/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>19735796
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>19735796
Good by american economy, we barely knew ya.

Retard here, what's this mean?

Anyone else /guaranteed future elite/ all in on crypto/silver?

>>19736237
Pump

>>19735796
You know this economy is about to take a fucking nosedive when Fed starts buying corporate bonds.

>>19736308
it literally should be buying corporate bonds
it should NOT be buying government bonds

>>19736237
doomtards predicting doom

>>19736237
The fed needs to get the money it printed into circulation, so, it's buying corporate bonds. Nobody really knows what it means for the future though, so, you aren't any more of a retard than the next guy.

>>19735796
tell it to me straight, niggers
how can I make money off of this?
also is this the end of America?

Is it normal to fap 3 times a week?

>>19736382
>be less poor
>get money
That's the long and short of this, it's just a quick way around the CARES act restrictions on executive pay and buybacks

>>19736366
Non american here, why cant fed just give it citizens like they did it with stimulus check. The inflation rate is way below the target, so why not just give trillions to consumers to consoom?

>>19736429
Because they've got corporates just how they like them, they don;t want to train up a new set of corporates

>>19736237
It means they are brazenly looting the US economy because we are a country of retarded children

>>19735796
are corporate bonds like stocks?

>>19736237
Everyone going to dogpile into the market because bonds are basically gonna become worthless.

>>19736237
stocks only go up

>>19735796
>Faggot doomers will compare this to some stupid greek/roman market shit in the past
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL DOOMERTRANNIES WILL GET BTFO ONCE AGAIN

>>19736484
They are tradable loans that companies take. The companies don't have any cash flow so no one wants to give them loans, but the gov will buy bad loans now so it's open season.

>>19736533
Who is doing that? If anything this is very Japanese move. Next the Fed is going to start buying ETFs and common stock and we might as well kill ourselves because we're as cucked and garbage as Japan.

>>19736581
>w-w-we'll become like japan!
Fucking kek, keep fantasizing retard

>>19736237

They will exchange corpotate bonds for paper. It spreads the risk over the system further

>>19736429
If they give out any more money to labor people wont work and businesses will start collapsing . Labor market is super fucked right now and the government is forced to step in to save businesses.

Love all the doomer hate, most of these faggots that question doomers dont remember the systemic failure of out financial systems. It could literally crumble if things get bad enough.

And with this move from the FEd were well on our to being a totally socialist sociy

>>19736237
>Retard here, what's this mean?

Corporate socialism where the rich never lose, and rugged individualistic capitalism for the rest of us where we pay for the corporate socialism with inflation taking away our buying power.

>>19735796
Oh shit. Full clown world. Which stonks u think they gonna prop up? S&P shit prolly.

Christ, just let bad businesses fail.

>>19735796
America, Fuck YEAH!

>>19736581
Just by SPY and get it over with. U know they want to.

>>19735796
Is there a rut etf?

>>19735796
srs question, why is this bad?

>>19737862

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArwFjifEY-4

>>19737917

They’re printing cash to prop up failing businesses. It’s super anti competition and hurts purchasing power to boot

>>19736237
It means in essence the Fed is going to use its money cheat code to create a bunch of money, then it's going to lend that money to corporations to do whatever they want with it. To explain it in simple terms, pretend you were playing a real time strategy game on a team, a 4v4 match. The Fed is one of the people on the team, but all they can do is use a cheat code to create money. So that's all they do. They then take that money and give it to their teammates who then spam out any and all sorts of crazy buildings and units because they don't give a fuck since it's unlimited money. Your opponents are everyone else in the world including you and me. They may eventually just quit, but until they do, they all get to sit in this match and get absolutely fucking styled on by this seemingly invincible team. We're all hoping they get nailed for cheating, but unfortunately as it turns out, the guy entering the cheat code is the creator of the game.

>>19737917
Look up zombie corporations.

