/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>20416630

>"they paid a BTC lightning invoice, so cross-chain swaps of assets on different networks should be super easy! :)"

>Stakenet is the FUTURE
get dumped on by another yankee scam faggots

>>20416757
The Raiden devs are quite impressed and the whole DeFi market is posing off XSN more and more as of late.
Unless you stop posting in this thread, you admit that you're magnetized by XSN and you just can't resist talking about it.

>>20416876

>doing the Lord's work

Fed up seeing these niggers trying to shill this scam, tech don't even work

>>20416936
>>20416876
>>20416757
You forgot to switch your IP, Ska.

>>20416876
>>20416936

>click
>forgot to change IP retard

Ahahahhahahahhahahahahahahaha

>>20417048
Funny thing about sociopaths.
They think they're so cunning and above everyone else mentally. It always, always blows up in their face.
True alphas are direct and cut through all the shape-shifting. There's no need to not be straightforward.

>>20416876
He deleted it but I got it lol

>fuck you

>>20417048
>see pic

>>20417179
>post 4 times from the same IP fudding XSN and talking to yourself
>take a screenshot of it
>delete the post
>FUD yourself
Are you degenerating?

>>20417338
Some weird shit going on there.

>>20417482
I think we're watching the meltdown of a sociopath or the birth of a schizo.

>>20417179
Are you okay anon?

It's funny watching this from the sidelines the past two weeks. I dunno what happened today, but I don't think it warrants 11 threads in 24 hours.

Anyways, if you disregard all the technical info, which is way over my head. But it's quite convincing looking at the history of LTC etc.

1MN is not a make it stack. The fees on the platform are one of the highest in the defi market, if not *the*highest*. So that will have to come down to 0.1%. At least. Probably 0.05%. That makes 1MN not a make it stack, for anyone who lives in a first world country. Having tried the beta. Normans aren't going to use the lighting channel rental. They just aren't. People don't even know what the fuck it is, never mind having to rent a channel to trade with. However, if this recent monero news is correct and xsn might be able to integrate xmr/btc --> erc20 then you could have some good volume with that. I wouldn't say groundbreaking volume. But some at least. From a money making perspective, I just can't see how staking coins / having a MN makes anyone make it, unless you have 10+ MN and get out while the trading fee is 0.2% and the volume is 500M daily. That's a hell of an ask. Considering it's not in phase 3 yet, when the MN get the rewards.

Most anons are priced out from 10 masternodes. I'm all in Link, so I wouldn't risk trading them for XSN when link is going through a bullrun just now, and the XSN coin isn't proving to be a money maker unless you have fucking loads of it.

Just my 2c.

>>20417758
1 MN should be a generous make it stack.
For the convenience of having access to 20+ exchanges from one non-custodial wallet and no-KYC, the tiny fees are negligible.
That's where it has the potential to attract and produce a lot of volume in itself.

>>20417871
Yes I've seen the picture. But, the fee is just too high. I'll give you 0.25% or whatever it is up until 20M daily volume. Then you'd need to lower it, because 90% of trading volume on CEX comes from whales. And these whales aren't afraid of KYC or anything like that, cause they're worth multiple millions. That 0.2% is going down, no questions asked. Also the number of master nodes. Isn't the supply infinite? In the archives there's a number 7000 max being thrown around, but from looking in the discord the admins haven't said that at all. It's infinite, and that's the point of hydra. To be a global network that's too difficult to take down. I love the idea, I really do. Hell and back I'll even use the exchange if it means I don't need to deal with stupid gas fees. But I'm trying to be a realist, those numbers are false.

