/biz/ - Business & Finance

I wish I never sold Tim Apple all those points ago...

I'm getting really spooked from all of the doomsday youtube videos. What should I do on monday?

Haha Jeff Bezos make my moneys go up

How about bored as fuck edition. I sincerely thought about buying an Ethereum just so that I have a line to watch. I need a life.

>>20908526
Megumi is cute but Hisako is peak wife

enough with the cheese anime. you can do much, much better, faggot.

Rate my monthly chart and post yours frens. Made 592 despite a disastrously stupid daytrade on KODK that lost me 230. Goal is to hit 12k this month.

>>20908597
Basically why I hold any crypto, weekend watching. This weekend so far has been nice watching ETH and XRP go up

Is this seriously the IB interface? I don't know if I want to learn all this.

TRUMP BANNING TIKTOK

What happens to Microsoft now? He said he doesn't like the spin off deal either

>>20908575
which videos?

>>20908575

answer me, I feel fucking nauseous from being so scared.

>>20908597
You should have bought, BTC will clearly push 12k tonight and ETH will obviously follow

Are there any lawyers here?
Is getting banned from /pol/ a human rights violation?

>>20908708

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SILfErHjzuw
there's like 10 videos like this. I'm so fucking scared.

>>20908698
Wasn't aware Tik Tok and Microsoft had any connections

>>20908617
Sure. I got BTFO this month during that first week. Had a pretty strong final week though. I feel good about how next month is going to go. Still +32% ish on the year.

>>20908636
I have a mental hang up about crypto since I'm actually a boomer in disguise. I just need to take the plunge.

>>20908662
There's literally nothing complicated on there though

>>20908698
It didn’t pump during talks of buying so I don’t know why it would dump after this news

>>20908731
>he doesnt know how to unban himself

>>20908731
I didn't think it was possible to get banned from /pol/, what did you do?!

>>20908698
If the market discounts the deconfirmation of TikTok acquisition rumors that only lived during off market hours, it would be peak retardation

>>20908597
No life without money.

NVDA call bros, where you at?

should i put all my money in kodk since there is a huge crab coming soon?

>>20908717
Now is not the time for fear. That comes later.

>>20908871
yeah man. post-1000x pump is a perfect time to get in

>>20908881

So is a crash not coming? Or is it just a little crash where we can buy cheapies? I'll kill myself if I lose my fucking money

>>20908871
Yea man put all your money in a meme pump and dump stock, report back in 6 months.

>>20908662
Yes, and it's fucking horrible. 90% of the windows don't even work or are at least very broken. Even the simplest window types -- charts -- fail to update, update with incorrect candles (example: green colored despite current price being lower than open, one of open/close being completely wrong while the other is right, candles rendering on top of each other, 4 minute candles rendering with overlaps on a 15 minutes chart), etc. all the time.
ibkr is a broken piece of shit, and on top of that nickel and dimes the shit out of you.

>>20908919
>I'll kill myself if I lose my fucking money
Then don't put more than you're willing to lose into 1 trade.

>>20908919
real estate crash definitely gonna happen again in the US, what with people not paying rents or mortgages

>>20908786
Those are what they call buying opportunities.

>>20908754
Fear leads to clicks. Clicks lead to advertising revenue...

>>20909124
>definitely
highly doubtful, but you should stake everything on it if you're certain.
My opinion: the dips will be bought
could cause a nice dip in stocks and PM's if there's a good enough dip for people to want to free up cash for real estate.

>>20908597
same dude, I'm even tempted to buy xrp and chain just to ride a pump and dump

Guys I think I am going to sperg dive in to F1 racing. It seems like the right thing to do at this point in my life.

>>20908935
Well, shit. I already feel Jewed by our domestic brokers and thought IB was quite cheap. What are better alternatives for Europeans?

>>20909124
I (somehow) managed to DCA enough into NLY to get out of it even a few weeks ago. Done with real estate until it properly bottoms out. Right now I'm just trying to catch morning bag dumps and selling end of day/early morning. Wall Street has been a clown show this year, and crypto has unironically been behaving more rationally.

I kind of feel bad for you guys so let me give you some advice as someone who was victim to a few pennystock pump & dumps when I was new. When you see a stock rise like 500% in one day, it's over. Don't get in. You missed it. There was probably no way for you to get it anyway unless you have algos watching relative volume. Every pump & dump follows this graph shape. When you watch that slow, precipitous decline, you are literally watching the denial, bargaining, and acceptance stages of grief play out from real bagholders.

should i put all my money in spy since there is a huge dump coming soon?

>>20909124

How much does the real estate market affect the stock market?

I am actually hoping for a real estate market crash. I've been working and living like a 3rd world refugee to try and save money for a house, but I want a good deal and refuse to pay 300,000 dollars for a tiny condo. But the reason I have a very large chunk of my savings in the stock market is to save for a housing crash.

>>20909252

>>20909275
>but I want a good deal and refuse to pay 300,000 dollars for a tiny condo. But the reason

welcome to toronto its $800,000

>>20909277

>>20909275
ask yourself who is giving mortgages in the first place

>>20909286

Yeah. I'm not even in a rush to move, I have cheap rent, but I can't feel safe in life until I have a house paid off. I need a housing crash to happen, but people may drag the stock market down with them as they are homeless because they couldn't save even one months of emergency expenses

>looking at Kodak's fundamentals
This loan is the purest form of crony capitalism I've ever seen. This is where the real money is.