In a healthy market, shitty companies fail and efficient ones succeed. In this clown market, shitty companies will be kept afloat, the rich get richer, and for everyone else our material quality of life will decline while we bicker about black trans disabled rights.

>>19736411
rookie numbers

>>19737979
>for everyone else our material quality of life will decline
*unless you start playing their games and throw money into the stock market NOW

>>19737917

The jist of it it is when times are bad, the poors/middleclass will pay for it so that the rich won't have to. our government is printing trillions for big business and the average person only got 1,200$ one time.

It's Austrian economics and austerity for regular people, but modern monetary theory that only benefits connected people with friends in the government but where everyone else pays for it. It's pure corruption from both a left-wing AND right-wing economic perspective.

>>19737953
>hurts purchasing power to boot
Not really. The cost of consumer goods is so far removed from the cost of assets nowadays. Our purchasing power has barely moved a tick in either direction over the last decade as assets like equities and real estate completely balloon from all the pump.

>>19736237
>Retard here
It's not only you. It's also most of your replies and OP. I am always genuinely surprised on how financially and economically illiterate /biz/ - BUSINESS AND FINANCE is.
All it means is FED is increasing liquidity because banks are having liquidity issues and we're also having deflationary issues during the world economical state because everyone is buying up the dollar as safety due to it being world reserves. So it's literally the best time to print more money and do QE while saving the economy. The retards with no finance or economic understanding here are complaining we're gonna own monopoly money cause LE MONEY PRINTER BRRR.

>>19738048

Could flash result in hyper inflation at any point even if it’s a sleeping dog right now. I think we have benefitted a lot from mass foreign investment in the USD

>>19738060

It's this reasoning that's why the stock market is completely unrelated to the real economy right now. The feds aren't helping anyone except the rich upper-class. You either let free market capitalism let businesses fail, or you help companies and regular people, but whats going on is neither. the fed is helping buisnesses and only businesses. The fed bailed out the cruise line industry and many of those guys don't even pay taxes in the US.

>>19738060
>deflationary issues
>cost of food at the grocery stores skyrocketing

>>19736429
Because their goal is to save their real constituents (corporate interests), and it's much more effective to just give them the money directly

>>19738150
some kind of retard you are that thinks only "rich upper class" can buy stocks

>>19736237
complete corporate socialism

>>19735796
This has literally been priced in for months.

>>19738226

Most people don't own stock, and most people that do own stocks only own a small fraction of what the upper class do. And the fed isn't bailing out the adverage investor either.

Fucking do your homework you goddamn TEENAGER.

>>19738060
What happens when the crisis is over, foreign currencies move out of the dollar, but the US is still left with all the extra money flowing around?

>>19738060
You call others ignorant while writing this?

Dude, get the fuck out of here

>>19738172
>not measuring inflation with magazine subscriptions and smartphones
you just dont understand economics

>>19738226
Compared to the actual upper class your miniscule portfolio is practically non-existant yes.

>>19738367
Foreign entities are already dumping the dollar, that fucking idiot you read most likely work related to the government or is an ignorant corporatist himself.
Yes there is a demand 4 us dollar and China has a couple billions to dump on the market, they're seeing the writing on the wall that Americans are either completely illiterate when it comes to money or are totally amoral and don't care for long term consequences if they can get one last pump.

The market is always right and just because you hold nukes it means you can write your item logic, the American dollar is getting churned in to literal confetti

>>19736237
It literally says in the title dumbass. Money is being printed by the government to save individual companies. This is the last step before they just start buying stocks

>>19738530
Just translate the title so idiots can understand

America is printing money to buy zombie corporation's debt

>>19738559

You can also say it like this, the government is buying their bags.

>>19736342
ya nothing to see here right? Retard.

>>19736429

They hate the poor dirty masses, don't give the stupid filthy peasants money.

>>19736411
Yes.

>>19736411
You need to get those numbers up anon

>>19736581
>USA = Japan

Hey retard, dollar is reserve currency. Also, have you compared the pop pyramid in Japan vs USA?