>>20418005
Wait where did you get .25%? The graph is going off of .2% and, if anything, it would imply 2 trades executed at .1% (one from the buyer, one from the seller)

>>20417871
comfy pic
i want to buy mcdoubles with my mn rewards

>>20418321
Well then isn't it 0.1% for every completed trade then. So 0.1%x2 for a completed trade between anons. There's 50000 trades per day, so (0.1%x2)x50000

Then the formula becomes, (volume / (0.1%x2)xdaily amount of trades) x0.9 x Masternode count. That would make more money than is actually flowing lol

>>20417758
>>20417871
>>20418005
>>20418321
With a single MN, I wouldn't have to work any more off of a measly $60mil trading volume, which is UNQUESTIONABLY foreseeable.
Look at Uniswap - it normally sits around $30mil daily volume.
Assuming we get that doubled with the addition of other blockchains, especially with BTC being added, I don't think we can take anyone seriously if they sit here and pretend that isn't "making it" for most people.

Granted, this is why I have two right now and am aiming for at least a third before Raiden really arrives.

With all of that being said, anyone suggesting that XSN won't break in to the $500mil MC range is fooling themselves and, frankly, if the chart that we're more or less discussing is wrong by a huge 20%, I STILL DON'T HAVE TO WORK ANYMORE OFF OF A SINGLE MASTERNODE.

In short, people like VBPBjUvY are entirely out of their element.
Suggesting that such small affects to the price will uncover detriment we haven't foreseen is just ludicrous at this point.
Even if the chart in question is off by roughly 30% in terms of daily rewards, just about everyone who owns a MN will not have to wage slave any longer after we break out to $500mil.
With that being said, is there anyone out there actually deluding themselves in to believing that $500mil isn't achievable? Think about how many shitcoins sit in the top 25.
Should we really be taking people saying that this isn't possible seriously?

FUCKING SCAM ahhhh hahahahah

You twats are going to realize when you are stuck with the big bags mates, fucking LOL

>>20419086
THE SHEER DELUSION

>>20418005
First of all, I like your input.

Re that 7000 MNs number: That's assuming every single XSN there is would be used for MNs. That will never happen, because then one person staking would get every staking reward there is. It's self balancing, so there will always be lots of people staking and lots of people who couldn't afford a MN anyway. At this point one Mn is already a little less than 3k$. Poorfags are already having a hard time getting at least one MN. Some are priced out already. With prices going further up, less and less people will be able to afford a MN, so that number will go into saturation. I guess we won't see a lot more than 3000

>>20416876
LOL nice reverse shilling mate

>>20418005
Anon, coins get burned as well. Some goes to MN holders, some goes to the treasury, some go to all who stake for block rewards and some gets burned.
Yes, things will get inflated, but normies are going to get entirely priced out with a simple 5x. If they're not actually "priced out", then we're talking normies putting their life savings in to a single MN, which, pretty much no one beyond the autists infrequently (anymore) visiting this place will have the audacity to make that leap of faith.
When that happens, the burn alone will secure the amount of MN.
Then, once we get in to the only-wales department for MN holding, the vast majority will look to realize gains and just choose to live a much more secure life that is absent the potential risk of just holding a MN for the next few decades.

I'll admit - this is genuinely the best FUD I've seen on XSN so far!
However, you're not thinking far enough down the road. Smart money that exists outside of our little play pen will inevitably see the burn, see the value of MNs after we moon, assess it from a more professional standpoint than the vast majority of us are capable of achieving, and realize that they should be buying property once the housing market dips.

This type of thinking you're displaying, although it benefits you in a preliminary sense, limits you after a certain point. People that are so rich will only stay in for MNs until it burns down to a certain point.
Yes, some will recognize how simple it will be to just grab another MN if/when we breach the $1bil level and especially the $5bil level, but there's a certain point where having six MNs won't be quite as simple as just cashing out and buying a private island...

Seeing past the numbers would benefit you.
My apologies for taking so long to get to the point.

>>20419238
How does gaslighting benefit you?
The price has already fallen, anon. Now is your chance!
Don't squander it this time.

>>20419086
Bidesk just launched last year and it has $820m in trading volume today.
Mostly all of it in Tether pairs.
Guess who wants to support LN? USDT.
Add to that, ERC-20 support for USDC.
And LN BTC and wBTC all in one place.

>>20419307
>TLDR
>probably a scam

>>20419341
>Imagine wanting to put your assets in the hands of a chink, russian or pajeet, or murrican for that matter, and then be subject to whatever whims they might have.
NOT EVEN ONCE.

