/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>19209459

Pretty good since I’m not a boomer and need a crash to ever hope for a decent quality of life

>>19209459
Not good since I was one of those people warning everyone and still nobody fucking listened. Don’t get me wrong, this thing is killing people but millions have died to earn these rights and we’ve spent 100 years giving them away out of manufactured fear.

>>19209459
Eh, don’t really care, let it all burn.

>>19209459
Your death with be announced through a JPEG of a Facebook post and everyone will say you were probably fat or retarded.

>>19209459
>implying we would lock down because of a common cold

>>19209660
I know it sounds insane to every rational person like us, but that is literally what just happened.

sMOKing thESE mEAtS

I think it is hilarious. I am making money off this retardation anyways since the market is so volatile. Plus, I like watching the NPCs run around and panic, it is funny. It's like watching a dog chase its tail, only I actually like dogs.

>>19209728
or... this is not the common cold. because the common cold is a totally different species (well group of) of coronavirus genetically unrelated to sars-cov-2

>>19209459
If you didn't profit from this panic, you're a idiot either way.

>>19209761
They really need to let the kids go back to school

>>19209459

that's why it's specifically referred to as the "novel coronavirus" and not just generally as a coronavirus--- it poses hitherto unseen danger within that category.

Also remember that the people begging for the economy to reopen are the ones who benefit from everyone else working and are probably not put at risk at all. They're also the ones who need everyone else to believe that this is just a common cold. Remember that if you're not one of the parasites doing no real work--- capitalists or landlords--- you're one of the people being exploited who actually stand the best chance of dying in all this. And if you're one of the parasites, then fuck you--- you'll hang soon.

Have a little class consciousness

>>19209832
Haha Bernie lost faggot.

>>19209785
Still comparable to the common cold in severity of illness for the majority of the population.

>>19209832
>Also remember that the people begging for the economy to reopen are the ones who benefit from everyone else working and are probably not put at risk at all.
I dont know about that. The retards protesting at state capitals with their confederate flags & swastika signs sure seem like they're crying to go back to wagging because they need the money

>>19209907
but he minority (20%) is still enough many times over to completely crash the healthcare system if left unchecked, and survival rate of severe cases is very bad for now.

>>19209948
What is the figure of 20% and where is it coming from?

>>19209926

if you look closely they're all driving 50,000 new trucks it's an upper middle class protest they want their wage slaves to get back to work cutting their hair and making their food

>>19209948
also here is the thing. it's completely unnecesary to completely lock down the economy and daily life because of this virus. if we were better prepared for it (or something way worse) and didn't catch us with pants down simple precautions and available protective gear would have been enough to curb it and make it manageable. almost no country had enough masks and gloves and face shields and stuff for this crap. i have been using home sewn facemasks for weeks today was the first day i saw surgical masks in a shop (for exorbitant price).

so yeah could have been handled better if we as a civilization would have been better prepared with how out institutions designed including elderly homes prisons schools and hospitals and also workplaces. and if sufficient quantity of protective gear had been stockpiled both by the population and the states.

>>19210005
20% get sick enough to seek treatment about 40% of that require hospitalization and those put on a respirator like 17% almost surely die.

things will change significantly if either the antibodies or some better medicine will be available for giving a better fighting chance to sever cases and the most susceptible part of the population can be vaccinated.

i'm sure in 2-3 years we get there when this virus becomes basically the common cold.

>>19210085
what weeks it's been months no lol. it was around march when i started wearing facemask and stayed at home office.

>>19210135
Unless you are 80+ the death rate is essentially negligible. Basically anything will kill someone that old. Its a common cold, deal with it.

>>19210232
no it's not, don't be stupid. and you shouldn't be a super-carrier either assuming you don't even get sick enough to notice.

>>19209785
the clue is in the name brainlet
>covid-19
corona virus number 19

>>19210232
>a common cold
let's see if you can spot the common cold on that image

>>19209459
Boomer remover.