>>20909252
>When you see a stock rise like 500% in one day, it's over. Don't get in. You missed it. There was probably no way for you to get it anyway unless you have algos watching relative volume.
Correct! When looking at past PnDs you should do so with an eye to analysing how it might have been traded and where you could have reasonably entered and exited in a risk controlled way. With many of these those entry and exit points are very iffy and you would have had to get lucky twice, on both entry and exit, to get a reasonable chunk of the move without exposing yourself to -30% gap down or whatever overnight.

>>20909259
>since there is a huge dump coming soon?
Why do you think this?

Why yes, I did buy Apple 400 8/7 puts

>>20909408
lol, losing money on AMD puts wasn't enough for you?

>>20909232
do it anon. /f1/ is a very kino sport and niggerton will probably be gone in a few years. he is a good driver, top 3 in the field no doubt, but he has consistently been handed a ridiculously strong car by his team and his skills have been inflated.

>>20909397

I'M NOT HIM, BUT I ALREADY REFERENCED LIKE 10 YOUTUBE VIDEOS TALKING ABOUT HOW THE US ECONOMY IS GOING TO FALL APART AND THE DOLLAR IS COLLAPSING

>>20908617
Big downtick was a withdrawal. Made 6k this month, feels pretty comfy. Hoping to get to 150k in 18 months or so

>>20909441
Apple is going to dump Monday, prove me wrong.

ANSWER ME!

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY NOT WORRIED ABOUT A GREAT DEPRESSION 2.0?

>>20909481
No

>>20909466
Youre right but it wont last very long. Apple LITERALLY only goes up

>>20909466
i hope so

alright, so i sold all my stocks (mostly reits, and KO) and i put it into an etf that was based around midcap growth. from the bit of research that i did, and looking at its chart, it seemed like the most aggressive play i've done so far. i wanted to go into a mutual fund, then i heard about index funds. then i looked into etfs more so i figured this would be a good next step. are there any other etfs i should look into?

should i put all my money in reits since there is a huge real estate crash coming soon?

>>20908526
Niggers make up 13% of the population yet commit 50% of the crime. Considering humans are animals it would mean that biggers are literally the most violent animal in the entire planet. You have a bigger chance of getting attacked by a deranged porch monkey than you are to be attacked by dogs,cats,sharks,snakes,bears,wolves,tigers,lions and every other race of humans.
They are literally the most dangerous animal to ever exist in the entire universe

>>20909506
just wanna buy 7 shares under $400

>>20909481
Great depression 2.0 will be favorable to people who hold gold, silver, and fractional shares of AMZN. They will be kingmakers.

>>20909481
yes

>>20909466
i dont have to prove shit, no one can prove it's more than a coinflip gamble either way
but when has it been a good idea to bet against a fresh FOMO crowd

Think Clorox will have positive earnings on Monday?

>>20909349
Its also pure PR. Ties directly to Trumps make america great theme. He dreams of resurrecting manufacturing

should i put all my money in pfe since there is a huge pandemic coming soon?

>>20909481
I will deal with it if/when the time comes.

>>20909521
bro you are being so aggressive right now

>>20909579
yes

>>20909528
>since there is a huge real estate crash coming soon?
why do you think this?

>>20909542
I do too but more

>>20908717
Most "investors" on youtube are LARPING. The one's who consistantly push doomporn are lying to you. Yes there will be a correction, yes the dollar is going down but the bubble wont pop yet. After the elections is when the bubble pops. Ppl who vote dem dont care about the stock market so they get no benefit in trying to bring it down or up. Big Donald on the other hand really fucking loves the market so he will do everything in his power to keep the bubble going to incentives investors to vote for him. Once he gets reelected you can guarantee a crash will happen. So expect the crash to happen around November with 2 month margin of error

>>20909235
tastyworks or deguiro. The fact is, americans are the only people in the world with brokers that aren't a scam.

are any of you guys actually going to take the covid vaccine

>>20909654
LMAO.................... NO.

>>20909654
No way in hell.

>>20909481
We went through the fear stage in March and April. Now we've turned to absurdism and nihilism.

>>20909628
So basically, /cashgang end of September or early October until the floor has been established?

>>20909641
>Americans are the only people in world with brokers arent a scam
Gotta love capitalism. You faggots may have better health care and less niggers but we'll always be able to acquire capital quicker

>>20909654
You WILL take the vaccine goy.

>>20909528
They're already priced at recession valuations. The actual risk is the REIT going bankrupt or just crabbing while tech goes up +40% during the 1 to 2 years you're holding it without much action.

not touching REITs in the US though

>>20909481
More concerned about my own future than the global economy.

Things are looking pretty bleak.

>>20909452
US dollar has been unusually strong for many years, and I expect it to bounce right about now. This is the moment I would want to switch from short USD to long USD.

>>20909602
Cute
Started watching animays more often but life not yet improve.

>>20909565
Yes. But I don’t know how the stock will react. I would GUESS there will be an immediate spike down, then smooth sailing.

>>20909654
Why would I take a vaccine for a disease that isn't even a big deal?

>>20909711
arch lector Gates mandates that you shall take vaccine.

>>20909654
Depends when it is... if it’s one of these things they cut red tape and rushed to market like the moderna vaccine, not likely.

>Buy 2k worth of AAPL 390c 7/31 on Wedesday
>It turns into 15k on Friday
>Put all of that into 0dte SPY 324c at 1pm
>It turns into 95k

I've never made so much money so quickly in my life. I've been trading for months and I just made my entire years salary in 2 days. I don't know what I do, I thought I've been dreaming for the past 2 days.

>>20909695
>not touching REITs in the US though

some reits already hit their bottom and have made the necessary adjustments, if you research i think you can find some that are ok. i wouldn't go all in though, no sireeee

>>20909565
Face melting green dildo. Our receptionist just got some wipes for our break room and told us to ration them because she ordered them months ago when the hoarding started and they just now got here.