>>20416630

I'm sure it'll be integrated into orion protocol soon, which is of course the highest honor possible. XSN is bullish as fuck!

>>20419427
I honestly didn't expect Bidesk to have that much trading volume. I was expecting $50 million.
As a 10 MN whale, it's a surprising kind of comfy.

How do I send my XSN to the Core Wallet? I don't see a wallet address to send them

>>20419492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM_8WuJL67Q
Ur welcome

>>20419341
Anon, we could asses the simplicity of adding LTC's daily volume, which is a very easy thing to do, considering XSN helped them build their LN, and see that it has a bit over $1bil daily volume.
If we take a mere fraction of LTC's daily volume and transport that to XSN's DEX, we get something like $130mil daily volume...

We don't even need to add in all of the other things you've mentioned; we can see the obviousness of combining LTC and XSN, considering they ALREADY WORK TOGETHER, and we've ALREADY eclipsed the minuscule cope these delusional retards are suggesting could be our ceiling.

These people simply cannot analyze this situation like those of us with eyes to see can.
This is why they will get priced out. This is why they cope so hard that every day they come here and make ridiculous attempts at cracking consensus about this "being a scam", like >>20419388 is desperately attempting to do.

For anyone paying attention, please understand what Neural-Linguistic Programming is.
This anon is, feebly, I might add, attempting to anchor "SCAM" to XSN.
This is laughable at best...

>>20419491
Enjoy your private island, anon.

>>20419307
>but there's a certain point where having six MNs won't be quite as simple as just cashing out and buying a private island

What do you mean by that?
What's gonna happen?

>>20419086
>at 60M trading volume

Well then you live in a shit ass place. That's terrible, and also don't think that anything in crypto can come at the drop of a hat. Don't rely on long term passive income from crypto my dude. You set a price limit and you get out. Who the fuck know's what's going to happen tomorrow.

>>20419265
I kind of agree. Say this launches and gains traction and goes full Dash mode. Fair enough, you might make it if you don't hodl the 60k for a node and get good passive income, but you're relying on normies coming here. Normies opening up a lighting channel and swapping btc for eth. Fuck me man, I speak to people at my work that don't even know what 'An ethereum' is, never mind what a fucking DEX is. People don't want to go through all that shit. I know that's just something that will have to happen with BTC -> other blockchains, but still it's off putting. Honestly I don't see BTC being in the top 5 in 5 years time, and LTC won't even be in the top 20. Didn't it just record it's lowest every daily trading volume?

I, we, you, could have listened to the anons who posted about aave 6 months ago and I would genuinely hodl that because I think it will be top 5, and that token doesn't have a use case as of yet.

>>20419578
>Literally proves it's a scam

Tbh I'm just bored of waiting so I'm shit posting for fun

>>20419578
Intelligent post.
XSN's scope is so vast it's easy to get lost in.

>>20419491
>Bidesk
Honestly I just assumed it was shit, perhaps it's good. I have no idea.

>>20419548
Thanks bro

The fact is that they wil delay shit with Raiden.. so you will prolly have the probability to buy 1 MN for 10 cents

By the way with Raiden it should 1 billion per day of daily transaction

>>20419693
Once it burns so far down and once we have so many MNs already taken (meaning, few people want to sell because MNs are so lucrative) and once the price is so high, people will stop just using the MN for passive income, because they see the lifespan of the project preceding the value that they could theoretically obtain by just holding/staking and milking the system.
In doing this comparison, we can see that simply exiting with a few million RIGHT NOW is a more conservative exchange than holding for a few years and milking it for about the same amount of money.

To make it simpler: let's say someone can cash out 3 MNs for roughly $2mil.
If someone does an analysis of the benefits one could gain, they could see that the longer the project is alive, the more risk their passive income could accrue - meaning that if they plan to hold it for five years to make that same $2mil they could have in their pocket right now, many will see that it's much less risky to just take the bulk cash and run because there's a chance complications could arise, in, say, 4 years, when they haven't fulfilled the full amount they plan to extract from the project overall.