>>19209459
We have never been honest about what the real problem is. It isn't illness, health, etc. It's liability. Whose fault is it that someone got sick and died? Until we can figure that out, we'll never make progress.

>>19210313
basically what that picture tells somone that is not a total brainlet that the sars-cov-2 has potential to be more deadly then the spanish flu and it's way way way more dangerous than the common cold. but thankfully it's manageable enough.

>>19210330
the good old blame game. trump will say he makes china pay for it. it will be like the mexican wall.

>>19210070
Yeah, gonna call your bullshit. The people protesting are largely small business owners who are losing what they worked for for decades. They’re losing their livelihood, dumbshit.

Keep lapping up the lies sub-IQ NPCs. I won't wear mask. I won't hide inside. I won't give up my rights. I am not scared of a common cold.

>>19210135
I'm an icu nurse so I'm seeing this shit and treating. It's mostly ancient pieces of shit and morbidly obese niggers with all the comorbidities. For 99% of the population with any value as a human the risk is very near 0 from this thing. It is not worth shutting down the economy for people at the ends of their lives and welfare queens to fat to even reach their own ass if we just have to protect them me could set up dedicated detention facilities for the high risk groups and keep them under lockdown and it would still wind up being cheaper than a nationwide shutdown. Personally I think they should just self isolate if they are afraid of getting the just desserts. We have grocery delivery services, but as fat as they are they'd be fine just eating a multivitamin once a day with plenty of water with a little salt/potassium/magnesium added. Coronavirus doesn't kill, it's the sheer mass putting pressure on their lungs causing them to suffocate at the slightest little insult. A normal healthy person can shake off a temporary 25% reduction in respiratory function. The fat fucks are already short of breath and lungs working as best they can. When they get sick it's starts a precipitous series of reactions and their shit collapses. I'm seeing some vent settings as stupid as a peep of 19while prone and they still don't make it. They obviously don't care about their own health and well-being so why should we have to suffer just for a slight chance they might not catch it?

>>19210330
>It’s someone else’s responsibility to take care of your health

Retard detected.

Protip: you don’t want “experts” taking care of your health. I promise you it won’t end well.

>>19210232
Saying "covid is just a cold" is like saying the tiger in your backyard is just a cat.

There are many, many variations of coronaviruses, but the one that causes the common cold is completely different from this one, they're just in the same family of virus.

>>19210283
Close.

_CO_rona _VI_rus _D_isease, 20_19_.

>>19209459
What rights did prople throw away?

>>19210400
and you talk about value of lives. with that attitude you are the most worthless being in that hospital.

Threads like this only reassure me that we aren't going to make it in the slightest.

>>19210283
2019 anon.

My job wasn't effected somehow (trades, all on new construction industrial buildings), so I get to just work 40 hour weeks on empty jobsites with next to no supervision or people there. It's slowly getting back to normal, but the last couple months have been chill as fuck. Except for going to restaurants and the movies, my life hasn't really changed at all. I just got to shop in empty stores, not wait in lines at the vendor, drive as fast as I wanted because cops didn't give a fuck anymore about traffic stops, etc, it was pretty based desu. A few times I walked down the middle of usually busy streets because my city was a complete ghost town and I thought "why live life without whimsy?".

But that's from the perspective of someone who smelled something off from the beginning and didnt really change his life or isolate at all. Now that things are picking up again, these social distancing measures make every outdoor experience an absolute fucking nightmare. This better not be the new fucking normal like I keep hearing. The scary thing is there are hardly any examples in history where people had their rights "temporarily" taken away and then actually got them back.

>>19210419
Its a cold faggot. Stop believing the elites lies.

>>19210419
total worldwide deaths as percent of total pop
0.005%

that's 50% of 1% of 1%

>>19209459
and the retard of the day award goes to you anon!

>>19210380

>The people protesting are largely small business owners

and they need their slaves to get back to turning a profit for them so they can go back to playing golf, thanks for proving my point

>>19209459
Never let a good crisis go to waste. All this was so they could print trillions and no one questioning it.

