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I can't explain it. I just try to ignore it

Whats the P/E now like 2300?
I'm sure it will break 2k Monday and 5k Friday cause why not

>>20259839
>>20260198
when it crashes its gonna be insane. people will be jumping from buildings

>>20260198

The P/E has always been 8 but sideways because Tesla has never had a profitable year.

>>20259839
TSLA will be 20kUSD by end of 2029

>>20260268
Tesla will crash down to 50 before years end and suicides will be streamed live

It'll reach 3k easily before that, I am already getting ready to buy, it am believer now

>>20259839
i did some god gamer adjustments and survived a short call going 35x against me AMA

>>20259839
>be me
>buy 1450 1460 1480 1500 1550 1600 and 1700 strike calls today
>only made 1650

Why? Because I've been burned to shit on Friday exp options only about 1000 times, about half of those on TSLA. I normally only trade for a quick 100% or so and bounce because they can flip around and go to zero in minutes. I also had to dig myself out of a $3000 hole this morning, so there's that....

>>20260657
I should mention TSLA has bagged me 40k this year already. First 15k on the Feb run. And then a solid 5k back in april. Another 6k in may, and then 15k last week. So, I'm a little risk averse as we approach these levels. Don't want to push my luck

>>20260508
>TSLA will crash down to $50 before years end
>It’ll easily reach 3k - I’m getting ready to buy
>I’m a believer now
AAAA-Hahaaahahahaha!!!!

>tesla still isn't in the S&P 500
>most americans myself included literally have zero exposure to tesla and made nothing off the pump of a lifetime

is that the reason (((they))) are pumping this so hard? because only the elite and a few autistic memers own shares and the middle class is priced out?

they must be getting it nice and fat for the s&p entry so they can dump it at ease and leave middle class america holding the bag

Who the fuck spends 50k to buy some generic average looking car?

>>20260791
It's a battery tech company now, cars are just a byproduct of that

>>20259839

Do Tesla calls just pin the strike with the highest open interest?

hello this is irrational exuberance

You see, by the time TESLA breaks 20k, we’ll be in a completely different world. Almost overnight, by the end of another decade - 2030. Much like ARPANET permanently changing life between 1999 and 2010. STARLINK direct 5G. NEURALINK Neural Networks. TESLA CyberCycles, TRON ELITE editions outfitted with custom payloads. New Police Forces. AAXN FACE ID and Multi-Layered, Blockchain-Based National Identifications. ChainLink tagging all data. Drones of all sizes and shapes. Self-Executing Smart Contracts running on proven, immutable Blockchains that innovated and solved the many mathematical problems from chains before them. To reign in this this technology. And or all running on their own God-Modded and Private versions of ETHEREUM. This world is changed forever, already. All ready. Are you ready?

>>20260657
I mess around with same day expiring SPY options sometimes. It keeps me from sports betting but feels just as degenerate desu.

My paper trading account grew on webull

>>20260830
Actually AI. You think cars can just drive themselves?

>>20260268
which will be able to buy you a civic

>>20260198
i dont think tesla has a p/e yet, well at least a positive one

>>20259839
How tf were they at .24 today

remember all the retards at ~250$ last year screaming

>duuuude tesla sucks! short it!
>d-d-duuuude elon musk cant lead a company! its all bogus numbers! the company is gonna go bankrupt!

meanwhile the stock is at over 1500 us dollar ahahahahahaa where are the stupid wannabe incel daytraders now? got another smart tweet about tesla? maybe about how you got margin called on your position cause you suck? ahahahahahahhaha

>>20262597
Remember there was no meme virus last year and no one gave a single fuck about this autist robotic idiot trying to waste money to go to a barren planet

>>20260657
please guide me senpai I want to acquire that knowledge to operate fast and safely on x2 or nothing operations

Elon is paid shilling WSB every single day. How could his stock go down with JPOW printing too. Impossible to go tits up until cyber shit truck comes out as poop.

>>20260605
How did you adjust?
t. Have a short call and feeling the stress

>>20260198
I would fly over to the US and suck Musk's nuts if that happened.

>>20260219

>>20260219
Kek

>>20264672
>(estimated)

>>20260219
no, the buildings will accelerate past them into the sky and people will remain floating in the void

>>20259839
>Stock is overpriced @700 dollars -Tesla Musk

>Haha shorters will eat my shorts @1300 dollars -Elon Nikola

>>20259839
I wish I kept my stock at $700 instead of selling at 1000.
No way I'm buying back in now.
I'll just have to watch it go to 5k before it crashes. It'll be agonizing

>>20259839
these are very low probability moves, basically gambling. you would need to lose a lot before making these gains

>>20259839
What is this? U can bet what it hits? Where?
I'm such a scrub, didn't even know what futures were until last month.

>>20261343
When is AI genociding """them"""?