Projects only last for so long and we cannot expect BTC's lifespan to translate to other projects, therefore, if someone could have $2mil RIGHT NOW instead of waiting for 5 years to accrue the same amount, many will examine the risks involved in planning to hold for 5 years and conclude that they'd rather have the $2mil right now instead of risking the project collapsing or being usurped by the time that they'd make that same amount of money passively.

Sorry this is so verbose. Hopefully you get the idea.

>>20419735
>You set a price limit and you get out. Who the fuck know's what's going to happen tomorrow.
Thank you for helping me explain to these guys why what you've said is completely retarded.

>>20419878
No, thd team said the exchange will not put off the launch and wait for raiden integration to be complete.

>>20419878
Would you prefer a launch with just LN pairs or a launch with full Raiden interop too?

Sorry anons, I was only fudding to lower price

>>20419915
Except that when you hold your MN you not only get to cash out the lump sum at the end, you also get all the rewards inbetween.

>>20419915
>Thank you for helping me explain to these guys why what you've said is completely retarded.

That's a bit mean matey. I've yet to be proven otherwise from any 'node staking' that passive is better for more than a year of hype. Sure, if it could hit consistently say 100k a year for 5 years, well yeah maybe we'd make it. Highly doubt it though, and it seems that a lot of people aren't buying. Where's the FOMO buying MN numbers at a time. It's all 50-200XSN at a time. There's a lot of people on here recently made a fuck ton of money with Link, myself included, if they were convinced of this being another shot at adding to a Link stack and being fuck you money. I'm sure you would see multiple MN purchases at market prices. Not just the 3 that got the pump. But still, I'm interested and will continue to follow, cause I'm not priced out.

>>20420009
Exactly!
Now you understand the risks of both avenues of profiting from XSN.
Those of us who understand the plastic nature of this project's potential will be able to reap the benefits, whereas brainlets who only look at the surface will cash out early once they see they have a MN worth $400k.

Obviously, we can't expect the lifespan of the project to be grandiose in comparison to most projects, but it's clear this one is a fervent game-changer.

>>20420126
Livecoin isn't the only place to track exchanges of XSN, first off.
Secondly, one of the main focuses of XSN is the DEX.
Just because you don't see huge movements on Livecoin doesn't mean this isn't being exchanged.

Even then, we're still in the VERY early adoption phase.
We're all supposed to be accumulating right now.
The whales have given us all an extremely generous opportunity right now to further accumulate.
I wouldn't miss this opportunity.

>>20420126
The paper thin sell walls, given enough exposure, should propel XSN much higher than anything we've seen.
If you have the money to spare a few MNs, by all means keep an eye out.
This collab with the Raiden devs who, from what I've heard have tested the DEX and are quite impressed, is rather fresh.
We've barely gotten exposure among BTC, ETH, and LTC diehards let alone the greater crypto community.
These recent developments could potentially change that fast.
That said, I wish you well with your LINK gains and hope your entry into XSN is graceful.

>>20420233
Again, people will only want to buy a masternode if the reward is decent. The trading fee is subject to change, and there's been no proof of volume. Or any of the other dApp revenue they suggest.

There comes the balance. Either they reduce the fees to get the top players in, with the agg tech this could be good. However the top players don't want to pay high fees. So you have to lower it. Then the MN rewards aren't lucrative, couple that with the fact you don't even need XSN to trade on the platform.

I'm all for it, I really am. But thinking long term I don't see how the /biz/ narrative of 1MN is a make it stack. I'll give you 10MN is make it money within 5 years if all goes well on launch and they get trades. But not one man.