>>20909602
> it seemed like the most aggressive play i've done so far
>so far
thanks for the sarcasm buddy

>>20909654
as long as it's not a live vaccine and the adjuvant it uses isn't something crazy.

the real danger is the vaccine not being effective, rather than the vaccine itself being intrinsically dangerous (only with live vaccines, lilke lol what the fuck is an mRNA vaccine gonna do to you?). Also some freak allergic reaction to the adjuvant, but that's why you're supposed to have an epipen handy and stay in the office for awhile until it's certain you're not gonna get an anaphylactic reaction or somethin

>>20909743
>I don't know what I do
>sell stock and house
>buy hookers
>when it runs out become a homeless guy

thank me later

>>20909733
Fuck that faggot.

>>20909743
Whatever u do for GODS SAKE diversify

>>20909743
>winning big with options
Literally put yourself on timeout from doing that again for like a month to avoid giving it back immediately.

>>20909709
>More concerned about my own future than the global economy.
>
>Things are looking pretty bleak.
bro what happened

>>20909771
I didn't know what else to say

>>20909743
make sure to cash out like 40% of that to be ready to pay taxes

>>20909752
im definitely in REIT, but i'm only up like +10% on it (messed up on profit taking back in June since I caught the failling knife too early) while my tech portion have mooned like +40% during the same time period.

maybe im just greedy but i just can't be satisfied with +10% when a lot of shit (not just meme penny stocks) have tripled or quadrupled since the big dip.

>>20909709
Why would the dollar rebound when other countries are making moves away from the USD (after hoarding it the past few months causing temporary USD strength), we've done unprecedented QE, interest rates will remain at 0% for the forseeable future, and we're at the precipice of another massive stimulus bill? Nobody really trusts the fed right now, and that will reflect in boomer rocks for the foreseeable future (as long as JP Morgan stops the crazy price supression on silver)

>>20909822
same old, just having trouble moving forward in life, finding a path, transitioning into a proper working and fully functioning adult, and been shut-in so long the hikki tendencies seem to have returned.

>>20909846
I hear you I'm all in Reits and metals but I have been getting antsy on all the missed opportunities I have had because I'm holding. I bought at the bottom and I'm leaving it. At least i get some dividends.

Commercial real estate is ded. Residential real estate won't crash because REITs are hoarding cash to buy them all up to rent them out. People will still live somewhere, they'll just be renting instead of buying. Welcome to feudalism 2.0.

>>20909822
then just ignore it like everybody else.

>>20909743
Damn bro nice. My turns next I can feel it.

I'm going to kill myself if my account goes down tomorrow

>>20909864
I'm not going to bother refuting things you take on faith, but I believe the democrats relief bill was shooting for 1T, while the previous bill was 3T, so who knows what we will Come out with.

>>20909893
>Middle class vanishes
>Social strata returns to "Royalty" > Nobility/Aristocracy >>> Peasantry

I converted my account's denominated currency to EUR a month ago so whatever cash I hold overnight doesn't get shit on by drumpf
stay mad magatards

>>20909690
>better healthcare

>>20909628
This assumes monetary + fiscal policy has perfect control over the market, and a crash before Nov is absolutely not priced in among retail investors.

In 2008, also an election year, the initial plummet happened when congress, much like right now, was indecisive on the $700b rescue package at the time, before November. It was not the run up to election decision or aftermath.

Most violent period will happen between election results and inauguration though, so maybe buy rifles and weapon stocks.

Crash before election day HIGHLY LIKELY.

>>20909893
>Commercial real estate is ded.
Why do you say that? IMO what will happen is consolidation under a few companies. The trick is choosing the right ones. It's a depressing scenario but I don't think it's dead.

>>20909938
this
Get a job that half matters and you'll have fine health insurance for that care

>>20909913
If AAPL goes up Monday I'm goign to kill myself

>>20909463
Nice. I made about $5k this month.

>>20909932
>>Social strata returns to "Royalty" > Nobility/Aristocracy >>> Peasantry
No it will be
>Billionaires and eventually trillionaires that are so rich they self fund space program so they avoid paying taxes on peasant land > Nobility who own shares in the companies of those billionaires and trillionaires, with promises to join the chosen gods in space stations >>> filthy disgusting leeches only good for shopping in the chosen god's marketplaces instead of their options chains

>>20909876
>I'm all in Reits and metals
BRUH. DIVERSIFY. Put more money into your portfolio for tech shit if you don't wanna touch your REITs/metals position.

look, even if we get a vaccine out, REITs aren't going to magically rebound back to pre-March because of all the uncertainty behind unemployment right now, especially if you're in US REITs. I'm in a Canadian REIT so I'd like to think we're much safer because our banks are highly regulated so all of them are very picky on approving mortgages. Dunno how different it is in the US, but I'm sure there are huge differences considering the issues with rent and mortgage payments you guys seem to have. *I'm still worried about some weird collateral damage we're gonna get if the US crashes though.

>>20909988
Fuck you faggots and your money.
I will be forever bitter at how easy some of you are making money while I sit in cash like a schmuck.

Check your privileges

>>20909654
Not yet. We've never had a coronavirus vaccine. The quickest vaccine ever made in history took us 4 years. ((They)) expect me to think that a rushed vaccine will be safe, a rushed vaccine of a virus that has only existed for 10 months. Sorry but no I wont be test subject. I'll let everyone else get the vaccine 1st and I'll get mine 3 years down the line

>>20910017
>I'm in a Canadian REIT so I'd like to think we're much safer because our banks are highly regulated so all of them are very picky on approving mortgages. Dunno how different it is in the US
Banks are tightening lending requirements. Effectively raising interest rates even if the Fed would like it if they didn't.