>>19210538
Go back to /pol, faggot. It's not the cold, it's a unique strain of a virus. learn how viruses work. Do something useful for once in your life, instead of being a naive, gullible /poltard.

>>19210569
I didn't say a fucking thing about percentages, I stated that it's not the same strain of virus than the common cold, you pathetic failure of a neckbeard.

>>19210671
i didn't call you any names. why are you so angry when confronted with statistics?

1.3 million people die globally of car accidents every year.

but i don't hear any calls to self isolate from cars. and to move to a wholly public transport system. desu that's a great idea.

just give up and accept that this economic shutdown has down more harm than good. in 10 years history will write this down as one of the worst global policy mistakes ever.

>>19210400
I usually don't respect nurses. But you are based and red pilled.

Do you think the cucks that are advocating the destruction of personal freedoms and the economy for a virus that has the mortality rate of less then a percent of a percent like their onions chilled or room temperature?

>>19210456
Hospitals and the economy in general require money. Would you spend every last money you have to save an African child's life? It's an expensive treatment but it will allow it to live a whole additional 6 weeks. Let's assume you are a billionaire in this situation. Less extreme example, is it worth spending $500k to get another year of life for a quadriplegic? How about just 100k to patch up an ugly fat nigger on welfare? They might get 5 more years, the 100k comes from a combination of stealing from the hospital by not paying bills, and taxes pay the rest of the bills. Then they get the prescriptions filled on taxpayer money, then they don't take the pills and come back to the ED in two weeks for the same problem every two weeks for the next 5 years, all while living on food stamps, section 8, and other gibs.
You think it's cute and edgy to shit on public servants. I don't fully buy into the hero meme but Healthcare is hard work that goes unappreciated and a majority of our customers don't deserve to live. If you had even a room temp iq you'd be able to realize this intuitively. Human life has value, a very real value. A value that can be counted, quantified, and measured in dollars. Is it better to hurt a thousand good people in some small way, like losing their jobs, maybe they gev evicted or car repossessed, they might have to change their budgets up and eat lower quality food, they can't exercise or enjoy parks and recreational activities, that kind of thing. In exchange an obese drug addicted child abuser with 5 children from 8 different fathers(one miscarriage, one abortion, one beat to death) is able to continue their life for a little while longer.
You're a fucked up disgusting person who should be hanged in the streets if you support this senseless and extremely harmful lockdown over a very mild virus that very specifically selects for the very worst people in society.

>>19209831
Imagine all of the shitty parents that didn't want kids that are tearing their hair out right now having to spend 24/7 with their kids. Topkek

>>19210671
Why does a common cold make you so angry? Go back to your herd of scared sheep.

>>19210774

if only you knew how bad it really was. I missed a dip today because my kid took a shit and when I came back to my screen it was too late

>>19210400
Agree 100% with everything you said.

>>19210654
Fuck off shill. Read actual facts and statistics from medical journals, the CDC, etc and not from mainstream news.

>>19210719
and how many people drive cars, globally?

that 1.3m sure does seem insignificant now, doesn't it?

>>19210865
1.3 million PER YEAR - every year-
versus
300k for the flu-ver2019

1.3 million people is only 2% of 1% of global pop. highly insignificant.

my point is people should be more scared of cars.

>>19210441
>>19210521
nice try, it's 2020
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/coronaviridae
here's a list of the 18

>>19210719
I wasn't talking about statistics, that's why, you babbling waterhead neckbeard. You're "arguing" something I didn't fucking bring up, you mouth farting cunt.

>>19209832
Go back to plebbit you fucking commie retard. You're not going to revolution anything or put anyone up against the wall, quit larping. You probably don't even own any guns. Faggot.