>>20419735
I totally get your point about the normies. I think the same. Stakenet thinks the same, too. During the beta testing I asked exactly about this because I felt it's WAY to difficult for normies. Then they explained that it's all going to be automated.
Normies will be able to DL the client from web or an app store, open it, wait for it to do the magic on its own (opening channels, renting channels, syncing) and when it's done, they can start using it like they're used to from Binance and others. By the way only for the first setup of the channels it'll take longer due to block times. After that it's just 15 seconds and you can keep those channels open for how long you want (or leave that to the auto pilot completely). You will be able to move your balance on- and off-chain with a slider, that's how easy it'll be. It's going to be the napster for crypto. So it'll be very normie-friendly. They will be able to open it, use it, close it whenever they like. Without the hassle of kyc'ing

>>20420372

We need some stronger FUD for this shit. The legal fud was pretty good. Can someone post it? I really need this to drop down to 1000 sats so I can afford 1 more MN

>>20420372
Maybe our disagreement is a semantic one.
When I say "make it", I mean no longer having to wage slave, at least for the next five to ten years.

Again, this is why I have two and am planning for a third and also why I would encourage anyone reading to do the same.

>>20420455
checked
Also, I don't exactly think people have paid much attention to the devs.
This must be where all of the confusion is coming from. If you've been following this thing closely, you know full well that they intend to make this as normie-friendly as possible.

>>20420455
Not just that there will be a simple Swap UI for normies too so just put what you got in, select what you want. It will tell you what you will get, click and done instantly.

>>20420455
Thanks, at least someone is thinking outside the box. For this to be the defacto dex platform, it has to be normie friendly. Again this is why AAVE is so popular. Maybe a dApp like AAVE with just a click function would be good also, because I genuinely think 90% of normans don't want to trade, they just want to swap.

>>20420535
Yeah well we need to change the picture. Cause making it, is lambo land. It's 1MN after tax and has been since 2016. I'm not even after that anymore, I want fuck you money. Now if this takes off, that chad with 60 masternodes will be seriously fuck you money. he accoomed over the past 2 years and has done well. I'll not bash on at that too much, since at least the MN reward pic is a picture of the mcdonalds wojak and we don't wanna wageslave.

So like I said, 10MN is make it, lambo land, within the next 5 years if all goes well and the platform gets a lot of volume and normies thinking it's like the piratebay (or napster, jesus you're old eh) of cyrpto. 1MN is 'freedom from mcdonalds slavery'. Kinda link 1K link is 1MN. 10k link is make it.

>>20416630
I used the the dex and even in its current state I cannot see the value of XSN going bellow 5 dollars when this launches.
Considering the price of entry right now, even if you dont get MNs you can expect a crazy bullrun.
Probably the best investment right now

>>20420535
Their intent has been something along the lines of becoming "the Apple of DEXs" for some time.
>>20420534
Uhhh
China's gonna ban Bitcoin?

>>20420534
Too late bro, I was waiting for it to drop to 0.17 but I had to buy back at .01750 and its at 0.18 already
0.17 was the hard floor

>>20420969
i think the anon referred to the "doing trades for people without KYC is ilegal" fud.
So: how will the DEVs manage to mirror all the trades with their (own?) kyc'ed accounts on the major exchanges if volume on the DEX blows up?

>>20420761
In the end we're all just speculating. If the estimate of $1B volume comes true, and assuming the dex rewards work as promised, and the masternode count reaches 4000 (not ideal, admittedly) you'll be making $1B * 0.001 / 4000 = 250$ a day. A somewhat conservative estimate considering what they want to achieve, taking into account the lower fees. I'd say that's enough fuck you money for someone who really just wanted to stop wage slaving. Add another node to that and you'll be richer than most.

I'd say considering what they are trying to achieve, $1B volume seems reasonable enough of a dream to allow us to dream. And even then. At half of that you'd still be making a very good salary, off of one mn.

>Kinda link 1K link is 1MN
And that is just a weird assumption. Do you seriously believe one link will be worth 15 times more one XSN in the future considering everything they are trying to achieve?

>>20421078
I've been trying to look into this also. Their liquidity partners as of much, must have a fuck ton of money. And it's only going to be on the pairs they launch, hence the COMP/USDT/LTC/BTC etc. That's totally fine, I don't doubt for a second these guys have people with 500BTC in their pocket ready to make that investment go up. The problem will come, like you said, when (if) this blows up. Those liquidity partners will run out of money, and we will have to rely on the dex orderbook being enough. Or they release this aggregator plug in, which will allow anyone to fill orders on CEX accounts.

