/biz/ - Business & Finance

off topic, you should leave
I recommend >>>/b/

>>20816798
It is a clown world
Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche is a good book

if /make it/ is possible then world not that bad

>>20816798
I don't, that would be depressing.
I want a family.

>>20816827
it's not off topic faggot. we're the only board dedicated to making it and discussing future plans is essential.
>>20816798
I want to get out of this fucking city and live off of the land. My friends and I are seriously discussing starting a commune where we all live with our future tradwives and children. We can raise livestock and grow produce while tradwives homeschool the kids. yes it's hard work but I want to raise kids to work hard and enjoy the fruits of their labor. I don't want them to grow up around what I grew up around. It wasn't a stable or healthy upbringing.

>>20816798
Yes. It is. I grew up in rural Idaho and all I wanted was to move to the city. After spending 5 years in Sydney I will never live in a city again.

>>20817246
I'm apprenticing to become a farmer right now at 35. I want my family to be able to live comfortably im the country whether I make it or not

>>20816798
In some ways the world has gone mad. It's always been nuts to an extent, but it's really gone off the rails recently.

>>20817246
>making it
if you are a shizo >>>/x/ a coomer >>>/r9k/ and for fart huffing faggots >>>/lit/ and >>>/his/
/biz/ is shilling, reverse shilling and frog posting

>>20816798
not all of us are friendless autistic loners.

>>20816798
It didn’t use to be so bad. People were more or less normal and you could have disagreements and still be friends. You know, because getting along is it’s the people in your life was more important than being right and everyone more or less agreed with that. Now everyone is insane, everyone is a snitch, and it just isn’t much fun anymore.

>>20817246
Based.

>>20817287
my buddy is doing the same thing man, he lived in New York City for 27 years and has been talking about it forever and he finally made moves and moved to a farm this season as an apprentice. he told me he already knows he never wants to move back. hopefully I can get him on board with the commune because he should be able to teach us a lot after he's got a few more growing seasons under his belt. He's broke but after I make it I would pay him a good wage and all his expenses to help run the farm

I'm just trying to wageslave and conservatively gamble until I have a big enough USD stack to live in the third world drinking booze and banging hookers until I die. It's honestly the only thing that keeps me going.

>>20816798
because it's shitty. the majority of people in cities live for other people's prepackaged stories. all they aspire to is consuming the next highly marketed streamlined 'artisinal' experience, whether it be food, media, clothing, exercise, or parties. if you have ever lived a life free of that, you immediately feel ill to have to interact with people who have made cities "their" environment. it's like they've been lobotomized and can only react to the most base stimulii.
at least in rural settings you have a chance to find people who are not like this (however there are a lot of worthless rural people, so please don't misunderstand me)

>>20817246
>My friends and I are seriously discussing starting a commune where we all live with our future tradwives and children
You'll be fucking each other's "tradwives" in no more than a year, trust me.

>>20817287
what kind of crops/livestock are you growing by the way?

>>20816798
if you cant get pussy, then yes

>>20817527
is that what happens in small farming communities? everyone is fucking each others wives on the side?

>>20817001
How good?

>>20817710
No, just in communes.

>>20817496
You rural fags are beyond delusional with the horseshit you spew on this site kek. I've lived all over, and the most deprived and depressed losers were always rural fags who would bitch about the "city." They were always lazy, stupid, low IQ, have poor social skills, and overall retards. Stay the fuck in your trailer park and shut the fuck up. You losers have no aspirations, no motivation, no desire to do anything. Fucking losers.

this is why

>>20817793
>doesn't even identify with any one city
>just the idea of "cityness"

>>20816798
>>>/wsg/3564762
i did a cheeky post to /wsg/ as webms on this board cant be posted with sound
>>20817246
you near western canada? would be interested in taking part

>>20816798
Yes. But probably much worse

>>20817778
>t. guy who dried up while his woman rode the commune carousel

>>20817972
>"his" woman
>in an environment where property is communal

>>20816798
>Is the world really that bad?
Yes. Sadly I can't seem to accomplish getting rich.