>>19736237

New ATHs every day forever. Buy all the stocks you can get and you'll be on the right side of the wealth transfer until they're rolled over into a new currency.

>>19737976
Underrated rtschad

>>19738470
Isn't that how they do it though? They don't include things like housing,
education, or medical costs.

>>19738226
You're in a room with another person. There are 100 Happy Coins in the room as well. One person has 99 Happy Coins, you have 1 Happy Coin. Who do you think is being bailed out when the owner of the room comes in and bails out Happy Coin.

>>19737976

>>19738732
>dollar is reserve currency
I'd guess they have 10 years max left. the exorbitant privilege will end. The USD will be debased & the japs will still be the world's largest creditor. The US has the world's largest debt, EVER.
SDRs will step up to the WRC plate.

>>19739142
>SDR
>WRC
wtf are those

hyperinflation is confirmed
if you havent hopped on the train be ready to be priced out of every asset for the rest of eternity

>>19736382
>how can I make money off of this?
Pump incoming
>also is this the end of America?
yep, the USD is going to become too powerful in an ocean of shit. 70% of contracts are denominated in USD. There isn't enough dollars for it to be used for transactions & a safe haven asset. Once burgers lose the ability to be the world's central bank.

>>19739199
Have a read of the below first.
Though Triffin's dilemma, SDRs came along as the solution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma#:~:text=The%20Triffin%20dilemma%20or%20Triffin,serve%20as%20global%20reserve%20currencies.
>SDR
Special Drawing Rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_drawing_rights
>WRC
World Reserve Currency

>>19737976
We gotta out-micro them to win this

>>19735796

>>19737976
Then why not join the winning team? I am assuming being a shareholder is part of the cheating team?

>>19736429
oy vey you can't give money to the goyim that's antisemitic
be grateful that you got 2k stupid goy
>>19736382
Front run the fed or buy whatever the fed buys
But you should just drop out of the game and go all in on PMs and crypto, money printing isn't a free ride

>>19735796
do other countries do this or just the US?

>>19739448
Why would you even bother saving that? The market is fucked but not that way.

Soooo....is silver and gold still a good play?

>>19738048
Check shadowstats, even normalfag boomer finance media is telling that consumer prices have gone up much more than official CPI
You can find articles on places like Marketwatch

>>19738516
lol retard
euro is about to fail, smart money in europe and elsewhere is buying usd
there is in fact a shortage of dollars, hence the printing

>>19738015
It sounds like that but it doesn't really work, back in the stagflation era stocks didn't quite save you from inflation, in other countries that went through hyperinflation like Venezuela and Zimbabwe you still lost a lot of money
Even in places less fucked like Mexico and most Latin American countries in the 80s stocks didn't save you from hyperinflation

>>19739508
yes.
probably one of the only assets not part of the bubble
though the bubble may go on for another 10 years metals are a very slow mover and the system is not going to collapse easily

>>19738060
>I am always genuinely surprised on how financially and economically illiterate /biz/ - BUSINESS AND FINANCE is.
I'm surprised that you're surprised. Besides being pol-lite and r9k-lite, biz is really just a mecca of degenerate gamblers. Every other thread is some form of "muh jews" or "muh chinks" or a picture of a big fat butt on the OP.

>>19736342
kike spotted.

>>19739354
BTC solves this, it’s even better than SDR cause you have no supranational bullshit entities and people can buy and sell for whatever they want

>>19739816
>BTC solves this
kek, no shit but you can wish in one hand & shit in the other. see which one fills up first.
The ppl in power remain in power because they control the creation of money (even at a local level). BTC will never be anything more than what it currently is, a private reserve currency, along with gold.

>>19739540
>though the bubble may go on for another 10 years
Yikes, well I'll keep it at 5oz of silver a paycheck in that case.