The latter I assume is their endgame. The more CEX account plugs, the more liquidity, the better. If the order isn't filled from the agg (the liquidity partner) it stays on the dex orderbook till it's filled iirc. This could create a problem for people looking for large stack swings. They might see that their order sat on there for more than a few minutes and didn't sell/buy.. Therefore putting them off for future trades.

But hey ho, I'm a brainlet what do I know.

>>20421195
>do you really believe
Well yeah, I'm not selling my stinky linkies until it's more than 1k per link and at that point I'd be worth so much I wouldn't know what to do with myself.

If this could make me enter a new realm of status level, I'll take it. I'll market buy 10MN as soon as I know it's going to happen.

>>20419578
thank you for expressing what is trapped inside my head never able to be set free due to me being retarded at words

>>20421356
Once Raiden is more streamlined, you will be able to trustlessly host a MN from cold storage and receive fees directly in LINK.

>>20421265
Of it blows us then the orderbooks would be filled naturally and they won’t need the aggregator. Aggregator is just there to fill in gaps of liquidity at launch while user base is low

>>20421265
If the DEX blows up they won’t need the aggregator as the orderbook would be filled naturally. The aggregator is just there to fill gaps in liquidity while user base is low, as it becomes more and more popular the less they need to rely on the aggregator.

>>20421683
>>20421839
cookin spagetthi together? :D

>>20417758
>>20418005
>>20419058
>>20419735
>>20420126
>>20420372
>>20420761
>>20421265
I'll give you this. Your concern fudding is much better and sounds more genuine than most of the fud lately, good job.
>But hey ho, I'm a brainlet what do I know.
And yes, you're a brainlet. You're being very oh-so concerned about stuff which could just as well turn out very well in the end, and most likely is not nearly as bad as you try to make it out to be. You seem stuck in a state of analysis paralysis, trying to find "concerns" where there in actuality most likely are none, and even if there were, the price would moon before then, making everyone here a return on their investment, making all of your concern speculating moot as of now.

In short, you really don't know neither what is going on right now, or what is going to work or not in the future.

>at least someone is thinking outside the box
You're really not though, your stuck in this box which you have created out of concern, trying whatever little bit you can muster to grasp at straws. Not to mention the semantics regarding what it means to "make it". You think you know what people want and don't want, but you're really just guessing, making other people second guess if they've made the right investment or not.

You're a prime example of a good concern fudder, good job for making me read through the whole of your essay.

>>20419086
>>20419307
>>20419578
>>20419915
>>20420233
>>20420535
What the fuck anon, i didn‘t read any of those, but you seriously should try having sex, jesus

>>20421900
more like spaghetto
checked

>>20421997
i have engaged in intercourse and i own 10 mns

>>20421997
XSN will hit $100 anon

>>20422220
based

>>20421908
In the end what you have to ask yourself is:

> Is the team actively working towards achieving an incredible vision?
Check
> Does the team have a lot to show for it? Check
> If it works, does it have the potential to carve out a big chunk of the target market?
Check
> Is it being extremely shilled and fudded on /biz/ lately?
Check
> Does the planned architecture possibly solve some of the largest problems in the industry?
Check
>Are they creating something unique and useful which no one else is currently trying to do?
Check
> Is the sentiment for this project good?
Check
> Does holding XSN benefit you as a holder?
Check
> Is the potential for this to moon high?
Check

Ask yourself this. What other project is actively working towards carving out one of the largest chunks of the existing market in a radical and possibly completely disruptive way, and actually have a functional product to show for it? Both in regards to the crypto market, but also to the world of finance as we know it? No, we don't know if they will succeed, or if it will be as profitable as we would've hoped, but that goes for essentially ALL of the other crypto projects out there. As of right now, this is without question one of the most unique and interesting projects out there, and you'd be dumb to not at least put some money into it without extremely good reasons.