>>20816827
>reading comprehension
You need it. He's referring to financially making it which is business and finance related, go post some random no name crypto coin thread that I'll ignore like the rest.

Because country living is the fucking best. Running a farm and doing hard physical work then getting home in the evening and chilling knowing that all your labor has been expended for yourself, on your own land, is amazing.
Getting to know the local wildlife beyond "oh there's a bird" and having them all recognise you feels amazing and gives you a sense of place.
There is a naturalness to working with the land that fulfils a deep spiritual need, and there is a freedom to being in a wide open space that does the same. Mentally ill urban screen addicts will never understand.

>>20817915
I'm American. Looking at either Northern New England or the Pacific Northwest

>>20817793
DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big city, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favorite TV SHOWS. you should totally come on down to my studio apartment, it’s got EXPOSED RED BRICK walls and everything, we can crack open a nice hoppy ipa or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on adult swim! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the barcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also an ARCADE like when we were kids, so we can play awesome VIDEO GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the hospital, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our FURBABIES. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this craft beer and pop open another one!!

>>20816798
I don't want to participate in society anymore because honestly, no one wants me here. I live in a city and during the entire BLM protests, there were fireworks going off 24/7. That is enough to tell me that any person who does not have a dark skin color is not wanted in any city. It is what it is, and honestly, I can't even blame them. The more I study about how the country was founded, the more I realize the USA was founded by rich people who were just as corrupt as the kings in England they were trying to escape from. It is all a lie. All the big power players all talked with each other, were all big lawyers, and all propagated a life where class warfare is the standard. All men were not created equal when America was founded, and today it is even more apparent.

The only way to win is to not participate. I wish you all luck. God speed.

>>20818026
I didn't mean a literal communist hippie commune, there's different ways to split work and resources. that's why we're trying to get rich first and looking at this somewhere on the span on 5-8 years. ideally we will be at least somewhat profitable from selling excess meat and produce

>>20818026
>he believed it was all communal when it came to his woman instead of just fucking the other women
You have to establish, like, boundaries, man.

Because none of these faggots know how to interact with the normal world. Just a bunch of neckbeards hoping they make it by throwing a paycheck into shitcoin of the month

>>20816798
I just want to start a legitimate business that requires buying commercial real estate. In order to even start a business like that you need to have made it already. If you've made it already why do you need to waste a bunch of money on a business that till take a decade to pay off? The world is stacked, the boomers own everything and it continues to get more expensive.

>>20818138
Such a fucking accurate millennial description. Thanks for the laugh

>>20817496

This is very true. Moved to NYC from the northern New England and for the most part the lifestyles people aspire to in the city are just sad. Distrusting neighbors and spending out the ass for shit that looks good on insta but sucks in person. There's some greatness hidden away but so many just seem deluded into thinking that polishing off a social media profile makes up for the shit reality of city life. It sucks unless you're rich.

There are some mega dumb fucks in the country but the quality of life achievable if you're not a penniless smoothbrain is top tier.

>>20818408

And good authentic country folk are some of the best out there.

>>20818408
>>20818446
I want to move up to Maine or New Hampshire, hopefully a city slicker like me will be accepted if I try my best to integrate.

>>20817287
Buy Richard Perkins book Regenerative Agriculture. It's not fru fru stuff, it's low capital input high output non monoculture stuff.

>>20817795
Yasssssss queen slayyyyyy

>>20817001
Based.
Reading this right now on my lunch breaks at work.