>>20909978
Whenever I leave the house I see hundreds of "For Lease" signs and I've seen that once stores go out of business their building just sits empty and unmaintained for years.

>>20910067
>guys I just went outside and saw missiles being launched overhead!

>a real estate agent just flew over my house

>>20910067
>Whenever I leave the house I see hundreds of "For Lease" signs
I am too. Not "hundreds" but there's plenty of signs like that which weren't there before.
They didn't make it. ngmi

>>20908617
Considering strongly doubling my holding in NET based on the fact that they're now directly competing with AWS with a superior and cheaper product. AWS is why Amazon is worth $4k. I absolutely see a possible buyout, or if they don't, a massive rush of money into NET.

>>20909968
Thanks for the advice anon. I was too young to understand what the hell was happening in the market in 2008. What's the best way before a crash like 2008? I'm buying PMs and defense stocks is that good?

>>20908871
Put it all in kodk shorts and you're golden

>>20910017
I'm in US/Asian REITs, basically spread across a few continents. The one that might go under is INN but I've accepted that and just put a bit in in case it grows back.

>>20910067
Yeah it's small time REITs that are dying and the larger ones with money on hand are buying them up. It's risky but I'm rolling with it either way. I'm prepared to lose if it doesn't work out.

I guess you guys are right though, I should choose a blue chip tech stock for balance. I just hate watching those drop after someone buys them.

>>20910126
Hold cash and buy after the crash

>>20909893
commercial real estate is not gonna go back to pre-March levels, but the dip in commercial REIT valuations is an overreaction. Companies want to return to the office since there's a lot of productivity issues with having the bulk of your staff working from home, never mind having to hire and train new staff. Malls are rebounding fast since retailers are finding out they cannot stay profitable with e-commerce alone, even the ones that are best positioned for it (e.g. Aritizia who uses their physical stores more like showcases for their online shit).

>>20909481
It won't be a depression it is a cycle shift this time, USA hegemon has collapsed, unless there is a major jump in the current timeline we are scheduled for an extraordinary global dip in population and quality of life

X/Boomers really did sell out many future generations for a mediocre level of safety and pleasure.

>>20910126
Maybe TLT.

>>20908935
I'm the other hand IBKR has extremely cheap margin interest and very fast execution times.

I'm not in love with the interface but I haven't had any issues with the charting.

>>20910100
Lol, no one with the pockets to buy Cloudflare will be allowed to buy Cloudflare in this environment

>>20909913
I guarantee it will not go down tomorrow. At least your stonks won't.

>>20910169
>global dip in population and quality of life
So does that mean don't buy real estate, keep investing, and then move to southeast asia?

>>20910100
I have some miscellaneous profits that i'm looking to sell some of and shift elsewhere. I know who cloudflare are and what they do, I'm kicking myself for not keeping an eye out for an IPO. What's your target PPS? People seem pretty confident about them online and it makes sense that they are positioned well to grow. I can't imagine their earnings being anything but positive this week. Think I will buy about $2k of it on monday.

>>20910146
Dont listen to this guy. People said March wasn’t the bottom. Look at them now!!

>>20910067
specify where you are because there's a huge difference in commercial real estate between different countries or even states.
Canada for example has been pretty generous with rent and wage subsidies for small businesses. Our bigger REITs have also been generous on abatements or at least deferrals on the rest, except for big shit like Gap, they tried the no-pay-rent bullshit and were iron fisted immediately since the REITs know they are not gonna risk losing those prime retail spots.

Why yes, I did buy $50 8/7 Kodak calls, how could you tell?

>>20910126
I'm not a financial advisor so do your own research.

A big PM position is really strong because 1) inflation proof 2) there's good cause for institutional investors to move out of traditionally safe asset classes like bonds to pm, pushing up its price and 3) a 5-10% drop in gold price is great once you realize most stocks has fallen 50%+

Physical and PHYS (Sprott's line of etfs > GLD for a bunch of security reasons) is how I do it.

Defense is also great, but obviously they can plummet as stocks. I'm holding them before election results for sure.

>>20910169
>X/Boomers really did sell out many future generations for a mediocre level of safety and pleasure.

It's crazy watching them wave off all of the insanity right now because they know they already got theirs, they really dgaf

>>20909252
KODK is a bad example since it pumped so much two days in a row. Most people here never even thought about touching it after the initial pump since it's not like it was going to do it again.

>>20910230
Well let me pose a question, what will you do if your bank and/or broker stop responding to you?

You have five (5) seconds to explain why you're not buying the Intel dip

>>20910206
That's actually true, Congress would not let Amazon buy them. Which means if Cloudflare has the competitive advantage they claim they could make mad fucking bank.

>>20910248
I don't have an upper target. It was originally 30 and when I sold it then it jumped to 40. Rejoined at 36, at 41 again now. They have an 85% profit margin so their growth is basically pure cash. If they eat into AWS, that's billions and billions of dollars.

>>20910316
I was considering kodak 2 months ago lol, that would have been wild if I followed through. I can't even remember why I checked them out.

>>20910340
Because it's going to $20 a share

>>20910347
actually did I say billions I meant half a trillion
https://www.barrons.com/articles/amazon-stock-web-services-worth-half-a-trillion-dollars-51559060451

>>20910337
I'll lose my shit when my concerns about having uncle sam shut me off from my money because I'm outside the borders come to fruition.
but what will I do? I don't know. What would anyone really do in that situation?

>>20910347
OK, definitely buying on monday then. Thanks anon.