>>20265072
don't even bother, it's gambling. You would have <1% chance of making 20x in a single day. It happens here and there though but you would be bankrupt before catching those moves.

It's actually not that complex. Tesla is a company with first mover advantage generating now reasonable sales in a segment no one was interested before. However the market mainly driven by retail investors is valuing tsla as if it had conquered the market share in the bev segment. OEMs will push into BEV massively in the next years and cause a major correction in Tsla stock price. Eg alone Bmw's bev pipeline starting 2020/21 will make a model 3 look like chinese toystuff + all the major software gimmicks are available (over the air updates...)
I work as analyst at major oem, and i don't even think tesla is a bad company or sth, they will simply be facing competition the first time in the coming years.

>>20265348
>they will simply be facing competition the first time in the coming years.
this. just wait till the traditional auto manufacturers catch up and offer much better cars than tesla which are pieces of shit. I would buy a BEV from Toyota/Honda rather than Tesla any day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4CFiuR3tQ

>>20264988
I lost $20k on tsla options this week, it tanked Wednesday or Thursday and fucked me. Stupid manipulative faggots

>>20265756
Exactly. As soon as driving electric will be normal, the customer will judge rationally again. At the moment tesla still got enthusiastic customers thinking they belong to a progressive species clapping hands for eachother. Service, quality and reliability will become relevant when the hype cooled off. This will take place from 2021 on. Perfect time to sell at ath.

>>20266415
>Service, quality and reliability will become relevant
so go all in on toyota?

I love how everyone here is talking fundamentals, ratios and 'the future' when there are really only two things that are driving up the price atm:
>market gamma exposure
>TSLA potentially joining the S&P (and index funds/ETFs will have to buy the shares)
tl;dr: algos

>>20264777
you're not alarmed by 19Q4? it's almost identical to 20Q1 in terms of Tesla sales

>>20260830
>It's a battery tech company now
I've got Panasonics B2B phone number as well, can I be a 'battery tech co.' now too?
Elon is one almighty chancer, I'll give him that.

>>20264672
>>20264777

>>20264672
>no model 3

>>20266563
This really gets the noggin' joggin'

>>20266522
>etron
>1.7k in March
So about half of the Q1 "estimate" here: >>20264672


>model 3
>1k in March
lmao, that's a good third of the Q1 estimate here: >>20264672
which doesn't mention the model 3

See what I mean?

Low how tesla issued shares at what, $900? The company itself thought it was retarded as fuck. Now is $1500. TSLA is the pets.com of this big tech bubble.

>>20266615
Tesla is just losing its market share. It's going to fail hard pretty soon. Model 3 cannibalized Model S and X sales (while still losing market share overall) and they are considerably cheaper than them. Tesla just went up because their competitors were just pathetic in the EV market. Tesla has nothing to do against the big brands in Europe, who are improving greatly on their EV's and make high quality cars, while also being protected by the government on the upcoming crisis (where nobody will be willing to spend 40.000€ on a "cheap" Tesla)

>>20264672
Well the etron is not great desu, but at least it is a halfway decent car and not an assortment of hardly fitting plastic parts around a chassis with 90s oem technology creating a meme toy car.

>>20267415
>Tesla is just losing its market share.
That's not how it works.
It's still selling more and more cars and gobbling up ICE market share.
Nobody ever said they would always be the only real EV seller.

>>20267860
you can be selling moar! cars and still losing (the growing EV) market share. The point above about Tesla being fucked in Yurope is especially valid. Tesla has no range to cater for a wider market segment than fanbois, just concept vaporware bullshit.

>>20267908
>you can be selling moar! cars and still losing (the growing EV) market share.
Again, nobody ever said or expected Tesla to remain the only big EV seller.
So saying "they're losing EV market share" is nonsensical.

What matters is overall vehicle market share, where it's very obvious that Tesla keeps gobbling up ICE market share.

>The point above about Tesla being fucked in Yurope is especially valid.
>Tesla has no range to cater for a wider market segment than fanbois, just concept vaporware bullshit.
You're absolutely retarded.
See pic.

Tesla outsold everyone in Europe.

>>20267908
>>20267978
>See pic.

>>20267992
>September 2019
anon, wtf
pull up some fucking recent stats, or sell electric cherrypickers instead. Your good at that, cherrypicking.

>>20260775

Tesla is not in the S&P 500 because TESLA is not making money. It's that simple.
If Tesla has 12 month's of profit they might get included.

Bad idea to just go long on 2000 dollar calls a year out from now?

>>20264913

Buying at 700 was retarded, selling at 1000 was smart. Tesla is gonna crash to nothing at some point and many people will get burned, just be happy you got out with some money.

>>20259839
Can you explain the lingo to me? What does 0.24 mean?
t. zoomer

>>20268023
Early 2020 is obviously fucked for everyone because of corona, although EVs did gain a lot of market share over ICE.
And 2020 was already covered itt, fagwad.