>>20816798
yes

>>20818138
unironically sounds extremely based

>>20818138
jesus christ,
jesus, fucking,

>>20816798
I think for younger guys, hell a lot of people now, are starting to realize just how frail and barely put together or world really is. This shit is held together with tape and paper clips people. Its a miracle that anything works. You realize that people are just people. That all the things you count on to function in this society rely on people waking up to their alarm clock, getting ready, and heading into work to do a good job. So that way you can have your internet, your coffee, your IV bag next to your hospital bed. Nothing happens on accident and there is no "magic" that make things work. And its all ran by the same drowsy, neglected, sad fucks across the world. Now we see how fragile all of that is and its tempting to run for the hills, live off grid, be self reliant.

>>20817793
This guy imbibes the municipal tap water

>>20817291
Shut up faggot.

>>20819102
>And its all ran by the same drowsy, neglected, sad fucks across the world.

Were things really always this sad, though? Do they have to be so sad? I don't think so.

>>20816798
all i need to make is it 700k usd.
i would literally live like a king.

>>20817903
FAGGOT

It's worse than you could ever know

>>20819299
Nah, I know a lot of really lucky people who LOVE what they do, and they've made good choices with their lives. They're happy.
those are the lucky ones, the ones that get to bargain with their circumstances and carve out a meaning for their life that they're happy with. Some people really are content just working at the local Costco Bakery making cakes and that is "just all" for them.
The world is full of people like that. People satisfied with the deals they've made. It isn't sad unless they feel like they've been screwed out of something...and most of them are, or have been.
Its more sad then ever right now because we've been stagnant and rehashing the same technology for nearly 40 years now. We went from geocities to myspace to facebook. etc. We've been repackaging the same technology over, and over and over with better integration and UIs. How much different is AOL from Snapchat groups, really?
So the people who WANT more, can tell that it is out there but they can't get it. Because we need to innovate. We need to make the tools simpler then they are. And that is EXACTLY what we are doing now with industry and "The fourth Industrial Revolution".

So it won't be bad much longer. For those who want more.

>>20819353
I only need a cool $200k and I'd be set for life. I have a 1 acre property already that has a decent size 8 car warehouse on it. I could renovate it to a large living space for less than $50k and then use the other $150k to make 4 or 5 small 2 bedroom houses on it, rent them out for $1k a month and easily live off the $60k a year. There's already a small farm in the back so I'd be set to grow a few crops. Just live out my days being a small time farmer in a smallish town, tending my flock, which would include a few small families. I don't need a lot to make it and I'm not looking to buy a yacht or private island. Just live a comfy small farm life.

>>20819526
Likewise, anon. I just want enough to own property outright. It would give me the flexibility to work freelance and invest more into skills development instead of needing to grind away at a secure but poorly compensated job every day.
More would be better, obviously, but being realistic, just not having to plow 60% of my take-home pay into rent and utilities would be a massive improvement.

>>20819526
very nice anon,just the fact that you have already planned all that proves you are leagues ahead from other cucks on this board.
i already own a 1 hactares and 300 meters farm that my boomer mom is squatting on,a 173m2 flat in the middle in the city that i could rent out for a nice salary and my mom is planing to sell her 2 properties (about 80.000 usd) and give me to money so i can buy 2 flats to rent out.
so i think if i rent out the farm for 300/month,and the flats for like 400+250+250/month for a total of 1200 usd a month i could live the NEET king life without even working.
inb4 that won't be enough ! : the median salary here is 400 usd.

>>20816798
It's a question of "fuck you" money, once you have that there's really little in the way to limit your mobility. I'd say a nice rural with temperate weather and a nearby airport with a depressed economy would be the best. Somewhere back East. The culture and people are better having tasted some semblance of legitimate adversity, there's more social currency in places where people have actually been hurt, or poor. Cities have a more diverse bent to them so you've got success and poor and all the stigmas attached to classist ideals, the cliques it breeds. whereas in those depressed areas everyone has had the wind taken out of their sails.