>>20909252
WKHS is an interesting exception because it's crabbing at a still substantially elevated level

>>20910340
>300 million
>diversity

>>20910340
If this general had as much autism over any other sector as it does fucking Intel vs. AMD there would be a lot less pink wojack posting

>>20910408
VPN!

Do long expiring options get crushed by IV?

**testing**

>>20910347
>They have an 85% profit margin

Where are you getting these number from, kind sir?

>>20910488
welcome back

>>20910340
>dip
dude if you know your DD in semiconductors then you know shit is forecasted years in the future because everything takes a while to be built, like several years to start mass production on a new foundry.

AMD's dominance is basically guaranteed for the next 3-4 years, and Intel's current CEO has no idea what he's doing too, he should have been sacked together with Murthy. Intel's server market share has only one trend it will follow for the foreseeable future unless they miraculously get Jim Keller back in a vital role. Their balance sheet right now does not matter, bankruptcy is not the concern here.

rather, why are you buying the dip? Price memory bullshit? Banking on the deadcat bounce because you've always had perfect timing?

>>20910488
No i cant hear you

How does my master plan sound?
>sell FSLY after earnings
>sell MSFT Monday morning if it pumps
>put all my money into PSTH/U and just chill for a year and make an easy 100%+ profit

40% in DAL yet I'm pulling 4x the S&P's gains so far..Maybe I'm slightly mad but when your pulling gains like candy why should you care..Imagine the gains when things are all cooking once again. Let the gains and divvies pile up like candy.

>>20910408
I'm saying if you aren't hedging against that happening yet then idk what to tell you. Those assets aren't real without society protecting it, and there are evil forces actively tearing things down and no one seems to want to fight back.

>>20910501
That's operating margin, I was talking about their gross margin. Right now a huge chunk of their expenses is growth like advertising and deploying hardware. But once that's set up the margin is 77% (85% was high)
https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=NET

>>20910340
Been a Ryzen owner since 2017.

>>20910283
You'd have done better at the strip club with that money

>>20910274
Fucking hilarious, trying to drop a meme on RioCan. Also fuck toronto.
t. torontofag

>>20910540
>no one seems to want to fight back
bitcoin?
I just don't trust putting all of my money into wild-swinging crypto.

>>20910615
then you know our real estate prices aren't dipping anytime soon because people are way too eager to jump on any "dip", and the people who can own a house in the first place never lost their job.
heck I bet rent prices are probably not gonna budge even though there aren't going to be an influx of post secondary kids this Fall

>>20910533
33.81% this whole year
In this economy
lol

>>20910694
Yeah it's still going to go up. We're not getting new big cities anytime soon so people will still fight tooth and nail to buy that 800k-1m condo in toronto sadly.

>>20910543
Because they are essentially a “cloud” company, their COGS is understandably minimal.

I don’t see how you expect all those expenses to disappear or even fall astronomically.

Plus their revenue is literally less than $300m a year. Why does it have a market cap of $12bn? Seems purely speculative to me. I don’t get it..

There won't be any working vaccine till sometime in 2021 (a big if at that). Any talk of a fall/winter release is just that,talk. I mean yeah I'd love it if they did. You've basically been handed a gift on a platter. Thank of that company stock once all the side effects come to light. Epic dump. A dude who bagged options would be set for life.

>>20910468
Anyone?

>buy 1k worth of calls for MSFT friday morning
>buy friday evening already made +760$

I really want to put all my life savings in october calls

>>20910721
hey look at it this way. if you have a small position in REITs and it fails, at least real estate prices are more reasonable now. If it keeps going up despite all the shit that's happened, at least your REIT pick is also going back up.

which one is going to fuck you over more because that's going to be the more likely outcome.

Literally 1/3 of the loan to Kodak will go into servicing its old debt. How is it not going to be that Kodak goes bankrupt anyway and has to sell the capex acquisitions it makes to a company that should have gotten this loan in the first place?

>>20910769
Check vega.

>>20910778
Do it, but not for October
January 2022 maybe

>>20910826
what if theres like a nuclear war or somehting lmao

>>20911000
The last of your worries would be Microsoft's stock price

>>20910179
I've had issues with almost every part of the UI, it's disastrous. The support is even worse, literally outsourced indians for 2 tiers, takes up to a week to get connected to a human.
You can't really do SPACs because they charge you $100 per outgoing unit, plus $100 per incoming security (i.e. warrant, stock, stock right -- if all three, that's $300 extra) for splits. You don't get realtime data without paying, and you have to pay piecemeal for every exchange/market. Other brokers give this for free. You only get 15m of bloomberg TV and then you have to pay for it, other brokers give it for free. Fees are low, but there are still fees, unlike in america.
The cheap margin is definitely really nice at least. But they don't do margin calls so prepare to be randomly liquidated (emphasis on randomly, there's no way to select things to be liquidated first, only last, and it's a lottery for what's going when you're out of margin).

>>20909684
Based

>>20911024
what if bill gates gets implicated in an epstein pedo ring in february?

>>20910733
>Plus their revenue is literally less than $300m a year. Why does it have a market cap of $12bn?

Where have you been for the past year. Almost every company in NASDAQ has a P/E of 50. Fucking AAPL has a P/E of 33 right now.

>>20909743
the 1st two are free

im tired of not making money brehs.

>>20909876
>metals
If you're PM I have no idea why you have any fomo. Shits gone fucking parabolic and hasn't even started. We didn't break the highs adjusted for inflation. Record deliveries again. Nice choice on REIT hedge, but I went for cash and dividend aristocrats because I don't know reits too well.

>>20910017
>BRUH. DIVERSIFY.
Into what?
>Put more money into your portfolio for tech shit if you don't wanna touch your REITs/metals position.
Tech has the similar macro pressures to metals with way more downside risk. I mean, APPL/MSFT and cash might be good to add, but I think it's somewhat inappropriate.