>>19211220
your various replies imply that nuflu2019 is a disastrously fatal strain. this is of course demonstrably incorrect.

look see. i can be very civil on the internet. you should try it sometime.

you may find life easier to pass if every 3rd word you utter are not petty insults.

i translate the biggah wurds 4 u: KNOT SWEREING AT UTHER PINKKU TINGS MAEK SMUUTH BUHRAIN LESSING SMUUTH

>>19209660
But that is what happened

>>19209528
Can relate, feels bad man.

>>19210728
i just hope i never meet a piece of shit like you when me or my family has to go to a hospital.

>>19211422
nah, that's what brainlets believe happened. what actually happened is we got a sars 2 epidemic less lethal but more contagious.

>>19211826
I’d rather have that nurse than one of those stupid TikTok bitches

>>19211937
i would rather have medical professionals that care and respect human life and try to help instead of just writing you off like biological waste if they don't happen to approve of your lifestyle.

that guy should work the sewers not hospitals with that attitude. if some random hillbilly redneck voiced those opinions i would just say meh. a nurse playing scrooge mcduck on his patients... absolute human garbage.

>>19211843
Its literally what happened because gullible retards like you bought the lie. Its a common cold.

>>19209832
>the people begging for the economy to reopen are the ones who benefit from everyone else working and are probably not put at risk at all
A few days ago CBS reported that ~20,000 small businesses in NYC (restaurants, boutiques, etc.) would be closing permanently. Here's a list of some: https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-city/nyc-institutions-are-closing-permanently.html

>>19209500
When the crash comes, i will be long after you are dead that the 'quality' of life you refer to becomes real.
A long time after.

>>19210604
>Small business owners are slaveholders
What's it like being this young and retarded?

buy this goldstock. they will start production in december. high grade gold and alot of options for expansion. buy now don't be the sucker. this is a long play ( 3 years +). big institutional investors

>>19212049
He's right though. If you don't value your own life enough enough to not become morbidly obese, why should anyone else value that same life more? By being obese, you signal the low value of your existence to everyone around you. I'm sure many health professionals see it this way, but most do not voice this opinion for obvious reasons.

>>19211826
Is it because you are obese?

>>19211305

Aw the snowflake got triggered. Cute

>>19209832

Yes.

>>19209926
Yeah, that's kind of what I mean about class consciousness though. There are countless (if not hundreds of) millions of working class people in the states who have been made to believe that having businesses reopen is in their personal interest and is "right". They come to believe it because of a culture of "hustling for the american dream of making it" that is created and instilled in them by a tiny slice of wealthy people, precisely because it keeps workers working (chasing the carrot), with no actual reality of achieving it. It's ironic that these blue collar people fight so hard against their own class interests. In non-pandemic times these are the same working class people who believe in trickle-down economics.

This pandemic has been an incredible reminder for people who are paying attention that even when the country is locked down there is more than enough wealth still being generated to support us all, if wealth were fairly distributed. Pretty much all the billionaires have increased their wealth by many billions--- Bezos something like 25B. All the libertarians like >>19211305 are crying about muh socialism bad but the reality is that no reasonable person needs a billion dollars to themselves, in a sane society.

>>19209903

The funny thing is that I and many others I know of would rather vote for trump than Biden, and same in 2016 with hillary. Personally I think we need 4 more years of this absolutely chaotic shitshow of trump for the idiot Dems to realize that they can't keep running centrists to just get politics back to "the way it was," which is code for a way of life that benefits an increasingly small sliver of comfortable upper middle class people. Other people I know in the same position wanted Bernie in 2016 and ended voting Trump when hillary was nominated. They are just as embattled financially and were/are sick of politics and want something different.

The funnier thing is that some of Trumps policies especially since COVID are more to the left than many of the dems stances and policies. For one: fighting against globalism so American workers get jobs with 5x the pay of chinese workers and then we have to reckon with capitalism at home, and whether or not its sustainable. Remember that the Dems are basically just republicans who want more gay black hedge fund managers. They are what in the rest of the world are center-right politics.

>>19209459
If you think that intelligence agencies weren't aware of the virus and its potential threat months ago, you're a dummy.