>>19739996
still means it could still 50x before being valued as gold, and gold itself will moon if the monetary system would fall

>>19736237
it means markets aren't real

mike maloney and peter schiff will tell you it didn't have to be this way but as long as their are foreign autocrats it was inevitable

how much of the zany shit they're doing is outside of the scope of the federal reserve act?

>>19740447
don't you mean how much of the zionist shit?

>>19737976
Another option is to shoot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK80WzEO8sE

>>19739469
literally throw everything in the DOW and NASDAQ and go with the wave

>>19740036
itll add up mate no need to rush into PMs but its important to hold some as insurance
although the further we get into this the more likely the moon mission gets
if we have one more big crash including all assets going down due to margin calls such as what happened in march id put 5-10% in silver on the spot if you have no PMs already

>>19738193
This. You can always bet on cronyism.

>>19740566
will 4k in silver, 2k in gold, and 1.5k in crypto make it?

>>19738226
lol
there are banks and investment/hedge funds that move billions by the day, retail investors are non influent in the market

>>19740645
>>>this

its okay anon, the other anon has delusions of wealth and thinks he qualifies as top 10% with 90k income

>>19738226
Sorry only 9 digit portfolios can play this game.

Come back when you got some numbers kid

Honestly would have preferred a bailout to this shit. At least then Congress would have forced these shitty companies to follow some standard of responsible practice. Now they get free money with literally no repercussions to fix the behavior that got them into this mess in the first place.

>>19736237
literal unironical direct market socialism but not for you, for (((them)))

>>19737976
>not cheesing them early on

>>19737794
Fpbp

>>19736484
Bonds are debt that a company owes to bondholders. Stock (equities) are ownership of the company itself.

>Government takes measures to make sure that the economy does NOT crash.
>Idiots who watched some YouTube videos or read some rants on 4channel: They're going to crash the economy!

>>19735796
2008 Housing market
Now Corporate bond market bubble...

>>19741418
Yeah, it's obvious how healthy markets are when bankrupt companies can sell equity and the market takes the equity

>>19741461
That's just the stock market doing what it always does. The stock market is not the economy.

>>19741572
The stock market is part of the economy, specially when the fed props up asset prices through money printing

Bet against the debt, become your own central bank. Hold hard assets.

>>19738015
I think the counter to this argument from what I've heard from the Keynesian types is that the world demand for the USD is practically insatiable and will absorb the QE

>>19741751
corporations will be in debt to the jew in return for a pump, better put more blacks holding hands with whites in that shampoo commercial goyim.
They have had absolute control of the economy for a long time, now they want control of your emotions. better breed out the strong.
If you are strong, send an email to jakemalon590 gmail if you want to do something about it

>>19742132
>markets go back to normal after their 2nd wave
>so much extra usd
>????
>inflation

>>19742215
contacting this guy is literally how you begin talking to a cult leader from 4chinz and commit mass murder

>>19742230
Look I'm with you, I think the U.S. economy deserves what is (hypothetically?) coming its way. My portfolio is literally nothing but gold/silver mining stocks, physical PMs, etc. but to be frank I'm starting to feel cheated by this whole system. Every time I'm convinced by opinion leaders that the Fed and the gov't are backed into a fiscal corner and a crash is looming, they come up with some new magical way to prop things up. I'm not completely convinced that they won't keep the charade going until after I'm dead and I'll still be holding my fuckin PMs waiting for a moonshot. I just don't know what to think anymore.

So where are the nigger riots, plagues or natural disasters that are going to cover this particular wealth transfer up?

>>19742272
but this isn't 'new' its just more QE. They have no more ammon in their guns(IR are 0), so they're just doing even more aggressive QE. It might've taken 5yrs to reach the point where the fed would need to buy corporate bonds if the corona didn't happen.

Now it is happening only a month after their last QE effort(which was an unprecedented amt). I don't know anon but this time feels different :'(

>>19736237
It means more money for bidding on any resource, commodity or really anything via the supply change. A well intentioned person might think this will make everything cheaper, but I assure you not 1 cent of this free money will be put towards the charity of the consumer.