GlaxoSmithKline going to spike on Monday? Trump threw money at them Friday

>>20911161
>what if unicorns fart rainbows and government corruption is exposed and punished and congress decides to give more money to the middle class rather than funneling it to the the very top and somewhat to the bottom.

>>20911236
ok u know its not that absurd considering like a former president, vice president and stephen fucking hawking have been implicated right lmao?

Imagine investing in anything other than tech

>>20911041
> out of margin
Sounds like a personal problem. They have every right to clobber your dumb ass

>>20911161
Bill Gates is no longer associated with Microsoft and hasn't been in decades

As someone in their late 20s starting from nothing is there any reason to not go with a Roth IRA over a traditional? Roth seems like the way better deal.

>>20910337
I'll have 2 oz of gold, price would likely skyrocket if the US government went full fascist.

I feel like we're nearing a correction with the USD, precious metals, crypto and tech stocks going up at the same time while the 10-year yield is 0.5%

Further playing around with leveraged product strategies, it appears that:
- VIX (not TVIX, not VNX, plain VIX) is the best hedge around, bar none. The only caveat is that it spikes insanely quickly at the beginning of a freefall and then goes back to normal almost as fast even when stocks are still going down. However it stays positive the whole way.
- Using volatility estimation to avoid making trades in low vola environments (where MA crosses are "random" as opposed to caused by market pressures) significantly improves success rate (markdown is significantly repressed and total returns are increased significantly).
The current best performing LRS variant I have tested so far is as follows:
- Only trade when VNX > 20.
- If we close under 200-VWMA - A * atr, sell hedge and buy TQQQ.
- If we close over 200-VWMA + B * atr, sell TQQQ and buy hedge (I found VIX to work best right now).

A and B are constants that are chosen in advance and fixed in this case. I found A = 2.5, B = 14 to work well. In any case, B should be many times higher than A. The rules literally codify "buy low sell high".

Supposing you started this strategy in 2011, this only fails (stays within 90% of buy and hold value) in the jan-oct 2018 period. Otherwise it consistently stays around 2x of buy and hold overall, and in extreme scenarios like covid (not exclusively, that's also easily observed in the other dumps), it spikes up due to avoiding most of the downtrend. It works consistently well in all the timespans I tried.

Modifying the buy condition to depend on the hedge value rather than the underlying (e.g. QQQ in this case) might actually work even better.

>>20911428
Roth is always better. Tax rates are at the lowest and they're definitely going to go up to pay for all the dumb shit we're doing right now.
If you make too much money to directly contribute to a Roth IRA, you can make a traditional IRA and convert it to Roth.

>>20911428
just do both

>>20911499
Don't listen to this retard he has no idea what he's talking about

>>20910009
I see it more like Trillionaire Robber Barons at the top, Federal Politicians and lesser CEO's and Board Members (positive feedback loop of donations and gov't contracts and other mutual back scratching), literally everyone else fighting for scraps and believing that everything that's wrong is THEIR fault (Dems if they're Reps and vice-versa)

>>20910169
>IDS BRAPPENIN DIS TIME
maybe
Maybe we'll just be divided at home and divided abroad. We can handle some division because of our misguided faith in our election process, China could really be torn apart from within (factions splitting in the CCP).


>We can handle some division because of our misguided faith in our election process
God damn it Trump does he really have to do this again just in case he loses?

>>20911436
PMs are tied to the 10 yr at 0.5%. Crypto too as a more risky but potentially rewarding diversification.
The USD fall and tech gains are what is currently "out of sorts" with the 10 yr.

>>20911499
Don't put any money into a traditional IRA, period.

>>20911465
any time you are plugging constants into anything you need to excavate your head out of your ass

My 1% allocation in shit coins is pumping. What meme stock should I buy with it? Anything around 20 a share? I like buying in stacks of 100.

>>20911428
Roth, no question about it. Unless you make serious money already, I can't see any reason not to.

>>20911180
AAPL is being rerated as a consumer goods company like P&G. Something people will buy unless they're absolutely cutting back expenses to the bare bones and have to go without. Something with subscription revenue that is finally becoming visible.

I really want to buy Cloudflare though... someone talk me into/out of it!!

>>20911465
>Only trade when VNX > 20
Or do you mean VIX?

AHHHHHH I WANT A NEW CAMERA BUT CANT JUSTIFY THE THOUSAND DOLLAR COSTTTT

stocks have ruined my leisure spending

>>20911547
Only for end of year tax write off purposes

movie

>>20911595
VXN is CBOE's QQQ volatility index. I chose TQQQ for these because VNX is available, but there doesn't seem to be an equivalent for, say, SOX.

>>20911436
Sold 50-25% of everything that is up. Feel pretty good about it as I dodged a week of flat-lining and losses. Feeling cute, might buy a shit load of intel on monday.

>>20911606
Always put it into a Roth IRA instead.

>>20911597
what are you going to take pictures of...

>>20911634
I was playing around with a far simpler idea which is to just sell TQQQ when VIX runs above 30. And then buy back in when the underlying, QQQ, runs back above the 200 MA (or VWMA)
I think that method only "misfires" in 2011

>>20911465
>The only caveat is that it spikes insanely quickly at the beginning of a freefall and then goes back to normal

And that you can't just "buy" VIX.

>If we close under 200-VWMA - A * atr
>If we close over 200-VWMA + B * atr

Sorry, what's atr? And can you provide a picture of a hypothetical portfolio value implementing this strategy over your tested time frame from an initial value of 10K?

>>20909466
Yeah, it’s gonna dump all the way from 450 to 440, it’ll be a tragedy.