1 MN here as of today. Bought the low of 17 but this shit isn’t liquid so got the remained around 18/19.

>>20420951
How close is dex to launch? will raiden be in the launch?

>>20423286
Nice. I bought at .27 unfortunately but I'm not selling.

>>20423298
Draper said in the discord that it's closer to 1 month than 6. They haven't set an actual date yet. Raiden integration is not required to be complete before dex release but if it's ready in time, they will add it. If not, it will just come after the dex has launched.

>>20423987

>>20423987
>>20424054
Kek
Imagine if this really does pull an Ethereum

NOOOOOOO I MISSED THE DIP
THIS IS NOT FAIR

>>20424333
I'd have to start a new life i think

What exchanges can I get XSN from?

>>20424666
Livecoin, or you could go the cool way and get into the dex beta and buy from livecoin through that, at lightning speeds.

>>20423114
solid points, all around.
XSN has a tenacity and ambition unlike anything I've really seen in crypto in my 4 years in it.
>>20423286
>>20423339
welcome. how long do you intend to hold?
>>20423655
>>20424333
>>20424666
>>20424688
checked.
raiden is already working and now it comes down to a little more streamlining and normie polishing.
livecoin works fine but they do have short withdraw wait times when you first sign up

>>20420126
Wont the target audience for stakenet be high volume traders and not the normie at your work who doesn’t know Ethereum? If you are using him as a metric what investment is actually going to succeed.
What percent of all crypto transactions are done by high volume traders and people running a program vs casual investors? Is is from the former that the Dex will get its volume.

>>20416876
Look at me mom, I got a new fren. :)
He is chatting with me here on biz and has the same ip even.

DOH!!!

Moooooom!!!!
Stop trying to be my first fren.
I wonna try find one on my own.
I'm 38yo old now.
Just cuz I still live with you does not mean I want you breathing over my shoulder all the time.

Jeeez Mom!

>>20424867
I'd say both, especially if it can be streamlined enough to be iOS-tier friendly.
It's already much less of a hassle not having to register any accounts and owning the wallets you trade from so you don't have to worry about sending funds back and forth from private wallets to ones you don't own.
>>20424950
kek

HAHAHAHAHA

LOOK AT ALL THE XSN SCAMTARD FAGGOTS

YANKEE SCAM!!! GET SCAMMED NIGGERS!

>>20425495
you literally poke wieners

I know it hurts that Soros/antifa thugs can't control this project. Go and look for psychiatric care if you're running low on fentanyl you low life. Xsn to the moon!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>20424867

Dude normies know eth man. Everyone will gravitate towards this dex.

>>20426152
Slappy, up there said something about his normie buddy and Eth.

>>20425971
ABSOLUTELY BASED.

>>20421557
this makes me hard

>>20426936
Seriously if Bidesk does almost $1 bln in daily volume in a so-so market, imagine how far this can go.

>>20425971
>>20426152
based

>>20427379
3 MN and very comfy

>>20421195
250 a day is where you become "middle class" in most of America, and I'm sure not everyone will stop working, just stop wagecucking. Plus, it's 500 over the weekends, which most don't work

>>20427780
Yeah, even at $200/day that's about $73k/year
$140/day is median income around $50k

>>20427780
Yeah, I mean honestly I'd be happy if I can get $30~ a day all considered. That'd still be a great additiom to your regular wage.

Is the Status of the mnaas supposed to be "Not Initialized" when you first start? I've just set it up

>>20428112
It can take quite a while for it to get initialized, has taken all of mine about a night each with many "expired" attempts.

>>20428143
So all I have to do is wait now right? The process seemed simple enough. I'm just nervous about losing all of my stakies somehow

>>20427962
$73k/year is not middle class....you are still kinda poor running on that

XSN niggers so delusional gtfo with your scamcoin

>>20428214
$73k/year in passive income? Ill take it

>>20428211
Encrypt your wallet and use the backup feature in the settings tab, put your backup on another hard drive and usb memory, hide it. You can't lose your xsn unless you send it to the wrong address or delete your wallet.dat file, or it gets stolen by hackers/thieves stealing your shit (hence the usb). Also, the wallet file might get corrupted if you're really unlucky, so once again keep a backup. Your xsn is always in your complete control, even when staking or using it as collateral for a masternode. You can even delete your masternode whenever you wish, and just redo the steps in the guide without risk of losing your coins. But well, don't do that.