The reason that the US got hit so hard is because preventative measures were not taken in advance. We didn't send people to Wuhan until it was too late, our communication and collaboration with other countries was extremely poor, and our initial responses and tracking were nearly non-existent.

The people in charge did nearly nothing that they should have from the start and did everything they could to use the epidemic as a political agenda. This isn't incompetence, it's malicious intent. We're forced to open back up now, despite still barely having control, because we didn't take proper measures when we should have and are too far in the hole not to. The country literally cannot afford to cut off business for another 2 weeks.

None of this would have happened under a competent and less-corrupt administration. This isn't a partisan issue, it's an issue of utter corruption at the highest levels and a lackadaisical attitude towards doing the right thing, rather than doing what is most profitable for the top echelons. This isn't a political issue, it's an issue with people not realizing just how bad things have gotten.

Wake the fuck up. Whoever you are, wake the fuck up. The whole country needs to wake the fuck up and stop buying into the bullshit. Realize that we've all been had. Realize that a dangerous natural-disaster just swept through the nation due to malicious incompetence so that it could be used to further the political and fiscal agendas of a bunch of greedy cocksuckers who own you and everything you know.

The nothingburgers' cope driven by normalcy bias is astounding in this thread, like this one
>>19210964
Absolutely stellar comparison, now just think about the following for a second:
300k Covid deaths in 4 months vs 1.3m car deaths in 12 months
75k dead / month for corona, 108k dead / month for cars
Yes I guess you could say cars are deadlier if you completely ignore the fact that cars are going 24/7/365, on the other hand corona produced that death toll while we essentially stopped the globe and JUSTed the economy just to reduce it.
And this is not factoring in countries lying about their deaths, just look at Russia's death count while being the 2nd in number of cases, plus being a cold country, or Florida attempting to manipulate numbers in favor reopening because they were so bad.
Face it, this is unknown territory, it's nowhere near fair to compare it to common colds or car deaths.

>>19213964
>ignore the fact that cars are going 24/7/365
because pathogens take breaks huh
>corona produced that death toll while we essentially stopped the globe and JUSTed the economy just to reduce it.
statistical tampering of proximal causes of deaths versus looking at comorbidities
> nowhere near fair to compare it to common colds or car deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic
we didn't shut down the economy that time. and looks like we'll be achieving the same total deaths regardless.

>>19209459
How does it feel being a pseudo intellect trump supporter?

>>19214418
A lot better than being a crying faggot when Trump gets reelected.

>>19213757

is this copypasta? it should be

>>19209540
in an unfortunate twist of lack of irony, he probably is fat and retarded.

>>19213449
>please stay locked down and allow all plebs to remain poor.
Die worthless scum

>>19213964
If anything, deaths are being manipulated because they are wildly exaggerated.
>look this guy with chronic congestive heart failure, diabetes, cancer, aids, and addiction to heroine just died and he happened to have the virus.
>covid-19 death

>>19210232
25% of deaths are younger than 65 years old. Don’t listen to this liar.

>>19214748
Not even remotely close. Stop spreading hysteria.

>>19210070
I don’t care about the economy as much as the power creep of government. Going forward they can shut down for anything they deem as threatening enough and strip our rights on the whim of the powerful. If that doesn’t concern you, you just aren’t a student of history.

>>19214842

I hear you but since when could they not do that, it was already a police surveillance state especially since 2001

We need to start mask shaming idiots wearing masks in public. People are even wearing masks while fucking jogging outside.

>>19210728
When I realized the same thing I changed profession. How the hell do you still work as a nurse and think like this without going insane?

>>19210313
This image is good but that range can be tightened up at this point. We know mortality is at most ~0.3% and R0 is estimates around 5.7. Unironically don't think it has the potential to to explode with current metrics, even with all the data fudging that went on. pic related.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number#meaning

>>19216139
sry did a brain fart and drew mortality instead of fatality. fixt.