>>20911597
I do miss the days of reckless spending, I'm actually considering buying facebook stock instead of buying their upcoming VR headset because I know how much pent up demand there is for cheap HMD's at the moment. And I don't think this is just a case of personal bias.

>>20911693
At minimum, the following elements are needed:
- A pair to rotate
- A criterion for rotation
Just selling and doing nothing until it's time to get back in is actually counterproductive unless you can almost perfectly time the top and bottom consistently. If you can't, rotating into something that goes up when the other member of the pair goes down, even if just slightly, greatly increases your gains while reducing the damage done by misrotating (which you don't get when staying in cash -- at that point I found that just b&h is nearly always better).
I'd be very interested if you find a strategy that doesn't have a matched hedge to rotate into and still outperforms b&h.

>ptg so fucking useless they don't even make generals anymore
good. they have literally not been right a single time

>>20911807

I would have thought that crew of degenerates would have kept it up forever. I guess given a finite number of members and a finite collective money supply all of that money is bound to evaporate eventually

>>20911807
I heard of WKHS first on /ptg/ and made money so no they aren’t entirely useless, at least not to me.

Should I put my entire $18,000 account on NET this coming week

>>20911739
>you can't just "buy" VIX.
All the etf's work fine, there's no point in choosing one in particular in the exposition of the strategy.
>what's atr?
Average true range.

Pic rel is what it looks like from march 2011 to today, Numbers are percent.
On a scale of 1 to 10, the likelihood that the current setup is overfit is 7/10.

>>20911848
smg was first on that one at sub $4

>>20911430
>price would likely skyrocket if the US government went full fascist
>fascist

>>20911763
Haven't found the hedge yet. TMF and TLT are going to run out of juice in a few years and honestly if the trend from this point forward is to trash the bond market immediately, cash might actually be the hedged pair. I was planning on looking at this more once individual plays became less attractive. But my idea right now is to go absolutely ham on TQQQ, and play with periods where profits are siphoned off into either municipal or high grade corporate bonds that are ready to be sold when the market crashes.
Just an idea though that I need to backtest properly. I'd like to go as far back as 2000 but that will likely require something wonky like QQQ on margin (and looking up historic margin rates) before TQQQ existed.

>>20911859
I think im buying up on monday. I want to get in at a lower price though. Hoping it doesnt take off right away from anticipation of earnings. Just going to do like 30 shares and see where it goes.

Daily reminder

15 minutes till movie night! Tonight's feature is... I'm not sure! I wanted to show Belladonna of Sadness (1973) but the subtitles are fugged. What should we wotch? The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974)? A Field in England (2013)? Jaws (1975)? 1408 (2007)????
>>20911612
yaya!

>>20911931
if you can't pay for a new car in cash you shouldnt buy it.

>>20911865
use a log scale or something lmao

>>20911859
if by that you mean otm calls on short expiry then yes you should do that immediately

>>20908526
BTC is about to break $12K if it can keep past that resistance for a day I'm putting down $10K. What do you guys think?

>>20911899
Yeah, for now it looks like vola is the way to go (works better than bonds), but they're also very wonky and I'd like something cleaner.
You don't need margin to get arbitrary leverage, you can use deep itm options. No margin rates involved either. Also for this kind of examination, you don't really care about margin rates, that's only of interest to compare what someone who had done that in 2000 would have today, but you want to see what you would get in 2040 if you were to do that today. Not the same.

SHILL ME ON CLOUDFLARE.
WHY SHOULD I BUY IT/STAY THE FUCK AWAY?

>>20911960
So demanding!

>>20911880
Either way it's bullish for gold, r-right?

>>20911865

That's a hell of an interesting result. Are you going to publish the strategy? I've never written strategies for tradingview so I don't know exactly how they're released or otherwise made accessible. It looks like the crash was really what yielded the stratospheric spike at the end.

What's the difference between the brown and green lines?

>>20911955
AFIE is the only one I particularly liked. Everyone likes Jaws. It appeals to their ever-present anxiety that exists within all traders.

>>20911931
First car was a used Honda Civic 2002. Sold it ten years later for half what I originally paid for it despite it having 4x as many miles on it as I started.

>>20912002
I'm hoping it will manifest for me a Loli Shinobu gf

>>20912013
did you ever have sex in the car?

>>20912013
Also insurance is a factor, I pay $35/mo with Allstate.

>>20912024
hope is not an investment strategy...

>>20911955
Have fun!

>>20911955
If you can find "the right stuff" or "a bridge too far" we could watch those
guy movies

>>20912001

Okay, so brown is pure QQQ and green is employing the strategy, I guess.

>>20912002
buying on monday and waiting for earnings to dump. expecting to get a 10%-20% return because im white.

>>20912010
Brown is TQQQ buy and hold from start date. You can see at the beginning of the graph that green is flat, that's because no entrypoint has been found for the strategy (green line) until a while later.
I won't publish the script because it asks me for my phone number. However, source is here:
https://pastebin.com/VvCJN7GC

>>20911982
more upside in dogecoin

>>20912046
Exactly once. I am way too tall for it to be comfortable. Same reason I've only had sex once in a tent.
>>20912047
I paid a little less because I was attached to my father's family account (I still paid my part of it) but that is about what I would expect. Hondas around that time lasted fucking forever until they started putting electronic displays in them

>>20911547
Except to backdoor Roth.

>>20911982
>buys at the top

>>20911982
Not as much upside as the last crypto run, also depends how crypto reacts to the market crash - do people pull out or use it as a store of value.