Anyway, pic related is 2020 until May.

>>20268097
>until May.
April

>>20268097
nigga, we were discussing Europe.
The land where EV total market share just doubled or whatever. NOW, where is Tesla on this list? Want a lend of a pair of binoculars to find them?
Again, when Murican market expands, you are going to see EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM as indicated here. Tesla doesn't have anything that can compete in the $30k segment, because Elon. This being slightly problematic, as its the most car sales. And in Yurope, BMW/Audi/whoever will additionally start whupping their ass in the $40-$70k segment(s) when they get their shit together. tldr, they fucked.
>>20268036
>Tesla is not in the S&P 500 because TESLA is not making money.
FACTS! KILL THE FANBOIS

>>20268256
>nigga, we were discussing Europe.
That list is for Europe.

https://insideevs.com/news/425824/europe-plugin-car-sales-april-2020/

lmao

>>20267978
Did you even read the guys post? Tesla dominating a market segment completely ignored by OEMs. They can sell more cars, they couldn't even produce as much as traditional OEMs will pump into Bev segment in coming years. And i have to assume they will do that in a way that covers at least their costs.

WILL THE NUMBER BE ABOVE 2K IN A YEAR?

>>20268311
>Tesla dominating a market segment completely ignored by OEMs.
Yeah, OEMs don't care about the fact that Tesla completely assraped them in mid-tier luxury sedan sales lmao.
They just ignored it haha.

>>20268295
nigga, puleese.
Yurope, most recent.
Tired of losing yet?

>>20268329
try 4 months

>>20268358
>Tired of losing yet?
How cute that you turn this into a personal thing.

According to my source, the Model 3 was outselling the Zoe and the eGolf by late April.
And the Zoe and eGolf aren't in the same class as the Model 3 in terms of price and especially range.

>>20268354
I managed to find a more contemporary chart for you (even from a tesla fanpage)

>>20268354
>caring this much about a beta mobile
Congrats you absolute homo

>>20268529
That chart includes all "luxury cars".
The Model 3 beat the living snot out of all comparable luxury sedans from the big brands.

>>20268545
>10 posts by that id

Good post anon, wow.
gj

>>20259839
i bought the 180/ tesla share dip last year, juggled with it for months. then was out when it peaked 900, followed by covid crash, i re-bought $25k at 600/share. work has been good so ive decided to hold. ive been working 6 day of 14 hrs and havent check tesla price for 2 weeks, damnnn we mooning boys.

I'm a believer in 3k/share sometime next year. Elon has proven himself and i think the market is holding up better than anyone expected. So when covid is over, government passes another stimulus + infrastructure bill. America is gonna boom.

>>20268632
forgot to add, when i bought the 180/share dip last year, juggled it, i sold all at 550/share, lil before the 900 peak or 950.

>>20268565
Well, let's not argue about charts, of course they are different in any segment and year. As stated above, i don't think tesla is especially bad at building cars, also traditional french and italian carmakers have the same warranty issues as reported for s and m3, my intention was to make clear that tesla is extremely overvalued. Their car making skills are mediocre and best and serve as constant ridicule inside car companies. I can tell you because i work for one. As soon as there are honest pushes into the bev sector, it will become hard for tesla. Still i assume they will be around for longer, i would't discuss that.

>>20268661
>my intention was to make clear that tesla is extremely overvalued
Why do you care?

And valuation isn't about tangible merit right now, it's a lot more about future prospects.
The car industry had been an giant atrophying piece of shit before Tesla shook things up in a big way.

Sadly I don't have access to options on Tesla but else I would strongly consider taking a short position on it. This valuation has no basis in reality and it will come down.

>>20268722
Lol a giant atrophying piece of shit? Really. As i don't want to exchange random charts with you again, i just leave you with your opinion. Go long tesla and buy an m3, doesn't really make sense to discuss with emotionally biased fanboys.

>>20268848
>emotionally biased fanboys.
Says the faggot whose fee-fees tell him Tesla is "overvalued".

>>20268837
>i will short when momentum is up and the upward trend is clearly strong

you wouldnt be the smartest person to short tsla and loose money, steve eisman lost a boatload of cash.

wakeup nigger. fundamentals dont matte in the short - medium term. this isn't the 1950's.

>>20268985
>fundamentals dont matter

>>20268926
>>20268926
Well your chart would indicate an even higher exaggeration in teslas share price as their business environment would stagnate (which isn't really the case if you only knew that cars are also sold outside your homecountry usa). Statistics are no good tools for idiots.

>>20268985

>upward trend

That has never stopped a bubble from popping

>>20269047
>their business environment would stagnate
What?

one more profitable quarter and it goes in the S&P500

>deliveries DOWN YoY
>stock up 5x

bubble