Nothing in this world is worth having if you can't share it. I don't envy the ultrawealthy for that fact, the degree of prudence they use and their social leverage is intrinsically damaging to their relations outside their bubble of "made it" friends, which are probably just more of the same backstabbing wretches that they have to deal with outside their direct demographic. It's why I value community and modesty, making it is just the means to amplify my ability to positively impact the world and help teach people to fish.

>>20817793
ahh, the rootless cosmopolitan

>I just want to make enough to buy an island and turn it into an ethno state for white people, powered by wave and solar energies.
>I just want to be able to secure a future for white children, and never have to tear down statues or burn books because of inferior people being intimidated by our proud history

>>20816798
> Is the world really that bad?
yes

>How come everyone here just wants to leave society and become a hermit once they make it?
Urban life is purgatory. It's not how we were meant to live. We're so disconnected from nature and from each other that half the population ends up on some sort of pills just to be able to cope with day to day life, and the other half probably should be but are smart enough to know that the pills just make things worse. The only real solution is to leave this all behind and live a more connected and sustainable lifestyle, closer to nature, closer to our friends and family, in closer-knit communities.

>>20817496
Wife and I are in the process of closing a house in the country. I’m so excited to raise our kids there. The city is cancer. There is no meaning here. Everything feels empty and shallow.

>>20816798
>Is the world really that bad?
yes
>>20819959
good post

>>20819959
based. how would you do this, anon?

>>20820991
If I knew a way I would have already done it. I'm coping with crypto moon fantasies like the rest of you.

>>20816798
Because society left us behind.

>>20820991
>>20821107
But if money was no object I would just buy a very large plot of rural land and develop it into a cozy homestead, get some cows and chickens etc. I would hunt and grow as much of my own food as possible. I'd also offer free land to any of my friends and family who were willing to come help.

>>20816798
Because not only will you be economically free, but you’ll be free from the wretches of society. No longer will you have to deal with inane bullshit from normies, work, etc. you’ll only have to deal with survival.

>highly marketed streamlined 'artisinal' experience
Kek

you anons are cowards. dont run away from (((them))). stay and fight.

>>20821640
nah, that's a jew's game in the city

>>20816798
Because they're cowards that don't know what they want to do with their lives. You literally don't need any money. If you want refuge in some remote corner of the world, the last fucking thing that will get you there is a stack of pajeetcoins.

>>20817083
gay

>>20816798
I don't want to leave society, I want to make society better.

I don't want to participate in a society that doesn't value my labor, hates me for being white, and wants to remove my constitutional rights

>>20821640
Have you ever lived in the city? I mean like the real city, not an over crowded suburb. We're talking tweakers and crack addicts asking you for cash, and when you tell them no, they ask if you can follow them to a nearby restaurant so you can use your card. Then when you tell them no again, they go to a corner and literally shit on the side walk. Have you ever had a bunch of minority children screaming outside your house at 6 AM because their single mother locked them out of the apartment because she was tired of them screaming inside. Have you ever had a bunch of Somali immigrants fill their trash can and then leave 15 other bags lying on the curb because they have 4 families living in a 2 bedroom apartment? Have you ever had that trash strewn all across the street because homeless people rip open the bags looking for trash to sell and then just leave it. Do you know what it's like to have to bring a knife or a firearm with you just to go on a 3 AM walk with your dog because you could get robbed in your own neighborhood? Fuck off retard. White flight exists for a reason, and it has nothing to do with racism.

>>20821894
property, shelter, tools, and weaponry are not cheap. i want to build a place where my friends and family can come to escape their troubles.

>>20821640
What >>20821695 said, you're fighting on (((their))) turf in the city, and you're dependent on (((their))) infrastructure and surrounded by endless hordes of (((their))) orcs and goblinos. Better to be out away from that and self sufficient, let them eat themselves when Atlas finally shrugs and the clown world (((they've))) built finally honks itself.

>>20817795
Wow if that is truly her she is Satan.

>>20822067
Christ, that's all entirely too familiar. I need to get out of this hellhole.