Oooohhh or maybe The Fog of War (2003), learn how the world really works
>>20912050
We will :3
>>20912053
Those are both like 3 hours long >_<
I do like a Bridge too Far tho, watched that with my dad when I was sick as a kid

>>20911692
my friends and experiences anon

>>20912208
you can use a cell phone camera for that

Movie night movie night! Get in here (and help me choose which moovie we should watch. I'm thinkin Jaws actually for the summer fun

>>20912248
whipping out your phone vs a top tier point and shoot to capture a moment are distinct experiences

What time does crypto usually dip? I should have got in on ETH this morning but thought there was no way it could keep climbing .

>>20912208
My family works in specialty photography and you don't need thousand dollar cameras anymore for most pictures people take. Your phone will work just as well. It's usually just poor picture taking technique more than related to picture taking hardware.

>>20912100
>>20911465
>tfw too stupid to understand such algorithms

>>20912278
Top tier point and shoots don't cost $1000 and suck mad dicks nowadays. DSLR or old (and therefore cheap) film pns or fuck off.

>>20912299
>>20912306
its a film pns

Is O a good REIT?

>>20912302
There isn't much to understand.
If it's a high volatility environment and the price is high, sell. If it's a high volatility environment and the price is low, buy (aka buy low sell high, consistent with reversal to mean thesis). The rest are just implementation details.

>>20912333
Them or MAIN, but GEO is better with retail getting rekt.

>>20912332
Then nevermind, except for the price you're looking at. Good choice anon.

>>20912129
Correct.
But that's why putting any money into a traditional except to backdoor Roth is a horrible idea.

>>20911982
Won't $Mara moon then?

>>20912341
That instantly made it click and easy to understand.
Thank you anonbro.

>>20912332
A $1k film PNS? What?

>>20912166
who is this semen demon

>>20912299
I picked up a Canon 200D for a couple hundred bucks, like $300 I think, and I'm way happier with its photos over even my very new smartphone. Something about them, the depth is just so much more alive from it. From the reviews I researched before going into it and just wanting it for myself not because I thought I was going to become an auteur it's not really surpassed until you start spending $1500 and then you're into Pro category and you better be making money using it.

>>20912398
>who is this

>>20912398
Catherine Wood

>>20912398

Lol, a cartoon

>>20912391
one of these bad boys

>>20912421
Sure. But generally for most of the photos that most amateur photographers take, often times in well lit rooms with clear subjects and calm environments, the advances in phone camera hardware have made it quite moot.
For travel, the big selling point now is smaller cameras that fit into your pocket. Easier to set up shots and reduces the possibility for theft or damage.
Someone who spends more than 1k on a camera is really doing it for the glass attachments or for "challenging environments". The most expensive camera my family has ever purchased was for astralphotography.
It is just generally the case that photographers with good technique can make it work with cheap cameras.

>spent $94 at Walmart on food and other essentials the other day
>could have put that money in the market instead

How do I stop making this mistake?

>>20912548
What you're discussing is the difference between good and good enough.

>>20912576
ngmi anon..

>>20912576
oatmeal, rice, and dog food are the best bang for your buck

yes dog food is gross but you get used to it

>>20912576
I only use the grocery online shopper now and just show up at my appointment, they load my shit in my car, and I leave. Completely free. It stops you from impulse purchases. You look up what you need, put it on your order list, and that's what you'll get. I've saved so much money this way and eat a lot healthier.

>>20912531
If you have your heart set on that, that's on you. I remember a few years ago you could get a Fuji Klasse or one of the 35 mm Leica's for about half the cost and probably indistinguishable for the pictures you want to take.
>>20912622
When I was a kid I developed regular and more esoteric film. Camera technique and training goes so much farther than hardware. And it's been true for ages.

>>20912746
eww gross

>>20912746
You can replace dog food by a mix of organ and non-organ meats. Costs less, better balanced.

>>20912746

I've been eating dog food a lot too and I find condiments like ketchup or hot sauce help take the edge off the sharp taste. I've managed to cut my weekly food expenses down to like $10.

I had no idea this many people eat dog food.

>>20912787
that is a good idea. i might sneak into mcdonalds and snag some ketchup packets tomorrow.

>>20912801
my gf ate cat food as a kid. she grew up extremely poor.

BAKING

The super bull run is here

retards, cat food is better. its basically canned tuna at 1/3 the price

>>20910029
Try not being rarted

DO NOT EAT DOGFOOD WITHOUT DOING RESEARCH. IT CAN CONTAIN BONE THAT HUMANS CANT DIGEST AND WILL HARM YOU

>>20912865
cat food is like 90% filler (usually rice-based).

>>20912865
>>20912834
>>20912801
>>20912818
>>20912787
>>20912765
>>20912746
What's even the point of making it if you're eating dog food along the way?

Can someone please help a poor brainlet

I've been trading call options on TQQQ. Does this have any advantage versus just using QQQ? Will my options make money faster in a triple leveraged ETN like holding a stock would, or am I being stupid?

>>20912960
Beats eating dog food into retirement because you couldn't make it.

NEW

>>20912953
>>20912953
>>20912953
>>20912953

>>20912960
daughterwives on your private island?

>>20912927
>making health investments without doing DD

>>20912865
>>20912931
>>20912927
>>20912834
>>20912801
>>20912787
>>20912766
>>20912746
involved discussion about pros/cons of cat vs dog food
too lazy to read basic definitions/introduction to options
>biz

>>20912979
>>20912994
Cook dried rice and lentils and some occasional greens you subhuman motherfuckers.

>>20913063
That's more expensive than cat/dog food (especially the occasional greens, I mean most of them go for up to $8/kg over here).
Also no joke animal food has better nutritional balance than pure rice and beans (replace rice by any starch that's not potatoes and beans by any similar options, like chickpeas or lentils).