stick it in that if you want "blue chips."
Get enough of stuff like SPCE, SBUX, SPXL (or TNA) and sell covered calls.
Also you a bit light on tech, maybe pick up some QQQ or QLD.

How can i, a retard buy Nihon Falcom stock

>>21618183
I saw that copypasta before.

>>21618229
Oh hey, I was gonna ask this too. Also from the /vrpg/ thread I assume?

>>21618295
yes

>>21615143
do you really think i'd go through the trouble of using a different IP to post a "wow"

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I THINK IM TURNING INTO A NIGGER

WHAT DO I DO BOYS!?
I DONT WANNA BE A NIGGER
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>21618456
>>21618456
>>21618456
>>21618456
new thread you lazy fucks

>>21618229
>>21618295

get a broker/robinhood account and search for Nihon Falcom Corporation (3723.T), place a buy order at a price u think it gets filled

whats the difference between buying vti on robinhood and going to vanguard's website and giving them my money that way
yes i am new and retarded

>>21618149
>Gambling on tesla at this point
Very high risk, no potential to multiply your money
Just gamble on pennystocks instead, also risky but at least youve got the potential for a multiplier
Far far better potential Reward / Risk

>>21618321
>What is ms paint