>>19738367
>when the crisis is over,
it wont be over until until the corrupt us money system is ended

>>19739540
The 2030 crisis will be the real one. It will bring real life changing consequences for the west. The 2020s is the last decade of something called liberal Capitalism. After this, many necessaries for daily living economical sector will become State owned, because they won't be profitable anymore. Energy, water distribution, roads, health (partly) will become State owned. Economical sectors not profitable anymore, but who are not important will simply collapse and disappear. Entertainment, tourism, restaurants. It is possible that most of the west will become a ghost town in 15 years.

>>19742321
Like I said I'm with you on this, but watch next they will go negative with interest rates, cap bond rates and print more which foreign countries will absorb or something... idk I mean look at Japan they have been a zombie economy for decades and I don't see why we would supernova instead of just following in their footsteps. My literal worst fear is watching a slow and painful wealth transfer via QE and taxation while all the preparations we've made are good for nothing since there is no true day of reckoning. I hope I'm wrong but with each passing day I feel less hopeful.

>>19742321
>>19742272
Next step is to fuse the eurozone and america. Creating a new money.

>>19742529
Nips are elfs, burgers are orks.

Burger politics is incapable of supporting a Japan style graceful decline.

>>19742321
>They have no more ammo in their guns
bears have been saying this since march
no wait, bears have been saying this since like 2009

if you believe the most powerful financial institution in the world has "no more ammo left", you are genuinely delusional. fucking cope.

>>19736237

Why is nobody ITT asking the most important question: When is FED gonna sell those?

>>19742349
Physical commodities are literally the only corner left not built on a bubble. Everything else is clown money and talmudic wind.
We are fucked on so many levels and dimensions thanks to (((them))).
The incoming great leap forward is their chance at whiping up 90% of the world pop. They are planning this since so long...

>>19742684
When did the fed sell all their toxic mortgages from 2008?

>>19742590
I feel like this might actually be true
t. a bear

>>19742691
Jehovists or not, since the industrial revolution started, it couldn't have been any other way. Capitalism has to go till the very end.

>>19737919
I bet Jreg lurks here.

>>19742749
They tried last year but the economy started crashing so they bottomed interest rates

>>19742763
yep, same finality, but with them it will just be more cruel.

>>19742763
I suggest we make Professor Malthus the new Fed chair when this is over, just to rub it in.

>>19736283
checked

>>19742758

same

>>19736283
based.

>>19735796
does this mean the bull market will persist forever and ever?

>>19736237
It means the Jews are entering their endgame.

>>19737794
True though, based neoliberals

>>19744154
Not the snow doggo :(

>>19737976
Well good if they print more money than a crypto cash-out becomes easier // I’ve been wondering about this problem lately...the amount of cash in dollars vs the dollar amount in a high $ crypto return; could this move be related?

>>19738060
based literal retard. you're skipping over the part where "liquidity issues" means noone wants to fucking lend to them because they can't afford to pay a suitable coupon for the risk the lender would be taking on. the REAL reason why the fed is stepping in like this is to directly buy up new corporate issues so that corporations can borrow cheap money as an insolvency life raft because they're so irresponsibly over-leveraged they can't survive an economic downturn. the secondary reason the fed is stepping in is to put an artificial cap on interest rates by punching down corporate bond rates by lending at a significant discount to rates normally set by the market.

we are going no holds barred zimbabwe. i have a mind to take out an enormous loan and buy up SPX, gold, and BTC. If I split them 33:33:33, one, if not all of them will 10x

>>19738732
>have you compared the pop pyramid in Japan vs USA
Have you compared the pop pyramid of Japan to the pop pyramid of White Americans? Protip: they're the same. Losing WW2 tends to have that effect on conquered populations.
>b-but White Americans won WW2
lol

>>19736237
Meme tier latin american economics

>>19736332
retard detected

>>19739448
>US elections cancelled
Yup, this is definitely a LARPer