/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>19794025
UX/UI is not a real job. Deciding where buttons on a screen should go is not a real profession.
Prove me wrong.

>>19794050
Sure, what do you do?

Copypasta coming through

-USS Liberty
-Lavon affair
-IDF undercover during 1956 Hungarian revolution
-Jewish beliefs are bent on ruling the world
-Epstein and his assosciates (Coincedentally elites too)
-Weinstein
-Hollywood communism (and is funnily enough jewish too!)
-Bible calls the jewish synagogue the synagogue of Satan directly
-The jews killed jesus
-Israel receives bipartisan support from the US government (and has been receiving pretty much since its creation in the 40’s)
-2% of population, 6% of congress
-2% of population, 40% of billionaires
-1% of population, 75% of slave owners (19th century)
-Bipartisan anti-anti-semitism bill in the house last year
-Wooden doors
-75 year cash cow
-Israeli trucks bringing refugees from south america lol
-George Soros in general
-Spontaneous Syrian civil war
-Subsequent US support against Assad’s government
-The porn industry (coincedentally one of Hitler’s main points in Mein Kampf in the 1920’s)
-Literal ethnostate (its racist if white people do it tho lol)
-Bombing palestinians (it’s Israel now fuckers)
-Building nukes
-Did not sign biological weapons convention
-Developing vaccine for the coronavirus before it came out

pardon me its all just coincidences

>>19794059
I'm a software engineer.

>>19794095
Perfect, I was hoping so. Otherwise anything else would prove utter retardation and ignorance. I'm in the middle of a call while someone is presenting so I have time to kill.

Not sure where you work. Maybe you work at a massive company where they focus on implementing very small features, and you could do it as well without needing a cycle of some UX team doing something you could have easily knocked out (i.e. just putting buttons on a screen). I've worked with tons of engineers that are capable of that. I've also worked with tons of engineers who just want to do the bare minimum and move on, who cannot fucking inspect an InVision or Figma, and throw whatever they want on the screen without consideration. It looks sloppy and shitty. It breaks the model, because they didn't consider it. And it has implications that snowball. This happens all the time.

What you don't actually see (and maybe you haven't worked with a real UX team), is the discussion of the requirements, what it entails, the numerous questions that come up, prototyping different variations of addressing a problem.

I guess for me, I've worked with start ups where we have to move blazingly fast and design entire platforms from front to back. There are lots of engineers I've worked with that are smart and have great ideas. Similarly, there are others that just want to be told what to do, and not do the thinking that has to occur.

Also, there are tons of engineers that don't write requirements, or are very vague, and haven't thought through everything.

Most of my time is actually spent figuring out the logic itself, before designing, so I can give a deliverable and say here you go, just do it exactly like this, we've already permuted this out and this is our recommendation. When you don't think this out, you have problems. So, where exactly in this process is just placing buttons on a screen?

>>19794226
Yeah I'm not reading that post mate

>>19794327
kek well I tried to prove you wrong but I guess you didn't want to hear it. I'm pretty sure this thread will 404 with no other responses, but it was worth a shot

>>19794327
Low iq

>>19794226
The dev puts the buttons on the screen to the eternal surprise of the UX folks because this is the first they’ve hear of any new features. They then move the buttons around for two weeks, ask for better tools for moving buttons around live in the app, and finally decide on a place for the buttons that is the same as where the dev put them. Then UI discovers that the new buttons break the esthetic balance and start moving them, changing colors, etc until they lose most usability but look pretty, which is what customers are really after.
Once upon a time this was all followed by QA finding all the bugs this process inevitably leads to, but those were the old days, these days the bugs will be fixed two years later IF there’s enough user uproar and maybe a few tech magazine articles about your bug.
It’s great.

>>19794592

Yeah man, I need to get a job like where you work, where all I have to do is decide where to put buttons. I've been designing analytics platforms, ITSM, APM, and other platforms front to back and this shit gets exhausting having to figure everything out. If all I have to do is battle with some 4chinner type engineer over button placement, then i've made it out of the trenches. Shit sounds comfy as fuck.
> but those were the old days, these days the bugs will be fixed two years later IF there’s enough user uproar

kek true. not enough time, get back to fixing bugs goy

No business actually needs ux "specialists"

>>19794050
>UX/UI is not a real job. Deciding where buttons on a screen should go is not a real profession.
>Prove me wrong.
UI provides automatic confidence (high quality = company has money = not a scam) and brings in customers (getting them to give you their info and sign up). UX ensures no frustration (pleasant experience), less tech support calls, and alternatively could be used for scamming people with dark patterns (billing them for a year, instead of a month, hard to cancel, etc)

>>19794095
>I'm a software engineer.
No one trusts programmer art and design and without good design no one is going to bother interacting with your software, unless your software is genuinely one of a kind and you have no competition. Yet you can sell a shitty ebook and shitty products with good design.

>>19794327
fag

>>19794050
>>19794327
>>19794772
>>19794095
Case in point for anyone retarded to take his bait. Who the fuck would give their money to the app on the right.

This. Programmer art and design is dog shit 100% of the time.