>>20428211
And yeah, you should get an e-mail telling you that your mn "requires a new restart". At that point it should turn on when you start it up.

I'm a brainlet and can't find the fee structure. So let me get this straight - ~9 XSN every day and half for MN right? How are dex fees deposited? will XSN be the 'currency' of fees like BNB?

I remember reading something about getting BTC fees? so as a node owner would i also provide an address to deposit BTC into?

>>20428143
Expired attempts is cuz u did something wrong, like starting your node in core wallet before the server turned yellow and ready on the cloud

>>20428507
CCPoS will allow you to receive XSN rewards in BTC

>>20428683
Ohh really? I had no idea, good to know.

>>20428507
A MN gets a reward every 30h or so from top of my head.
All fees gets converted into XSN and bought off the order book which puts buy pressure on XSN.

>>20428715
Yes.. The cloud shows a red server signal while it tries to render you a server.
If you start the node from core, then it will try connect with a server that is not ready and after some time it stops trying.
That's why it says expired. One needs to wait for a yellow light before moving on to the core.
This can take from 10min to a few hours.
Normally about 20min for mine.

>>20428818
Makes sense, thanks.

>>20428706
>>20428727
I see. I gotta save up for a MN then. In my country 50/day is more than i make already

>>20429158
Time your buys wisely, anon. Make it.

>>20423114
Based and going to make it

Very nice stuff.

>>20429875
>>20430002
XSN chads are truly tenacious.
We've only just scratched the surface of what's to come.

>>20421908
The delusion of pure distilled COPE right here.

Oh Fuck. Skadoosh is sucking some major dick again.

>>20430112
Not an argument

>>20430112
>>20430179
>>20430253
Kek. Here we go again, I guess.

>>20428214
Only brainlets scoff at $73k/year.
How in the hell are you at all successful in this sphere without KNOWING you're capable of an extremely comfortable lifestyle with just $73k/year?

You realize the vast majority of us are poorfags, correct?
You realize that the vast majority of anons who came here were poorfags prior to having made it, correct?

Again, not having to wage anymore IS MAKING IT, you brainlets.

>>20421997
kek
you probably should, though

I'm gonna make it, aren't I,

>>20431444
checked
It depends on what you mean by "make it", but you won't have to wage anymore after Hydra and Raiden are fully deployed, if that's what you mean.

>>20431374
This

>>20431374
its either delusion or spoiled rich kids that turn their nose up at 73k/yr

>>20431675
That's awfully based of you.

>>20423987
Raiden won't take as long as you're suggesting. On the roadmap it's already 50% done. Not to mention
>"so as it is right now, send ETH/ERC20 to Raiden client, this secures your assets as it has your PK. After that our wallet does the rest by communicating with the raiden client so everything shows up in your wallet as you would expect it too and trade just the same as what it already is. Once PK management for ETH/ERC20 is native in our wallet then the rest can be integrated and will not need a separate raiden client as it will be all in one."

>>20431675
Is the xsn truly aware?

We're gonna fucking make it.

>>20431870
It's been a week and they're already up to 50%?
Wasn't it 35% last week?
I guess they're picking up the pace.
Very interesting.

>>20432508
It's been at 35% for longer than that. They don't update the roadmap that regularly.

Raiden won't take them too long to finish. Probs get it before the end of august.

>>20432540
Here I thought Raiden would come after Hydra...
Holy shit. We have a lot less time than any of us think.

>>20432615
Current order is, DEX release, raiden, stage 2 and then hydra. Time zones would be, release (0-2months), raiden (0.5-3), then im not sure how long stage 1/2/3 will take,

>>20431374
Not buying your scamcoin